Wreckfest 2007
John Hanson
detail. Here goes this one.
My flight out of MSP was delayed due to a tornado and the airport
having one of its main runways out of commission. I called Curtis to
let him know that my flight would be delayed and he ended up picking
me up around 1:45 AM Friday morning. Like our last trip, our journey
down to Key Largo was filled with some excellent conversation. I did
manage to get in about an hour nap and we arrived at Silent World
around...hmmm, don't remember...7:00 or 8:00.
I met a lot of the main divers in the WKPP Wakulla expedition at the
dive shop. JJ, Casey, Mike, Jim, Scott, etc. as well as the beautiful
Sonya. Just like others that I've met at the top of their game in
their particular sport, these people are super nice people.
We didn't have a full compliment of divers that morning so they put us
all on one boat. I was the only non-WKPP/non-DIR/non-Halcyon/non-GUE
diver there but that didn't make a damn bit of difference to those
guys. I was expecting to get a sales pitch about DIR/Halcyon and it
never came all weekend. We did a dip on the Spiegel Grove and then
came back in to pick up the rest of the divers. Curtis and I jumped
over to the "shallow" boat and went out and did two dives on a reef by
a lighthouse. Well, I did two dives. Curtis only did one so I dove
with Ray on the second.
The next morning, we dove the Duane. I did my first mandatory deco
dive on that wreck. I don't recall how deep I went (120 FSW I think)
or how long the dive was but it was over 50 minutes (close to an hour
I believe). Afterwards, I slipped Curtis a mickey so that I could
hopefully dive with Sonya. She felt sorry for me being buddy less and
allowed me to buddy with her on a reef dive that afternoon. I only
had about 2400 psi in a steel 85 plus my mask kept leaking so it
turned out to be a short dive with an average depth of about 65 feet.
I think she had enough of me and sat out the second so I dove with Ray
and Andrew on the City of Washington.
The next morning, we did a double dip on the Spiegel. The current was
just ripping that morning so Captain Bob dropped us on the bow ball to
start the second dive and then moved to the ball on the pilot house
where we all came up. It made for a longer, more pleasant dive.
Well, we came back to the dock to basically drop everyone else off and
to pick up a DM (I forget his name) who wanted to dive the Bibb. We
splashed in after the DM who's dive plan was to hang out with us until
he burned a third or so of his air and he would head to the surface.
He lost us right away as I dropped to the sand and Curtis hung above
me at about 120. I hit a new low for me at 135 FSW. Curtis and I
then went on to start our first of two loops (in a very ripping
current...sheesh) around the Bibb when the DM found us again and
motioned that he was going up. We headed up a while later and I ended
up having a total dive time of about 50 minutes with the mandatory
deco stops. It was the first dive on the Bibb for all three of us.
I think by far the Bibb was the best wreck we dove this past weekend.
Lots of fish and it almost seemed like a virgin wreck to me due to us
being the only boat on the wreck and just the three of us divers.
This was by far my best vacation ever. The folks at Silent World as
well as the GUE/Halcyon people were just great. The seminars were
very informative and well presented. The weather was perfect, the
diving was great and all the people involved were absolutely great to
dive, eat and socialize with. I look forward to next year!
Hmmm, this is a lot longer than I thought it would be.
ben bradlee
"John Hanson" <jha...@northernlinks.com> wrote in message
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>
> Hmmm, this is a lot longer than I thought it would be.
It was good too. Thanks for sharing.
-hh
> Well, my trip reports are like my log book entries, short and not much
> detail. Here goes this one.
>
Saw that mess recently on the weather charts...we were busy trying to
fly into VPS (Tropical Depression came ashore there over this past
weekend).
> I was expecting to get a sales pitch about DIR/Halcyon and it
> never came all weekend.
Curtis probably tipped them off into giving you a free ride on the
first exposure...either that, or things have really changed without G3
being around anymore :-)
> The next morning, we did a double dip on the Spiegel.
> The current was just ripping that morning so Captain Bob
> dropped us on the bow ball to start the second dive and
> then moved to the ball on the pilot house where we all
> came up. It made for a longer, more pleasant dive.
I've seen this sort of technique used before, as a comprimise between
a drift dive and being on a mooring. It does work quite well (as you
found), but this does assume that all of the divers actually pay
attention to what the plan is during the pre-dive briefing.
> It was the first dive on the Bibb for all three of us.
One of these years, I'll get to the Duane & Bibb. Won't be this year
for sure.
> This was by far my best vacation ever. The folks at Silent World as
> well as the GUE/Halcyon people were just great. The seminars were
> very informative and well presented. The weather was perfect, the
> diving was great and all the people involved were absolutely great to
> dive, eat and socialize with. I look forward to next year!
>
> Hmmm, this is a lot longer than I thought it would be.
Glad you enjoyed yourself & nice report.
-hh
Curtis
> detail. Here goes this one.
Short & sweet, to the point. :-)
> My flight out of MSP was delayed due to a tornado and the airport
> having one of its main runways out of commission. I called Curtis to
> let him know that my flight would be delayed and he ended up picking
> me up around 1:45 AM Friday morning. Like our last trip, our journey
> down to Key Largo was filled with some excellent conversation. I did
> manage to get in about an hour nap and we arrived at Silent World
> around...hmmm, don't remember...7:00 or 8:00.
Closer to 8:00, due to the service center nap.....think you got a few
minutes more before we got there.
> I met a lot of the main divers in the WKPP Wakulla expedition at the
> dive shop. JJ, Casey, Mike, Jim, Scott, etc. as well as the beautiful
> Sonya. Just like others that I've met at the top of their game in
> their particular sport, these people are super nice people.
That would be Mark, and David.
