Nancy Kerrigan is *obnoxious*
Lisa Su
> Playing back the video of scenes while they were waiting
>to get the medals, Nancy Kerrigan exhibited extreme impatience and
>un-Olympic sportsmanship. Oksana Baiul was having her make-up reapplied (due
>to her crying) causing Kerrigan to explain with a pouty gesture to the third
>place winner "Come ooooooonnnnnnn! So she's gonna git out here and cry again!"
>snottily complained the 2nd place skater, "What's the difference?". In the
>background the audience could be heard clapping, eager for the presentation
>ceremonies to begin delayed by the fact that the organizers could not locate a
>copy of the Ukrainian anthem and not because of Oksana!
> Throughout most of the ceremony while the Ukrainian anthem was being
>played and especially at the end Kerrigan did not smile but had what best
>can be described, a grimace on her face.
>
Just to respond to this point, I completely agree and the post-competition
interviews of Nancy Kerrigan were even MORE unbecoming of her "PRINCESS"
image. When asked about Oksana Bayul's skate, she said "Well, I didn't
watch it live because I was doing interviews, but looking at the replays,
she had some bobbles and two-foot landings which should have been deducted
in the technical marks. So, maybe her marks started from 6.2 or 6.3." This
was an interview with the local CBS network (since we are here in Boston,
the coverage has been incredibly disgusting to watch). The local press
has basically been implying that Kerrigan was robbed and they couldn't
understand why Bayul won.
Well, IMHO, I agree with the previous poster, they both skated potential
gold medal performances, and someone had to win. Just because it wasn't
Nancy Kerrigan does not justify her very unsportsmanlike remarks and
attitude towards Oksana Bayul. I must admit that I was sure that Nancy
K. was going to win the gold after her skate because of the sympathy points,
but I am very very happy that Oksana was able to pull it off!
--Lisa.
Norma J Dowell
with a 16 year old orphan from the Ukrane who had stitches in her leg skate
her heart out for the gold.
Nancy had too many people telling her she was going to get the gold because
it was her due. She skated quite well, but do you think in the back of the
judges minds, thay were not going to reward either American skater any more
than they had to? The German judge could have given Oksana and Nancy marks
to end in a tie, but he/she chose the neighbor over the "snotty American".
After both Nancy's and Tonya's displays, I cannot say I am proud to have
eother of them representing my country. Christy Yamaguci should be going to
--
John Gregor
In a previous article, njdo...@iastate.edu (Norma J Dowell) says:
>judges minds, thay were not going to reward either American skater any more
>than they had to? The German judge could have given Oksana and Nancy marks
>to end in a tie, but he/she chose the neighbor over the "snotty American".
There are many who think the Americans should have been forbidden to
compete in this olympics until they can get their act together.
I was trying to explain to a friend from SEA how it could be that America
could not be filled with shame from this ordeal. He said that if the
Nancy/Tonya "event" had happened in his country, neither would have gone to
the olympics because it would bring shame to his country. I had to explain
that America has no shame - it is a me-first culture, everyone else be
damned. I don't think he ever understood.
Then, as a grand finale, the American Nancy Kerrigan who won a silver medal
had the poor grace to criticize the gold medal winner publicly and claim
unfair judging. This was a slap in the face to the rest of the world and
especially to the Ukrainian gold medal winner Oksana Baijul.
John
Kalle Kivimaa
>Nancy had too many people telling her she was going to get the gold because
>it was her due. She skated quite well, but do you think in the back of the
>judges minds, thay were not going to reward either American skater any more
>than they had to? The German judge could have given Oksana and Nancy marks
>to end in a tie, but he/she chose the neighbor over the "snotty American".
I think the marks were good. Remember, Oksana got worse techical
score than Nancy, as Nancy's program is VERY technical. On the other
hand, Oksana puts MUCH more feeling into her skating than Nancy does.
And in the long program, artistic performance is what really counts.
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: Then, as a grand finale, the American Nancy Kerrigan who won a silver medal
: had the poor grace to criticize the gold medal winner publicly and claim
: unfair judging. This was a slap in the face to the rest of the world and
: especially to the Ukrainian gold medal winner Oksana Baijul.
What's your point? Kerrigan was right.
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poorest sportsmanship I have ever seen following a competition. I have
never been a real fan, as I just don't think her programs are ever very
challenging, but I have always thought that her good humor and
sportsmanship have always been her saving graces. Now I am just resolved
to the fact that she deserves her title of ice princess. Anyone who
thinks that Tonya is a brat (I'm too polite to use harsher words) should
take a look at this tape. She's certainly not the only one.
Then later on in an interview she has the nerve to berate Oksana. Talk
about a slap in the face to Oksana Baiul. She skates a beautiful program
which was IMHO much more intricate and involving than Nancy's, and then she
gets to hear her fellow medal winner saying she shouldn't have won.
Eugene Yevgeny Kholodenko
>
> Playing back the video of scenes while they were waiting
>to get the medals, Nancy Kerrigan exhibited extreme impatience and
>un-Olympic sportsmanship. Oksana Baiul was having her make-up reapplied (due
>to her crying) causing Kerrigan to explain with a pouty gesture to the third
>place winner "Come ooooooonnnnnnn! So she's gonna git out here and cry again!"
>snottily complained the 2nd place skater, "What's the difference?". In the
>background the audience could be heard clapping, eager for the presentation
>ceremonies to begin delayed by the fact that the organizers could not locate a
>copy of the Ukrainian anthem and not because of Oksana!
> Throughout most of the ceremony while the Ukrainian anthem was being
>played and especially at the end Kerrigan did not smile but had what best
>can be described, a grimace on her face.
>
>
>
> Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
>
Kerrigan is an American spy selected to destroy the Ukrainian nationalists...
Just a joke, Bohdan, but you'd know what I mean from alt.c.e.ukraine...
Gene
Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
Lydia Kulbida
>John Gregor (aq...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
>
>
>: Then, as a grand finale, the American Nancy Kerrigan who won a silver medal
>: had the poor grace to criticize the gold medal winner publicly and claim
>: unfair judging. This was a slap in the face to the rest of the world and
>: especially to the Ukrainian gold medal winner Oksana Baijul.
>
> What's your point? Kerrigan was right.
No amount of complaining after the event is going to change the results.
Her mean-spirited comments about Oksana did change my impression of her
temperament. After weeks of hearing about poor, sweet Nancy it was a shock
to her remark so callously about Oksana's crying. And even though Oksana
won the gold, Nancy's silver will bring her millions more in endorsements.
I didn't see any reason for lack of good manners. Everyone complained
about Tonya's lack of Olympic sportsmanship, well what about Nancy's?
ell...@delphi.com
>Nancy had too many people telling her she was going to get the gold because
>it was her due. She skated quite well, but do you think in the back of the
>judges minds, thay were not going to reward either American skater any more
>than they had to? The German judge could have given Oksana and Nancy marks
>to end in a tie, but he/she chose the neighbor over the "snotty American".
her silver medal. I don't understand why Baiul got higher technical marks
from some of the judges, but I can understand why she got higher artistic
marks. Personally, I could not count on myself being unbiased if I had
been one of the judges. Anti-American sentiment runs high in the world,
and the copious news about Kerrigan's high-money endorsement deals and
virtual coronation as a gold medalist before the fact might have given
Eastern bloc judges no hesitation in marking Baiul higher.
To be honest, however, the free skate emphasizes artistry slightly more
than technical ability, and my opinion is that Baiul is better -- more
spontaneous, more gutsy, less canned -- than Kerrigan in that area.
I didn't think Kerrigan was a "snotty American" before last night, when I
heard her comments about Baiul's emotional reaction to her win. I guess
I really don't think Kerrigan is "snotty," but I think she is just a
normal American girl (as opposed to the Hepburnesque ice princess she has
been portrayed as) who has been surrounded by protective coaches and
friends for weeks and weeks, telling her she was all but a shoo-in for
the gold. All I can say is, Well Nancy, at least Oksana Baiul saves her
sobb and overemotionalism for after she skates a winning program,
ulike you, who collapsed in tears after your disastrous program at Worlds
last year and then took almost a whole year to get over it...
I mean, REALLY! Nancy Kerrigan is slamming a competitor for being
overemotional??? Give me a break...
Emil Marcus
Quite true and rather unfortunate for someone the media portrayed
as... perfect...
Perhaps, both Kerrigan and Baiul should have been awarded the
1st place and the Gold Medal - EX EQUO ! Just because the "mathematic
difference" between them was so... insignificant.
Emil
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Charles Lin
In article <p6+JOh9...@delphi.com>, ell...@delphi.com writes:
>I really don't think Kerrigan is "snotty," but I think she is just a
>normal American girl (as opposed to the Hepburnesque ice princess she has
>been portrayed as) who has been surrounded by protective coaches and
>friends for weeks and weeks, telling her she was all but a shoo-in for
>the gold. All I can say is, Well Nancy, at least Oksana Baiul saves her
>sobb and overemotionalism for after she skates a winning program,
>ulike you, who collapsed in tears after your disastrous program at Worlds
>last year and then took almost a whole year to get over it...
It was interesting to hear a few weeks ago how Tonya had come
from the wrong side of the tracks and didn't have the well-bred
home that Kerrigan had, and if she ruffles a few feathers because
she's not as stylish as Nancy, well that's the viewer's problems.
Then, Tonya goes to say how she will win the gold, and seems to handle
the media pretty well while Nancy makes the mistake of uttering
her real feelings near a TV for all to hear.
