It struck me....
Adrian
possible that the top two entries would read:-
William Jefferson Clinton, President - Lame Duck
MJ Black, Doctor - Lame Quack
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The Portal to all things Fishy
Scott
Scott
Adrian <nep...@neptunesjewels.com> wrote in message
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Jerome O'Neil
> That if the Liars List 2000 were to be compiled right now it is quite
> possible that the top two entries would read:-
>
> William Jefferson Clinton, President - Lame Duck
> MJ Black, Doctor - Lame Quack
Offering yet more evidence that if it walks like a duck, talks
like a duck...
Adrian
Wow.... I completely forgot about him..... I guess the phrase "utterly
insignificant" springs to mind....
--
Adrian
www.neptunesjewels.com
The Portal to all things Fishy
"Scott" <sco...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Don't forget the Walter Mitty of rec.scuba, Nydivecon.
>
> Scott
>
> Adrian <nep...@neptunesjewels.com> wrote in message
> news:8q7uve$cd6$1...@imsp026.netvigator.com...
> > That if the Liars List 2000 were to be compiled right now it is quite
> > possible that the top two entries would read:-
> >
> > William Jefferson Clinton, President - Lame Duck
> > MJ Black, Doctor - Lame Quack
> >
Scott
> Scott,
>
> Wow.... I completely forgot about him..... I guess the phrase "utterly
> insignificant" springs to mind....
Been nice around here lately, huh?
We had a great weekend.
Scott
Suds
let's expand the liars club a bit:
Ronny Reagan, President during Iran-Contra (did he lie or was he napping
while the U.S. Constitution was being subverted.)
George Bush, President during the Gulf War which was NOT about protecting
our supply of cheap oil.
George Bush, Vice-President during Iran-Contra but out of the loop (I'm
tempted to believe him on this one.)
Richard M. Nixon, President during Watergate but not a crook (he just hires
them.)
Any more??? I'm sure we could really get a good thread going here.
Suds (the only liberal in all of Colorado)
Adrian <nep...@neptunesjewels.com> wrote in message
Adrian
>Suds (the only liberal in all of Colorado)<
I was beginning to get that impression from your list....<s> I only picked
on Slick Willy 'cos it seems to me that he's the only lame duck president
around right now...... and it kinda fit in with the 'bird' theme...<s>
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"Suds" <sudsy...@home.com> wrote in message
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Scott
the killing of convicted murderers?
Scott
<ducking and running>
I got this in e-mail today, I don't know who wrote it:
The TAX POEM
Tax his land, tax his wage,
Tax his bed in which he lays.
Tax his tractor, tax his mule,
Teach him taxes is the rule.
Tax his cow, tax his goat,
Tax his pants, tax his coat.
Tax his ties, tax his shirts,
Tax his work, tax his dirt.
Tax his chew, tax his smoke,
Teach him taxes are no joke.
Tax his car, tax his ass,
Tax the roads he must pass.
Tax his tobacco, tax his drink,
Tax him if he tries to think.
Tax his booze, tax his beers,
If he cries, tax his tears.
Tax his bills, tax his gas,
Tax his notes, tax his cash.
Tax him good and let him know
That after taxes, he has no dough.
If he hollers, tax him more,
Tax him until he's good and sore.
Tax his coffin, tax his grave,
Tax the sod in which he lays.
Put these words upon his tomb,
"Taxes drove me to my doom!"
And when he's gone, we won't relax,
We'll still be after the inheritance TAX.
Jerome O'Neil
> Any more??? I'm sure we could really get a good thread going here.
Well suds, if it isn't self evident that poloticians of every color
are liars, I don't know what we can do to help you.
The last guy that was an actual honest fella was Jimmy Carter. Now, I'm a
fourth generation Dem, and as much as I love the guy, I don't want him
back in the White House.
Thats all I have to say about that. <Nod to Forrest, Forrest Gump>
Adrian
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"Scott" <sco...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> > Any more??? I'm sure we could really get a good thread going here.
> >
Robert Wood
Suds wrote:
>
> Well, since you fell like political commentary during this election season
> let's expand the liars club a bit:
>
> Ronny Reagan, President during Iran-Contra (did he lie or was he napping
> while the U.S. Constitution was being subverted.)
> George Bush, President during the Gulf War which was NOT about protecting
> our supply of cheap oil.
> George Bush, Vice-President during Iran-Contra but out of the loop (I'm
> tempted to believe him on this one.)
> Richard M. Nixon, President during Watergate but not a crook (he just hires
> them.)
>
> Any more??? I'm sure we could really get a good thread going here.
>
> Suds (the only liberal in all of Colorado)
The only thing that is not a lie about Jean Chretian is that he is a
scuba diver
and one of his brothers an instructor !!!
How about that for on-topic in an off-topic thread?
[\] Robert Wood
The St. Lawrence River - fresh, warm, politician-free diving.
2 Million gates, bah, humbug.
mailto:rw...@spacebridge.com
Jammer Six
<sudsy...@home.com> wrote:
>€ Ronny Reagan, President during Iran-Contra (did he lie or was he napping
>€ while the U.S. Constitution was being subverted.)
>€ George Bush, President during the Gulf War which was NOT about protecting
>€ our supply of cheap oil.
>€ George Bush, Vice-President during Iran-Contra but out of the loop (I'm
>€ tempted to believe him on this one.)
>€ Richard M. Nixon, President during Watergate but not a crook (he just hires
>€ them.)
>€
>€ Any more??? I'm sure we could really get a good thread going here.
If one defines combat as the complete failure of foreign policy,
Clinton has failed more times in more places than any U.S. President,
and approaches the sum of any two.
--
"C'mon, you sons of bitches, you want to live forever?"
-Sergeant Major Dan Daly
Suds
who abandon their children.
Suds
> > Well, since you fell like political commentary during this election
season
> > let's expand the liars club a bit:
> >
> > Ronny Reagan, President during Iran-Contra (did he lie or was he napping
> > while the U.S. Constitution was being subverted.)
> > George Bush, President during the Gulf War which was NOT about
protecting
> > our supply of cheap oil.
> > George Bush, Vice-President during Iran-Contra but out of the loop (I'm
> > tempted to believe him on this one.)
> > Richard M. Nixon, President during Watergate but not a crook (he just
> hires
> > them.)
> >
> > Any more??? I'm sure we could really get a good thread going here.
> >
> > Suds (the only liberal in all of Colorado)
> >
> >
Tony
Jammer Six wrote in message <8q8f27$2va$2...@216.39.130.229>...
>If one defines combat as the complete failure of foreign policy,
>Clinton has failed more times in more places than any U.S. President,
>and approaches the sum of any two.
Wow.... here I am agreeing with J6.
Scott
=;-)
That's what the 2nd amendment is for.
Scott
Suds <sudsy...@home.com> wrote in message
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joe chandler
Mike from Ottawa <m...@tikacanoe.on.ca> wrote:
<Snip snip> It was funny to see
>the camera angle as he left the scrum -- ass up in the air, with a
>rooster-tail jet of water from the jetski looking like it was flying
>between his cheeks.
perhaps it was a power bidet. --chandler
Popeye
>> MJ Black, Doctor - Lame Quack
>
>
Dammit Jerome, Shhhhh! We ain't got a sheep left with fleece on it's ass,
don't get him pointed towards the ducks!
Popeye
There are absolutely no problems in life that can't
be solved with a suitable application of high explosives
Suds
Suds
Scott <sco...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Mike Gray
>
> Dammit Jerome, Shhhhh! We ain't got a sheep left with fleece on it's ass,
> don't get him pointed towards the ducks!
