Don't buy Rossi's
Ted J Wiegandt
Well it is buying time again and I thought I'd just pass on some
info. I broke two pair of rossi 7XK's last yaer and rossi
screwed me over on both pair. The first pair broke at Crested
Butte over turkey day break. The core of the ski completely
dissintigrated between the bindings. The skis were only 9
months old(under waranty) and rossi refused to cover them saying
I must have abused them in order to break them. I had to pay
$205 that I didn't have to get a new pair. And this was only
after 5 weeks of arguing and missed skiing. The new pair broke
the exact same way on my third day of midwest skiing. All rossi
would do is remate the unbroken ski.
I work in a ski shop and this is how they treat me. Just think
of how they will treat you. I have friends in the east and in
the Rockies who have had similar problems. So save yourself a
big headache and buy a different brand of skis.
PS I have a pair of 208 7XK's for sale for kindling if anyone
needs then. I don't know how well foam core burns though.
Ted Wiegandt
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te...@iastate.edu
John Oxley
Do you think it might have been a defective batch of skiis that you
bought from. I am planning on buying a pair of the 7SKs as I really
enjoyed them when I demoed them. Ideas?
John Oxley
jox...@bnr.ca
Dave Dorfman - New England SE
;>
;>Well it is buying time again and I thought I'd just pass on some
;>info. I broke two pair of rossi 7XK's last yaer and rossi
;>screwed me over on both pair. The first pair broke at Crested
;>Butte over turkey day break. The core of the ski completely
;>dissintigrated between the bindings. The skis were only 9
;>months old(under waranty) and rossi refused to cover them saying
;>I must have abused them in order to break them. I had to pay
;>$205 that I didn't have to get a new pair. And this was only
;>after 5 weeks of arguing and missed skiing. The new pair broke
;>the exact same way on my third day of midwest skiing. All rossi
;>would do is remate the unbroken ski.
;>I work in a ski shop and this is how they treat me. Just think
;>of how they will treat you. I have friends in the east and in
;>the Rockies who have had similar problems. So save yourself a
;>big headache and buy a different brand of skis.
Compare the above story to how I have been treated by ATOMIC. I have been skiing
on ATOMIC's for over 10 years during that time they have replaced or matched 6
pairs of skiis for a sum total of 75.00. Their support is great and timely and
they never question you on what you think happened to the ski. During this
same period I have purchased or been given 6 new pairs of skiis. I am sure they
are still making money even giving me the 2 for 1 specials.
I am 6'2" tall and weigh 215 so I am hard on Skiis and I would never try any
other ski then ATOMIC due to the loyalty they have shown to me as a customer.
Dave Dorfman
Martin Pietruszka
A similar thing happened to a friend of mine last year. His binding came
right out of one of his Rossignol skis (also 7XK's I believe) while he was
in the bumps. Sounds to me like the area under the boot is pretty weak.
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Xavier Martin
All other things equal, I'd rather have skis that ski well where they are
supposed to and also do well in the bumps. That said, the 7XK is a giant
slalom ski. Designed to give lateral stability at moderate to high speeds
and to allow smooth medium radius turns. _Not_ intended primarily as a
bumps ski, though so much the better if it holds well there. Ever tried
downhill or super G skis in the bumps? You get the idea. If bump is
going to be your main fare, why buy a giant slalom racing ski in the
first place?
I am light and like a stable GS ski. The 7XK gives me that feature
more than any of the alternatives discussed so far. More than any other
ski I know, in fact. Now when the racing is over I don't take my racing
skis into the bumps. They are not designed for that.
There's a tradeoff in everything.