> We didn't have a full compliment of divers that morning so they put us
> all on one boat. I was the only non-WKPP/non-DIR/non-Halcyon/non-GUE
> diver there but that didn't make a damn bit of difference to those
> guys. I was expecting to get a sales pitch about DIR/Halcyon and it
> never came all weekend. We did a dip on the Spiegel Grove and then
> came back in to pick up the rest of the divers. Curtis and I jumped
> over to the "shallow" boat and went out and did two dives on a reef by
> a lighthouse. Well, I did two dives. Curtis only did one so I dove
> with Ray on the second.
Great dive on the S.G. John and I were first in and down, electing to
try one longer dive instead of the traditional "double dip". Managed to do
20 minutes on the wreck, not bad for conditions and John diving singles.
I did eventually jump in for the third, a shortie, linked up with Mark as
he did the finals for two new Fundies students. Needed and wanted to get
into the water, figured the fish weren't hungry yet. ;-)
> The next morning, we dove the Duane. I did my first mandatory deco
> dive on that wreck. I don't recall how deep I went (120 FSW I think)
> or how long the dive was but it was over 50 minutes (close to an hour
> I believe).
25 minutes on the wreck, I registered 50 total, but you could well have
read a couple more due to our positions.
Interesting note, by using tables rather than a computer, I stayed
within NDLs all weekend, although I use a liberal set. Another note, John
did his own dives using his computer, quite competantly and compatibly.
> Afterwards, I slipped Curtis a mickey so that I could
> hopefully dive with Sonya. She felt sorry for me being buddy less and
> allowed me to buddy with her on a reef dive that afternoon. I only
> had about 2400 psi in a steel 85 plus my mask kept leaking so it
> turned out to be a short dive with an average depth of about 65 feet.
> I think she had enough of me and sat out the second so I dove with Ray
> and Andrew on the City of Washington.
Much the diplomat.
Actually, AJ asked if I bettered my projectile record, had to admit was
trying for penetration this time, and no one volunteered to measure depth.
First time since my OW I remember getting sick on the boat, past couple
times has been in the water.
I introduced myself to "Dramamine" for Sunday.
> The next morning, we did a double dip on the Spiegel. The current was
> just ripping that morning so Captain Bob dropped us on the bow ball to
> start the second dive and then moved to the ball on the pilot house
> where we all came up. It made for a longer, more pleasant dive.
Captain Bob, or Captain PADI to some, was ours for all but the first,
when we rode on AJ's boat. Very personable and capable boat Captain, and
very relaxed with divers he knew were competant. Same goes for AJ.
> Well, we came back to the dock to basically drop everyone else off and
> to pick up a DM (I forget his name) who wanted to dive the Bibb. We
> splashed in after the DM who's dive plan was to hang out with us until
> he burned a third or so of his air and he would head to the surface.
> He lost us right away as I dropped to the sand and Curtis hung above
> me at about 120. I hit a new low for me at 135 FSW. Curtis and I
> then went on to start our first of two loops (in a very ripping
> current...sheesh) around the Bibb when the DM found us again and
> motioned that he was going up. We headed up a while later and I ended
> up having a total dive time of about 50 minutes with the mandatory
> deco stops. It was the first dive on the Bibb for all three of us.
> I think by far the Bibb was the best wreck we dove this past weekend.
> Lots of fish and it almost seemed like a virgin wreck to me due to us
> being the only boat on the wreck and just the three of us divers.
Beautiful wreck, it's being on its side made it more interesting for me.
Looping around the crow's nest in the shadow from the current was an awesome
viewing. Definitely one to return to. Was the only wreck where I left the
stage behind, definitely felt less current.
> This was by far my best vacation ever. The folks at Silent World as
> well as the GUE/Halcyon people were just great. The seminars were
> very informative and well presented. The weather was perfect, the
> diving was great and all the people involved were absolutely great to
> dive, eat and socialize with. I look forward to next year!
Me too.
I suspect John will be in dubs also by then, and ready to up another
notch.
> Hmmm, this is a lot longer than I thought it would be.
Saved me some work, nice report.
Curtis
Curtis
"-hh" wrote
>> I was expecting to get a sales pitch about DIR/Halcyon and it
>> never came all weekend.
> Curtis probably tipped them off into giving you a free ride on the
> first exposure...either that, or things have really changed without G3
> being around anymore :-)
See what happens when you listen to too many one sided comments? ;-)
>> The next morning, we did a double dip on the Spiegel.
>> The current was just ripping that morning so Captain Bob
>> dropped us on the bow ball to start the second dive and
>> then moved to the ball on the pilot house where we all
>> came up. It made for a longer, more pleasant dive.
> I've seen this sort of technique used before, as a comprimise between
> a drift dive and being on a mooring. It does work quite well (as you
> found), but this does assume that all of the divers actually pay
> attention to what the plan is during the pre-dive briefing.
Considering this was day three with the same group, and these were ocean
trained GUE divers as well as John and I, would you expect any less than
plan followed?
John and I watched Slate unhook and Capt Bob hook while on the line.
Back-up plan was if Slate had divers still in, we'd surface on the ball, let
him know we were with SW, wait for Capt Bob to acknowledge us, then drift to
our unmoored boat from there.
>> It was the first dive on the Bibb for all three of us.
>
> One of these years, I'll get to the Duane & Bibb. Won't be this year
> for sure.
I for one would love to dive with you again, sure John agrees. Give
warning when you wanna hit FL.
Curtis
nitespark
> Actually, AJ asked if I bettered my projectile record, had to admit was
> trying for penetration this time, and no one volunteered to measure depth.
> First time since my OW I remember getting sick on the boat, past couple
> times has been in the water.
>
> I introduced myself to "Dramamine" for Sunday.
>
Bonine works good also. Take one the night before and then one about 30
minutes before getting on the boat. Also don't go out on the boat on an
empty stomach. Don't eat a heavy breakfast, but an empty stomach is
about the worse thing you can do.
Bonine does not make me drousy.
