volkl kendo vs stockli Stormrider 88

[Joseph VLcek]

Can someone who has skied both the volkl kendo and stockli Stormrider 88
List their opinion of the PROs and CONs of each?

I am 6'-0" / 185 lbs and have been skiing 2014 Kendo for the past couple of years

I am considering moving to the 2016 Stockli Stormrider 88 but am having trouble
finding a decent comparison of these two ski models.

[SkiGu...@telus.net]

Sorry, but you came to the wrong place for ski advise. Nobody here skis.
Just a bunch of trolls, flamers and the occasional wanna-be-but never-were racers hang out here.
If you need advise go to:
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/3-General-Ski-Snowboard-Discussion

You're welcome!

[pigo]

There are skiers, ex skiers, and loads of recreational skiers. We have our share of poseurs too. I don't now that the technical area is up to what it once was. But my perception is that skis these days don't require any technical data. Short and easy. Just go muscle them around. I'd sell you a pair of 207 Elan RS race stock if you want to go fast?

[SkiGu...@telus.net]

See what I mean? Pigo used to ski but gave up skiing years ago and became a golfer. Yup, that's right, a freaking GOLFER is hanging around what is supposed to be a ski forum and trying to flog old, obsolete piece-of-crap skis. Welcome to r.s.a.

[lal_truckee]

On 2/28/16 9:49 AM, SkiGu...@telus.net wrote:
> On Saturday, 27 February 2016 07:26:11 UTC-8, pigo wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 24, 2016 at 11:44:08 AM UTC-7, Joseph VLcek wrote:

...

>>> Can someone who has skied both the volkl kendo and stockli Stormrider 88
>>> List their opinion of the PROs and CONs of each?
>>>
>>> I am 6'-0" / 185 lbs and have been skiing 2014 Kendo for the past couple of years
>>>
>>> I am considering moving to the 2016 Stockli Stormrider 88 but am having trouble
>>> finding a decent comparison of these two ski models.
>>
>> There are skiers, ex skiers, and loads of recreational skiers. We have our share of poseurs too. I don't now that the technical area is up to what it once was. But my perception is that skis these days don't require any technical data. Short and easy. Just go muscle them around. I'd sell you a pair of 207 Elan RS race stock if you want to go fast?
>
>
> See what I mean? Pigo used to ski but gave up skiing years ago and became a golfer. Yup, that's right, a freaking GOLFER is hanging around what is supposed to be a ski forum and trying to flog old, obsolete piece-of-crap skis. Welcome to r.s.a.

I'm still skiing, FWIW

Can't comment from direct experience on the particular models you
mention, but everyone I've talked skies with in the past many years,
skiing any of the Stormrider models, has been pretty much universal in
acclamation.

Anyway, the skier is more important than the ski.

[The Real Bev]

A good skier transcends equipment. That's why I buy all my stuff at
yard sales.


--
Cheers, Bev
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey
and car keys to teenage boys." -- P.J. O'Rourke

[downhill]

The Real Bev wrote:

>> Anyway, the skier is more important than the ski.
>
> A good skier transcends equipment. That's why I buy all my stuff at
> yard sales.
>
>

I do not completely agree. I look at some of the skiers in rear entry
boots and skis with binding from 25 years ago, and I think the only
transition they are going to make is for a sled ride.
From my perspective it matters, as racing is 95% mental knowing my
equipment is fresh is an edge.
But like today when you leave a good piece of equipment in the bag and
you hit your arm on the gate where that good piece of arm protector
should have been.
New helmets are required with FIS stickers for racers, and the carbon
fiber helmet does not meet FIS rules and is no longer produced. great
light helmet

[Joseph VLcek]

Why is it people feel compelled to reply with personal opinions totally unrelated to the question?

We just love to hear ourselves talk don't we?

Thanks for the non-sense-anwers

Joe

[pigo]

Your welcome.

[SkiGu...@telus.net]

On Monday, 29 February 2016 06:59:24 UTC-8, Joseph VLcek wrote:
>
> Why is it people feel compelled to reply with personal opinions totally unrelated to the question?
>
> We just love to hear ourselves talk don't we?
>
> Thanks for the non-sense-anwers
>
> Joe

Well, I did try to warn you. Downhill is one of the worst ones here. He can't ski worth shit but loves to go on and on about his "racing" exploits and hand out all kinds of bad advise.

Anyway, as I said in my initial reply, if you want some real info go to:

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/3-General-Ski-Snowboard-Discussion

[lal_truckee]

On 2/29/16 6:59 AM, Joseph VLcek wrote:

> Why is it people feel compelled to reply with personal opinions totally unrelated to the question?

Unlike SkiGu...@telus.net most of us remaining around here are socialized.

[The Real Bev]

More or less. We sure don't talk much any more, though.


--
Cheers, Bev
========================================================
"We don't know how smart people can be, but we know that
dumb goes all the way to zero." -- Joe Chew

[downhill]

To the OP I never quoted you or was interested in your silly targeted
question, that could only be answered by a twit in marketing.

skiguy is ignored by me same boat as long time loon pointless to read
his crap as by his posting he is based in reality just like the loon...

[The Real Bev]

And this is why facebook has so many users :-(


--
Cheers, Bev
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They keep talking about drafting a Constitution for Iraq. Why don't
we just give them ours? It was written by a lot of really smart guys,
it's worked for over 200 years, and we're not using it any more.

[SkiGu...@telus.net]

On Monday, 29 February 2016 18:24:16 UTC-8, downhill wrote:

> skiguy is ignored by me same boat as long time loon pointless to read
> his crap as by his posting he is based in reality just like the loon...