Actually, I must admit that I thought Oksana had thought she had
skated a horrible program with the way she was crying. I agree
that Nancy could have been a little more polite, but heck, a lot
of people complain about a lot of things. I don't think she is
this princess either. I tend to think that sportsmanship is
a basic form of polite lying, and something we like to pretend
to believe in. It makes things nice and civil even when one's
true feelings are being supressed. For example, I think Dean
felt the judges were unfair, but he wasn't about to say anything
like that, otherwise he would be branded as whiny and complaining.
He makes gracious gestures, complementing the audience, mentioning
the judges just happened to have different preferences, etc.
Perhaps put in the same situation as Nancy, many others would
have said similar things, esp. when it seemed off-camera.
--
Charles Lin
cl...@eng.umd.edu
Larry M Watanabe
>In a previous article, njdo...@iastate.edu (Norma J Dowell) says:
>There are many who think the Americans should have been forbidden to
>compete in this olympics until they can get their act together.
>I was trying to explain to a friend from SEA how it could be that America
>could not be filled with shame from this ordeal. He said that if the
>Nancy/Tonya "event" had happened in his country, neither would have gone to
>the olympics because it would bring shame to his country. I had to explain
>that America has no shame - it is a me-first culture, everyone else be
>damned. I don't think he ever understood.
I'm not an American, only been here a few years, but I see no
reason why America should feel shame for Nancy/Tonya. From
what I've learned of Americans, where they
appear most crass they are often most subtle. It is part of
the American respect for the individual, which both confers
the freedom to succeed, and the freedom to fail. Americans
do not infringe on another's sense of self.
The American respect for the individual is what I think truly
separates them from other people. In no other culture is this
so strongly ingrained in their culture, their legal system,
their political system, their personalities. It is responsible
for much of their success.
To describe it as "America has no shame - it is a me-first culture,
everyone else be dammned" .. is only the most negative
perspective.
-Larry Watanabe
Greg Kuperberg
> Actually, I must admit that I thought Oksana had thought she had
>skated a horrible program with the way she was crying. I agree
>that Nancy could have been a little more polite, but heck, a lot
>of people complain about a lot of things.
Folks, this entire mini-controversy stems from a misunderstanding.
There was a big delay in the awards ceremony because the Olympic
officials couldn't find a tape of the Ukranian national anthem.
According to ClariNet, Kerrigan and the other skaters in the arena
thought that Baiul was delaying the ceremony to redo her make-up. So
Kerrigan made a peevish comment that it was a pointless reason to wait,
which it might have been if it had been the reason.
I agree that it wasn't the world's politest comment. I assume that
Kerrigan, like most people, isn't a saint, but does have the common
sense needed to be courteous and professional in her career. (Unlike
Tonya Harding.) Kerrigan did give Baiul a hug in congratulations.
Fiona McQuarrie
the reason Oksana Baiul was crying was because she had just had to skate
a difficult and technically demanding program with an anaethesized
leg containing several rather fresh stitches. I'd sure as heck
be sobbing after that.
Not only do her comments betray an extreme lack of sports[person]ship,
but a lack of basic compassion for someone who is hurt. Rather ironic
for someone who was all over the world's TV sets a few weeks ago screaming
and howling after having her own leg injured....
Fiona McQuarrie
fmcq...@atlas.cs.upei.ca
Peter V.Vorobieff
>Greetings!
>
> Playing back the video of scenes while they were waiting
>to get the medals, Nancy Kerrigan exhibited extreme impatience and
>un-Olympic sportsmanship.
<shnip>
For the first time in my life I have but to agree with Bohdan.
Oksana is charming.
Nancy is a bitch.
Sandra Loosemore
Folks, this entire mini-controversy stems from a misunderstanding.
There was a big delay in the awards ceremony because the Olympic
officials couldn't find a tape of the Ukranian national anthem.
According to ClariNet, Kerrigan and the other skaters in the arena
thought that Baiul was delaying the ceremony to redo her make-up. So
Kerrigan made a peevish comment that it was a pointless reason to wait,
which it might have been if it had been the reason.
I agree that it wasn't the world's politest comment. I assume that
Kerrigan, like most people, isn't a saint, but does have the common
sense needed to be courteous and professional in her career. (Unlike
Tonya Harding.) Kerrigan did give Baiul a hug in congratulations.
Right, this is the way I've heard the story too.
There were problems with delays in the medal ceremonies at nationals
in Detroit, too. Both the men's and the ladies' medal ceremonies were
delayed because Boitano and Harding (respectively) were somewhere
backstage giving interviews to ABC instead of being ready to come out
when the medal ceremony began. Meanwhile, the medal presenters were
standing around out on the ice feeling stupid, the officials were
running around trying to find out what the problem was and tell the
announcer what to do, the other medallists were getting impatient, and
people in the audience were getting very restless and starting to
leave. People who were sitting near me were all grumbling and
complaining about how it was inexcusably rude for the skaters to
disrupt the medal ceremony like that. So I could understand it if
Nancy was grumbling because she thought Oksana was delaying the medal
ceremony just so she could re-do her makeup.
-Sandra
Michael Murphy
>Greetings!
> Regards,
> Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
Well, can you blame her? She lost by the narrowest of margins. Kerrigan is
not exactly supposed to smile during the Ukranian national anthem. She's not
from Ukraine! She from the USA. She was just glad that she was able to get
the silver medal after all that's happened.
Michael Murphy
merf...@sage.cc.purdue.edu
Emery Lapinski
>Greetings!
>
> Playing back the video of scenes while they were waiting
>to get the medals, Nancy Kerrigan exhibited extreme impatience and
>un-Olympic sportsmanship. Oksana Baiul was having her make-up reapplied (due
>to her crying) causing Kerrigan to explain with a pouty gesture to the third
>place winner "Come ooooooonnnnnnn! So she's gonna git out here and cry again!"
>snottily complained the 2nd place skater, "What's the difference?". In the
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I saw that too. I was surprised that CBS let that footage slip out, I guess
they thought she wasn't going to act so snotty. I haven't seen anyone
covering this aspect of Nancy's personality -- they just keep acting
like she is soooo nice and happy about her Silver. After seeing that,
I lost all respect for Nancy, and now think she's a total brat (I don't think
she's smart enough to be called a "bitch")
-Emery
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Emil Marcus
I remember having watched Torvill and Dean on the podium several days
ago. The Gold&Siver medalists were from Russia. Torvill and Dean
are... not from Russia, as we very well know, but seemed to exhibit less
unhappiness... In my oppinion Torvill and Dean's performance was
worth the 1st place !
Well, maybe it is just because Nancy is 24, while Torvill and Dean are
36 and 35...
Sean Peisert
: In article <2ko73g$k...@crl.crl.com>, mae...@crl.com (Sean Peisert) writes...
: >John Gregor (aq...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:
: >
: >
: >: Then, as a grand finale, the American Nancy Kerrigan who won a silver medal
: >: had the poor grace to criticize the gold medal winner publicly and claim
: >: unfair judging. This was a slap in the face to the rest of the world and
: >: especially to the Ukrainian gold medal winner Oksana Baijul.
: >
: > What's your point? Kerrigan was right.
: ==============================================================================
: No amount of complaining after the event is going to change the results.
: Her mean-spirited comments about Oksana did change my impression of her
: temperament. After weeks of hearing about poor, sweet Nancy it was a shock
: to her remark so callously about Oksana's crying. And even though Oksana
: won the gold, Nancy's silver will bring her millions more in endorsements.
: I didn't see any reason for lack of good manners. Everyone complained
: about Tonya's lack of Olympic sportsmanship, well what about Nancy's?
You are correct. She couldn't have changed it after the fact.
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Darius H Torchinsky
American media is starting to make a political thing out of it. I was
pretty upset to see our "unbiased" press trying to point out that the
cards were stacked against Kerrigan. They made a pretty big thing out
of the fact that former communist contries voted for Baiul, and that
the german judge was an east german. I was even more upset to see that
there was an AP article talking about the same thing.
Not that I'm defending Kerrigan, I think that she perhaps had some
very slight amount of justification to be angry, but for a different reason.
It must hit home pretty hard to lose after having been built up so
much by the media, and just about everybody else.
If there was anybody who had the cards stacked in her favor, it was
Kerrigan, who, in my opinion, skated a very flat and uninspiring
performance. And, if anybody was really screwed up by the judges, I
think that it would have to be Witt in the first round. While I didn't
watch the technical half, I heard that she skated perfectly. Even ESPN
was complaining about that...
I'm just glad that things finally caught up with Kerrigan, and that
the best skater won, in the end.
Darius Torchinsky
"Je ne pense plus..."
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Michael Cummings
Gregor) writes:
>I was trying to explain to a friend from SEA how it could be that America
>could not be filled with shame from this ordeal. He said that if the
>Nancy/Tonya "event" had happened in his country, neither would have gone to
>the olympics because it would bring shame to his country. I had to explain
>that America has no shame - it is a me-first culture, everyone else be
>damned. I don't think he ever understood.
Why should America be filled with shame? "America" didn't do anything.
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Ray
> I remember having watched Torvill and Dean on the podium several days
> ago. The Gold&Siver medalists were from Russia. Torvill and Dean
> are... not from Russia, as we very well know, but seemed to exhibit less
> unhappiness... In my oppinion Torvill and Dean's performance was
> worth the 1st place !