Curtis
>> I introduced myself to "Dramamine" for Sunday.
>>
>
> Bonine works good also. Take one the night before and then one about 30
> minutes before getting on the boat. Also don't go out on the boat on an
> empty stomach. Don't eat a heavy breakfast, but an empty stomach is about
> the worse thing you can do.
>
> Bonine does not make me drousy.
Dramamine was on the shelf at Publix. Took 2 night before, 2 after a
great Southern breakfast, and 2 between boat rides. Only thing I noticed
was felt clumsy putting on my fins, standing on one foot wearing doubles.
Cured that by slipping into them, and letting the crew slide the spring
traps over my heels. Very good crew, helpful as needed.
Seas were not really bad at all, maybe 2-3 ft. Not sure why this time,
but I'm still thinking "no waves in caves".
Curtis
chilly
"Curtis" <cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Sometimes it is not the size of the wave so much as how they are waving at
ya.
I almost never get seasick, but I've felt queasy standing on a floating
dock. Know what I mean?
Dan Bracuk
resulting in:
:Well, my trip reports are like my log book entries, short and not much
:detail. Here goes this one.
Sounds like a lot of fun. Did you see any fish?
Dan Bracuk
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Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
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I was never sea or airsick a day in my life before I started diving.
I use Triptone, and only one hit at a time, every twelve hours when
diving.
I got one of those DAN anti-seasickness watch thingies, but haven't
tried/used it yet.
Lee Bell
>>> I was expecting to get a sales pitch about DIR/Halcyon and it
>>> never came all weekend.
>
>> Curtis probably tipped them off into giving you a free ride on the
>> first exposure...either that, or things have really changed without G3
>> being around anymore :-)
The guys that were there were never the ones that were a problem. JJ, in
particular, has always been a gentleman, even when faced with hard
opposition. It's almost a shame they didn't give a demonstration. There are
good reasons they do what they do and a rational, non confrontational
explanation is worth listening to. There's still more than one way to dive,
but there's no harm in having more information before deciding what your way
is.
Lee
Lee Bell
> Bonine works good also. Take one the night before and then one about 30
> minutes before getting on the boat. Also don't go out on the boat on an
> empty stomach. Don't eat a heavy breakfast, but an empty stomach is about
> the worse thing you can do.
>
> Bonine does not make me drousy.
Bonine used to be the recommended medication, but the formula changed since
it was originally introduced. Neither Bonine nor Dramamine causes me any
noticable problems, but I still prefer to use Bonine when diving.
Lee
John Hanson
wrote in rec.scuba:
>John Hanson <jha...@northernlinks.com> pounded away at his keyboard
>resulting in:
>
>:Well, my trip reports are like my log book entries, short and not much
>:detail. Here goes this one.
>
>Sounds like a lot of fun. Did you see any fish?
>
Lots of fish. A turtle and a couple of rays too.
Greg Mossman
Is that the zapper? I think I like being seasick better than enduring
that thing. It's like an electrified Chinese water torture, probably
designed to convince the wearer that there are worse things than being
seasick so tough it up.
I just wish the damn "disease" was at least consistent. Problem is
that you practically never know when it's going to get you. I can be
just fine, even reading a book, in high seas one day, then bed-and-
head-ridden on another. Sometimes after a few sea crossings with not
even a twinge of nausea, I get complacent (like any psychotic I
suppose) and stop taking my meds. Then I get nailed. If it weren't
for diving, I'd never set foot on a boat.
Curtis
> Lots of fish. A turtle and a couple of rays too.
Not to mention three beautiful mermaids....... :-)
Curtis
John Hanson
wrote in rec.scuba:
>>>Sounds like a lot of fun. Did you see any fish?
>
>> Lots of fish. A turtle and a couple of rays too.
>
> Not to mention three beautiful mermaids....... :-)
>
Go got that right!
Curtis
I'm not sure how they work, so cannot say that a lessening of balance was
due to a symptom being treated or a side effect. Was the only out of the
ordinary thing I noticed. I needed something, I bought what I found, and
either it worked (most probable) or my sea-sickness lessened on its own
(possible, but not likely). All I know is that the acid reflux caused me to
almost totally lose my voice by Monday, now I'm still raspy but able to
communicate. It cost me a couple of reef dives, but otherwise did not ruin
a near-perfect outing with excellent company and a great dive buddy.
Thanks to all for the inputs, looks like it's something I'll need to
start considering more seriously. ;-)
Curtis
-hh
> "-hh" wrote
> > [John wrote]:
> >> ...
> >> The current was just ripping that morning so Captain Bob
> >> dropped us on the bow ball to start the second dive and
> >> then moved to the ball on the pilot house where we all
> >> came up. It made for a longer, more pleasant dive.
> >
> > I've seen this sort of technique used before, as a comprimise
> > between a drift dive and being on a mooring. It does work
> > quite well (as you found), but this does assume that all
> > of the divers actually pay attention to what the plan is
> > during the pre-dive briefing.
>
> Considering this was day three with the same group,
> and these were ocean trained GUE divers as well as
> John and I, would you expect any less than plan followed?
No, not at all.
I was alluding to a dive from several years ago where on the 3rd or
4th day with the same basic group, the DM announced this same sort of
"modified drift" as the plan.
This was a deep wall drift and i was diving in a threesome, with two
folks who seemed to be well travelled & experienced. The three of us
cruised past the return mooring location ... I saw it (and the boat),
but they did not. I stopped drifting and hung out near the mooring
to finish up the dive and was able to (eventually) get them to realize
their exit point and up the line. Back on the boat, they started to
complain (loudly) about the DM screwing up (for not doing a "normal"
drift). I inteerrupted, to tell them that the problem was that
*they* hadn't bothered to listen to the dive plan.
> > One of these years, I'll get to the Duane & Bibb. Won't be this
> > year for sure.
>
> I for one would love to dive with you again, sure John agrees.