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Patrick Chase
|> In article <39tj74$o...@news.iastate.edu>, te...@iastate.edu (Ted J
|> Wiegandt) wrote:
|> > Well it is buying time again and I thought I'd just pass on some
|> > info. I broke two pair of rossi 7XK's last yaer and rossi
|> > screwed me over on both pair. The first pair broke at Crested
|> > Butte over turkey day break. The core of the ski completely
|> > dissintigrated between the bindings. The skis were only 9
|> > months old(under waranty) and rossi refused to cover them saying
|> > I must have abused them in order to break them. I had to pay
|> > $205 that I didn't have to get a new pair. And this was only
|> > after 5 weeks of arguing and missed skiing. The new pair broke
|> > the exact same way on my third day of midwest skiing. All rossi
|> > would do is remate the unbroken ski.
|>
|> Do you think it might have been a defective batch of skiis that you
|> bought from. I am planning on buying a pair of the 7SKs as I really
|> enjoyed them when I demoed them. Ideas?
From my own experience, Rossi skis are a bad call if you're a heavy,
aggressive skier. A lot of people, including myself, have had problems
with binding toepieces pulling out of Rossis. In addition, they're foam
core skis - a heavy skier riding them hard will cause the core to break
down, often in as little as a season (in the case of my old 4Ms and 7Ms).
The result is loss of flex and camber. If you're big and you use your skis
hard get a good wood-core design, like a K2.
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Cyrus Hay
>Well it is buying time again and I thought I'd just pass on some
>info. I broke two pair of rossi 7XK's last yaer and rossi
>screwed me over on both pair. The first pair broke at Crested
>Butte over turkey day break. The core of the ski completely
>dissintigrated between the bindings. The skis were only 9
>months old(under waranty) and rossi refused to cover them saying
>I must have abused them in order to break them. I had to pay
>$205 that I didn't have to get a new pair. And this was only
>after 5 weeks of arguing and missed skiing. The new pair broke
>the exact same way on my third day of midwest skiing. All rossi
>would do is remate the unbroken ski.
Yeah, I don't think I'll be buying Rossignol (skis, at least) any
time soon. My personal experience is that they are not a very
durable ski - lots of problems keeping my 7Ss together last year.
Still I got ~80 days on them before they needed to be retired, which
I consider to be at the bottom end of the acceptable range.
Several friends have had more blatant problems with their Rossis.
Like an edge and base collapsing into the core after nicking a rock
at low speed within the first minute that these 4SVs were skied on
(at least the store was nice and replaced them no charge.)
>I work in a ski shop and this is how they treat me. Just think
>of how they will treat you. I have friends in the east and in
>the Rockies who have had similar problems. So save yourself a
>big headache and buy a different brand of skis.
Working in a shop I'm surprised that you would seriously consider
Rossis. Good discount from the rep, I guess.
Ski manufacturers love to tout every whizzy feature of their ski yet
rarely mention the material their core is made from. I was glad to
see that POWDER indicated the core type on every ski they reviewed
this year. Is it a coincidence that Rossignol is the _only_ major
manufacturer who is still making their entire line of skis with foam
cores? Yep, everyone else is producing wood core (or something
besides foam) for at least their higher-end skis.
As other posters have replied, Atomic and K2 have a good long-term
reliability record and, from the anecdotes I've heard, both stand by
their products. I read something (I think in the WSJ) about how K2
was bending over backwards on customer service in order to push
themselves into the #1 sales position.
And John Oxley writes:
> Do you think it might have been a defective batch of skiis that you
>bought from. I am planning on buying a pair of the 7SKs as I really
>enjoyed them when I demoed them. Ideas?
And Xavier Martin writes:
>All other things equal, I'd rather have skis that ski well where they are
>supposed to and also do well in the bumps. That said, the 7XK is a giant
>slalom ski.
>:
>:
>Now when the racing is over I don't take my racing
>skis into the bumps. They are not designed for that.
Hey guys - nobody is claiming that Rossis aren't a good performing ski.
They are. They just aren't very reliable/durable.
>There's a tradeoff in everything.
Wrong. You CAN make a durable ski, SL, GS, whatever without trading
off performance. Of course, making better skis usually costs the
manufacture more, BUT over the long term it costs you less because
you don't need to buy a new pair of skis every other season.