***** (five stars)
Popeye
>From: Mike Gray omg...@worldnet.att.net
>Date: 9/20/00 8:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <39C8A760...@worldnet.att.net>
:-)
Better than an Oscar.
Popeye
Drink and be merry, for life
is short, and death lasts forever.
Scott
See, the look of a sheep's ass is appealing to him, because he fantasizes
about someday having dreadlocks.
I think the ducks will be safe, but hey, I have been wrong about this kook
before.
Scott
--
Blaming guns for Columbine is like
blaming spoons for Rosie O Donell
being fat.
Popeye <buzcu...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Scott
> I was going to take your guns away too. {;)~
You cant. I make them.
Scott
Clifford Beshers
> Its because of his baldness.
No, it's because he is both *small* and bald.
--
Clifford Beshers
bes...@cs.columbia.edu
Jerome O'Neil
> "Scott" <sco...@nospam.com> writes:
>
>> Its because of his baldness.
>
> No, it's because he is both *small* and bald.
>
Worthless and weak!
Suds
>
> You cant. I make them.
Good, I'll keep that in mind. My little girl is tall, thin, blonde and has
her Mother's deep green eyes; I'll be needing one of your works pretty soon
to keep the boys at bay. {;^)
Suds
Jerome O'Neil
> Good, I'll keep that in mind. My little girl is tall, thin, blonde and has
> her Mother's deep green eyes; I'll be needing one of your works pretty soon
> to keep the boys at bay. {;^)
Amen to that.
My daughter will be smart, beautiful, and have a mean old man.
Scott
"So, I understand you run track, son. How fast *can* you run?
If you cant do about 1,200 feet per second or better, you keep your pecker
in your pants."
Scott
Jerome O'Neil <jer...@activeindexing.com> wrote in message
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Jerome O'Neil
> Dad talking to prospective suitor(while cleaning the long barreled shotgun):
>
> "So, I understand you run track, son. How fast *can* you run?
> If you cant do about 1,200 feet per second or better, you keep your pecker
> in your pants."
I picked up a girl for a first date, and dad was cleaning his gun on
the kitchen table. He tells me "Have her home by 11:00," to which the
only correct answer is "Yes, sir."
Now, I get her in the door at about 11:02. Dad is up, and I'm realy happy,
as I think I'm on time, and he's not going to kick my ass.
Total dead pan.
"Do you have a watch, son."
"Yes, sir."
"Mine says 11:02. Thats not 11:00, is it?"
All future dates were set to his watch, which he lent me, "...so I don't
have to kill you."
Nydivecon
Hmmmh, its amazing how you pick on black for being without his hair, yet your
kid has no balls and thats just peachy. Also, during this cancer you allege -
wasnt the eunch bald??? Probably balder than the do, or did you forget that
part of your lie????
mjbl...@my-deja.com
expect me to apologize. Gotta tell ya, you have stalked the stalker
admirably, and the cockroach Scott (among others) is securely under
your foot. Congratulations, and just hope yourself that Nydivecon II
doesn't come along and stalk you...that would be scary. MJB
In article <20000920141611...@ng-ch1.aol.com>,
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Before you buy.
Jerome O'Neil
>> I picked up a girl for a first date, and dad was cleaning his gun on
>> the kitchen table. He tells me "Have her home by 11:00," to which the
>> only correct answer is "Yes, sir."
>
> When I was in high school, I got in trouble with my girlfriend's
> father.
> He said, "I want my daughter back by 8:15." I said, "the middle of
> August? Cool!"
Steve gets a coke alert warning. There's hope for you yet!
If I were Bob, I'd give you a "Laugh of the day," too, but its
not my award.
;-o
--
"Civilization rests on two things: the discovery that fermentation
produces alcohol, and the voluntary ability to inhibit defecation.
And I put it to you, where would this splendid civilization be without
both?" --Robertson Davies "The Rebel Angels"
Clifford Beshers
> Steve Kramer <stev...@osb.att.ne.jp> elucidates:
>
> >> I picked up a girl for a first date, and dad was cleaning his gun on
> >> the kitchen table. He tells me "Have her home by 11:00," to which the
> >> only correct answer is "Yes, sir."
> >
> > When I was in high school, I got in trouble with my girlfriend's
> > father.
> > He said, "I want my daughter back by 8:15." I said, "the middle of
> > August? Cool!"
>
> Steve gets a coke alert warning. There's hope for you yet!
>
> If I were Bob, I'd give you a "Laugh of the day," too, but its
> not my award.
>
Even a blind chicken finds a kernel of corn every once in a while.
Nice one, Steve.
--
Clifford Beshers
bes...@cs.columbia.edu
Scott
Scott
Jerome O'Neil <jer...@activeindexing.com> wrote in message
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> Steve Kramer <stev...@osb.att.ne.jp> elucidates:
>
> >> I picked up a girl for a first date, and dad was cleaning his gun on
> >> the kitchen table. He tells me "Have her home by 11:00," to which the
> >> only correct answer is "Yes, sir."
> >
> > When I was in high school, I got in trouble with my girlfriend's
> > father.
> > He said, "I want my daughter back by 8:15." I said, "the middle of
> > August? Cool!"
>
> Steve gets a coke alert warning. There's hope for you yet!
>
> If I were Bob, I'd give you a "Laugh of the day," too, but its
> not my award.
>
Scott
Clifford Beshers <bes...@renoir.cs.columbia.edu> wrote in message
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> Even a blind chicken finds a kernel of corn every once in a while.
Gotta pick through a lot of chicken shit to find it, however.
Scott
Steve Kramer
>
> "Scott" <sco...@nospam.com> elucidates:
> > Dad talking to prospective suitor(while cleaning the long barreled shotgun):
> >
> > "So, I understand you run track, son. How fast *can* you run?
> > If you cant do about 1,200 feet per second or better, you keep your pecker
> > in your pants."
>
> the kitchen table. He tells me "Have her home by 11:00," to which the
> only correct answer is "Yes, sir."
When I was in high school, I got in trouble with my girlfriend's
father.
He said, "I want my daughter back by 8:15." I said, "the middle of
August? Cool!"
Steve Kramer
Osaka, Japan
Two years, one month, 47 minutes and 21 seconds. 22860 cigarettes not
smoked, saving $4,000.67. Life used for a better purpose: 11 weeks, 2
days, 9 hours, 0 minutes.
--
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of life; to suck the very marrow of life and see if I can learn what it
has to teach, and not, when it comes my time to die, discover that I
have not lived.
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Jerome O'Neil
> In the crapper?
Idealy. I found this quote the other day, and thought it
fitting for the howler monkeys.
Rick
produced by a president in implementing his foreign policy! I could only
find a solid reference for the years 1975 through 1997
Action KIA Wounded Year President
Iran-Desert One 8 5 1980 Carter
El Salvador 6 3 1981/90 Reagen/Bush
Lebanon 263 169 1982/4 Reagen
Grenada 19 11 1983/4 Reagen
Libya-Tripoli 2 1986 Reagen
Persian Gulf 39 31 1987/8 Reagen
USS Stark
Panama-Just Cause 23 324 1989/90 Bush
Kuwait Iraq 383 467 1990/1 Bush
Desert Shield/Desert Storm
Somalia 35 153 1992/3 Bush / Clinton
Hati 2 3 1993/5 Clinton
Bosnia 1 4 1995/7
Carter 8 KIA 5 Wounded
Reagen 329 KIA 221 Wounded
Bush 406 KIA 791 Wounded
Clinton 38 KIA 160 Wounded
I know that there are a few missing for Clinton like the two Apache Pilots
killed during the Kosovo Campaign but they were not a casualty of enemy fire
but rather a training accident and the first one in bosnia was a SFC that
was *apparently* trying to be a John Wayne by disarming a land mine which
had been against the standing orders for the deployment "mark the site and
report to EOD". Also Somalia was inherited from Bush. Carter did the best
job by this standard and I still feel he was bushwhacked by a presidential
contender who made a deal with the Iranians to keep the hostages until after
the election, this was mentioned by the press but no facts were ever
uncovered to prove beyond a shadow of doubt just like the whitewater thing
in which this country just wasted 60 million dollars in a politically
motivated witch hunt! The last few years of my service I did feel we were
doing more good in the world rather than just following what big business
wanted.