> Give warning when you wanna hit FL.
So noted. BTW, a possible alternative to FL might be Baja. A friend
has just bought a nice 2,400 sq ft waterfront villa in Loreto :-)
-hh
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
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Doesn't hurt your nutsac, but, I didn't try it wet.
> I just wish the damn "disease" was at least consistent. Problem is
> that you practically never know when it's going to get you. I can be
> just fine, even reading a book, in high seas one day, then bed-and-
> head-ridden on another. Sometimes after a few sea crossings with not
> even a twinge of nausea, I get complacent (like any psychotic I
> suppose) and stop taking my meds. Then I get nailed. If it weren't
> for diving, I'd never set foot on a boat.
Previously, I have been on charter boats, light aircraft, helos, big
ships, no problem.
But I've had some award winning seasickness episodes since I got certed.
Grumman-581
wrote:
> Is that the zapper? I think I like being seasick better than enduring
> that thing. It's like an electrified Chinese water torture, probably
> designed to convince the wearer that there are worse things than being
> seasick so tough it up.
Kind of sounds like a description of accupuncture...
"Hey, we're going to stick needles in you and run electrical current
through them until you tell us you feel better."
zzzzzhhhtttt
zzzzzhhhtttt
zzzzzhhhtttt
"OK, ok, ok... Iiiii ffeeeeeelll beettttterrrrrr nowwww !!!!"
Scott
"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in
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> But I've had some award winning seasickness episodes since I got certed.
<waving and posing>
Dan Bracuk
resulting in:
:Lots of fish. A turtle and a couple of rays too.
Any jawfish? They're very cute.
Dan Bracuk
resulting in:
: Not to mention three beautiful mermaids....... :-)
So you know why mermaids use seashells for bras?
Curtis
Would it have anything to do with a good meal on a half shell?
Curtis
> Sometimes it is not the size of the wave so much as how they are waving at
> ya.
>
> I almost never get seasick, but I've felt queasy standing on a floating
> dock. Know what I mean?
Yep.
Think we had wave sets with different periods intermingling, causing
erratic bouncing rather than smooth rocking.
Curtis
Dan Bracuk
resulting in:
:> So you know why mermaids use seashells for bras?
:
: Would it have anything to do with a good meal on a half shell?
Close, but no cigar. Except for the close part.
Scott
*****
Lee Bell
> erratic bouncing rather than smooth rocking.
As someone who has a long history of boating and seasickness, I put my money
on compound rocking. I'm usually find while the boat is underway because
it's rocking in only one plane, along the axis of the boat. It's not until
the boat stops and starts rocking in a sort of circular fashion that I'm in
trouble. Also, there's no doubt at all that it's partly mental. If you
think you're going to get seasick and spend time thinking about getting
seasick, or not getting seasick, chances that you will get seasick are
greatly increased.
Lee
John Hanson
wrote in rec.scuba:
>John Hanson <jha...@northernlinks.com> pounded away at his keyboard
>resulting in:
>
>:Lots of fish. A turtle and a couple of rays too.
>
>Any jawfish? They're very cute.
>
I believe I did on my dive with Sonya. Can they swim backwards into
their holes in the coral?
Greg Mossman
> I believe I did on my dive with Sonya. Can they swim backwards into
> their holes in the coral?
The DIR folks learned it from them. I've heard the elite like GIIII
and JJ can even agitate a mouthful of eggs, but that's really advanced.
Dan Bracuk
:their holes in the coral?
Jawfish have their holes in the sand. If you really meant coral, you
might be talking about a blennie or a juvenile blue headed wrasse.
Here is a reasonable reference.
bra...@axxent.ca
> "Curtis" <cavey_curtis@$$ yahoo.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
>
> :> So you know why mermaids use seashells for bras?
Because b-shells are too small and d-shells are too big.
John Hanson
wrote in rec.scuba:
>John Hanson <jha...@northernlinks.com> pounded away at his keyboard
>resulting in:
>:I believe I did on my dive with Sonya. Can they swim backwards into
>:their holes in the coral?
>
>Jawfish have their holes in the sand. If you really meant coral, you
>might be talking about a blennie or a juvenile blue headed wrasse.
>Here is a reasonable reference.
>
>http://www.fishdb.co.uk/
>
>
I don't know. They hung out in the holes of a barrel sponge.
chilly
"Dan Bracuk" <NOTb...@pathcom.com> wrote in message
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> John Hanson <jha...@northernlinks.com> pounded away at his keyboard
> resulting in:
> :I believe I did on my dive with Sonya. Can they swim backwards into
> :their holes in the coral?
>
> Jawfish have their holes in the sand. If you really meant coral, you
> might be talking about a blennie or a juvenile blue headed wrasse.
> Here is a reasonable reference.
>
> http://www.fishdb.co.uk/
I thought you guys were talking about this fish (sand tilefish). . . which
has a hole in the sand surrounded by coral rubble. I love them, most
everything about them. I find them very pretty and I like the way they move
when out of their hole.
http://www.macalester.edu/geology/wirth/tilefish/source/tilefish1.html
chilly
"John Hanson" <jha...@northernlinks.com> wrote in message
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blennies
John Hanson
in rec.scuba:
>
>"John Hanson" <jha...@northernlinks.com> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:40:31 -0500, Dan Bracuk <NOTb...@pathcom.com>
>> wrote in rec.scuba:
>>
>> >John Hanson <jha...@northernlinks.com> pounded away at his keyboard
>> >resulting in:
>> >:I believe I did on my dive with Sonya. Can they swim backwards into
>> >:their holes in the coral?
>> >
>> >Jawfish have their holes in the sand. If you really meant coral, you
>> >might be talking about a blennie or a juvenile blue headed wrasse.
>> >Here is a reasonable reference.
>> >
>> >http://www.fishdb.co.uk/
>> >
>> >
>> I don't know. They hung out in the holes of a barrel sponge.
