Racing skis for all mountain
Michael Wesler
I could use some advice from some of you guru's out there. I ski
almost
exclusively in the Southern California mountains. Conditions are most
often hard pack that degenerates into a mixture of icy (really hard
pack) patches and semi sludge areas. I had skiied an Atomic beta Race
9.28 until they "melted down" last weekend - Don't ask me how?!?#@$@
I am looking for advice as to the best edge for cutting into
those icy
patches. I am not looking for one of those supposed "all mountain skis,"
they are worthless in Southern California. I want a couple of STIFF
platforms with an edge like a RAZOR with a bit, just a little bitty bit,
of
forgiveness.
Thanks in advance,
Mike W
BJohansson
The Real Bev
>
> Hello,
>
> I could use some advice from some of you guru's out there. I ski
> almost
> exclusively in the Southern California mountains. Conditions are most
> often hard pack that degenerates into a mixture of icy (really hard
> pack) patches and semi sludge areas.
Stop going to Mountain High. I have no idea why they have so much more ice
than Big Bear, but they do. Can't avoid the slush, though...
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Brumos
<michael....@boeing.com> wrote:
Check out the line up of Volkl skis....a bit pricier than your average
ski, but you get what you pay for.
Brumos
William Ball
I can't speak too highly of Volkl P40s. The worked great in Scottish
ice/crud/slush - and on a trip to Colorado were excellent in soft, bumps,
steeps, seriously fast etc...
WB
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Matthew McGuire
Michael Wesler wrote ...
>
until they "melted down" last weekend - Don't ask me how?!?#@$@
That nasty toxic smog you guys produce, perhaps?
Seriously-- demo some Volkls, get them out from under your feet and rock.
Matt
Michael Wesler
people into that West side of the resort. I rather enjoy the East side
but it hasn't been open lately. I shudder to think of the crowds this
year with that $199 "freedom" pass they were selling earlier this year.
Mike W
The Real Bev
>
> i've noticed the same thing. I think they just try to cram too many
> people into that West side of the resort. I rather enjoy the East side
> but it hasn't been open lately.
Not for years -- much cheaper to only keep one side open. Last year I had
a free ticket and didn't even bother to use it.
Ever been to Ski Sunrise? I'm waiting for a good REAL snow year to try
it. Apparently their biggest lift died last year...
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Cheers,
Bev
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Michael Wesler
whatever the new version is). The problem I see with Volkl is they are
wider than the "normal" racing skis I have skied on, 102/63/88 I
believe. Does anyone else know what that extra width is going to do for
(or to) me?
Thanks in advance,
Mike W
bdubya
<michael....@boeing.com> wrote:
>Volkl's seem to be the choice. I was going to try some K2 Merlin 6's (or
>whatever the new version is). The problem I see with Volkl is they are
>wider than the "normal" racing skis I have skied on, 102/63/88 I
>believe. Does anyone else know what that extra width is going to do for
>(or to) me?
Might make your tips float a little better in powder. I think that
"102" figure is a little deceptive, since the widest point is so close
to the tip; what it would do is give you a little longer edge on the
snow, which can't be a bad thing on ice, can it?
BW
Michael Wesler
Mike W
Michael Wesler
would contact the ice but the parabolics FACTUALLY offer better carving
abilities. So is your logic (or experience) the more parabolic the more
turning ability? Would that fatness give me too much side cut in
"powdery" conditions to warrant concern?
Mike W
The Real Bev
>
> Nope. They say it is an inverted lift system. that's all I know.
The parking lot is at the top, right next to a lift egress. Kind of weird
to watch a chair come around while you're looking for a parking place. I
really want to go there some day just because it ISN'T Mountain High but is
just as close.
Heh. I saw my very first snowfall EVER at Table Mountain.
http://skisunrise.com/index.html
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Cheers,
Bev
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Walt
>
> Michael Wesler wrote:
> >
> > Nope. They say it is an inverted lift system. that's all I know.