Rick in Paradise Oahu Hawaii
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"Jammer Six" <jam...@oz.net> wrote in message
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> In article <2tNx5.181720$6y5.10...@news2.rdc2.tx.home.com>, Suds
> <sudsy...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >? Ronny Reagan, President during Iran-Contra (did he lie or was he
napping
> >? while the U.S. Constitution was being subverted.)
> >? George Bush, President during the Gulf War which was NOT about
protecting
> >? our supply of cheap oil.
> >? George Bush, Vice-President during Iran-Contra but out of the loop (I'm
> >? tempted to believe him on this one.)
> >? Richard M. Nixon, President during Watergate but not a crook (he just
hires
> >? them.)
> >?
> >? Any more??? I'm sure we could really get a good thread going here.
>
> If one defines combat as the complete failure of foreign policy,
> Clinton has failed more times in more places than any U.S. President,
> and approaches the sum of any two.
>
Popeye
>job by this standard and I still feel he was bushwhacked by a presidential
>contender who made a deal with the Iranians to keep the hostages until after
>the election,
I'm sure I don't know what your point is here, but Presidents have little to
do with casualties. Rather it is the State Department, as in the case of
Beruit. I can assure you that your view vis a vis Carter/Reagan/Iran is skewed,
if Carter had any stones, 444 days would have been 4. The entire Desert One
fiasco happened because of political constraint. Jimmy Carter and his lack of
will is the only reason I'm not still in the service.
Jammer Six
wrote:
>€ Humm!!! well I feel that you should look at the number of casualties
>€ produced by a president in implementing his foreign policy!
By that logic, Roosevelt has them all beat, by several magnitudes.
Looking at casualties is only one side of it, and you're ignoring what
was accomplished by those casualties. Unless you want to go on to claim
that either there is nothing accomplished by any amount of casualties,
(in which case the second world war accomplished nothing), or that all
casualty counts accomplish the same amount (which means that Vietnam
accomplished just as much as the Civil War), the benefit has to be
measured, and counted against the casualties.
Body counts, by themselves, don't work. They don't work as a measure of
accomplishment, (Khe Sahn), and they don't work as a measurement of
failure (Bastogne, Omaha Beach, The Kursk Pocket).
At best, body counts are misleading. At worst, they are lies.
To introduce casualties, you'd have to introduce some type of
per-casualty benefit, and that, at best, would be subjective.
What is the value, per casualty, of the assault on Guadalcanal?
How does that value compare to the value per casualty of 17 Easting?
The Ashau Valley? Shiloh? Yorktown? What is the value of the enemies's
casualties, and what is the difference? The ratio of our value to
theirs? How does the enemy measure this value?
"So we loose a million or two..." -attributed to a Chinese leader when
the Russian nuclear strike capability was explained to him.
My point was that Clinton got us into more separate incidents, all over
the world, than anyone else.
Your list is incomplete, isn't it?
Rich Lesperance
> Bosnia 1 4 1995/7
I know for a fact those figures are INCORRECT.
There were more than 4 wounded in Bosnia. I'm pretty sure there was more
than 1 KIA, but not positive, so I'll let that slide (SFC Michael Dugan,
who, for reasons beknownst only to himself, tried to defuse a mine with a
Leatherman tool).
> Somalia 35 153 1992/3 Bush / Clinton
All the casualties in Somalia occurred during the Battle of Mogadishu, which
was on Clinton's watch.
> Kuwait Iraq 383 467 1990/1 Bush
> Desert Shield/Desert Storm
A quick search through several web pages, both official US Military sites
and private pages, show a KIA list of around 140 - 150, (that number does
not include ~ 12 killed by UXO [unexploded ordinance]).
Yet the numbers you found seem to be three times that number. How
interesting.
If you're going to fake statistics, at least fake ones that people can't
check easily.
And it's "Reagan" with an 'A', not "Reagen" with an 'E'.
Rich L
Rich Lesperance
I apologize that this is so, because it implies I underestimated you.
> What is the value, per casualty, of the assault on Guadalcanal?
Or the raid on Dieppe, for that matter.
>
> Your list is incomplete, isn't it?
>
His list is inaccurate and misleading. A less charitable person would call
it false.
Rich L
Rich Lesperance
Popeye <buzcu...@aol.com> wrote
> if Carter had any stones, 444 days would have been 4. The entire Desert
One
> fiasco happened because of political constraint.
I have to disagree, Popeye. Many things contributed to the failure of Desert
One, but much, if not most, of the blame can be laid at the feet of the
military.
Carter had stones, he was also (unfortunately for the hostages) a committed
pacifist, who (in our opinion) spent too much time trying for a peaceful
resolution. Perhaps the job description of "President" should stipulate no
pacifists need apply.
When Desert One went to shit, Carter stepped forward, and made it absolutely
clear, that the blame fell on HIM. A leader is responsible for everything
his people do and fail to do, and Carter is one of the few presidents who
displayed that so well.
After the mission, he met the team (Delta) in a private, quiet ceremony, to
let them know how sorry he was it went wrong, and to express his admiration
for them. Several of the operators berated him for the constraints he placed
on the mission, but thankfully, the one who had threatened to break his hand
during the handshake demurred....
I fault democrats for many things, but Carter earned my undying admiration
(that is, when I was old enough to understand what was going on <g>) for his
integrity and his leadership. He fucked up, and then he owned up to it like
a man.
Rich L
JGreene
true meaning of liberal. Ignore the right-wing propagandists.
Suds wrote:
>
> Well, since you fell like political commentary during this election season
> let's expand the liars club a bit:
>
> Ronny Reagan, President during Iran-Contra (did he lie or was he napping
> while the U.S. Constitution was being subverted.)
> George Bush, President during the Gulf War which was NOT about protecting
> our supply of cheap oil.
> George Bush, Vice-President during Iran-Contra but out of the loop (I'm
> tempted to believe him on this one.)
> Richard M. Nixon, President during Watergate but not a crook (he just hires
> them.)
>
> Any more??? I'm sure we could really get a good thread going here.
>
> Suds (the only liberal in all of Colorado)
>
> Adrian <nep...@neptunesjewels.com> wrote in message
> news:8q7uve$cd6$1...@imsp026.netvigator.com...
> > That if the Liars List 2000 were to be compiled right now it is quite
> > possible that the top two entries would read:-
> >
> > William Jefferson Clinton, President - Lame Duck
> > MJ Black, Doctor - Lame Quack
> >
> > --
> > Adrian
> > www.neptunesjewels.com
> > The Portal to all things Fishy
> >
> >
JGreene
industrial society.
Question: Do spoiled adolescents who complain about pitching in to do
some of the housework piss you off?
Scott wrote:
>
> Are you one of those people who can simultaneously condone abortion, but not
> the killing of convicted murderers?
