Atomic ski info needed
Andre Boucher
I am about to buy a new set of Atomic Beta Carv 8.22 with binding model 311.
On the Atomic website, there is no 8.22 model. There is 8.18 and 8.18w.
Also, I can only find binding modem 310 on this 8 serie.
Why isn't this equipment on the Atomic website. Is it old ? Is it
because I am in Canada ?
I can get this set for 400$CDN (250US$). Is it a good deal ?
Many thanks.
Mary Malmros
> Hi,
>
> I am about to buy a new set of Atomic Beta Carv 8.22 with binding model 311.
>
> On the Atomic website, there is no 8.22 model. There is 8.18 and 8.18w.
> Also, I can only find binding modem 310 on this 8 serie.
>
> Why isn't this equipment on the Atomic website. Is it old ? Is it
> because I am in Canada ?
Or something like that. It may be a Euro model -- I saw a couple
folks with some Atomics I'd never seen up at Mount Snow about a
month ago. Turned out it was a model they sort of released in
Europe but not in North America.
> I can get this set for 400$CDN (250US$). Is it a good deal ?
Yes, if it's the ski you want. Based on your post, though, I'd
guess you haven't skied on them before. If you've skied on a
comparable Atomic model and liked 'em -- something with a similar
flex, sidecut and construction -- it's probably a reasonable gamble
to take, but if you haven't, I'd highly recommend it.
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Mary Malmros mal...@shore.net
Some days you're the windshield,
Other days you're the bug.
Chuck Diggs
model number gets higher, i.e. 8<9<10. The ".22" refers to the arc the
ski can carve measured in meters. "22" is a GS ski which should be a
good cruiser, but won't make sharp turns. World Cup slalom skis have a
"12" designation, I think. I ski a 9.18- model 9 with 18 meter radius
arc and I love them. Paid $380 (U.S.) with bindings for last year's
model at Gart Sports in Vail.
Chuck Diggs
model number gets higher, i.e. 8<9<10. The ".22" refers to the arc the
ski can carve measured in meters. "22" is a GS ski which should be a
good cruiser, but won't make sharp turns. World Cup slalom skis have a
"12" designation, I think. I ski a 9.18- model 9 with 18 meter radius
arc and I love them. Paid $380 (U.S.) with bindings for last year's
model at Gart Sports in Vail.
John Moore
> The model "8" is a softer flexing ski. The ski gets stiffer as the
> model number gets higher, i.e. 8<9<10. The ".22" refers to the arc the
> ski can carve measured in meters. "22" is a GS ski which should be a
> good cruiser, but won't make sharp turns.
When you say "won't make sharp turns", what exactly do you mean? At all, or not without some extra effort? I ask because I have
9.22's which are pitched around midway in the Atomic range, and are reckoned to be a good all round compromise. The Atomic
numbering scheme isn't as clear cut as it might be. After all, besides the questions of stiffness and turn arc, there is
clearly something else as well, distinguishing the Beta Ride, Beta Carv and Beta Race families (and there used to be a Beta
Cruise as well). Any idea what it is?
John
John Moore
> Yes, if it's the ski you want. Based on your post, though, I'd
> guess you haven't skied on them before. If you've skied on a
> comparable Atomic model and liked 'em -- something with a similar
> flex, sidecut and construction -- it's probably a reasonable gamble
> to take, but if you haven't, I'd highly recommend it.
What I did last year was to spend a day trying out some demo skis at the resort (Northstar at Tahoe). I really liked the Atomic
9.22's (meaning that suddenly my skiing improved a couple of notches and stuff which scared me before now brought a smile to my
face). In the evening I drove to a store which sold ex-rentals from the year before and found a pair of 9.22's in good
condition, with just marks to the top but bases and edges all intact, and bought them at some ridiculous giveaway price which I
can't remember ($150?). Superb bargain, I felt. Sure, they weren't this year's model, but they skied pretty much the same.
John
Dragan Cvetkovic
> Hi,
>
> I am about to buy a new set of Atomic Beta Carv 8.22 with binding model 311.
>
> On the Atomic website, there is no 8.22 model. There is 8.18 and
> 8.18w. Also, I can only find binding modem 310 on this 8 serie.
>
> Why isn't this equipment on the Atomic website. Is it old ? Is it because
> I am in Canada ?
Are you buying from SportCheck? They have some weird models of skis (e.g
Head skis they have are i130 and i150 whereas everybody else sells i140 and
i160, and there are a lot of other examples -- last year when everybody
else was selling x20, x40, x60 and x80, they were selling x30, x50, x70
Head skis). When questioning one of the salesperson about it (a tactics of
mine to get rid of them when I am just browsing and don't want them
around), he said that these are made specially for their shops, but he is
not sure about it. Highly doubtful.