>
>blennies
Thanks!
Curtis
>> :> So you know why mermaids use seashells for bras?
> Because b-shells are too small and d-shells are too big.
:-)
and no shells would be just right..... <evil grin>
Curtis
Dan Bracuk
resulting in:
:I don't know. They hung out in the holes of a barrel sponge.
Those wouldn't be jawfish. You should dive with me one day. I'll
show you a jawfish.
John Hanson
wrote in rec.scuba:
>John Hanson <jha...@northernlinks.com> pounded away at his keyboard
>resulting in:
>
>:I don't know. They hung out in the holes of a barrel sponge.
>
>Those wouldn't be jawfish. You should dive with me one day. I'll
>show you a jawfish.
>
Okay. I'm guessing there won't be a deco obligation.
Dan Bracuk
resulting in:
:Okay. I'm guessing there won't be a deco obligation.
Probably not, but ya never know.
John Hanson
wrote in rec.scuba:
>John Hanson <jha...@northernlinks.com> pounded away at his keyboard
>resulting in:
>
>:Okay. I'm guessing there won't be a deco obligation.
>
>Probably not, but ya never know.
>
LOL...I like the shallow 60 minute dives too. Especially if I can get
edjumacated on sea life.
John Hanson
wrote in rec.scuba:
>
> I for one would love to dive with you again, sure John agrees. Give
>warning when you wanna hit FL.
>
Doh, just read this part. Yes, definitely would love to dive with you
again Hugh!
John Hanson
<recscub...@huntzinger.com> wrote in rec.scuba:
>
>So noted. BTW, a possible alternative to FL might be Baja. A friend
>has just bought a nice 2,400 sq ft waterfront villa in Loreto :-)
>
I'm game. I would love to dive Baja.
chilly
Was it a blenny like this:
http://www.uwphoto.net/pages/gallery_ci98-060.html
or one like this:
http://www.uwphoto.net/pages/gallery_ci98-178.html
or like this:
http://www.uwphoto.net/pages/gallery_ci98-284.html
or maybe not a blenny at all, but a goby:
http://www.uwphoto.net/pages/gallery_ci96-056.html
Whoa, those are some good pics of fish. :^)
Greg Mossman
> Was it a blenny like this:
>
> http://www.uwphoto.net/pages/gallery_ci98-060.html
>
> or one like this:
>
> http://www.uwphoto.net/pages/gallery_ci98-178.html
>
> or like this:
>
> http://www.uwphoto.net/pages/gallery_ci98-284.html
>
> or maybe not a blenny at all, but a goby:
>
> http://www.uwphoto.net/pages/gallery_ci96-056.html
>
> Whoa, those are some good pics of fish. :^)
Two are OK and the other two aren't so OK. Wait until you see my
Bonaire pics - they're gonna blow all of them away.
chilly
"Greg Mossman" <mos...@qnet.com> wrote in message
news:1190952080.9...@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Hey, I complimented your pictures, OK? But you've got a ways to go before
you are producing like this:
http://www.uwphoto.net/stocklist.html?page=1
>
-hh
> -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote in rec.scuba:
>
>
>
> >So noted. BTW, a possible alternative to FL might be Baja. A friend
> >has just bought a nice 2,400 sq ft waterfront villa in Loreto :-)
>
> I'm game. I would love to dive Baja.
We'll need some research for questions like 'best time of year'. I
think that I'll also want to retire my Nikonos and go to a housed dSLR
in 2008, which will probably take some time to get sorted out as well.
I'd expect (and hope) that the owner will fly down from LA, so we will
need to be "genteel". Based on what I've been told, I believe this to
be the property listing:
http://www.lagiganta.com/rentals/beachrental1.htm
-hh
Grumman-581
wrote:
> Hey, I complimented your pictures, OK? But you've got a ways to go before
> you are producing like this:
>
> http://www.uwphoto.net/stocklist.html?page=1
Guys like that are the reason that I've been hesitant to get into
underwater photography... My personal standards are such that I would
want to be able to create photography as good as they do, but I'm not
currently willing to spend the money on the housings and strobes that
would made that possible... Maybe if I lived in an area where the
local diving was somewhat photogenic, I might be a bit more tempted...
ben bradlee
"Grumman-581" <grumm...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f20qf3drkl2tq8mgd...@4ax.com...
>
> Guys like that are the reason that I've been hesitant to get into
> underwater photography... My personal standards are such that I would
> want to be able to create photography as good as they do, but I'm not
> currently willing to spend the money on the housings and strobes that
> would made that possible.
Photography is an art. Holding the camera is a skill. It takes talent to
be an artist. Money won't buy you talent or allow you to create photographs
as good as an artist. All the excuses in the world don't make a pretty
picture.
Grumman-581
wrote:
> Photography is an art. Holding the camera is a skill. It takes talent to
> be an artist. Money won't buy you talent or allow you to create photographs
> as good as an artist. All the excuses in the world don't make a pretty
> picture.
Agreed, but there is also the aspect of law of averages... If you take
enough photos, the odds of one turning out good is improved... <grin>
The difference between professional and amateur photographers is the
percentage of good shots to bad shots... Well, probably that plus what
each consider a 'good' shot...
With underwater photography, the cost of the camera and the lens is a
minor part of the total cost of the equipment necessary to produce
true publication quality photography... With land type photography, it
often doesn't take much of an expendature in equipment to be able to
get to the point where the limiting factor becomes your own skill
level, not the ability of the equipment... Hell, I've taken photos
that I considered good enough to have printed at poster size and
professionally mounted with a lowly Pentax K1000 and Yashica FX-3
using Kodachome 25 and 64 slide film... You can't get much more basic
than those two...