I don't recall the metal ceremony but I do recall what happened when
it was announced that Torvill and Dean lost. Dean walked off shaking his
head and Torvill stood there urging him to come back and then she just
stood there and smiled as if she thought Dean was taking it too hard.
-Ray
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2nd " " " , Cathy Turner
3rd " " " , Sylvie Daigle
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ell...@delphi.com
I don't exactly consider myself a Nancy Kerrigan fan or foe, but since
she came in second yesterday I've really been taken aback by her comments
and attitude. Or is everyone's surprise at her apparent catty comments
just due to the possible fact that we've been seeing her face plastered all
over the place without actually hearing her speak too much?
First, she made snide comments about Oksana Baiul's show of emotion. Then,
in an interview with CBS, she dismissed Baiul's performance (without having
seen it) rather snobbishly. When asked about Tonya Harding's boot lace
incident, she could barely contain her irritation at the interviewer. That's
not real surprising, but it's just been a bit of a shock for many people
to have been spoon-fed this image of sweet, marketable, stoic Nancy for all
this time and then find out she's as curt and short-tempered as the rest of
us.
And I'd like to know why everyone is focusing on the two-footed landing on
Baiul's jump as evidence that Nancy Kerrigan should have won. Ever heard of
other technical elements such as spinning and footwork? Could the judges
>possibly< have felt that Baiul was superior to Kerrigan in this regard?
Frankly, I'm beginning to wonder if Nancy's people kept speaking for her
because they were afraid she'd make snippy remarks like she's made over the
last 24 hours. Then again, I've always felt that while Nancy is good-looking,
she ruins the effect when she opens her mouth to speak. She's far more
expressive and articulate out on the ice (where she belongs) than in press
conferences, interviews, and that annoying Disneyland commercial. She comes
off as having the personality of a wet mop, IMO...
These are catty remarks I'm making, but then again, I'm not signing million-
dollar deals to let myself be plastered all over creation as "America's
Sweetheart."
Robert Nicholson
> Throughout most of the ceremony while the Ukrainian anthem was being
>played and especially at the end Kerrigan did not smile but had what best
>can be described, a grimace on her face.
But wait, didn't Kerrigan say after she skated that she didn't care
what she got just that she was happy she skated well.
Hypocrytical media darling.
Her facial expressions throughout the entire ceremony suggested that she
felt (or wanted the audience to feel) as though she had been cheated
out of a gold medal.
At the end of the day the best skater won.
Kerrigan came across as rather arrogant in a TV interview I saw.
Said something like "a got just _one_ more chance" referring to Harding
being allowed to skate again. "I never make excuses I just get on with
it" bla bla bla.
IHMO: A true champion would just keep her mouth shut about the whole
affair, that's a battle to be won or lost in court.
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Wes Morgan
>No amount of complaining after the event is going to change the results.
>Her mean-spirited comments about Oksana did change my impression of her
>temperament. After weeks of hearing about poor, sweet Nancy it was a shock
>to her remark so callously about Oksana's crying. And even though Oksana
>won the gold, Nancy's silver will bring her millions more in endorsements.
>I didn't see any reason for lack of good manners. Everyone complained
>about Tonya's lack of Olympic sportsmanship, well what about Nancy's?
Absolutely - that was uncalled for. Quite rude/unsportsmanlike...
I know that they were searching for the Ukranian anthem (The world champ
is coming, and you don't have her anthem? Poor planning...), but I wouldn't
have blamed Baiul if she *had* been putting on makeup - I'd sure want to
comb my hair/beard before getting an Olympic gold medal. 8)
--Wes
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: I wonder if the eternally gracious Ms. Kerrigan considered that maybe
: the reason Oksana Baiul was crying was because she had just had to skate
: a difficult and technically demanding program with an anaethesized
: leg containing several rather fresh stitches. I'd sure as heck
: be sobbing after that.
Or maybe she was crying because she missed her mother, and wished that
her mother could have seen arguably the best performance I have ever seen
a female figure skater deliver.
-ax
: Not only do her comments betray an extreme lack of sports[person]ship,
: but a lack of basic compassion for someone who is hurt. Rather ironic
: for someone who was all over the world's TV sets a few weeks ago screaming
: and howling after having her own leg injured....
I agree. I felt sorry for Nancy until I saw the tape of her reaction.
I experienced a lot of personal, painful, shocking trauma when I was a
child (12 and under), but even when I was a kid I never reacted to any
kind of pain in Nancy's whining, pitiful, despicable manner.
-max
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Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
Yes, I agree with you - the press really stinks. Now, after Kerrigan
missed her jumps and fell flat on her bottom in the exhibition aired
tonight on CBS, they claim that she was tired.
"What fools these mortals be!"
Regards,
Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
In article <CLv1A...@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>,
Malcolm D. Moore
personally, i thought nancy skated a better program than bayul. i
think the judges gave her a sympathy gold. nancy doubled her first 3
lutz but nailed everything else cleanly. bayul got higher technical
marks than did kerrigan.
my question is, why does it matter to nancy whether she gets gold or
silver? her ass oughta be happy she got a medal in the first place!
she's gonna clock tens of millions of dollars anyway, regardless of
whether she has a medal, thanks to the clackamas town tramp. i
figured all along that nancy was riding on that "innocent" cushion
ever since she got the beatdown. and now she gets to come home and i
have to see her and her 200% overbite gliding across my tv every time i come
home from work.
everybody's been so busy trashing tonya (not that she hasn't deserved
it) that we haven't paid attention to how kerrigan behaves. she just
seemed too stiff to me, to be any real innocent type of lady that would
be thrilled as BEJEEZUS to have a silver and be .1 point away from a
gold.
far as i'm concerned, they're both dogs. the tramp from crackamas for
thinking that if she hired an assault on her competition, she'd win the
medal, and nancy for both her little bitch last night and the fact
that she's making *eight* figures off a f*ckin beatdown.
-malcolm
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George Robbins
> In article <2kn9qi$o...@panix.com> boh...@panix.com (Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj) writes:
> >Greetings!
> >
> > Playing back the video of scenes while they were waiting
> >to get the medals, Nancy Kerrigan exhibited extreme impatience and
> >un-Olympic sportsmanship. Oksana Baiul was having her make-up reapplied (due
> >to her crying) causing Kerrigan to explain with a pouty gesture to the third
> >place winner "Come ooooooonnnnnnn! So she's gonna git out here and cry again!"
> >snottily complained the 2nd place skater, "What's the difference?". In the
>
> [ rest deleted ]
>
> I saw that too. I was surprised that CBS let that footage slip out, I guess
> they thought she wasn't going to act so snotty. I haven't seen anyone
> covering this aspect of Nancy's personality -- they just keep acting
> like she is soooo nice and happy about her Silver. After seeing that,
> I lost all respect for Nancy, and now think she's a total brat (I don't think
> she's smart enough to be called a "bitch")
What makes you think it "slipped out"? CBS "eavedropping mikes" pick up a
lot of random conversation, occasional they turn up the gain to so the
audience can pick out the words. In this case, I think CBS saw yet another
chance to crank the Tonya/Nancy and now Oksana controversy mill. You are
being manipulated!
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>I don't exactly consider myself a Nancy Kerrigan fan or foe, but since
>she came in second yesterday I've really been taken aback by her comments
>and attitude. Or is everyone's surprise at her apparent catty comments
>just due to the possible fact that we've been seeing her face plastered all
>over the place without actually hearing her speak too much?
Yes.
Her lack of sportsmanship, however, is outdone by the lack of
sportsmanship here on the net.
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If the mass media is so liberal, how come 95% is owned by individuals
whose politics are just slightly to the left of John Wayne?
Sandra Loosemore
far as i'm concerned, they're both dogs. the tramp from crackamas for
thinking that if she hired an assault on her competition, she'd win the
medal, and nancy for both her little bitch last night and the fact
that she's making *eight* figures off a f*ckin beatdown.
I think you're being quite unfair to Nancy here. Nancy had a
gazillion endorsements and offers even before she was attacked. (She
had arrangements with at least Campbell's, Reebok, and Seiko, had done
some random TV commercials and modelling for fashion magazines, was
making big bucks from appearing on tour and in pro-am competitions,
etc. I read somewhere that the Disney deal was reportedly in the
works before January, too.) Do you expect Nancy to refuse these
offers, crawl into a hole, and throw away her career because of
something that wasn't even her fault?
My $.02 worth on this is that Nancy's commercial success has more to
do with her striking looks than having been struck on the knee, or
even with her performance as a competitor. Anyone else remember that
commercial Coke was running back during the 1988 Olympics featuring an
American hockey player skating with a "Russian" skater in a pink
dress? That was Nancy, and this was a couple of years before anyone
started paying attention to her as a competitor or would have
recognized her name.
-Sandra
(will betray country for Toller Cranston)
Chien-Chung Chen
Sandra Loosemore <loosemor...@cs.yale.edu> wrote:
>Nancy had a
>gazillion endorsements and offers even before she was attacked.
Have Americans run out of idols? Gazillion endorsements and offers
even before her success? What for? I heard Christi Yamaguchi had
less endorsement money than Nancy Kerrigan, despite her much more
successful carrier in competition. Why?
>My $.02 worth on this is that Nancy's commercial success has more to
>do with her striking looks than having been struck on the knee, or
>even with her performance as a competitor.
This is something I really don't understand. Nancy has striking
looks? Gimme a break!
