What happened to NAUI?
jujitsu
an active scuba diver until about the mid-80's. I used to meet as many
who were NAUI cert'ed as PADI, but not anymore. Anyone know why?
Jackie Lopez
ago so they are still out there.
Greg Kerr
jujitsu wrote:
NAUI is still a strong organization but has had some problems. They
actually went bancrupt here in Canada several years back due to poor
business management, but are now up and running regaining market share in
this country. The problem the non profit agencies have is that PADI's for
profit McDiver philosophy has been very effective in increasing % market
share. I am a PADI dive master but am seriously considering the possibility
of switching to NAUI to get my instructor ticket. While PADI is the
biggest, I am not convinced they are necessarily the best organization.
Greg
Heck
wrote:
>Maybe this is a dumb question. I've been out of the loop a while. I was
>an active scuba diver until about the mid-80's. I used to meet as many
>who were NAUI cert'ed as PADI, but not anymore. Anyone know why?
Where are you diving?
I've heard that back East, many more of the shops tend to be PADI than
NAUI (so more people would be cert'ed PADI). Out here in California
the reverse seems to be true - I know more NAUI cert'ed divers, and I
can't think of more than a handful of PADI cert'ed divers.
- heck
Mike from Ottawa
wrote:
>Maybe this is a dumb question. I've been out of the loop a while. I was
>an active scuba diver until about the mid-80's. I used to meet as many
>who were NAUI cert'ed as PADI, but not anymore. Anyone know why?
NAUI is alive and well in Ottawa, Ontario. A group of us got
certified last spring, through Burton's dive shop. The course was
excellent and thorough. I had asked around before deciding, and
NAUI/Burton's was the feedback I received.
There are a few PADI shops, and PADI seems to be much better
represented in most cities.
JS1Scuba
NAUI is alive and well and propsering.
They recently moved HW to Tampa, have had a significant increase in
certifications, has made significant inroads on the international markets and
has created a significantly powerful and well designed technical program.
Joel Silverstein
NAUI Course Director
www.NitroxDiver.com
Alan Golden
>
> Maybe this is a dumb question. I've been out of the loop a while. I was
> an active scuba diver until about the mid-80's. I used to meet as many
> who were NAUI cert'ed as PADI, but not anymore. Anyone know why?
NAUI of the YMCA, as they get more and more upset at PADI
McMike
>
>>Maybe this is a dumb question. I've been out of the loop a while. I was
>>an active scuba diver until about the mid-80's. I used to meet as many
>>who were NAUI cert'ed as PADI, but not anymore. Anyone know why?
>
>certified last spring, through Burton's dive shop. The course was
>excellent and thorough. I had asked around before deciding, and
>NAUI/Burton's was the feedback I received.
>
>There are a few PADI shops, and PADI seems to be much better
>represented in most cities.
>
>
I'm outnumbered by PADI divers about 5:1! I've got a handle on the problem,
though: found a NAUI instructor here in Japan (where we're stationed) and I'm
gettin' 'em qual'd by the dozen!
Scuba@cyberdude
Take a look at the NAUI website, you might get a clue.
>
>Sam
>
Exactly - You might just get a clue, instead of getting a
PADI scam. NAUI takes dive education seriously, whereas
PADI appears to just be interested in their pyramid scheme
business opportunities. PADI is big. NAUI trains better. As
someone here has in his sig, "My opinion, and worth
everything you paid for it."
docp...@iname.com
> Exactly - You might just get a clue, instead of getting a
> PADI scam. NAUI takes dive education seriously, whereas
> PADI appears to just be interested in their pyramid scheme
> business opportunities. PADI is big. NAUI trains better. As
> someone here has in his sig, "My opinion, and worth
> everything you paid for it."
>
That's MY occassional sig, whatever-your-name-is. And I'm also a PADI member.
I like PADI. They trained me well, they support me when I need it. My SO was
trained by NAUI. Her training was no better, no worse than mine at the same
level. My sister is SSI certified. She's competent, too. PADI has no pyramid
scheme in operation. They may be big, they may be for-profit and you may hate
them. But please refrain from slandering them with criminal accusations. If
you have legitimate complaints, feel free to ennumerate them and we can have
a discussion. Otherwise, please go away.
Just my opinion - and the facts, Jack.
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Perry
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Scuba@cyberdude
Otherwise, please go away.
>
>Just my opinion - and the facts, Jack.
>--
>Perry
No. We are both entitled to our opinions. I'm certified
both PADI and NAUI. As you'll see in another post, MY
preference is NAUI. That doesn't mean PADI doesn't turn out
competent divers. I just don't like the way they do
business, and *I* believe, both from personal experience and
observation that NAUI's training is more thorough. You
disagree - Ok with me. I'm still not going away.
Scuba@cyberdude
>
>Sam
I guess that's really all I'm saying, except that I just
don't like the *way* they do business. The "Diving Society"
for one thing, has me pissed.
Scuba@cyberdude
sm...@juno.com wrote in message
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>In article <cC9P1.19537$aY.52...@news.giganews.com>,
> "Scuba@cyberdude" <rdno...@panama.c-com.net> wrote:
>> I guess that's really all I'm saying, except that I just
>> don't like the *way* they do business. The "Diving
Society"
>> for one thing, has me pissed.