>
> Scott
>
> <ducking and running>
>
> I got this in e-mail today, I don't know who wrote it:
>
> The TAX POEM
> Tax his land, tax his wage,
> Tax his bed in which he lays.
> Tax his tractor, tax his mule,
> Teach him taxes is the rule.
> Tax his cow, tax his goat,
> Tax his pants, tax his coat.
> Tax his ties, tax his shirts,
> Tax his work, tax his dirt.
> Tax his chew, tax his smoke,
> Teach him taxes are no joke.
> Tax his car, tax his ass,
> Tax the roads he must pass.
> Tax his tobacco, tax his drink,
> Tax him if he tries to think.
> Tax his booze, tax his beers,
> If he cries, tax his tears.
> Tax his bills, tax his gas,
> Tax his notes, tax his cash.
> Tax him good and let him know
> That after taxes, he has no dough.
> If he hollers, tax him more,
> Tax him until he's good and sore.
> Tax his coffin, tax his grave,
> Tax the sod in which he lays.
> Put these words upon his tomb,
> "Taxes drove me to my doom!"
> And when he's gone, we won't relax,
> We'll still be after the inheritance TAX.
>
> Suds <sudsy...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:2tNx5.181720$6y5.10...@news2.rdc2.tx.home.com...
Jason O'Rourke
>Reagen 329 KIA 221 Wounded
>Bush 406 KIA 791 Wounded
>Clinton 38 KIA 160 Wounded
These numbers, aside from being of questionable accuracy, have no meaning
by themselves. For example, the Gulf War proved to be safer for American
troops than peacetime. Simply training for war is a dangerous endeavor
and we lose many soliders to accidents every year. During the conflict,
the rate actually went down, due I'd guess to less risky training, and
more focused attention.
And I think it's fair that you can't always choose what the other powers
of the world do. Some are failures in statemenship, others just happen
because some people want more than they have.
If I were to evaluate all of these Presidents, it would primarily focus on
how avoidable it was, and how they managed to resolve it. Clinton fares
particularly poorly on the latter one.
--
Jason O'Rourke j...@best.com www.jor.com
Last dive @ HMCS Yukon. 37 mins @ 100ft depth max
Jason O'Rourke
>Take heart, pal. We're everywhere, even in Colorado. Never forget the
>true meaning of liberal. Ignore the right-wing propagandists.
The true liberal would not be fuckign with the 2nd ammendment, nor sending
military aid to Columbia to deal with 'their' drug problem.
Jammer Six
<ri...@ufl.edu> wrote:
>€ I apologize that this is so, because it implies I underestimated you.
Accepted.
When are you coming up here to fuck with Scott?
Jammer Six
<j_gr...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>€ Question: Do spoiled adolescents who complain about pitching in to do
>€ some of the housework piss you off?
Not for long...
They always seem to stop complaining at some point during the beating.
Steven B. Harris
>
>JGreene <j_gr...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>Take heart, pal. We're everywhere, even in Colorado. Never forget the
>>true meaning of liberal. Ignore the right-wing propagandists.
>
>The true liberal would not be fuckign with the 2nd ammendment, nor
sending
>military aid to Columbia to deal with 'their' drug problem.
Naw, that's the "new Democrats" that do that. "New Democrat" = Old
Democrats Who Want To Throw Away the Key. See: Liberals Who've Never
Been Arrested. A branch of Women Who Don't Give a Shit Since It's
Mainly Men in Jail.
kmy...@alaska.net
entertained us with:
>The true liberal would not be fuckign with the 2nd ammendment, nor sending
>military aid to Columbia to deal with 'their' drug problem.
I hope that your use of " 'their' " indicates that you believe that it
is *really* our problem.
Supply and demand --- remember that.
BTW, why haven't you put my pics up?
Regards,
Michael
The experiment has begun. One million
monkeys at one million keyboards. We
call it Usenet.
kmy...@alaska.net
entertained us with:
>And it's "Reagan" with an 'A', not "Reagen" with an 'E'.
Who cares? He will be forgotten, eventually, and thankfully.
GHorn82707
while he was in office, me included. I think the president with the least
memorable record will be Jimmy Carter. Most people can't remember anything he
did that was notable. Just goes to show how knowledgeable people really are.
>On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:03:01 -0400, "Rich Lesperance" <ri...@ufl.edu>
>entertained us with:
>
>>And it's "Reagan" with an 'A', not "Reagen" with an 'E'.
>
>Who cares? He will be forgotten, eventually, and thankfully.
>
George R Horn
Owner Scuba Divine
Horn's Cycle Service
Brooklyn, NY
(718) 647 1089
www.scubadivine.com
NE333RO
>industrial society.
and could be taxed even less if so much of it wasn't wasted.
kmy...@alaska.net
entertained us with:
>Mike, I am not so sure Reagan will be forgotten. Most people did very well
>while he was in office, me included. I think the president with the least
>memorable record will be Jimmy Carter. Most people can't remember anything he
>did that was notable. Just goes to show how knowledgeable people really are.
Well, we definitely differ on this. I think he will become a v-e-r-y
un-memorable president.
As president:
His 'Reaganomics' were a disaster.
He was a puppet, asleep at the wheel.
Fer chrissakes, he never even read the newspaper and nodded off
regularly during briefings.
I lived in CA when Reagan was governor. He was an asshole, a downright
tyrant, who initiated bad policies which that state is just now
recovering from.
And, he was a Republican.
Carter was, at least, real. He made decisions based on his conscience,
right or wrong --- whether you agree with them or not, they were
*his*, and he stood behind them.
He was intelligent, informed, and lucid.
He continues to serve our country to this day, with his involvement in
the same things he believed in then.
And, he was a Democrat.
Dennis the Menace
On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:49:43 GMT, kmy...@alaska.net wrote:
>As president:
>
>His 'Reaganomics' were a disaster.
For who? My family did better under reagan than Sir Bill the Rapist.
>He was a puppet, asleep at the wheel.
More liberal media BS.
>Fer chrissakes, he never even read the newspaper and nodded off
>regularly during briefings.
Were you there to see this? Or are you quoting?
>I lived in CA when Reagan was governor. He was an asshole, a downright
>tyrant, who initiated bad policies which that state is just now
>recovering from.
I lived in California and will never returned, to blame the problems
of the state on then Gov Reagan is a stretch.
>And, he was a Republican.
Better than the alternative.
>Carter was, at least, real. He made decisions based on his conscience,
>right or wrong --- whether you agree with them or not, they were
>*his*, and he stood behind them.
No not really, he made a lot of decisions that followed the typical
"Big gov. party line"
>He was intelligent, informed, and lucid.
Reagan was not?
>He continues to serve our country to this day, with his involvement in
>the same things he believed in then.
I agree, he builds alot of houses.
>And, he was a Democrat.
Can't fault him for poor upbringing.
Isn't this NG supposed to be about scuba?
DTM
kmy...@alaska.net
Menace) entertained us with:
>
>
>On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:49:43 GMT, kmy...@alaska.net wrote:
>
>
>>As president:
>>
>>His 'Reaganomics' were a disaster.
>
>For who? My family did better under reagan than Sir Bill the Rapist
Well, la deee da. Your family did good. Does that mean your daddy?
Listen up -- the government couldn't pay their bills, federal
employees went unpaid for months, many services were shut down.
Period. That's history.
>>He was a puppet, asleep at the wheel.
>More liberal media BS.
Fuck you for lying.
>>Fer chrissakes, he never even read the newspaper and nodded off
>>regularly during briefings.
>Were you there to see this? Or are you quoting?