>-Sandra
>(will betray country for Toller Cranston)
--Chien-Chung Chen
(will never, ever betray country for Nancy Kerrigan's "striking
looks")
George Robbins
> I totally agree that Nancy Kerrigan displayed just about the
> poorest sportsmanship I have ever seen following a competition. I have
> never been a real fan, as I just don't think her programs are ever very
> challenging, but I have always thought that her good humor and
> sportsmanship have always been her saving graces. Now I am just resolved
> to the fact that she deserves her title of ice princess. Anyone who
> thinks that Tonya is a brat (I'm too polite to use harsher words) should
> take a look at this tape. She's certainly not the only one.
It's pretty sad, tired and cranky senior skater is impatient with junior
skater who just and one extended emotional outburst in front of the world.
On the other hand, it really isn't newsworthy and the only reason CBS
showed it was to try to crank up some Kerrigan/Baiul controversy to keep
the ratings up.
> Then later on in an interview she has the nerve to berate Oksana. Talk
> about a slap in the face to Oksana Baiul. She skates a beautiful program
> which was IMHO much more intricate and involving than Nancy's, and then she
> gets to hear her fellow medal winner saying she shouldn't have won.
I think "berates" is overstating the case. If we're talking about the same
interview, Nancy responded to a leading question. She stated that she hadn't
seen Oksana's whole program, but thought Oksana had blown one jump and had
two-footed landings on perhaps two others, while she know that in her program
she had only (gracefully) doubled one triple in an otherwise clean program
and was wondering why Oksana had won on a technical basis.
I don't think any of this was significant - Oksana seems to be a wonderful
skater and should only get better, Nancy can either accept the challenge or
settle for N-th place in the future.
By the way, what was the deal with Oksana - she completely broke down in
tears and sobbing from the time she stepped off the rink, to the end of
the scoring. This was intensely painful to watch and my sentiment was
that she needs to gain a bit more maturity. Maybe it was due to her injury
or fear that she had blown her program, but she needs to learn that she's
on stage as long as the camera's pointed in her direction. Did she do
anything like this after the short program?
George Robbins
> Fiona McQuarrie (fmcq...@atlas.cs.upei.ca) wrote:
>
> : Not only do her comments betray an extreme lack of sports[person]ship,
> : but a lack of basic compassion for someone who is hurt. Rather ironic
> : for someone who was all over the world's TV sets a few weeks ago screaming
> : and howling after having her own leg injured....
Who was screaming and howling? I'll give you whining and moaning in the
shock of her injury, but big deal. That kind of coping with pain, loss
and despair used to be considered a private moment until action-cam needed
something to juice up the 7:00 news. Most of us are *not* at our best in
such circumstances.
> I agree. I felt sorry for Nancy until I saw the tape of her reaction.
> I experienced a lot of personal, painful, shocking trauma when I was a
> child (12 and under), but even when I was a kid I never reacted to any
> kind of pain in Nancy's whining, pitiful, despicable manner.
Really? I find that little sound bite quite understandable - on the eve of
the Nationals, some bozo steps out of the crowd, in a safe and familiar
context, and starts hammering at your knee? You're sitting there suspecting
that you can't skate well in the Nationals, and wondering if the Olympics
and perhaps the rest of your career are history. A figure skater's knees
are perhaps the most fragile and irreperabable part of her skating future.
I empathsize strongly with her feelings at that moment "WHY ME?" - it's only
in hindsight that we know that Team Tonya wanted her out of the competition,
all she knew was "random creep attacks >> ME <<", why am I singled out for
the lighting bolt out of the blue, what have I done?
Dominic Scamporrino
^^^^^
A pretty horse.
Dominic
Kalle Kivimaa
>marks than did kerrigan.
Wrong. Oksana got worse technical marks than Nancy but outclassed
her in performance.
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Michael Murphy <merf...@sage.cc.purdue.edu> wrote:
[Editing...]
>Well, can you blame her? She lost by the narrowest of margins. Kerrigan is
>not exactly supposed to smile during the Ukranian national anthem. She's not
>from Ukraine! She from the USA. She was just glad that she was able to get
>the silver medal after all that's happened.
In the pairs competition, B&E looked extremely happy with the way they
skated despite receiving a bronze. In 1992, Midori Ito was ecstatic
at having recovered from a hard week and finishing with a silver medal.
Paul Wylie looked totally thrilled to come from no where and getting
a silver medal. In 1988, Elizabeth Manley was delighted to receive
a silver medal.
Kerrigan's post competition demeanour was very disappointing. She should
have been thrilled to have given her best performance. Maybe she should
give her medal to Kurt Browning.
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Terra Goodnight
>md...@netcom.com (Malcolm D. Moore) writes:
>
> far as i'm concerned, they're both dogs. the tramp from crackamas for
> thinking that if she hired an assault on her competition, she'd win the
> medal, and nancy for both her little bitch last night and the fact
> that she's making *eight* figures off a f*ckin beatdown.
>
>I think you're being quite unfair to Nancy here. Nancy had a
>gazillion endorsements and offers even before she was attacked. (She
>had arrangements with at least Campbell's, Reebok, and Seiko, had done
>some random TV commercials and modelling for fashion magazines, was
>making big bucks from appearing on tour and in pro-am competitions,
>etc. I read somewhere that the Disney deal was reportedly in the
>works before January, too.) Do you expect Nancy to refuse these
>offers, crawl into a hole, and throw away her career because of
>something that wasn't even her fault?
I never saw a Nancy Kerrigan ad on national TV until *after* her beating.
Malcolm's right. Maybe they made those ads, but they would have only
aired on the occasionally, hardly-watched telecasts on Saturday afternoon
of Nationals, Skate America, etc... and in Skating magazines. The
GENERAL PUBLIC who doesn't watch figure skating except every four years,
will never have seen those commercials until the big beatdown. And
whatever Disney paid her wa probably increased by at LEAST 10-fold
thanks to the new name recognition. Nobody I know among my sports-fan
friends had heard of Nancy Kerrigan before. They all know Kristi
Yamaguchi's name, but Nancy will out-perform Kristi, dollarwise like
Andre Agassi out-performs Michael Chang. They pay the people for
whose face people prefer to see on their cereal box, whether or not
they are the best. (not to say Michael Chang is that great, my brain
is just running short of examples)
>My $.02 worth on this is that Nancy's commercial success has more to
>do with her striking looks than having been struck on the knee, or
>even with her performance as a competitor.
I remember Katarina Witt getting more American TV commerical time than
Kristi Yamaguchi after the Albertville Olympics, and we have to all agree
that is mostly based on looks.
The sports talk radio shows around here have been discussing an interessing
sideline of the whole thing. Who do you think will make more in endorsements
Bonnie Blair or Nancy Kerrigan? Who DESERVES it? Well the answers are
obvious and the reason is probably 75% looks. When it comes to male
athletes, it's basically abilities, although your all-American pretty-boy
like Troy Aikman will draw a lot more than tough-guy, hold-out Emmitt Smith
will, regardless of abilities. Jackee Joyner Kersee has won a hell of a lot
more medals than Nancy can ever hope to, but she won't come near Nancy in
endorsement money, probably for racial reasons, and because people seem to
prefer women athletes to participate in "feminine" sports like figure
skating and gymnastics, not track and field. Gee I wonder if Gold-Medal
winning Dianne Roffe (whatever-her-last-name-is) gets more endorsement
dollars than pretty-girl, silver medalist, Picabo Street. (although,
being from Idaho, I'm happy to see Picabo become the media darling)
maybe I should move this to a group devoted to womens' sports, but
I don't know of one off the top of my head...
just talking outloud,
Terra
Hugo Higa
I completely agree that Kerrigan showed poor sportsmanship. During the
practive session when Baiul and the other skated collided, it was
reported that while other skaters went to the aid of the downed skaters,
Kerrigan continued skating her practice program. Sure, she may have been
intently concentrating on her routine, but there are things in life which
overshadow a gold metal- like compassion and concern for others. To me
this combined with the other incidents which occurred subsequent to her
silver metal finish reinforce my feelings that this woman is spoiled
brat. I think these things will come out once she starts opening her
mouth. She doesn't even seem to smile genuinely during interviews or
during other public appearances. I think the next few weeks will prove
to us that there is more out there than we've been led to believe.
Eugene Yevgeny Kholodenko
>In article <2kn9qi$o...@panix.com> boh...@panix.com (Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj) writes:
>>Greetings!
>>
>> Playing back the video of scenes while they were waiting
>>to get the medals, Nancy Kerrigan exhibited extreme impatience and
>>un-Olympic sportsmanship.
>
>
>For the first time in my life I have but to agree with Bohdan.
>
>Oksana is charming.
>Nancy is a bitch.
I don't know about charming... Have you seen her in her short dance costume
of "chernii lebyad" ??? That was quite ugly... But she's all right for a
Russian girl... She seems to be pretty intelligent and outspoken which is
just another rarity in an athlete of this caliber.
Gene Y.Kholodenko
Eugene Yevgeny Kholodenko
To this there's but one reply: Kerrigan has no class. She couldn't win in
competition and could not lose with dignity.
Gene Y.Kholodenko
Eugene Yevgeny Kholodenko
YES!!!! Gosh this is the first post ever on this topic in which all the author's
points and interpretations coincide with my own. So I'll just co-sign.
Gene Y.Kholodenko
Peter V.Vorobieff
>>Oksana is charming.
>>Nancy is a bitch.
>
>I don't know about charming... Have you seen her in her short dance costume
>of "chernii lebyad" ??? That was quite ugly...
Ponimal by chto v lebedyakh...