Reliability is probably the most overlooked, underrated feature
of skis today. It is also one of the biggest differentiators.
Ciao.
-Cy
Peter Hoegel Jr.
>Wrong. You CAN make a durable ski, SL, GS, whatever without trading
>off performance. Of course, making better skis usually costs the
>manufacture more, BUT over the long term it costs you less because
>you don't need to buy a new pair of skis every other season.
>Reliability is probably the most overlooked, underrated feature
>of skis today. It is also one of the biggest differentiators.
Excellent point (and the reason I'm *very* hesitant to buy a non-wood or steel
core ski). Unfortunately, it's a quality that's almost impossible for a
magazine to measure, particularly when the press stesses skis that are the
absolute latest models. Maybe long-term tests could be done on some popular
makes, just like car mags do.
Peter
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-Matt Johnson
Danny
>From my own experience, Rossi skis are a bad call if you're a heavy,
>aggressive skier. A lot of people, including myself, have had problems
>with binding toepieces pulling out of Rossis. In addition, they're foam
>core skis - a heavy skier riding them hard will cause the core to break
>down, often in as little as a season (in the case of my old 4Ms and 7Ms).
>The result is loss of flex and camber. If you're big and you use your skis
>hard get a good wood-core design, like a K2.
I guess Alberto Tomba is really very lightweight, and pampers his skis..NOT!
I don't know what kind of Rossi you're talking about, but the XK's are
the best in the market. and please, the XK is in a different league
than any of your K2's ... don't compare them.
Danny.
.
Fernando Pereira
: In article <3a03b6...@hpsdlss3.sdd.hp.com>,
Sure, but I somehow doubt that he needs to worry about the durability
of his skis. He can ride them harder than anyone, a new pair (or
several) will probably be ready for him for the next one, unless
Rossi's marketing department is totally incompetent.
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Murray Hill, NJ 07974-0636
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Hugh Grierson
>>core skis - a heavy skier riding them hard will cause the core to break
>>down, often in as little as a season (in the case of my old 4Ms and 7Ms).
>I guess Alberto Tomba is really very lightweight, and pampers his skis..NOT!
Tomba skis on wood core race stock skis. Different things altogether.
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Stuart Lawrence Friedman
>I guess Alberto Tomba is really very lightweight, and pampers his skis..NOT!
>I don't know what kind of Rossi you're talking about, but the XK's are
>the best in the market. and please, the XK is in a different league
>than any of your K2's ... don't compare them.
>
If you think Alberto Tomba skiis on anything remotely related to a Rossi
that you can buy in a ski shop, you are sadly mistaken.
stuart.
>Danny.
>
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Andy Mason
> uses the "exact same ski". The odds are very high that they don't use anything
> even close. Also, unless you're near that competitor's level of strength and
This is half true in the case of Dynastar, in fact their top four
racers (Moe, Girardelli, Aamodt, some other guy) have their own skis
made, with different flex, etc. But the Vertical Assault's that
Jean-Luc won on are the EXACT same ones that you can buy in yer local
shop.
Andy.
Crispin Cowan
>Ski manufacturers love to tout every whizzy feature of their ski yet
>rarely mention the material their core is made from. I was glad to
>see that POWDER indicated the core type on every ski they reviewed
>this year. Is it a coincidence that Rossignol is the _only_ major
>manufacturer who is still making their entire line of skis with foam
>cores? Yep, everyone else is producing wood core (or something
>besides foam) for at least their higher-end skis.
How interesting. I think Rossi has a fetish about foam core. In the
snowboard-business, foam-core is considered to be low-end trash, and
vertically laminated wood is the rule. Rossi, however, makes their
entire line with foam cores, and has sucky durability as a result.