The pics were in Newsweek, US World Report, and all over the
newspapers, child.
>
>>I lived in CA when Reagan was governor. He was an asshole, a downright
>>tyrant, who initiated bad policies which that state is just now
>>recovering from.
>I lived in California and will never returned, to blame the problems
>of the state on then Gov Reagan is a stretch.
Well, we agree on one thing, I wouldn't want to live in CA, either.
But Reagan was at the very heart of the problems there, just like he
was while he was presidient.
No stretch, little-one. He fucked up one of the best public school
systems in the US. IT's a fact.
>>And, he was a Republican.
>Better than the alternative.
Alternative-s, (that's with an 's')? Is that what you mean? Or didn't
they teach you that in CA after REagan got thru with the schools?
>
>>Carter was, at least, real. He made decisions based on his conscience,
>>right or wrong --- whether you agree with them or not, they were
>>*his*, and he stood behind them.
>No not really, he made a lot of decisions that followed the typical
>"Big gov. party line"
>
>
>>He was intelligent, informed, and lucid.
>Reagan was not?
Not especially. Couldn't even read the gawdammed paper. Couldn't even
hold his head up in briefings. Forgot where he was half the time. Got
it?
>>He continues to serve our country to this day, with his involvement in
>>the same things he believed in then.
>I agree, he builds alot of houses.
>>And, he was a Democrat.
>Can't fault him for poor upbringing.
Fuck you, again --- for the bad joke.
>Isn't this NG supposed to be about scuba?
Yes.
End of discussion.
PS: Don't whine when guv Bush gets his ass whipped in November <heh
heh> just like dear old dad did in '92.
Charlie Hammond
In article <39cb7351.69476642@news>,
>
>On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 13:49:43 GMT, kmy...@alaska.net wrote:
[Ronald Reagan]
>>And, he was a Republican.
>Better than the alternative.
..
If the "alternative" is a Democrate, then the difference is to small
to be noticeable -- let alone to argue about.
If you want to work to get government out of your lives and out of your
pocketbooks, then Libertarian is the way to vote.
No, it is not a "wasted vote"; it will help the libertarian princple
to grow. It will make a difference now and a bigger difference in
the future.
Besides, the behaviour of both Al Gore and George W Bush upsets my stomach.
See www://harrybrowne2000.org
--
Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach FL USA
(ham...@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)
All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.
Iain Smith
> un-memorable president.
On the contrary - how many US Presidents have vomitted into the lap of
HM The Queen?
Iain
Jerome O'Neil
> Mike, I am not so sure Reagan will be forgotten. Most people did very well
> while he was in office, me included. I think the president with the least
> memorable record will be Jimmy Carter. Most people can't remember anything he
> did that was notable. Just goes to show how knowledgeable people really are.
He liberated Panama.
--
.t lee may.
Iain Smith wrote:
And speaking of Presidents, past and future (sic) ... last evening I was
delayed on the 405 fwy S bound at the 110 fwy by Presidential Candidate
Gore's caravan. Myself along with a few thousand other individuals were
stopped by the CHP for almost 25 minutes while the parade of 16 CHP motor
officers, 6 blacked out Suburbans, two stretch armored limos and 4 CHP
cruisers drove past us in the car pool lane at 20 miles an hour.
I don't want to debate politicians and their actions, but this SOB and his
motorcade kept me from getting to the shop on time last night to get mix
before they closed. Hopefully the reason why they were going so slow was
due to his Veeep-ness eating bad sushi for lunch and getting car sick,
ultimately upchucking in Tipper's lap. That would have made the delay
worthwhile ;-).
--
T. May
"To increase the quality and diversity of aquatic education. Founded by
conservationists, explorers and educators with a desire to see the mystery
of the underwater world explored, studied, protected and shared. We are
prepared to redefine the nature of aquatic activity in three specific
areas: education, research and exploration."
.t lee may.
Jerome O'Neil
> I don't want to debate politicians and their actions, but this SOB and his
> motorcade kept me from getting to the shop on time last night to get mix
> before they closed. Hopefully the reason why they were going so slow was
> due to his Veeep-ness eating bad sushi for lunch and getting car sick,
> ultimately upchucking in Tipper's lap. That would have made the delay
> worthwhile ;-).
I had Bush Sr. make me late for a Padre's game once. He had a huge caravan
blocking traffic on the way to the Murph, stayed for three innings, then
left.
I was smoked.
Rick
could only find the years 1975-97 here is where I found them
http://www.cdi.org/issues/USForces/deployments.html so please take back the
LIAR quote. When I counted I did list the death's under Clinton's total not
Bush. But Bush is listed since he got us in there first! And Clinton learned
to be a lot more careful with what the brass promises since he had so many
deaths in his inherited military operation. If you look at the number for
Saudi it lists all those who were killed including the build up there were
more deaths in desert shield accidental types than there were in dessert
storm (the military is a dangerous job one soldier in my sons unit was
killed last April while training on bangalore torpedoes on the big island of
Hawaii just another SNAFU) My biggest thing was to get people to look at the
number of casualties then look at the number of missions accomplished and
WHO was Helped! I can remember most of those missions but during the Clinton
years there were less casualties and more real peace seeking missions they
did not include in there list the hurricane disaster relief operations
either those were the most satisfying ones for me (My unit was awarded the
Army superior unit award for relief operations in three disaster
simultaneously across ten time zones, I was involved in all three recalled
from one mission to go to Andrew in Louisiana but Typhoon Omar stuck Guam
and we went there then we returned via Kauai due to Hurricane Iniki while
our east coast teams took care of Florida, not bad for a unit that has less
than 200 active duty soldiers in it.) and yet on the first day a National
Guardsmen was killed by a fallen power line and they also did not include
Fuertos Caminos down in Honduras there were several accidents down there
that took a few lives of both active and National Guardsmen (both of these
missions were under Bush). But I feel we did a lot more real good peace
making missions with fewer casualties under Clinton than with Reagan or
Bush. The only thing he lied about was a LITTLE SEX whereas Reagan and Bush
lied to congress about there little war down in Nicaragua and the trading
of arms for hostages especially after declaring never again during the 80
campaign will America be held hostage. Of course the biggest thing is that
if you are a higher up your ass is covered even if you are caught look at
Ollie North he outright stepped and shit on the constitution and now jokes
about it he can even run for political office yet if a lowly NCO was caught
like that he'd still be in Leavenworth! The other thing is that all of
these were low level conflicts not WAR'S we never declared war in any of
these and have not since WWII. And last I heard Sadam is still the one in
charge over in Iraq and only now is the US trying to force the UN to hold
war crimes trials for the Kuwait and Kurdish deaths caused by this Tyrant.