Hank Streeter
<ekho...@uceng.uc.edu> wrote (excerpted for brevity):
>I don't know about charming... Have you seen her in her short dance costume
>of "chernii lebyad" ??? That was quite ugly... But she's all right for a
>Russian girl...
She's not Russian - she's Ukrainian.
Larisa
anu...@neosoft.com
Jon Snook
In a previous article, ekho...@uceng.uc.edu (Eugene Yevgeny Kholodenko) says:
>In article <mdm2CLv...@netcom.com> md...@netcom.com (Malcolm D. Moore) writes:
>>okay, here's my o on the subject.
>>
>>far as i'm concerned, they're both dogs. the tramp from crackamas for
>>thinking that if she hired an assault on her competition, she'd win the
>>medal, and nancy for both her little bitch last night and the fact
Maybe Tonya wanted to off Nancy because she was just too damn annoying. :)
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Dano Paquette
>In article <2kqoqi...@FUNCTOR.SYSTEMSZ.CS.YALE.EDU>,
>Sandra Loosemore <loosemor...@cs.yale.edu> wrote:
>>Nancy had a
>>gazillion endorsements and offers even before she was attacked.
>Have Americans run out of idols? Gazillion endorsements and offers
>even before her success? What for? I heard Christi Yamaguchi had
>less endorsement money than Nancy Kerrigan, despite her much more
>successful carrier in competition. Why?
>This is something I really don't understand. Nancy has striking
>looks? Gimme a break!
You can find her unattractive if you want. Heck, you can even call
her 'horseface' like some of the others on the Kerriganbash parade.
But you are in the vast minority when discussing her physical beauty.
I must however say that Kristi looks great in those Wendy's ads!
Dan-o
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>I never saw a Nancy Kerrigan ad on national TV until *after* her beating.
>Malcolm's right. Maybe they made those ads, but they would have only
>aired on the occasionally, hardly-watched telecasts on Saturday afternoon
>of Nationals, Skate America, etc... and in Skating magazines. The
>GENERAL PUBLIC who doesn't watch figure skating except every four years,
>will never have seen those commercials until the big beatdown. And
The Campbell's Soup ad was for at least two months before the beatdown.
I saw it about 5 times during primetime and during Letterman. Never
underestimate the power of soup. :)
>whatever Disney paid her wa probably increased by at LEAST 10-fold
>thanks to the new name recognition. Nobody I know among my sports-fan
>friends had heard of Nancy Kerrigan before. They all know Kristi
>Yamaguchi's name, but Nancy will out-perform Kristi, dollarwise like
>Andre Agassi out-performs Michael Chang. They pay the people for
Did your friends know about Kristi because of her gold medal at
Albertville? Did they not notice Nancy winning the bronze on the
very same rink? She had a lot of attention that night also, what
with her blind mother and underdog status.
Matt Simmons
: friends had heard of Nancy Kerrigan before. They all know Kristi
: Kristi Yamaguchi after the Albertville Olympics, and we have to all agree
: that is mostly based on looks.
believe I heard that on this group, but I don't remember where)
: I remember Katarina Witt getting more American TV commerical time than
That's simple.. Witt's a goddess.. =)
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Dano Paquette <du...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>j...@quip.eecs.umich.edu (Chien-Chung Chen) writes:
>
>>This is something I really don't understand. Nancy has striking
>>looks? Gimme a break!
>
>You can find her unattractive if you want. Heck, you can even call
>her 'horseface' like some of the others on the Kerriganbash parade.
>But you are in the vast minority when discussing her physical beauty.
Well, I wouldn't call her "horseface". That's too cruel. But she
surely does not have "striking looks". At best, I am willing to
use "OK" to describe her looks. (Two days ago, I would say she had
"good personality". Now after hearing her sour-graped comments I am
not too sure about it.)
"Beauty is in the eyes of beholders." In my eyes, she is far from
being one. BTW, all her costumes are of bad taste, IMO.
>I must however say that Kristi looks great in those Wendy's ads!
Kristi, although doesn't own a striking look, has sweet smiles.
Also, her skating is very artistic, which makes people think she
is beautiful while they see she skates.
-- Chien-Chung Chen
99708000
In article <2krjeh$a...@news.doit.wisc.edu> Hugo Higa <hh...@facstaff.wisc.edu> writes:
>Re: Nancy Kerrigan is *obnoxious*
>I completely agree that Kerrigan showed poor sportsmanship. During the
>practive session when Baiul and the other skated collided, it was
>reported that while other skaters went to the aid of the downed skaters,
>Kerrigan continued skating her practice program. Sure, she may have been
This is crap.
They will only play the music as you practice your long program once.
This was what was happening at the time. It's perfectly reasonable that
Nancy would have continued.
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: You can find her unattractive if you want. Heck, you can even call
: her 'horseface' like some of the others on the Kerriganbash parade.
: But you are in the vast minority when discussing her physical beauty.
: I must however say that Kristi looks great in those Wendy's ads!
I've actually been rooting for Kerrigan. However, I, unlike many, don't
find her terribly attractive. I really don't think the *snort* she gave
a couple times (I think once after technical, the other ?) helped much.
I was in one of the school's "dining establishments" watching with others
and the whole audience seemed taken aback by her snort even if her
performance was, ioho, stunning. Her complaints don't help things much
(not to have anything to do with physical beauty, of course), but maybe
someone will look at the Olympic judging process--especially after
looking at Harding's and Mens' results. I read in the city newspaper
that there were _a lot_ of complaints about judging; of course Kerrigan
gets all the spotlight.
Dick Verweij
Because the canada judge gave a 5.5 !! to bayul for the technical part, the
judge was clearly in feavor of the USA. (To please them) The 5.5 mark was just
to little for such a great performance.
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don_bainbridge
>In article <merfster....@sage.cc.purdue.edu>,
>Michael Murphy <merf...@sage.cc.purdue.edu> wrote:
>
>[Editing...]
>
>>Well, can you blame her? She lost by the narrowest of margins. Kerrigan is
>>not exactly supposed to smile during the Ukranian national anthem. She's not
>>from Ukraine! She from the USA. She was just glad that she was able to get
>>the silver medal after all that's happened.
>
>In the pairs competition, B&E looked extremely happy with the way they
>skated despite receiving a bronze. In 1992, Midori Ito was ecstatic
>at having recovered from a hard week and finishing with a silver medal.
>Paul Wylie looked totally thrilled to come from no where and getting
>a silver medal. In 1988, Elizabeth Manley was delighted to receive
>a silver medal.
>
>Kerrigan's post competition demeanour was very disappointing. She should
>have been thrilled to have given her best performance. Maybe she should
>give her medal to Kurt Browning.
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The ideas expressed here are not those of my company,
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don_bainbridge
> I totally agree that Nancy Kerrigan displayed just about the
>poorest sportsmanship I have ever seen following a competition. I have
>never been a real fan, as I just don't think her programs are ever very
>challenging, but I have always thought that her good humor and
>sportsmanship have always been her saving graces. Now I am just resolved
>to the fact that she deserves her title of ice princess. Anyone who
>thinks that Tonya is a brat (I'm too polite to use harsher words) should
>take a look at this tape. She's certainly not the only one.
>about a slap in the face to Oksana Baiul. She skates a beautiful program
>which was IMHO much more intricate and involving than Nancy's, and then she
>gets to hear her fellow medal winner saying she shouldn't have won.
>
I can understand how Nancy might feel bad - she has gotten the gold
from the endorsements - she also wanted the gold medal. To have worked
so hard and been through so much and to have come so close - it has to
be disappointing. But it only 4 more years until the next (winter) olympics.
Let's hope that we will see Tonya, Michelle and Nancy there!
don_bainbridge
>If Nancy's reaction to losing to Baiul wasn't bad enough, now the
>American media is starting to make a political thing out of it. I was
>pretty upset to see our "unbiased" press trying to point out that the
>cards were stacked against Kerrigan. They made a pretty big thing out
>of the fact that former communist contries voted for Baiul, and that
>the german judge was an east german. I was even more upset to see that
>there was an AP article talking about the same thing.
First of all, I have to say I agree with all Darius has to say here.
The cards stacked against Kerrigan? Come on now - it was said before
the Olympics that neither Nancy nor Tonya were expected to medal -
now Nancy has a complaint about that? I think she was the recipient
of sympathy votes. That explains why her routine was sooo slack.
>Not that I'm defending Kerrigan, I think that she perhaps had some
>very slight amount of justification to be angry, but for a different reason.
>It must hit home pretty hard to lose after having been built up so
>much by the media, and just about everybody else.
>If there was anybody who had the cards stacked in her favor, it was
>Kerrigan, who, in my opinion, skated a very flat and uninspiring
>performance. And, if anybody was really screwed up by the judges, I
>think that it would have to be Witt in the first round. While I didn't
>watch the technical half, I heard that she skated perfectly. Even ESPN
>was complaining about that...
>I'm just glad that things finally caught up with Kerrigan, and that
>the best skater won, in the end.
>
>Darius Torchinsky
>
>"Je ne pense plus..."
>
>--Last words of Descartes
"J'ai du papier" - my first words in french
Christine Neidecker
>during other public appearances.
Could that be because every time she does, David Letterman or somebody
else makes fun of her "giant teeth"? With her overbite being her only
physical flaw, she was probably counselled to smile without showing
her teeth.
Or could it be because she's been followed around by dozens of reporters
for the last 2 months? Every time she steps out of her house it's a
public appearance. That would get old real fast.