Greg Mossman
> John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com> wrote:
> > -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote in rec.scuba:
>
> > >So noted. BTW, a possible alternative to FL might be Baja. A friend
> > >has just bought a nice 2,400 sq ft waterfront villa in Loreto :-)
>
> > I'm game. I would love to dive Baja.
>
> We'll need some research for questions like 'best time of year'. I
> think that I'll also want to retire my Nikonos and go to a housed dSLR
> in 2008, which will probably take some time to get sorted out as well.
The Sea of Cortez diving season is roughly June-December, the rest of
the year being too cold and rough for most operators to run. Of
course that also coincides with hurricane season. It's hit or miss as
to visibility: 80 feet if you get lucky, green soup if there's some
weather event somewhere that's kicking up the plankton. I've only
dove in the green soup stage. My LDS schedules an annual La Paz trip
in the peak of the season (Sept or Oct) and it seems like they get
greened out about 50% of the time.
Greg Mossman
> "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
You're out of your mind. He's been at it longer, to be sure. I only
have one trip under my belt with the current system and that was
mainly for working out the bugs - the bugs that are hopefully fixed
for my next trip.
But I could easily find you a hundred pros better than this guy. He's
really bad.
Take a look at the Queen Trigger on page 1:
(http://www.uwphoto.net/pages/gallery_ci00-144.html)
It's all blue. Terrible lighting for a "pro".
My Queen Trigger blows that away:
http://www.kodakgallery.com/mossman/main/grand_cayman_uw_2
His composition sucks too. On page 2, here's a mangled Grey Angel:
http://www.uwphoto.net/pages/gallery_ci96-001.html
Yuck. What's artistic about that? This is far prettier:
http://www.kodakgallery.com/mossman/main/grand_cayman_uw_2
Like I said, wait until I have real quality time with my new setup
working 100%, and I'll show you shots that weren't taken on quick
shore dives meant just to test out the equipment.
John Hanson
in rec.scuba:
>
>"John Hanson" <jha...@northernlinks.com> wrote in message
>news:78oof3tkdvllp3s9t...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:58:41 -0500, Dan Bracuk <NOTb...@pathcom.com>
>> wrote in rec.scuba:
>>
>> >John Hanson <jha...@northernlinks.com> pounded away at his keyboard
>> >resulting in:
>> >
>> >:Okay. I'm guessing there won't be a deco obligation.
>> >
>> >Probably not, but ya never know.
>> >
>> LOL...I like the shallow 60 minute dives too. Especially if I can get
>> edjumacated on sea life.
>
>Was it a blenny like this:
>
>http://www.uwphoto.net/pages/gallery_ci98-060.html
>
>or one like this:
>
>http://www.uwphoto.net/pages/gallery_ci98-178.html
>
>or like this:
>
>http://www.uwphoto.net/pages/gallery_ci98-284.html
>
>or maybe not a blenny at all, but a goby:
>
>http://www.uwphoto.net/pages/gallery_ci96-056.html
>
>Whoa, those are some good pics of fish. :^)
>
If anything it was a goby and it was going into little holes on the
side of the barrel sponge. But, I'm not sure. Why don't you ask me
something easy like the color of my buddy's bikini?
nitespark
>
> If anything it was a goby and it was going into little holes on the
> side of the barrel sponge. But, I'm not sure. Why don't you ask me
> something easy like the color of my buddy's bikini?
Curtis was wearing a bikini? OH GAWD!!!!!
chilly
> On Sep 27, 11:23 pm, "chilly" <slar...@shaw.canada> wrote:
> > "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
> >
before
> > you are producing like this:
> >
> > http://www.uwphoto.net/stocklist.html?page=1
>
> You're out of your mind. He's been at it longer, to be sure. I only
> have one trip under my belt with the current system and that was
> mainly for working out the bugs - the bugs that are hopefully fixed
> for my next trip.
>
> But I could easily find you a hundred pros better than this guy.
Who?? I'd love to look at even more fabulous shots.
> He's
> really bad.
If that is true, you should be up to the challenge.
> Take a look at the Queen Trigger on page 1:
> (http://www.uwphoto.net/pages/gallery_ci00-144.html)
>
> It's all blue. Terrible lighting for a "pro".
>
> My Queen Trigger blows that away:
> http://www.kodakgallery.com/mossman/main/grand_cayman_uw_2
Yours will look very good in a book that needs a picture of exactly what a
Queen Trigger looks like.
> His composition sucks too. On page 2, here's a mangled Grey Angel:
>
> http://www.uwphoto.net/pages/gallery_ci96-001.html
>
> Yuck. What's artistic about that? This is far prettier:
> http://www.kodakgallery.com/mossman/main/grand_cayman_uw_2
That's the same picture. Don't you have a very cool closeup of a Grey
Angel's face?
> Like I said, wait until I have real quality time with my new setup
> working 100%, and I'll show you shots that weren't taken on quick
> shore dives meant just to test out the equipment.
There ya go. Ready to take on the challenge.
>
Greg Mossman
> > But I could easily find you a hundred pros better than this guy.
>
> Who?? I'd love to look at even more fabulous shots.
There are plenty. I'll give you a few whom I've spent quality time
with.
Murray was on my Bali-Komodo liveaboard. His stuff is pretty decent:
http://www.murraykaufman.com/galleries/reefs/
Christopher was captaining the Turks & Caicos Aggressor when I went.
He's good too, but I'd be that good too if I lived on a dive boat and
took underwater photos every day:
http://www.aquaexposure.com/Galleries.htm
And then a real professional, the recently departed Jim Watt, whom I
had met at the Long Beach Scuba Show and then again on the Peace dive
boat when diving Oil Rig Grace.
http://www.wattstock.com/framesetdb.html
I think I can get to be as good as Murray, I hope I can get to be as
good as Christopher, but I doubt I'll ever be as good as Jim.
> > He's
> > really bad.
>
> If that is true, you should be up to the challenge.