>
> The parking lot is at the top, right next to a lift egress. Kind of weird
> to watch a chair come around while you're looking for a parking place.
Whew. That's a relief. I was envisioning what an inverted lift might
be and pictured some kind of Aussie device where they hang you by your
skis like a Wombat.
-Walt
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"now quit worrying and go skiing - that's what it's all about..."
bdubya
<michael....@boeing.com> wrote:
>I don't know. I think the straighter the ski the more of its surface
>would contact the ice but the parabolics FACTUALLY offer better carving
>abilities. So is your logic (or experience) the more parabolic the more
>turning ability? Would that fatness give me too much side cut in
>"powdery" conditions to warrant concern?
When you say "surface", do you mean "edge?" I suspect so, since edge
is what counts on ice, and the answer re: turning ability is YES,
because when you roll the ski onto its edge, it's forced into a curve
and will carve naturally, whereas straighter skis will need to be
skidded a little (or ridden much more aggressively) to make the same
radius turn. As for deeper conditions, fatness = flotation, and the
sidecut helps with turn initiation, so it's all good. If you're
looking at things like the Merlin VI, I don't think "too much" sidecut
is going to be an issue at all.
I switched from a really straight pair of Dynastar GS skis to a
higher-end Volkl (P30), and once I learned to work the new boards,
they worked much better in all conditions (and before I got a handle
on them, they still worked at least as well). If you get a chance,
demo something in the P40 series; based on your criteria ("a couple of
STIFF platforms with an edge like a RAZOR with a bit, just a little
bitty bit of forgiveness"), I think you'll be quite pleased.
BW
The Real Bev
>
> The Real Bev wrote:
> >
> > Michael Wesler wrote:
> > >
> > > Nope. They say it is an inverted lift system. that's all I know.
> >
> > The parking lot is at the top, right next to a lift egress. Kind of weird
> > to watch a chair come around while you're looking for a parking place.
>
> Whew. That's a relief. I was envisioning what an inverted lift might
> be and pictured some kind of Aussie device where they hang you by your
> skis like a Wombat.
Hey, that's the new ride at Six Flags Magic Mountain!
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Cheers,
Bev
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Marcel K Haesok
fellow skiers, I bought a pair of volkl vectris v30. I am very satisfied
with it. You can check out other skis in this site.
http://www.skireview.com/reviews/skis/
Michael Wesler
Mike W
Michael Wesler
find a shop in Southern CA that will demo them. Closest demo ski
available is a 1/2 race, 1/2 rec ski called the P40 Platnium in Big
Bear. Guess I'll test those.
The Real Bev
>
> What's table mountain?
Just above Ski Sunrise (go up the little road to the right of the parking
lot, the one clearly marked DO NOT ENTER) is a JPL/Caltech installation
with a telescope and other stuff I can't remember. There may be info
linked from the skisunrise.com site...
> The Real Bev wrote:
> >
> > Michael Wesler wrote:
> > >
> > > Nope. They say it is an inverted lift system. that's all I know.
> >
> > The parking lot is at the top, right next to a lift egress. Kind of weird
> > to watch a chair come around while you're looking for a parking place. I
> > really want to go there some day just because it ISN'T Mountain High but is
> > just as close.
> >
> > Heh. I saw my very first snowfall EVER at Table Mountain.
> >
> > http://skisunrise.com/index.html
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Cheers,
Bev
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BJohansson
to make it a decent all-mtn ski but has the same ice-holding capabilties as
their full-on racing skis. My youngest brother skis on them -- he's a former
HS racer that skied on the "infamous" Atomic Red Sleds. He swears by his
Volkls. I've never been able to find a pair to demo, so I stand by my earlier
post: K2 Merlin VI GS (M6G in 00-01 models).
Wish I was paid to promo the K2's!!!
Brian
Brian Natalie Sniatkowski
the VI's are in their line this year. If you can find
a pair of holdovers, pick them up. Great ski.
Supposedly a racing ski, but I'm no racer and love
them as an all mountain ski. From your description,
they are exactly what you are looking for.