I think she acted kinda bratty, too, but then, I never fell for the
America's Sweetheart line. If you didn't know anything about Nancy
before the attack, all you knew afterwards was that she worked hard
to recover and she said nothing about the attack (good strategy).
The surprise to me is not that she is expressing negative, petty feelings,
but that people expected her to have this perfect attitude towards the
whole deal. Many people *would* have a perfect attitude and would just
be happy to have been there, skated nearly flawlessly, and won a silver
medal -- but many humans have imperfect thoughts and attitudes -- why
not Nancy? Just because she's nearly perfect looking (with mouth shut)
and has skated nearly perfectly doesn't mean she's incapable of a
nasty thought.
She's just saying hers out loud now, instead of covering up with
sanctimonious cliches. That's unkind to Oksana, who was marvelous,
but I hope Oksana recognizes sour grapes when she sees 'em, and
just brushes off those comments.
I do fault Nancy for agreeing to the "America's Sweetheart" crap. She
doesn't have the personality and charisma to pull that off, nor the
purity of heart that is expected...and she should have been honest
with herself about that. Sure the money is tempting, but she seems
like somebody who'd truly be happier regaining some semblanace of a
private life and *not* doing this...especially since she's not qualified.
Yow, let's stop putting these athletes on pedestals!
Just my $.02
Chris
Robert Nicholson
> I can understand how Nancy might feel bad - she has gotten the gold
>from the endorsements - she also wanted the gold medal. To have worked
>so hard and been through so much and to have come so close - it has to
>be disappointing. But it only 4 more years until the next (winter) olympics.
>Let's hope that we will see Tonya, Michelle and Nancy there!
>
>Don Bainbridge
>
>The ideas expressed here are not those of my company,
>my family or my friends. They are mine alone.
>
>
You've got to be dreaming.
Nancy was there for one reason and one reason only. Money. I think I
heard something to the effect that she won't be at the next games the
other day. I don't think she's going to the WC's either?
Baiul will be there for sure. I'd love for Tonya to be their too
because then we would see what a hypocrite the US media is.
--
"You know what's wrong with you?" (Audrey Hepburn, Cary Grant)
"No, what?"
"Nothing" (Charade, 1963)
(ASCII for text only messages)
Roger Haaheim
that Oksana deserved the gold.
Eugene Yevgeny Kholodenko
>
>In a previous article, njdo...@iastate.edu (Norma J Dowell) says:
>
>>judges minds, thay were not going to reward either American skater any more
>>than they had to? The German judge could have given Oksana and Nancy marks
>>to end in a tie, but he/she chose the neighbor over the "snotty American".
>
>There are many who think the Americans should have been forbidden to
>compete in this olympics until they can get their act together.
>
>I was trying to explain to a friend from SEA how it could be that America
>could not be filled with shame from this ordeal. He said that if the
>Nancy/Tonya "event" had happened in his country, neither would have gone to
>the olympics because it would bring shame to his country. I had to explain
>that America has no shame - it is a me-first culture, everyone else be
>damned. I don't think he ever understood.
>
>Then, as a grand finale, the American Nancy Kerrigan who won a silver medal
>had the poor grace to criticize the gold medal winner publicly and claim
>unfair judging. This was a slap in the face to the rest of the world and
>especially to the Ukrainian gold medal winner Oksana Baijul.
>
>John
>
>
>
You are right in spirit. Remember, however, that in many countries, including
Europe the personal freedoms are limited and the athletes don't have much say
in what is done about them unless they truly reacxh stardom status... I can't
envision the Italians prohibiting Tomba to compete had he done something
they didn't like... The Olympics are still as political as ever.
Gene
Eugene Yevgeny Kholodenko
products.... Jeez, no offense, but one wouldn't hire a cripple to do
ballet, so why hire a less than awe-inspiring-beauty to show her face on TV
????
Gene
Eugene Yevgeny Kholodenko
I expected this response very much :) She does not know a single world in
Ukrainian and her Ukrainian citizenship is just as nominal as everyone else'
who happened to live in Ukraine when it separated. She represents a country of
Ukraine, but so did Misha withsomerussianlastname represented Israel...
gene
Eugene Yevgeny Kholodenko
:) I must admit I am ignorant in ornithology.... No lebyad is Bayul eto vse
ravno chto is Gordeevoi zemlekop.
Gene
Eugene Yevgeny Kholodenko
>After watching the exhibitions Saturday night, I was convinced
>that Oksana deserved the gold.
You mean after watching Kerrigan scate on her a*s??? :)
Gene
david.b.delorme
>In article <2kn9qi$o...@panix.com> boh...@panix.com (Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj) writes:
>>Greetings!
>>
>> Playing back the video of scenes while they were waiting
>>to get the medals, Nancy Kerrigan exhibited extreme impatience and
>>un-Olympic sportsmanship. Oksana Baiul was having her make-up reapplied (due
>>to her crying) causing Kerrigan to explain with a pouty gesture to the third
>>place winner "Come ooooooonnnnnnn! So she's gonna git out here and cry again!"
>>snottily complained the 2nd place skater, "What's the difference?". In the
>
>
>I saw that too. I was surprised that CBS let that footage slip out, I guess
>they thought she wasn't going to act so snotty. I haven't seen anyone
>covering this aspect of Nancy's personality -- they just keep acting
>like she is soooo nice and happy about her Silver. After seeing that,
>I lost all respect for Nancy, and now think she's a total brat (I don't think
>she's smart enough to be called a "bitch")
>
Woooooo! What a backlash against Nancy. She goes from Ice Princess
to Queen Bitch of the Universe just because of one casual, though
irreverent, remark. It seemed to me that Nancy was just joking
around. Many people have an irreverent sense of humor - just look
at the success of David Letterman. Just because someone makes an
irreverent joke, that's no reason to get all bent out of shape. It
was just a joke.
Since the competition, in all of Nancy's interviews, the interviewers
are blatantly trying to get her to say something "ungraceful." This
morning on "Good Morning America", Joan Lunden asked her something
to the effect of, "Doesn't make you angry to know that you skated so
well and ONLY got the silver?" I haven't heard her say anything
against Oskana, but she is obviously disappointed. What's wrong with
that? She's human.
David DeLorme
just another theatre geek
david.b.delorme <d...@cbnews.cb.att.com> wrote:
>Woooooo! What a backlash against Nancy. She goes from Ice Princess
>to Queen Bitch of the Universe just because of one casual, though
>irreverent, remark.
You have to wonder what Oksana thought of it; I doubt that she'd
be as sensitive as the rest of the net seems to be...
>Since the competition, in all of Nancy's interviews, the interviewers
>are blatantly trying to get her to say something "ungraceful." This
>morning on "Good Morning America", Joan Lunden asked her something
>to the effect of, "Doesn't make you angry to know that you skated so
>well and ONLY got the silver?" I haven't heard her say anything
>against Oskana, but she is obviously disappointed. What's wrong with
>that? She's human.
Not good enough. If you aren't perfect, you have to Blame the Victim.
--
Roger Tang, gwan...@u.washington.edu, Artistic Director PC Theatre
If the mass media is so liberal, how come 95% is owned by individuals
whose politics are just slightly to the left of John Wayne?
CHRIS MURRAY
Eduard Ponarin
Cathy Turner who wins her medals pushing her competitors away on
the rink.
Ed Ponarin,
e...@umich.edu
THESE OPINIONS MAY NOT COINCIDE WITH THOSE OF MY EMPLOYER
Swartz
>that Oksana deserved the gold.
Why? Because she danced around the rink with Petrenko? Maybe we should
give Bonaly the bronze for doing a backflip and landing on one leg? Please,
they are *exhibitions*. The fact that Kerrigan fell during her exhibition
performance and Baiul didn't doesn't mean anything.
BTW, it's kind of unfair to the women skaters to have to come back and
perform the day after their long program, especially with all of the
emotion involved.
John
--
JOHN A. SWARTZ---The MITRE Corporation---Bedford, Massachusetts
"Strange shapes light up the night. Never seen them though I
hope I might. Don't ask if they are real. The men in black -
their lips are sealed." Blue Oyster Cult
Swartz
>
>Nancy was there for one reason and one reason only. Money. I think I
>heard something to the effect that she won't be at the next games the
>other day. I don't think she's going to the WC's either?
>
>Baiul will be there for sure. I'd love for Tonya to be their too
>because then we would see what a hypocrite the US media is.
>
The fact that Kerrigan will has probably guaranteed herself more money than
you or I will ever see in our lifetimes does not mean that she was at the
Olympics solely for the money. Quite frankly, she would have been set for
life comfortably without going to the Olympics. The recent attack and
subsequent media frenzy made her a household word, but she's been aspiring
to go to the Olympics for some time now (recall she attended in '92?).
Kerrigan went to the Olympics to skate, because that is what she has been
training for 18 years to do, and because she loves to skate. She needed
to prove to everyone (and most importantly herself) that she could erase the
bad memories of her disaster at the '93 Worlds, and after the attack, she
also needed to prove that she could come back from such a personal tradgety.
Nancy has stated that she will be turning Pro soon, so she would need to
apply for re-instatement as an amateur to compete in '98 anyway. And since
she has proven what she needs to, if she doesn't wish to subject herself to
the extra rigours of training for an Olympic competition (and the media
circus that followed her this year), who could blame her? I believe that
she is undecided about the World's at this point -- I'm sure she needs to
take a break after what she's been through. Besides, all she could possibly
gain from competing is beating Baiul, and perhaps that is not as big a deal
as we are led to believe.