U.S. Military Deployments/Engagements 1975-1997
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Casualties
Mission Dates Strength Deaths Wounded
Evacuation of Saigon Apr 1975 865 Marines, 70 helos
Mayaguez Rescue May 12-15 1975 41 50
Evacuation of 250 U.S. and other westerners from Lebanon Jul 22-23 1976 US
Navy helos
Korea-"tree cutting U.S. incident" 1976 Unspecified Reinforcements 2 4
Sinai Multinational Force and Observers(MFO) 1979-82 200 civilians
1,000 military
Zaire May-Jun 1978 Aircraft to move Belgian & French troops to rescue
westerners
Iran-Desert One Apr 1980 6 US transports, 8 helos 8 5
Libya-Gulf of Sidra Aug 1981 2 aircraft from USS Nimitz
El Salvador 1981-90 55 advisers to government forces 6 3
Nicaragua 1981-90 Helos and pilots for Honduran force deployment
Lebanon Aug-Sep 1982 80 Marines for PLO departure
Lebanon Sep 1982-84 1900 Marines & Army as part of international force 263
169
Egypt-Sudan 1983 AWACS plane to Egypt after Libya bombed Khartum,Sudan
Chad 1983 2 AWACS & 8 F-15s to assist Chad against Libya
Grenada-Urgent to assist Chad against Libya 1983-85 8,800 troops 19 11
Lebanon Hostages 1984
Egyptian Air Intercept-Achille Lauro terrorists Oct 1985 4 F-14s
Libya-Gulf of Sidra 1986 Missiles from naval task force
Libya-Tripoli raid Apr 1986 100 aircraft 2
Operation Blast Furnace (antinarcotics) 1986- Army helos & personnel to
assist Bolivia
Persian Gulf Reflagging Operation "Earnest Will" 1987-88 Various USN ships
39
USS Stark 31
Panama 1988 1,000 additional troops
Libya 1989 2 F-14s down 2 Libyan planes
Panama May 1989 1,900 additional troops
Bolivia, Peru, Colombia Sep 1989 Approx. 100 troops for transport &
anti-narcotics training
Philippines Dec 1989 Aircraft from Clarke and 100 Marines to US Embassy in
Manila
Panama-Just Cause 1989-90 14,000 troops in addition to troops in
situ --27,351 total 23 324
Liberia-Operation Sharp Edge Jun 1990 4 ships & 2,000 Marines assist in
evacuation
Desert Shield/Desert Storm 1990-91 665,476 troops 383 467
Operation Eastern Exit--NEO from Somalia Jan 1991 2 Marine Amphibious Ready
Groups
Bangladesh-Operation Sea Angel May 1991 Humanitarian relief
Zaire-Operation Quick Lift Sep 1991 Aircraft to move Belgian & French troops
to rescue westerners
Kurdish relief "Provide Comfort" and "Safe Haven" 1991-1996 13,000 troops in
Provide Comfort; 5,000 in Safe Haven
Operation Southern Watch (Iraq): Major contingency action 1991-1996 Aircraft
no-fly zone & Maritime intercept
Oct 1994 21,668 deployed to area
Operation Desert Falcon (Saudi Arabia) 1991- Ballistic missile defense: 800
Haitian refugees: Operation GITMO 1991-94 U.S. Coast Guard and Navy
Operation Provide Hope Feb 1992 Emergency airlift of excess medical supplies
to former Soviet states
Sierra Leone - Noncombatant evacuation May 1992
Somalia: Operation Restore Hope 1992-93 25,800 35 153
Former Yugoslavia
Operation Provide Promise
Opns Maritime Monitor/Guard
Operation Sharp Guard
Operation Deny Flight 1992-95 Airlift famine relief,Sea cargo monitoring and
embargo in Adriatic, No-fly zone enforcement
Angola-Operation Provide Transition Aug 1992 Airlift of demobilized Angolan
soldiers
Somalia, Kenya Operation Provide Relief 1992 Airlift of humanitarian aid for
refugees
Operation Able Sentry 1993- 450 in Macedonia
Korea (nuclear power plants) 1994 Deployment of Patriot batteries and
aircraft with support
Haiti: Operations 1993-95
Support Democracy Naval blockade
Restore Democracy 21,000 2 3
Uphold Democracy Nation building
Cuban refugees Guantanamo: Operation Sea Signal 1994-96 U.S. Marines, Navy,
Coast Guard
Rwanda: Joint Task Force Support Hope 1994-95 2,300
Persian Gulf Operation Vigilant Warrior 1994 29,000 in theater
Somalia--UN withdrawal - Operation United Shield 1995 7,000 Marines, Navy
Operation Deliberate Force (Bosnia air strikes) 1995 U.S. and NATO air and
naval forces
Intervention Force (IFOR)NATO in Bosnia Operation Joint Endeavor 1995-96
20,000, 58,000 total force 1 4
Stabilization Force (SFOR) NATO in Bosnia Operation Joint Guard 1996-98
7,700 in Bosnia
3,000 in "rim" countries
36,000 total force
Former Yugoslavia 1996-
Operation Deliberate Guard No-fly zone
Operation Determined Guard Embargo
Operation Desert Strike Sep 1996 Air attack over Southern Iraq
Operation Northen Watch (No-fly zone over Northern Iraq) 1996- 1,100
Operation Pacific Haven (Relocate 6,500 Kurds to Guam) 1996-1977 1,690
military and civilians
Central African Republic NEO: Operation Quick Response 1996
Liberia-Operation Assured Response Evacuate noncombatants (2,400 from 68
countries) 1996-
Zaire/Rwanda Operation Guardian Assistance 1996
Military Observation Mission in Ecuador and Peru (MOMEP)Operation Safe
Border 1995-1997 Logistics & Air transport, 4 UH-60 helos and 64 USA
Operation Assured Lift (Liberia) 1997 5 C-130's and 200 USAF
Operation Silver Wake: Albania NEO 1997 Helicopters 4,000 offshore
Sources: Defense Almanac, 1996; DoD and Military Department Public Affairs
Offices. Table prepared by Center for Defense Information.
"Rich Lesperance" <ri...@ufl.edu> wrote in message
news:8qeb80$5e5o$1...@spnode25.nerdc.ufl.edu...
> And it's "Reagan" with an 'A', not "Reagen" with an 'E'.
>
> Rich L
>
>
>
>
>
Jason O'Rourke
>>Carter was, at least, real. He made decisions based on his conscience,
>>right or wrong --- whether you agree with them or not, they were
>>*his*, and he stood behind them.
>No not really, he made a lot of decisions that followed the typical
>"Big gov. party line"
And yet his government ran a deficit in the 60-70B range. Reagan upped
that to 300B or so, and Bush took it slightly further. This in spite of
the SS surplus arranged by Reagan's increase of the FICA tax. But I
suppose you believe they don't promote the big gov. party line.
Carter demonstrated that it's not always popular to run a small
government, especially when the Arabs have control of oil.
Jason O'Rourke
>And speaking of Presidents, past and future (sic) ... last evening I was
>delayed on the 405 fwy S bound at the 110 fwy by Presidential Candidate
>Gore's caravan. Myself along with a few thousand other individuals were
>stopped by the CHP for almost 25 minutes while the parade of 16 CHP motor
>officers, 6 blacked out Suburbans, two stretch armored limos and 4 CHP
>cruisers drove past us in the car pool lane at 20 miles an hour.
>
>motorcade kept me from getting to the shop on time last night to get mix
A few years back that MF nearly stranded thousands of us in Las Vegas
because he had to leave town via the main airport on a Sunday
night. Nevermind the presence of perfectly good and secured military
airstrips nearby. At the very least he could have arranged for a time
other than when half the visitors leave town.
If you ever wanted to know how mean Southwest pilots could get on the
intercomm....
Rich Lesperance
Jammer Six <jam...@oz.net> wrote in message
news:8qemhu$i7l$0...@216.39.130.89...> >? I apologize that this is so, because it implies I underestimated you.
>
> Accepted.
>
> When are you coming up here to fuck with Scott?
>
Sadly, the PNW is not on my short list of dive vacation spots anytime soon.
The question is, when are YOU guys coming down to Florida for Cave 1 ?
Rich
Rich Lesperance
<kmy...@alaska.net> wrote
-- the government couldn't pay their bills, federal
> employees went unpaid for months, many services were shut down.
> Period. That's history.
As opposed to the government being shut down? That's history, too.