Crispin
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Patrick Chase
Two observations:
1.) When I demoed the 7XK, I thought it was an awesome ski, though whether or
not it's the "best in the market" is IMHO an issue of personal taste
style - I happen to like a nice, damp wood core in a GS board. Given
my prior experience with foam-core Rossi's, I also doubt that it would
stay awesome for very long when skied by someone of my weight and
aggressiveness. Alberto doesn't care about this issue - the Rossi reps
are more than happy to give him a new pair of skis before every race.
2.) I really doubt that the ski Tomba uses has much in common with the 7XK
I demo'd except for the graphics on the topskin. Racers on the lower
amateur and masters circuits can get "race stock" boards which differ
considerably from what you or I can buy in the shop. The skis used
by World Cup racers differ further still. Given Tomba's weight and
style, I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that he's got wood
cores in those "7XK's" of his.
#define on_high_pulpit
In general, it's not a smart call to buy a given ski because a top competitor
uses the "exact same ski". The odds are very high that they don't use anything
even close. Also, unless you're near that competitor's level of strength and
proficiency, the odds are equally high that you wouldn't be able to handle the
ski that they really do use anyway. Tomba is as heavy as he is at least in
part because he's got a massively strong lower/mid body. His technique has
evolved to take advantage of this strength, and it's a good bet that his ski
has been similarly optimized. Finally, competitors make one run (or two, in SL
and GS) that actually counts. They therefore don't need to worry about ski
longevity (so long as it always lasts for at least 120 sec. :), and they don't
need a ski that they can handle all day long.
#undefine on_high_pulpit
chris holmes
> >Reliability is probably the most overlooked, underrated feature
> >of skis today. It is also one of the biggest differentiators.
Want reliability- Don't buy rossi
-Don't buy slaloman
-Don't buy volant if you really like bumps
-DO BUY ELAN they will last a long time
-Problem if you are used to warrentying
product at the end of every season
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Andy Mason
> Ski manufacturers love to tout every whizzy feature of their ski yet
> rarely mention the material their core is made from. I was glad to
> see that POWDER indicated the core type on every ski they reviewed
> this year. Is it a coincidence that Rossignol is the _only_ major
> manufacturer who is still making their entire line of skis with foam
> cores? Yep, everyone else is producing wood core (or something
> besides foam) for at least their higher-end skis.
However, you should be aware that ACRYLIC foam, not polyurethane foam
(as used in most beginner skis) is 4 X as expensive as wood as a core
material. Dynastar Vertical Assault's, for example, use it, and I
have a friend who has broken every pair of skis he has had in the past
ten yrs. _except_ these. 220 lbs. serious mogul skier.
> As other posters have replied, Atomic and K2 have a good long-term
> reliability record and, from the anecdotes I've heard, both stand by
> their products. I read something (I think in the WSJ) about how K2
> was bending over backwards on customer service in order to push
> themselves into the #1 sales position.
I just got my 5th warranty pair of K2's in 5 years. Grand total cost:
$0. Great warranty if you ask me (and boy are they pretty).
Andy.
James J Reinle
who has had five pairs of K2 skis replace under warranty, in five
years. It's nice that K2 honors their warranties so well, but
what does breaking that many pairs in such a short time, say about
the quality of the skis.
I have skied on a pair of Olin markVI comp sls for, it must be
10 years(I'm not sure, I bought them the last year they were made),
and I have never had a problem with them. I am an expert skier, who
skis some of the roughest, fastest, trails in the east. These skis
have been through icy moguls, slammed hard off many a jump, and
lived through many a highspeed wipeout.
Even if a ski is replaced under warranty, I can't imagine having
your ski day cut short by a broken ski, is very pleasant.
JJR
Andy Mason
> I have to laugh when I see posts like the one about a guy
> who has had five pairs of K2 skis replace under warranty, in five
> years. It's nice that K2 honors their warranties so well, but
> what does breaking that many pairs in such a short time, say about
> the quality of the skis.
> I have skied on a pair of Olin markVI comp sls for, it must be
> 10 years(I'm not sure, I bought them the last year they were made),
> and I have never had a problem with them. I am an expert skier, who
First of all, Olin and K2 are made in the same factory, not a very
good basis for comparison.