So, Nancy's off to DisneyWorld -- I hope she has a wonderful time, and gets
to have some rest. She's earned every bit of it.
Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj
Greetings,
My response is what a deputy in the Verkhovna Rada (Ukraine's
Parliament) in Kyyiv told me:
"We're all Ukrainians now. Some of us may be of Russian, Polish,
or Jewish ancestry, but this is now an independent country and
we all have to work together."
This is quite analogous to early America, in which people would
still think they're Virginian, a New Yorker, and even in some
cases (if they were off the boat) their original ethnic origin.
Bohdan Petro Rekshyns'kyj
RA...@slacvm.slac.stanford.edu
The last place to expect logical conbsistency is the cosmetic industry!!
rajagopalan
Max Ross Brenner
: This is something I really don't understand. Nancy has striking
: looks? Gimme a break!
I agree. Nancy is FAR from good looking. She reminds me more of Mr. Ed
than a beauty queen.
-max
--
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Richard N Kitchen
In a previous article, aq...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John Gregor) says:
>I was trying to explain to a friend from SEA how it could be that America
>could not be filled with shame from this ordeal. He said that if the
>Nancy/Tonya "event" had happened in his country, neither would have gone to
>the olympics because it would bring shame to his country. I had to explain
>that America has no shame - it is a me-first culture, everyone else be
>damned. I don't think he ever understood.
What did Kerrigan do prior to the Olympics to cause *her* to bring shame
on her country?
--
Rick Kitchen da...@cleveland.freenet.edu
"I can't function with this guillotine on my back."
--Margo Cody, "Black Tie Affair"
Jeff Dalton
>Greetings!
>
> Playing back the video of scenes while they were waiting
>to get the medals, Nancy Kerrigan exhibited extreme impatience and
>un-Olympic sportsmanship. Oksana Baiul was having her make-up reapplied
>(due to her crying) causing Kerrigan to explain with a pouty gesture to
>the third place winner "Come ooooooonnnnnnn! So she's gonna git out
>here and cry again!" snottily complained the 2nd place skater, "What's
>the difference?".
They had to wait a very long time in not very confortable looking
chairs and may well not have known why they were waiting. Perhaps
Kerrigan thought they were waiting forever for Baiul's makeup to
be temporarily fixed. In her place, I would have been much more
annoyed.
Jeff Dalton
>I wonder if the eternally gracious Ms. Kerrigan considered that maybe
>the reason Oksana Baiul was crying was because she had just had to skate
>a difficult and technically demanding program with an anaethesized
>leg containing several rather fresh stitches. I'd sure as heck
>be sobbing after that.
She wasn't complaining about crying but about redoing makeup.
I look forward to posts defending the importance of non-smudged makeup
and how unsporting it is to think it a relative triviality.
-- jd
Andrea Malone
Well, can you blame her? She lost by the narrowest of margins. Kerrigan is
not exactly supposed to smile during the Ukranian national anthem. She's not
from Ukraine! She from the USA. She was just glad that she was able to get
the silver medal after all that's happened.
Michael Murphy
merf...@sage.cc.purdue.edu
No, that's not true. She first said her purpose was to skate well,
because the awards were out of the hands of the competitors and up
to the judges. Then she made disparaging remarks about "two-footed
landings" of Oksana'a that amounted to the same thing as her own
missed triple. She sounded like a spoiled brat.
--
Andrea Malone | Technical Documentation | Mark V Systems
and...@markv.com | Technical Support | (818) 995-7671
Tamara D. Hicks
>
>After watching the exhibitions Saturday night, I was convinced
>that Oksana deserved the gold.
I'm no skater, but I couldn't agree more. I liked her routine in the exhibition
more, from a spectator standpoint.
Tamara
Richard Hoenes
: In article <2ksuou$3...@news.dtc.hp.com> r...@cdc.hp.com (Roger Haaheim) writes:
: >After watching the exhibitions Saturday night, I was convinced
: >that Oksana deserved the gold.
: Why? Because she danced around the rink with Petrenko? Maybe we should
: give Bonaly the bronze for doing a backflip and landing on one leg? Please,
: they are *exhibitions*. The fact that Kerrigan fell during her exhibition
: performance and Baiul didn't doesn't mean anything.
: BTW, it's kind of unfair to the women skaters to have to come back and
: perform the day after their long program, especially with all of the
: emotion involved.
I dunno, I kinda liked watching them fall on their butts. :)
If nothing else, it showed they were human.
Though Oksana Baiul and Surya Bonaly certainly showed even more.
Richard
Peter V.Vorobieff
>>>I don't know about charming... Have you seen her in her short dance costume
>>>of "chernii lebyad" ??? That was quite ugly...
>>
>>Ponimal by chto v lebedyakh...
>
>
>:) I must admit I am ignorant in ornithology.... No lebyad is Bayul eto vse
>ravno chto is Gordeevoi zemlekop.
Nu, ponimal by chto v zemlekopakh :@P
don_bainbridge
>In article <2koolf$4...@maya.cs.nyu.edu> e...@cs.nyu.edu (Emery Lapinski) writes:
>>In article <2kn9qi$o...@panix.com> boh...@panix.com (Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj) writes:
>>>Greetings!
>Woooooo! What a backlash against Nancy. She goes from Ice Princess
>to Queen Bitch of the Universe just because of one casual, though
>irreverent, remark. It seemed to me that Nancy was just joking
>around. Many people have an irreverent sense of humor - just look
>at the success of David Letterman. Just because someone makes an
>irreverent joke, that's no reason to get all bent out of shape. It
>was just a joke.
>
>Since the competition, in all of Nancy's interviews, the interviewers
>are blatantly trying to get her to say something "ungraceful." This
>morning on "Good Morning America", Joan Lunden asked her something
>to the effect of, "Doesn't make you angry to know that you skated so
>well and ONLY got the silver?" I haven't heard her say anything
>against Oskana, but she is obviously disappointed. What's wrong with
>that? She's human.
happy though. She was not even supposed to medal (I think the
advance prediction for her was about 7th or so). The sympathy vote
came through for her though and got her the silver. She should be
happy with that...but noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She should have graciously smiled while waiting for Oskana to get
ready for the medal ceremony. Do you think Oskana will become
a millionaire for her gold? - I think not!
She is a millionaire now, so she can do as she pleases. She does
not need the Olympics any more.
Don Bainbridge
"...I want it all...and I want it now....." - Queen
Fiona McQuarrie
(and received medals at them) should know what is funny and what isn't.
Particularly someone who has been in the eye of the media since
January - you would hope she would realize that micro-attention wasn't
going to go away once the competition ended.
In any case, assuming that she has gone from Ice Princess to Queen B*tch
of the Universe also assumes that everyone thought she was the Ice Princess
before. Some of us didn't :) I wouldn't necessarily label her with
the new tag, but I do think she has the experience to know what is
appropriate behaviour and what isn't, and she sure isn't demonstrating
any grace under pressure. Comments like "oh, she [Oksana Baiul] didn't
get deductions for some things, so they [judges] must have been starting
at 6.2 or 6.3" are completely uncalled for. IMHO if the judges made
the deductions they should have for Kerrigan's lack of artistry and
interpretation, she wouldn't even be on the medal podium.
Fiona McQuarrie
fmcq...@atlas.cs.upei.ca
Babar Junaid
>In article <2koolf$4...@maya.cs.nyu.edu> e...@cs.nyu.edu (Emery Lapinski) writes:
>>In article <2kn9qi$o...@panix.com> boh...@panix.com (Bohdan Peter Rekshynskyj) writes:
>>>Greetings!
>>>
>>> Playing back the video of scenes while they were waiting
>>>to get the medals, Nancy Kerrigan exhibited extreme impatience and
>>>un-Olympic sportsmanship. Oksana Baiul was having her make-up reapplied (due
>>>to her crying) causing Kerrigan to explain with a pouty gesture to the third
>>>place winner "Come ooooooonnnnnnn! So she's gonna git out here and cry again!"
>>>snottily complained the 2nd place skater, "What's the difference?". In the
>>
>>[ rest deleted ]
>>
>>I saw that too. I was surprised that CBS let that footage slip out, I guess
>>they thought she wasn't going to act so snotty. I haven't seen anyone
>>covering this aspect of Nancy's personality -- they just keep acting
>>like she is soooo nice and happy about her Silver. After seeing that,
>>I lost all respect for Nancy, and now think she's a total brat (I don't think
>>she's smart enough to be called a "bitch")
>>
>
>Woooooo! What a backlash against Nancy. She goes from Ice Princess
>to Queen Bitch of the Universe just because of one casual, though
>irreverent, remark. It seemed to me that Nancy was just joking
>around.
From the grim look she had on her face, you could easily tell that she
wasn't joking!! She was just jealous of Oksana, and she couldn't hold
it back!!!!!!!!!
99708000
>Nancy has stated that she will be turning Pro soon, so she would need to
>apply for re-instatement as an amateur to compete in '98 anyway. And since
I thought that it was a one-time opportunity that has expired.
Can you go back and forth like a ping pong ball?
--
-Rob Strand
From Bitnet: rob@ucscvm From Internet: r...@ucscvm.ucsc.edu
Babar Junaid
I wanted some feedback on the following. Everyone is still saying
that Kerrigan did a wonderful job of coming back to skate after the
icident in detroit about 6 weeks ago. I haven't, however, heard any
network praise Oksana for coming back to win the gold medal, only one
day after she received 3 stitches in her shin, not to mention the fact
that she hurt her back too. I think that Oksana's comeback was truly
great, as no one expected her to skate after she had left practices as
a result of the pain!