Wow, did you actually read what wrote before pressing the Post button?

[SkiGu...@telus.net]

BTW, I can understand how you would want to ignore anyone or anything that "is based in reality" when reality for you is that you're an illiterate moron who can't ski worth crap and you think that NASTAR is anything like real racing. Here's a clue for you, NASTAR is to ski racing what a kiddie go-cart track is to formula 1.

[lal_truckee]

You are correct; All big time car race drivers got their start on what
is essentially the kiddie go-cart track.

[downhill]

lal_truckee wrote:
> You are correct; All big time car race drivers got their start on what
> is essentially the kiddie go-cart track.

Agreeing with idiots only takes you to their level.

But just convinced he is jealous, otherwise you would not bother to respond.
Never the less have a good time in NASTAR racing against former world
cup guys or Olympians. Then you get to hang out with them at awards
ceremony.
One of my friends who has raced against F1 cars when they did combined
races F5000 cars and in his 70's. Races karts to stay in shape for the
events he runs in his vintage Brabham Formula B car.

[SkiGu...@telus.net]

On Friday, 4 March 2016 09:33:43 UTC-8, downhill wrote:

> Agreeing with idiots only takes you to their level.
>
> But just convinced he is jealous, otherwise you would not bother to respond.
> Never the less have a good time in NASTAR racing against former world
> cup guys or Olympians. Then you get to hang out with them at awards
> ceremony.
> One of my friends who has raced against F1 cars when they did combined
> races F5000 cars and in his 70's. Races karts to stay in shape for the
> events he runs in his vintage Brabham Formula B car.

With all that gibberish coming out of your mouth, I'm starting to think that you're a Trump supporter....

[lal_truckee]

On 3/4/16 9:33 AM, downhill wrote:
> lal_truckee wrote:
>> You are correct; All big time car race drivers got their start on what
>> is essentially the kiddie go-cart track.
>
> Agreeing with idiots only takes you to their level.

Not being hostile. Pointing out that everybody starts somewhere. You
don't even move right into dirt track racing without experience. Cart is
a common starting point, as is dirt bike.

Our mutually argumentative co-poster is wrong to disparage NASTAR thus.

NASTAR isn't as popular here in the west as it appears to be in the
east; I don't believe I've ever seen a NASTAR course. (Maybe at Bend
long ago.) I don't know why. Daily I see training courses with coaching
set for everyone from 5 year olds to Masters and elites, but no NASTAR.
Decades past coin-op timed courses were commonly set for civilians but
not NASTARized.

[SkiGu...@telus.net]

On Friday, 4 March 2016 15:13:50 UTC-8, lal_truckee wrote:

>
> Our mutually argumentative co-poster is wrong to disparage NASTAR thus.
>
> NASTAR isn't as popular here in the west as it appears to be in the
> east; I don't believe I've ever seen a NASTAR course. (Maybe at Bend
> long ago.) I don't know why. Daily I see training courses with coaching
> set for everyone from 5 year olds to Masters and elites, but no NASTAR.
> Decades past coin-op timed courses were commonly set for civilians but
> not NASTARized.

I didn't disparage NASTAR. I said that, unlike what Downhill likes to pretend, NASTAR is not anything like 'real' racing.... i.e.- FIS sanctioned races. If you want 'real' racing with full-length courses, etc., then compete in FIS Masters program. NASTAR encourages resorts across the country to standardize their course(s) to have a par time of 23 seconds... hardly a 'real' race course.

BTW, The 'big time car racers' analogy (cart->F1) doesn't hold water. Name a single World Cup racer that got their start in NASTAR.

[downhill]

There was a big uproar this years when USSA bought NASTAR and decided to
build there own software not using the original developer. The software
did not work so no one could get timing. Then race the gates released a
version that worked and NASTAR sites started to drop.
USSA bought the race the gates developers and now the software is back
to normal.
Out east there is still some NASTAR but a lot less than there was. Mt
Snow had it and used to run Masters races also. They dropped both so we
sold the on site property we had. They are now more interested in the
park and pimping thing with half pipes.
Bellayre had NASTAR but somebody died on the NASTAR course and they
dropped it the next season.
Alot of the adult leagues use the NASTAR scoring and record keeping and
they run longer courses some do not offer public NASTAR.
We will see if the joining of NASTAR and USSA is a good thing or a fork
in the back.
But much like formula car racing ski racing has too much competition
from other options that did not exist 30 years ago and there seems to be
less interest in both..

[downhill]

lal_truckee wrote:
> You don't even move right into dirt track racing without experience.
> Cart is a common starting point, as is dirt bike.

The Brazilian Driver Massa regularly races karts when he is home in
brazil. Two of the kids in the F2000 series were from Brazil and had
video and autographs& pictures of them racing against Massa in karts.
One of the kids was a pretty good racer, he won the F2000 championship 4
or so years ago and then graduated to Indy lights. He won one Indy
lights race the day that Weldon lost his head, so there was little or no
coverage of his race.
But he still karts and there are many other driver that do to stay in
shape and most up coming drivers spend time in karts. The same way most
drivers have also spent time in formula fords or other small bore
formula car.
I was at a kart track assisting my friend and he was driving the track.
He came in after a session followed by a track hot shoe, a quick 12 year
old. The kid is mumbling I can not pass that old guy, who is he.
I said he used to race against Mario. The kid goes who's Mario?

[pigo]

Well he is right about that.

[pigo]

On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 9:53:10 AM UTC-7, lal_truckee wrote:

> You are correct; All big time car race drivers got their start on what
> is essentially the kiddie go-cart track.

You are right too. But I don't think that they thought that they were "big time car race drivers" at the time.