Last year, in about march, the tails of my skis delaminated, and I
showed them to the rep, glued them back together, and skied on them
for the rest of the season. Over the summer, I sent them back to teh
distributor, and they sent me a brand new, shiny, no 4" holes in the
base, free skis. Definitely worth my while.
Andy.
Wataru Hasegawa
>
>In article <danyCz4...@netcom.com> da...@netcom.com (Danny) writes:
>>>From my own experience, Rossi skis are a bad call if you're a heavy,
>>>aggressive skier. [...] In addition, they're foam
>>>core skis - a heavy skier riding them hard will cause the core to break
>>>down, often in as little as a season (in the case of my old 4Ms and 7Ms).
>...
>>I guess Alberto Tomba is really very lightweight, and pampers his skis..NOT!
>
>Tomba skis on wood core race stock skis. Different things altogether.
>
Really??????
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JOEL MADRIGAL
>From: cri...@csd.uwo.ca (Crispin Cowan)
>Subject: Re: Don't buy Rossi's
>Date: 13 Nov 1994 23:19:32 GMT
>In article <Cz4p8...@cup.hp.com>, Cyrus Hay <c...@cup.hp.com> wrote:
>>Ski manufacturers love to tout every whizzy feature of their ski yet
>>rarely mention the material their core is made from. I was glad to
>>see that POWDER indicated the core type on every ski they reviewed
>>this year. Is it a coincidence that Rossignol is the _only_ major
>>manufacturer who is still making their entire line of skis with foam
>>cores? Yep, everyone else is producing wood core (or something
>>besides foam) for at least their higher-end skis.
>How interesting. I think Rossi has a fetish about foam core. In the
>snowboard-business, foam-core is considered to be low-end trash, and
>vertically laminated wood is the rule. Rossi, however, makes their
>entire line with foam cores, and has sucky durability as a result.
Wrong! Check out the specs on the Seone. The core is mixed wood/microcell
urethane (mostly wood, check out the cross-section on the Rossi catalog).
This makes it springy and durable. I bought one and it's holding up great.
If it doesn't last I'll let you know, but so far, it's the best board I've
ever ridden. If you have the chance, you should demo one and decide for
yourselves, but until then, make sure you know the facts before posting such a
blanket statement (entire line with foam cores?).
BTW, Mt. Hood meadows had 42 inches as of Saturday, the funnest day of my life.
Joel
Arjun V. Chatterjee
that Rossignol rep treated your sister or mother. That must have been
a long time ago, so lighten up.
Now that your glasses are taped back up, look at what the world cup
circuit racers ride...thats right...overwhelmingly ROSSIGNOL!!!
now I know youre going to be whining about them getting them for free,
but at that level, they can get anything for free...even blowjobs.
So pucker up buttercup, and realize that Rossignol sales dominate
the market. When that happens, it means people like Rossignol, and
it leaves you a pathetic, marginalized, wimp who has a personal
agenda to satisfy.
So click into a pair of 7XK's with a pair of race boots on, and try as best you can to handle the ride. And if you feel really ballsy (which for some reason
I doubt) try a pair of 7SK's or SG's or DH's.
Later dudes...Rossi Rules ...and isn't that something on your shirt Sherman?
GO BIG, OR DON'T GO!!!
DriscollO
jmad...@orglobe.intel.com (JOEL MADRIGAL) writes: BLAH BLAH ETC.
I have had a pair of the old teal colored 7SK's for i think five seasons
now. loved them. Last year I sent them back to Rossi and for $60.00
they put new tops on them, worked the bases, and tuned. I then gave them
to my 16 year old son and now he loves them. I'm a 190# er.
I like Rossi and their people. Will buy more.
James J Reinle
back then* , but the point is, if you break skis all the time,
wouldn't it make sense to try out a different brand, unless of
course you always bring an extra pair with you, so if one breaks,
you don't have to head home.