Another thing is that if the same thing had happened with Nancy, I
mean she won the gold (yeah right!) and Oksana got the silver by the
same margin of points, then no one would have been saying that Oksana
was robbed. I can bet that everyone would have been saying that Nancy
was better and so she got the gold!!!!! BUT SHE DIDN'T, SO CLEARLY
SHE IS NOT BETTER!!!!
Pasi Jouhikainen
[in the Kerrigan/Bayul - shame/critisism discussion]
>You are right in spirit. Remember, however, that in many countries, including
>Europe the personal freedoms are limited and the athletes don't have much say
>in what is done about them unless they truly reacxh stardom status... I can't
>envision the Italians prohibiting Tomba to compete had he done something
>they didn't like... The Olympics are still as political as ever.
>Gene
"...in many countries, including Europe..." ?
This must be one of those new countries which have lately emerged more
rapidly than even the map-publishers would care for. I wonder if it's
anything like that banana and coffee producing America, the Eskimo country
whose bold and beautiful people wear sombreros, eat hamburgers and smoke
Havanas.
Pasi%
aka%Yode Kenwood and Sony are stereo types?
Christine Neidecker
>
>No, that's not true. She first said her purpose was to skate well,
>because the awards were out of the hands of the competitors and up
>to the judges. Then she made disparaging remarks about "two-footed
>landings" of Oksana'a that amounted to the same thing as her own
>missed triple. She sounded like a spoiled brat.
>
The more I think about this, the more sorry I feel for Nancy. Who
wouldn't love to be in her skates right now? She didn't "lose", she
won an Olympic silver medal! How much better can you expect life to
get, outside of goin' to DisneyWorld? I hope her perspective on all
this improves soon so she can enjoy all the good things that happened
last week.
(Gosh, I sound like my mother!)
Chris
just another theatre geek
Andrea Malone <and...@hermix.markv.com> wrote:
>No, that's not true. She first said her purpose was to skate well,
>because the awards were out of the hands of the competitors and up
>to the judges. Then she made disparaging remarks about "two-footed
>landings" of Oksana'a that amounted to the same thing as her own
>missed triple.
Then she's being VERY charitable. A two-footed landing is,
technically, WORSE than a doubled triple.
Sandra Loosemore
>Nancy has stated that she will be turning Pro soon, so she would need to
>apply for re-instatement as an amateur to compete in '98 anyway. And since
I thought that it was a one-time opportunity that has expired.
Can you go back and forth like a ping pong ball?
Not quite. The way things are now, pros can still re-instate, but the
ISU is likely to consider closing the door again at its meeting this
summer. Anyway, under the current setup, reinstatement is a one-time
deal; if you lose eligibility again, you're out for good.
I wonder if Nancy is using "turning pro" in a loose sense, in the same
way that Scott Hamilton is a full-time "pro" but is eligible for
amateur competition if he wanted to do it . Nancy's contracts with
Disney and such like were obviously engineered to fit within the
USFSA's eligibility requirements.
-Sandra
Swartz
>
> Nothing wrong with her being disappointed. She should feel very
>happy though. She was not even supposed to medal (I think the
>advance prediction for her was about 7th or so). The sympathy vote
>came through for her though and got her the silver. She should be
Those of you who still think that she only medaled due to "sympathy"
obviously know nothing about figure skating. And whether you like to
believe it or not, Kerrigan had to have been considered at least a
medal favorite. I'd be curious to know what "advance prediction"
placed her at 7th -- it obviously wasn't from an informed source.
>happy with that...but noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>She should have graciously smiled while waiting for Oskana to get
>ready for the medal ceremony. Do you think Oskana will become
>a millionaire for her gold? - I think not!
Don't be too sure of that. I hear Oksana may be coming to the states,
perhaps to help train skaters. She might very well make $$$ on endorsements
or shows -- the book is far from closed on Baiul's story. Not that I'm
against her doing that, mind you. If she can capitalize financially on
her success, there is no reason why she shouldn't. But don't tell me how
this poor sweet girl will never make any money from her Olympic gold medal!
Matt Smith
: I heard Kerrigan signed a contract with Revlon to advertise the cosmetics
: products.... Jeez, no offense, but one wouldn't hire a cripple to do
: ballet, so why hire a less than awe-inspiring-beauty to show her face on TV
: ????
Because then if they make her look good, it becomes a much better
product... ;)
: Gene
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Ivan L. Chong
In article <merfster....@sage.cc.purdue.edu> merf...@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Michael Murphy) writes:
Well, can you blame her? She lost by the narrowest of margins. Kerrigan is
not exactly supposed to smile during the Ukranian national anthem. She's not
from Ukraine! She from the USA. She was just glad that she was able to get
the silver medal after all that's happened.
Michael Murphy
merf...@sage.cc.purdue.edu
No, that's not true. She first said her purpose was to skate well,
because the awards were out of the hands of the competitors and up
to the judges. Then she made disparaging remarks about "two-footed
landings" of Oksana'a that amounted to the same thing as her own
missed triple. She sounded like a spoiled brat.
I agree completely with Andrea's post. On every interview before
the skating competition, Nancy said that her goal was to skate her
best and that it was up to the judges after that. Everytime someone
asked her, "But Nancy, aren't you going for the gold?" Nancy would
respond that she was there at the Olympics simply to do her best
and to show everyone what she was capable of. One reporter even asked
her if she would be disappointed if she didn't get the gold, and she
answered that she wouldn't be because she knows inside how good she
is. So, she does appear to be acting rather hypocritical.
223...@msu.edu
>>In article <CLwxK...@uceng.uc.edu>, Eugene Yevgeny Kholodenko
>><ekho...@uceng.uc.edu> wrote (excerpted for brevity):
>>>Russian girl...
>> ^^^^^^^
>>She's not Russian - she's Ukrainian.
>>
>>Larisa
>>anu...@neosoft.com
>
>I expected this response very much :) She does not know a single world in
>Ukrainian and her Ukrainian citizenship is just as nominal as everyone else'
knows English a little.
Is citizenship of the USA nominal one?
>who happened to live in Ukraine when it separated. She represents a country of
Not everyne has the right for citizenship of Ukraine; for example, there exists
5 year naturalization period.
>Ukraine, but so did Misha withsomerussianlastname represented Israel...
of Israel ever participated in the Winter Olympics.
>gene
Basil
George Robbins
> I heard Kerrigan signed a contract with Revlon to advertise the cosmetics
> products.... Jeez, no offense, but one wouldn't hire a cripple to do
> ballet, so why hire a less than awe-inspiring-beauty to show her face on TV
You've got it backwards - take a reasonably handsome girl, dress her up,
full makeup and hair treatment and portray in elegant situations and you'll
sell a lot of stuff. You may by trying to imply that Kerrigan is ugly, but
skating costumes generally aren't flattering and she's got plenty of make-over
potential.
--
George Robbins - now working for, work: to be avoided at all costs...
but no way officially representing: uucp: ...!rutgers!cbmvax!grr
Commodore, Engineering Department domain: g...@cbmvax.commodore.com
Robert Nicholson
>In article <ANDREA.94F...@hermix.markv.com>,
>Andrea Malone <and...@hermix.markv.com> wrote:
>>No, that's not true. She first said her purpose was to skate well,
>>because the awards were out of the hands of the competitors and up
>>to the judges. Then she made disparaging remarks about "two-footed
>>landings" of Oksana'a that amounted to the same thing as her own
>>missed triple.
>
> Then she's being VERY charitable. A two-footed landing is,
>technically, WORSE than a doubled triple.
Yes but she made up for that with another tripple.
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|>I agree completely with Andrea's post. On every interview before
|>the skating competition, Nancy said that her goal was to skate her
|>best and that it was up to the judges after that. Everytime someone
|>asked her, "But Nancy, aren't you going for the gold?" Nancy would
|>respond that she was there at the Olympics simply to do her best
|>and to show everyone what she was capable of. One reporter even asked
|>her if she would be disappointed if she didn't get the gold, and she
|>answered that she wouldn't be because she knows inside how good she
|>is. So, she does appear to be acting rather hypocritical.
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I just wanted to point out that *any* competitive athlete especially at this
level would answer these questions this way at each of these times. You would
have received almost the same answers out of the Canadian hockey players,
if asked at the start/end of the Olympics.
-Jay Feenan
Babar Junaid
I agree too. It was a breathtaking routine which she performed! She
also did a good job with Victor Petrenko, a routine which she
performed right after her own.
Babar Junaid
Kerrigan has been going on for quite some time now about Oksana
getting the gold, although she (Kerrigan) skated better than her.
There is something wrong here that no one has noticed yet! Kerrigan
has also been saying that she hasn't had the time to watch Oksana's
performance as she has been busy. Well dummy, then how come you know
so much about her performance all of a sudden! Does she just think
that Oksana must have done a lesser performance than her. She hasn't
even watched her own performance for crying out loud!! I don't think
that she has the nerves to sit down and watch Oksana.....only to find
out that she (Oksana) was better than her!!!!!!!
Blondie
You have my complete agreement. Why people continue to sing the praises
of The Rude Wimp is beyond me. How anyone can complain of the judges
being biased against Nancy when they have so often been biased towards her
is also more than I can fathom. Nancy may be a good skater, but she couldn't
hold a candle to Oksana, and keep in mind that that was on a bad day.