> Not especially. Couldn't even read the gawdammed paper. Couldn't even
> hold his head up in briefings. Forgot where he was half the time. Got
> it?
Oh, and you were there to remind him, were you?
Rich L
Rich Lesperance
Jerome O'Neil <jer...@activeindexing.com> wrote
> I had Bush Sr. make me late for a Padre's game once. He had a huge
caravan
> blocking traffic on the way to the Murph, stayed for three innings, then
> left.
>
Yeah, and Clinton held up air traffic at LAX for a haircut from someone with
only one name.
I think we can all argee that all of them can act kinda regal (not a
compliment) sometimes.
Rich L
Rich Lesperance
Secondly, you're quoting from a source that describes Grenada - Urgent Fury
as an operation to support Chad against Libya? Didn't this trigger ANY
doubts in your mind about the accuracy of the information?
And now you admit that the DS/DS numbers include traffic accidents. Did you
just discover that now (a little late in checking your facts, are we?) or
were you going to hold that back from everyone?
> But Bush is listed since he got us in there first!
And like I said, it was mission creep under Clinton that caused the battle
of Mogadishu.
>The only thing he lied about was a LITTLE SEX whereas Reagan and Bush
> lied to congress about there little war down in Nicaragua
You don't KNOW about Reagan and Bush lying about that, but Clinton ADMITTED
to lying. You're simply making an accusation to support your personal
political beliefs (or demagoguery.)
Clinton was president when SMA Gene McKinney was removed from his post for
_accusations_ of sexual harassment (not with a girl his daughters age).
Clinton was president when a female B-52 pilot was kicked out of the
military for lying about her adulterous relationship. You see, she only
controlled six nuclear weapons. Yet Clinton, who controls all of them, may
lie to the US public because it's only about sex?
You just don't get it, do you? It's not about sex. It's about TELLING THE
FUCKING TRUTH.
> Ollie North he outright stepped and shit on the constitution and now jokes
> about it he can even run for political office yet if a lowly NCO was
caught
> like that he'd still be in Leavenworth!
Right, and that same lowly NCO gets a court-martial or BCD for lying about
sex.
YOU brought this issue up, so don't complain about me airing it.
Dude, get this straight. It's not about sex. It's not even that much about
policies (for me, at least).
It's about character. It's about not being a hypocrite.
When SecCommerce Ron Brown's plane went down in Croatia, Clinton attended
the memorial service. He was filmed coming out of the church, laughing with
one of his aids, until he noticed the camera, at which point he started
wiping away 'tears' that had magically appeared.
And here I thought Reagan was the actor.
Rich L
Rich Lesperance
Jerome O'Neil <jer...@activeindexing.com> wrote in message
news:YWLy5.89$Sx5.1...@news.uswest.net...
> ghorn...@aol.com (GHorn82707) elucidates:
> > Mike, I am not so sure Reagan will be forgotten. Most people did very
well
> > while he was in office, me included. I think the president with the
least
> > memorable record will be Jimmy Carter. Most people can't remember
anything he
> > did that was notable. Just goes to show how knowledgeable people really
are.
>
>
> He liberated Panama.
>
Who, Reagan?
Check again.
Rich L
Jerome O'Neil
> Sadly, the PNW is not on my short list of dive vacation spots anytime soon.
> The question is, when are YOU guys coming down to Florida for Cave 1 ?
Soon as they get some caves up here. We'd much rather wrastle the
octopi for the dungies.
Jerome O'Neil
> I think we can all argee that all of them can act kinda regal (not a
> compliment) sometimes.
Absolutely my point. Ain't one of them worth a damn. Not one.
Jerome O'Neil
>> He liberated Panama.
> Who, Reagan?
No. Carter.
> Check again.
OK. Carter liberated Panama. Honest.
Adrian
Couldn't have said it better myself....
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"Rich Lesperance" <ri...@ufl.edu> wrote in message
news:8qgh84$1giu8$6...@spnode25.nerdc.ufl.edu...
> First off, enough with the stream of consciousness thing. Use paragraphs.
>
> Secondly, you're quoting from a source that describes Grenada - Urgent
Fury
> as an operation to support Chad against Libya? Didn't this trigger ANY
> doubts in your mind about the accuracy of the information?
>
> And now you admit that the DS/DS numbers include traffic accidents. Did
you
> just discover that now (a little late in checking your facts, are we?) or
> were you going to hold that back from everyone?
>
> > But Bush is listed since he got us in there first!
> And like I said, it was mission creep under Clinton that caused the battle
> of Mogadishu.
>
> >The only thing he lied about was a LITTLE SEX whereas Reagan and Bush
> > lied to congress about there little war down in Nicaragua
>
> You don't KNOW about Reagan and Bush lying about that, but Clinton
ADMITTED
> to lying. You're simply making an accusation to support your personal
> political beliefs (or demagoguery.)
>
> Clinton was president when SMA Gene McKinney was removed from his post for
> _accusations_ of sexual harassment (not with a girl his daughters age).
>
> Clinton was president when a female B-52 pilot was kicked out of the
> military for lying about her adulterous relationship. You see, she only
> controlled six nuclear weapons. Yet Clinton, who controls all of them, may
> lie to the US public because it's only about sex?
>
> You just don't get it, do you? It's not about sex. It's about TELLING THE
> FUCKING TRUTH.
>
> > Ollie North he outright stepped and shit on the constitution and now
jokes
> > about it he can even run for political office yet if a lowly NCO was
> caught
> > like that he'd still be in Leavenworth!
>
Suds
<snip>
> As opposed to the government being shut down? That's history, too.
As I recall, the government shut down was due to Newt Gingrich and his
minions. I turned out to be very embarrasing for Newt. Only the true
Republican faithful tried to blame Clinton for that one.
Suds
Scott
And, after I take tech 1 from Andrew.
Scott
Rich Lesperance <ri...@ufl.edu> wrote in message
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>
> Jammer Six <jam...@oz.net> wrote in message
> news:8qemhu$i7l$0...@216.39.130.89...
> > In article <8qecav$qub2$1...@spnode25.nerdc.ufl.edu>, Rich Lesperance
> > <ri...@ufl.edu> wrote:
> >
> > >? I apologize that this is so, because it implies I underestimated you.
> >
> > Accepted.
> >
> > When are you coming up here to fuck with Scott?
> >
>
>
> Sadly, the PNW is not on my short list of dive vacation spots anytime
soon.
> The question is, when are YOU guys coming down to Florida for Cave 1 ?
>
> Rich
>
>
Suds
news:Pine.SOL.4.21.000922...@green.csi.cam.ac.uk...
>
> On the contrary - how many US Presidents have vomitted into the lap of
> HM The Queen?
????? Could you be thinking about Bush Sr. and the Prime Minister of Japan?
Suds
Jason O'Rourke
>> As opposed to the government being shut down? That's history, too.
>minions. I turned out to be very embarrasing for Newt. Only the true
>Republican faithful tried to blame Clinton for that one.
No, that was Clinton's doing in response to their (both) inability to
find a middle ground. Only the Executive can shut down the
government. I'll agree that Newt took the brunt of public opinion over
it.
Rich Lesperance
Jerome O'Neil <jer...@activeindexing.com> wrote
> > Who, Reagan?
>
> No. Carter.
>
> > Check again.
>
> OK. Carter liberated Panama. Honest.
>
Ahhh, now I get it <g>.
See, forgettable <g>.
Rich L
linda
>
> Mike, I am not so sure Reagan will be forgotten. Most people did very well
> while he was in office, me included. I think the president with the least
> memorable record will be Jimmy Carter. Most people can't remember anything he
> did that was notable. Just goes to show how knowledgeable people really are.