* (If they were, they must have been making better skis back then)
JJR
ba...@red.seas.upenn.edu
: In article <jmadriga.2...@orglobe.intel.com>,
: jmad...@orglobe.intel.com (JOEL MADRIGAL) writes: BLAH BLAH ETC.
: I have had a pair of the old teal colored 7SK's for i think five seasons
: now. loved them. Last year I sent them back to Rossi and for $60.00
: they put new tops on them, worked the bases, and tuned. I then gave them
: to my 16 year old son and now he loves them. I'm a 190# er.
I have a pair of those skis, too. I got them 4 years ago, but they're still
going strong. Granted, I'm only 150 lbs, so maybe that has something to do
with it.
eric
ba...@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
MICHAEL LIEBREICH
>I guess Alberto Tomba is really very lightweight, and pampers his skis..
NOT!
>I don't know what kind of Rossi you're talking about...
Do you really think Tomba was worried about the durability of his skis?
He certainly never had to argue with a rep to get a replacement pair.
Also his skis probably bear as much resemblance to the ones you can buy
in the shops as a street car to an Indie car.
Having said all that, I have skied for over twenty years mainly on
Rossis, and apart from the green meanie 7Ss, which used to bend like
reeds in the wind, I have found them a very reliable ski. I am not the
heaviest skier, but pretty aggressive in the bumps.
MICHAEL LIEBREICH QJP...@prodigy.com
Author, The Complete Skier, BBC Books, 1993
MICHAEL LIEBREICH
>I guess Alberto Tomba is really very lightweight, and pampers his skis..
NOT!
steve c martindell
: back then* , but the point is, if you break skis all the time,
I believe the markVI was made prior to K2 purchasing the Olin company.
georgef
> >
> If you think Alberto Tomba skiis on anything remotely related to a Rossi
> that you can buy in a ski shop, you are sadly mistaken.
White top, black lettering, Rossignol badge...
Now here is a question for you--which skis sold at retail are most
closely related (by on snow performance vs. in the lift line optics) to the
skis the manufacturer
gives to the technicians that prepare the skis for the likes of Tomba?
If the answer is identical; they just weren't chosen which mfgs are the
easiest to set up without the aid of a Formula 1 bevel and wax selection
committee?
James Sebastian Cornthwaite
>I had Rossi ST Comps, then Rossi 3Gs. Both were very durable
>and great skiing. I think its a good product.
I say Pieces of @#!!@. My friend took a pair of BRAND NEW Rossignols
off a 15 foot cliff and they got cracks across the ski centre. Yeah
these are definitely the skis to buy!! NOT.
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Seth Masia
>I say Pieces of @#!!@. My friend took a pair of BRAND NEW Rossignols
>off a 15 foot cliff and they got cracks across the ski centre. Yeah
>these are definitely the skis to buy!! NOT.
down, which can generate up to 8 G at the tip. Any adolescent landing on
his ski tails on hard snow will eventually break the skis. Good skiers
don't usually ski this way.
===========Seth @ SKI/Boulder===========
David Garr
: I'll say this again: What usually breaks skis is slapping the shovels
: down, which can generate up to 8 G at the tip. Any adolescent landing on
: his ski tails on hard snow will eventually break the skis. Good skiers
: don't usually ski this way.
Luckily, when I broke my K2's the store gave me in store credit for full
retail even though I'd bought them two years earlier at a ski swap
there (they knew it, too). That $350 made buying a $500 pair of skis
real easy!
Mike_Boyd
>l...@nic.cerf.net (John Liu) writes:
>>I had Rossi ST Comps, then Rossi 3Gs. Both were very durable
>>and great skiing. I think its a good product.
>I say Pieces of @#!!@. My friend took a pair of BRAND NEW Rossignols
>off a 15 foot cliff and they got cracks across the ski centre. Yeah
>these are definitely the skis to buy!! NOT.