He's no challenge. You'll see plenty of shots better than his when I
get back from Bonaire and Palau.
> > My Queen Trigger blows that away:
> >http://www.kodakgallery.com/mossman/main/grand_cayman_uw_2
>
> Yours will look very good in a book that needs a picture of exactly what a
> Queen Trigger looks like.
His will look good in a book that needs a picture of exactly what a
Queen Trigger that's too blue looks like.
And I realize that I've sent you to the wrong Queen Trigger. I guess
I'm not able to link to individual pics in the gallery. You were
looking at the first pic in the series, my pic of the Queen Trigger
that indeed belongs in a fish ID book. I meant the second one, Image
2 of 33. It's much the same pose as your example, but also much
better lighting and color. See the above link, but click on the right
arrow or on the second thumnail at the bottom.
> > His composition sucks too. On page 2, here's a mangled Grey Angel:
>
> >http://www.uwphoto.net/pages/gallery_ci96-001.html
>
> > Yuck. What's artistic about that? This is far prettier:
> >http://www.kodakgallery.com/mossman/main/grand_cayman_uw_2
>
> That's the same picture. Don't you have a very cool closeup of a Grey
> Angel's face?
No it's really not the same picture, but I can't link to the picture I
want. This time, I meant Image 4 of 33, which you can get to from the
correct queen trigger by clicking twice more on the right arrow, or
clicking on the fourth thumbnail at the bottom.
> > Like I said, wait until I have real quality time with my new setup
> > working 100%, and I'll show you shots that weren't taken on quick
> > shore dives meant just to test out the equipment.
>
> There ya go. Ready to take on the challenge.
No problem, and I think I'll seek out a better photo site too.
chilly
> On Sep 28, 11:09 am, "chilly" <slar...@shaw.canada> wrote:
>
> > > But I could easily find you a hundred pros better than this guy.
> >
> > Who?? I'd love to look at even more fabulous shots.
>
> There are plenty. I'll give you a few whom I've spent quality time
> with.
Maybe these:
>
(snip)>
> And then a real professional, the recently departed Jim Watt, whom I
> had met at the Long Beach Scuba Show and then again on the Peace dive
> boat when diving Oil Rig Grace.
>
> http://www.wattstock.com/framesetdb.html
Interesting picture of a Queen Trigger by Jim:
http://www.wattstock.com/framesetdb.html
Kinda looks familiar . .can't quite put my finger on why.
> I think I can get to be as good as Murray, I hope I can get to be as
> good as Christopher, but I doubt I'll ever be as good as Jim.
:^)
>
> He's no challenge. You'll see plenty of shots better than his when I
> get back from Bonaire and Palau.
OK!! Looking forward. I always love a good fish picture.
> > Yours will look very good in a book that needs a picture of exactly what
a
> > Queen Trigger looks like.
>
> His will look good in a book that needs a picture of exactly what a
> Queen Trigger that's too blue looks like.
Hmmm . ..
>
> And I realize that I've sent you to the wrong Queen Trigger. I guess
> I'm not able to link to individual pics in the gallery. You were
> looking at the first pic in the series, my pic of the Queen Trigger
> that indeed belongs in a fish ID book. I meant the second one, Image
> 2 of 33. It's much the same pose as your example, but also much
> better lighting and color. See the above link, but click on the right
> arrow or on the second thumnail at the bottom.
Oh, OK, I'll try to go look.
(snip)> >
> > There ya go. Ready to take on the challenge.
>
> No problem, and I think I'll seek out a better photo site too.
Yes, if you've learned anything from your friend Murray, it's that one needs
a good photo site. His are too small.
>
chilly
"chilly" <sla...@shaw.canada> wrote in message
news:xofLi.10884$x%6.5353@pd7urf2no...
>
>
> Yes, if you've learned anything from your friend Murray, it's that one
needs
> a good photo site. His are too small.
By the way, your photos come out a nice size.
Greg Mossman
> > Yes, if you've learned anything from your friend Murray, it's that one
> needs
> > a good photo site. His are too small.
>
> By the way, your photos come out a nice size.
No one has ever complained about mine being too small, but I'd
personally like a bigger size. Did you find my trigger yet?
Grumman-581
wrote:
> No one has ever complained about mine being too small, but I'd
> personally like a bigger size. Did you find my trigger yet?
And yet another thread morphs into a sex thread...
nitespark
.....and GUNS!!!
Grumman-581
wrote:
> .....and GUNS!!!
Are you sure that Greg wasn't using "trigger" as a euphamism for
something else?
If not, then we can definitely put this one down as a thread that he
morphed into a gun thread... Maybe that NRA membership is doing some
good with him yet...
Dan Bracuk
his keyboard resulting in:
:Guys like that are the reason that I've been hesitant to get into
:underwater photography... My personal standards are such that I would
:want to be able to create photography as good as they do, but I'm not
:currently willing to spend the money on the housings and strobes that
:would made that possible... Maybe if I lived in an area where the
:local diving was somewhat photogenic, I might be a bit more tempted...
One of the best u/w photographers I had the chance to meet was Bob
Klemow who was a fellow passenger on the Nekton Rorqual. He had
simple equipment but proved beyond any doubt that the most important
part of any camera is the person holding it.
The photo that impressed me the most was a close up of a Rock Beauty.
Those fish are so shy. He told me that his secret was to to stay
motionless for five or ten minutes in one spot so that he became part
of the fish's scenery. Even more remarkable is that he does this
while diving with his wife and is still married.
You can see his photos here http://home.ptd.net/~dvbob/fishies.htm
Dan Bracuk
from the menu on the left.
I'm not sure if any of mine are still rated at 10, if there are they
should be marked down because they are not as good as the best ones
there.
chilly
Yes, I believe I did.
chilly
"Grumman-581" <grumm...@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM-gmail.com> wrote in message
I thought it was a gun thread . . .