> >entertained us with:
> >
> >>And it's "Reagan" with an 'A', not "Reagen" with an 'E'.
> >
> >
>
> George R Horn
> Owner Scuba Divine
> Horn's Cycle Service
> Brooklyn, NY
> (718) 647 1089
> www.scubadivine.com
Ah, We can't forget that Carter practically single handedly destroyed
whatever intelligence gathering organization we had in North Africa (and
a few other places), can we?
Gary
Rich Lesperance
<kmy...@alaska.net> wrote
>
> I can hold my head up, stay awake, and read the gawdammed newspaper.
>
> Any problems with that?
>
> I didn't think so.
>
> Now, where were you?
>
> Smoking pot down at the 7-11?
>
Nope - I was carrying a rifle and a rucksack.
While you were reading your "gawdammed newspaper", I was 'doing' the foreign
policy.
Any problems with that?
I didn't think so.
Rich L
Rich Lesperance
<kmy...@alaska.net> wrote
>
> Fer chrissakes, doesn't anybody here read the paper?
>
Well, I _was_ going to chime in, but I figured you'd just accuse me of being
able to "watch the gawdammed TV" again <g>.
Rich L
Rich Lesperance
<kmy...@alaska.net> wrote
> Good.
>
> At least I now know that you can watch TV.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael
Hmm, you sound rather petulant that someone else can demonstrate a grasp of
current events.
Not _my_ fault if your idol can be tarred with the same brush you're
wielding against others....
Rich L
Rich Lesperance
<kmy...@alaska.net> wrote
> Huh?
>
> *Another* psuedo-post from MJBuckwheat? ;-)
>
> Regards,
>
Nah, I don't think so. I think he's a real person, not another MJB sock
puppet.
In all fairness, I _did_ come down a little too hard on him for the
incorrect statistics...
Rich L
Scott
Whets a paper?
Scott
<kmy...@alaska.net> wrote in message
news:39cef50b...@news.supernews.com...
> On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:05:50 +0100, Iain Smith
> <im...@hermes.cam.ac.uk> entertained us with:
>
> >> Well, we definitely differ on this. I think he will become a v-e-r-y
> >> un-memorable president.
> >
> >On the contrary - how many US Presidents have vomitted into the lap of
> >HM The Queen?
>
> I believe that was Bush. And I HOPE that he's remembered for that
> episode.
>
> Fer chrissakes, doesn't anybody here read the paper?
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael
>
> The experiment has begun. One million
> monkeys at one million keyboards. We
> call it Usenet.
kmy...@alaska.net
entertained us with:
>> Not especially. Couldn't even read the gawdammed paper. Couldn't even
>> hold his head up in briefings. Forgot where he was half the time. Got
>> it?
>
>Oh, and you were there to remind him, were you?
Nope. Didn't say I was.
But, I was, and am, up on current events.
Translation:
I can hold my head up, stay awake, and read the gawdammed newspaper.
Any problems with that?
I didn't think so.
Now, where were you?
Smoking pot down at the 7-11?
Regards,
kmy...@alaska.net
entertained us with:
>
>Rich Lesperance <ri...@ufl.edu> wrote in message
>news:8qgh7s$1giu8$3...@spnode25.nerdc.ufl.edu...
><snip>
>> As opposed to the government being shut down? That's history, too.
><snip>
>
>As I recall, the government shut down was due to Newt Gingrich and his
>minions. I turned out to be very embarrasing for Newt. Only the true
>Republican faithful tried to blame Clinton for that one.
>
>Suds
Wrong decade.
Try again.
kmy...@alaska.net
<im...@hermes.cam.ac.uk> entertained us with:
>> Well, we definitely differ on this. I think he will become a v-e-r-y
>> un-memorable president.
>
>On the contrary - how many US Presidents have vomitted into the lap of
>HM The Queen?
I believe that was Bush. And I HOPE that he's remembered for that
episode.
Fer chrissakes, doesn't anybody here read the paper?
Regards,
kmy...@alaska.net
entertained us with:
>Yeah, and Clinton held up air traffic at LAX for a haircut from someone with
>only one name.
Good.
At least I now know that you can watch TV.
Regards,
kmy...@alaska.net
entertained us with:
>Iain Smith <im...@hermes.cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
>news:Pine.SOL.4.21.000922...@green.csi.cam.ac.uk...
>>
>> On the contrary - how many US Presidents have vomitted into the lap of
>> HM The Queen?
>
>????? Could you be thinking about Bush Sr. and the Prime Minister of Japan?
>
>Suds
>
Hey. You get a gold star :-)
kmy...@alaska.net
O'Neil) entertained us with:
>ghorn...@aol.com (GHorn82707) elucidates:
>> Mike, I am not so sure Reagan will be forgotten. Most people did very well
>> while he was in office, me included. I think the president with the least
>> memorable record will be Jimmy Carter. Most people can't remember anything he
>> did that was notable. Just goes to show how knowledgeable people really are.
>
>
>He liberated Panama.
LOL
kmy...@alaska.net
entertained us with:
>Ok if you read the post you would see that I did say there were more but I
>could only find the years 1975-97 here is where I found them
>http://www.cdi.org/issues/USForces/deployments.html so please take back the
>LIAR quote.
Huh?
*Another* psuedo-post from MJBuckwheat? ;-)
Regards,
kmy...@alaska.net
entertained us with:
>And yet his government ran a deficit in the 60-70B range. Reagan upped
>that to 300B or so, and Bush took it slightly further. This in spite of
>the SS surplus arranged by Reagan's increase of the FICA tax. But I
>suppose you believe they don't promote the big gov. party line.
>
>Carter demonstrated that it's not always popular to run a small
>government, especially when the Arabs have control of oil.
Two gold stars for jor **
kmy...@alaska.net
entertained us with:
>While you were reading your "gawdammed newspaper", I was 'doing' the foreign
>policy.
Well, that explains why you weren't 'up to par' on the political
events of the day. Maybe you'd be better off commenting on what you
know, instead, eh?
Suds
<kmy...@alaska.net> wrote in message
news:39cdf4e3...@news.supernews.com...
> Wrong decade.
>
> Try again.
Please, educate us!
kmy...@alaska.net
entertained us with:
>Hmm, you sound rather petulant that someone else can demonstrate a grasp of
>current events.
Petulant?
>Not _my_ fault if your idol can be tarred with the same brush you're
>wielding against others....
Who's my idol? C'mon. One guess.
Wrong.
Does it make you happy to put words in other's mouths?
Like I said, Richie --- better stick to talking about something you're
familiar with.
kmy...@alaska.net
entertained us with:
>Well, I _was_ going to chime in, but I figured you'd just accuse me of being
>able to "watch the gawdammed TV" again <g>.
Good. I see that you *may* have caught the humor behind the remark ;-)
A half star for you <g>
kmy...@alaska.net
entertained us with:
>What paper?
>
>Whets a paper?
>
>Scott
That stuff you use to wipe your ass with ;-)
You do, don't you?
kmy...@alaska.net
entertained us with:
>Nah, I don't think so. I think he's a real person, not another MJB sock
>puppet.
Hey, next time you hear that "ding da ding" come down the block, run
outside and grab yourself an ice cream cone. OK? The Good Humor man
only comes around every once-in-a-while, ya know...
>In all fairness, I _did_ come down a little too hard on him for the
>incorrect statistics...
Most of us are all grown up around here, and should be able to take a
beating or two without getting bent outta shape.<g?>
Including <wheeeeze> me.