Bye, Dragan
--
Dragan Cvetkovic,
To be or not to be is true. G. Boole No it isn't. L. E. J. Brouwer
Mary Malmros
Well, construction -- and it changes some every year, as they tweak
the betas. The numbers should give you some idea about relative
flexiness within the product line: a Beta Carv 9.x ought to be
stiffer than a Beta Carv 8.x, but it's softer (kind of) than a Beta
Race 9.x. To give you an idea, I have a pair of Beta Carv 9.18s and
a pair of race stock Beta Race 9.12s, and yeah, they do feel quite
different. And, oh yeah, they changed the names, too. I think the
current C:9.18 corresponds to the Beta Carv 9.18, for example.
Chuck is correct that the .22 indicates a sidecut suitable for
GS-type turns, but the 8.22 is not a race ski. It should be a
pretty mellow ski, not a super high-performer, but fun for most
folks.
See http://www.atomicsnow.com/ for more info on the product line.
DLG
<d1r2a3g4a...@SPAM.t6h7t.net> wrote:
I don't know SportCheck, but if they are a large enough vendor, they
might order up 'custom' designations from Atomic. I would have hoped
Atomic would be above this, but.... With items like this, you need to
be very suspect about what it might correspond with in the real world.
Not to mention, being such an odd ball will likely kill its resale, if
that is an issue.
BTW, it is a very common thing with mattresses. Just try to compare
models. Every vendor has different designations, which won't
correspond with anything from the actual manufacturer. And the
manufacturer won't help you figure it out. This is done on purpose to
confuse the buyer.
Buyer beware.
DLG
Andre Boucher
I decided to send an email to Atomic Canada and ask them the same
question. Here is the answer I got:
:This is not old, the 8.22 is a special make-up of the 8.18 that was
:made for Sport Chek/Forzani/Sport Experts. The 311 is the binding they
:chose to put on the ski.
Thank you all for the good answers and have a wonderful ski season.
Andre.
sjjohnston
> ... The ".22" refers to the arc the
> ski can carve measured in meters. ...
Actually, that's not exactly right. The 22 is, I believe, the arc *of
the sidecut itself* in meters. You can carve a considerably smaller
arc than that.
If you want to get all quadratic and stuff, you can figure out the arc
of the sidecut if you know the tip, waist and tail widths and the
length of the portion of the ski that engages on edge. It's simple if
the tip and tail are the same width and a bit more complex if they're
different (which they ordinarily are). An example: A ski with an
"engaged length" of 135 cm (e.g. 150 less 15 cm at tip and tail) and a
profile of 107-63-95 mm would have a sidecut with a radius of almost
exactly 12 meters.
The portion of the length in front of the waist is:
-B + (B^2 - 4AC)^1/2 / 2A, where
A = 1/front sidecut depth - 1/back sidecut
B = 2 * engaged length / back sidecut
C = front sidecut - back sidecut - engaged length ^ 2 / back sidecut
Once you know that, the radius of the sidecut is:
front sidecut / 2 + length in front of waist ^ 2 / 2 * front sidecut
I think.
Mike Spector
"Dragan Cvetkovic" <d1r2a3g4a...@SPAM.t6h7t.net> wrote in message
news:lmadh30...@lokrum.tht.net...
The purpose of this it to prevent price comparison. The models are the same
but with another top sheet an graphic.
You can't go to your local shop and ask them to match the price of
Sportcheck.
This practice is becoming more and more prevalent.
Mike
Dragan Cvetkovic
> "Dragan Cvetkovic" <d1r2a3g4a...@SPAM.t6h7t.net> wrote in message
> news:lmadh30...@lokrum.tht.net...
[snip]
> > Are you buying from SportCheck? They have some weird models of skis (e.g
> > Head skis they have are i130 and i150 whereas everybody else sells i140
> and
> > i160, and there are a lot of other examples -- last year when everybody
> > else was selling x20, x40, x60 and x80, they were selling x30, x50, x70
> > Head skis). When questioning one of the salesperson about it (a tactics of
> > mine to get rid of them when I am just browsing and don't want them
> > around), he said that these are made specially for their shops, but he is
> > not sure about it. Highly doubtful.
[snip]
>
> The purpose of this it to prevent price comparison. The models are the same
> but with another top sheet an graphic.
>
> You can't go to your local shop and ask them to match the price of
> Sportcheck.
> This practice is becoming more and more prevalent.
> Mike
>
Interesting. Didn't know that. One more reason to avoid SportCheck. Thanks
Mike.
Mike Spector
Not really because you can buy the same skis from another shop at a higher
price.
Now I should say that my recent experiences with Sportcheck have been very
good.
The Saloman x wave 8 that I bought for $339 prooved to be too soft after 10
times out with them Sportcheck did not give me any trouble exchanging them
for the x-wave 9s which have proved to be fine. I also could have had a
store credit.
My girl friend is in the process of getting new skis (or store credit if
she'd prefer) from them as the binding fell off due to the screws being
stripped. No arguments.
Better than some other shops I could mention.
Mike