Greg Mossman
> For more photos, go tohttp://www.fishdb.co.uk/and select top photos
> from the menu on the left.
>
> I'm not sure if any of mine are still rated at 10, if there are they
> should be marked down because they are not as good as the best ones
> there.
Some of your shots are very nice. I especially like the sea snake,
the turtle with the angelfish, and the various Kona butterflyfish.
chilly
"Dan Bracuk" <NOTb...@pathcom.com> wrote in message
news:o3hrf3538ug1jrf1h...@4ax.com...
> For more photos, go to http://www.fishdb.co.uk/ and select top photos
> from the menu on the left.
>
> I'm not sure if any of mine are still rated at 10, if there are they
> should be marked down because they are not as good as the best ones
> there.
Oh geez Dan!! I got lost in there. Great site.
Loved your Splendid Toad, by the way.
nitespark
We can think positively.
Dan Bracuk
in:
:Some of your shots are very nice. I especially like the sea snake,
:the turtle with the angelfish, and the various Kona butterflyfish.
Thank you for the compliment. Getting back to my comment about not
needing super duper camera kits, the sea snake was taken with a 1.3
megapixel Reefmaster.
I might be contributing another picture or two. I'll have to take
another look to see if any of my Curacao pics are of something not
already in that database.
Dan Bracuk
in:
:Oh geez Dan!! I got lost in there. Great site.
The guy running it came on to rec.scuba.locations a little while back
looking for contributors. I liked what he was doing and at the time
he didn't have all that many species, so I submitted some pics.
Greg Mossman
> Greg Mossman <moss...@qnet.com> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> in:
>
> :Some of your shots are very nice. I especially like the sea snake,
> :the turtle with the angelfish, and the various Kona butterflyfish.
>
> Thank you for the compliment. Getting back to my comment about not
> needing super duper camera kits, the sea snake was taken with a 1.3
> megapixel Reefmaster.
That may allow you to better sneak up on the good action. The sea
snakes see my big housing and strobes coming along and they run for
the crevices. That must be why I didn't see a single sea snake in
Grand Cayman.
Resolution doesn't matter much on the little screen shots. Obviously
the 1.3 megapixels would be more limiting if you planned to print out
an 8 x 10. The beauty of the higher resolution camera for screen
shots is that you can crop out lots of 1.3 megapixel sections of a
photo, potentially making many nice shots out of one lousy one.
That's how I plan to take pics of really tiny stuff on my next trip.
I don't have the port upgrade to handle the 105mm lens, so I'm stuck
with the 60mm. However, with the 5T close-up filter mounted on that,
I should be able to get in pretty close. Then I can further "zoom in"
by cropping the small section of the photo containing the little
blenny head and end up with a big blenny head that still looks very
sharp displayed on a PC monitor. It won't be magazine quality, but it
will look impressive on my website.
Now I just have to convince Janna that hanging out with me for 45
minutes while I patiently stalk out little blenny holes is really a
fun way to spend a dive.
chilly
> "chilly" <sla...@shaw.canada> pounded away at his keyboard resulting
> in:
>
> :Oh geez Dan!! I got lost in there. Great site.
>
> The guy running it came on to rec.scuba.locations a little while back
> looking for contributors. I liked what he was doing and at the time
> he didn't have all that many species, so I submitted some pics.
Peter de Graff's blennies were very cool. He's quite devoted to them
apparently.
Still, I didn't see a picture of the blenny I saw in Roatan. It was quite
distinctive and so I continue to search the internet (and the waters) for
it.
It was a dark dive, so I can't be sure but the blenny looked to be reddish
in color and had a very interesting fin pattern.
Having seen sailfin blennies doing their thing, I was hoping to see some of
that action on the site. The sailfin blennies shown, are purported to be
males arguing over turf. Be that as it may, the most fabulous thing about
sailfin blennies, are their fins! It would be nice to see a picture of them
displaying as they attempt to attract mates. So your next assignment,
should you choose to accept it . . . .
:^)
Dan Bracuk
in:
:That's how I plan to take pics of really tiny stuff on my next trip.
:I don't have the port upgrade to handle the 105mm lens, so I'm stuck
:with the 60mm. However, with the 5T close-up filter mounted on that,
:I should be able to get in pretty close. Then I can further "zoom in"
:by cropping the small section of the photo containing the little
:blenny head and end up with a big blenny head that still looks very
:sharp displayed on a PC monitor. It won't be magazine quality, but it
:will look impressive on my website.
:
:Now I just have to convince Janna that hanging out with me for 45
:minutes while I patiently stalk out little blenny holes is really a
:fun way to spend a dive.
I was able to do okay with blennies on my last trip. My camera, in
macro mode allows me to get up to 4 inches away. At such a close
distance, depth of field is about an angstrom but sometimes you'll get
the fish in focus. Then you just crop.
Of course I'm now using 4 megapixels, not 1.3. Also I have no
interest in 8 by 10 prints.
John Hanson
<recscub...@huntzinger.com> wrote in rec.scuba:
>John Hanson <jhan...@northernlinks.com> wrote:
>> -hh <recscuba_goo...@huntzinger.com> wrote in rec.scuba:
>>
>>
>>
>> >So noted. BTW, a possible alternative to FL might be Baja. A friend
>> >has just bought a nice 2,400 sq ft waterfront villa in Loreto :-)
>>
>> I'm game. I would love to dive Baja.
>
>
>We'll need some research for questions like 'best time of year'. I
>think that I'll also want to retire my Nikonos and go to a housed dSLR
>in 2008, which will probably take some time to get sorted out as well.
>
>I'd expect (and hope) that the owner will fly down from LA, so we will
>need to be "genteel". Based on what I've been told, I believe this to
>be the property listing:
>
>http://www.lagiganta.com/rentals/beachrental1.htm
>
>
I'm so there. Keep me/us posted.