Wow, dude! Like almost the same exact thing happemed to me. Except it was like
after skiing, and we like went back to the parking lot, ya know, and put our
gear down and like sat in the car for a while and drank some beers, and like
turned the stereo up really loud, so like everyone else could dig the new
Megadeath tape, ya know? And then, we like drank some more beers, and then, I
started the car, and backed out, ya know, cause we had to go get some more
beer, but like I forgot the skis and stuff were on the ground behind the car,
and we like ran over them. Except, like, when I heard the crunch, I stopped
really fast, so we only like ran over them with the back wheels. But then, I
like pulled back into the parking space, like to see what the noise was, ya
know, and ran over them again. So like the skis and stuff were like totally
fucked, ya know? So I like took them back to the ski shop the next day, and
like the sales dude says, no way dude, like Rossi won't cover like tire tread
damage and stuff. And the same thing with the poles. If you like get a tiny
little bend in your poles from like running over them with your Jeep
Wrangler, like the high and mighty Scott Pole Company says too bad, dude,
that ain't our fault. So like don't buy Scott pole either. I don't get it, it
was an accident, not like I did something stupid like jump off a cliff or
something on purpose, ya know?
Mark A. Scarton
|> >and great skiing. I think its a good product.
|>
|> I say Pieces of @#!!@. My friend took a pair of BRAND NEW Rossignols
|> off a 15 foot cliff and they got cracks across the ski centre. Yeah
|> these are definitely the skis to buy!! NOT.
I have to sadly admit that my experience with Rossi's skis have turned
sour as well. I've skied Rossi's since the Strato line was introduced. A
great performer, quite lively and capable of storing and re-releasing its
energy. With the 7 series, though, things seem to have gone down hill. ;-)
The bases were ripping up with the least little rock encounter, and I
de-edged large sections (8-15 inches). Over a period of 20 days, the skis
were absolutely ruined. I replaced them with a pair of (pro-form) Pre's
and had none of these problems, skiing the same runs in the same conditions.
The local techs indicate that they have had similar problems with Rossi's
over the past several years; weak and thin bases.
I'm afraid that the 7G's will be my last pair. That's too bad...I love
the quickness and feel of the Rossi GS skis, but I'm not sponsored and
I can't afford the constant up-keep and replacement costs. I've had
no similar problems with my Pre, Voliant, or Solomon skis. And my
Olin's are still going strong after 20 years of use (~10x per year).
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Grit9646
forginving stuff. If the cliff was at Alta a week ago you probably just
wish you could ski like that...but, if the cliff was at Hunter Mt. in NY
over MLK weekend then maybe you are on to something with your reply.
James Sebastian Cornthwaite
Maybe landing in hard snow.... but powder??????? He's not just any
adolescent, and he's on the racing team. He does know what he's
doing.. just cause he breaks a pair of skis doesn't make him a bad skiier.
Coupdevill
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Makes you wonder though !
spv
Mark Day
>I'll say this again: What usually breaks skis is slapping the shovels
>down, which can generate up to 8 G at the tip. Any adolescent landing on
>his ski tails on hard snow will eventually break the skis.
I guess this just proves my theory that I wasn't just *any* adolescent,
'cause my skis suffered through many a tail first touch down with nary a
crack. Of course I did bend a pair of Head Standards, but that was the
fault of my "safety straps".
"You *really* think it's idiot proof? Someone go get Mark."
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Dept. of Pharmaceutical Chemistry md...@picasso.ucsf.edu
University of California, San Francisco
(415) 476-1068
TCross1
STSs were pigs, as were the 3Gs. I bent the shovel of my 3Gs in a MILD
trough, and my 7SKs (for sale) are quick but lifeless. By contrast, I
still use my Stratos, and they still have all of their camber. I skiied
my ST Comps (halloween cosmetics) for 18 years before one finally cracked.
They were the best skis I've ever had, and the closest replacment I've
found are the Volkl Zebra S. Does anyone have a single (or pair) of 207
STs they're willing to part with?