>
NDA, Naui Diving
>Association. It was open to all interested in diving; they
couldn't make a go
>of it and canned it. Interesting?
Interesting maybe yes. Did NAUI resort to the deceptive
practices that PADI has with direct mail advertising
specifically designed to look like a bill that you're
*supposed* to pay? I rather doubt it, if for no other
reason than the fact that PADI is a for-profit agency,
whereas NAUI is a non-profit one. It isn't the "diving
society" itself that has me pissed - it's the *method* by
which they "advertise." It's deceptive, and even if I had
NO concerns about their training methods, this would drop
them way down as far as any respect or credibility is
concerned. Mainly, the reason I sort of "backed off" a
little was that when I read the post from the newbie who is
now concerned about his choice of classes, I was reminded
that some of our words here have a different effect on those
who are new - or about to be - to our wonderful sport.
Sometimes we (I) get all hung up on the details and forget
that there are others who read this stuff a bit differently.
I don't feel that's necessary and become concerned myself
with the effect. I know of no agencies who don't turn out
basically safe, competent divers. After that, it's up to
both the instructor AND the student as to what they do with
it. Instead of "bad," I'd rather just say "weak" and then
that further knowledge is up to the new diver to gain and
understand. His presence on this NG is a good start, even
if the rest of us tend to be - er, "blunt" sometimes. Can
we agree on THAT?
Chuck
Scuba@cyberdude wrote in message ...
>
>sm...@juno.com wrote in message
><6ujllv$oj6$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>>In article <cC9P1.19537$aY.52...@news.giganews.com>,
>> "Scuba@cyberdude" <rdno...@panama.c-com.net> wrote:
>>> I guess that's really all I'm saying, except that I just
>>> don't like the *way* they do business. The "Diving
>Society"
>>> for one thing, has me pissed.
>>
>>NAUI tried something similar several years ago with their
>NDA, Naui Diving
>>Association. It was open to all interested in diving; they
>couldn't make a go
>>of it and canned it. Interesting?
>
>Interesting maybe yes. Did NAUI resort to the deceptive
>practices that PADI has with direct mail advertising
>specifically designed to look like a bill that you're
>*supposed* to pay? I rather doubt it, if for no other
>reason than the fact that PADI is a for-profit agency,
>whereas NAUI is a non-profit one
Thats all I need to see of this drivel. NAUI is a not for profit
corporation
for tax purposes. That does not mean they do not make a profit
nor does it mean they do not pursue profit. Any not-for-profit corporation
that does not pursue profit, will soon become as extinct as the dodo.
As a point of interest, Blue Cross in most states is (or was when I worked
for them) a not-for-profit corporation. Anyone want to make bets on whether
or not they made a profit last year?
If you didn't like the way your PADI/NAUI/YMCA/XYZ/whatever instructor
trained
you, complain to the agency but be sure you have the facts or it will not
amount
to anything. Point out the standard that was violated or keep quiet.
Chuck Hopf
Scuba@cyberdude
Chuck wrote in message
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>
>Scuba@cyberdude wrote in message ...
>>
>Thats all I need to see of this drivel.
<snip>
>If you didn't like the way your PADI/NAUI/YMCA/XYZ/whatever
instructor
>trained
>you, complain to the agency but be sure you have the facts
or it will not
>amount
>to anything. Point out the standard that was violated or
keep quiet.
>
>Chuck Hopf
Well, I guess my efforts didn't work and we *can't* agree on
anything can we?
In that case, understand you may not get me to leave (as in
your last post) and I will not "keep quiet." No standards
were violated. That's the very issue - weak standards.
I suppose now I have to resort to a much more academic way
of saying it - "fuck off!"
BrettM
NAUI has tended to have the strongest presence on the West coast and Pacific
while PADI has tended to grow more from the east coast and carribean. PADI
networks in with a much more aggressive marketing of products and services for
dive shops which makes them desireable from a revenue standpoint. The feeling
is that PADI really stands for Put Another Dollar In. That is great if you are
a dive shop looking to enhance sales and income. With any certification agency
the quality of instruction is more due to the quality of your instructor than
on the agency. Both NAUI and PADI have fine programs and are widely accepted.
Neil Pickup
RCole35032
ALL DIVE AGENCYS ARE ABOUT MONEY,NOY JUST PADI.
Alan Golden
>
> ALL DIVE AGENCYS ARE ABOUT MONEY,NOY JUST PADI.
All agencies need money to function, to maintain an office staff,
process cards, etc. Instructors need to make at least enough to cover
expenses like insurance and renewal. Not all are about money by
philosophy however. The YMCA is still a not for profit organization, and
the charter of the YMCA insures that it will remain that way.
Alan Golden
YMCA instructor # 054-50-9687
chilli...@gmail.com
> Maybe this is a dumb question. I've been out of the loop a while. I was
> an active scuba diver until about the mid-80's. I used to meet as many
> who were NAUI cert'ed as PADI, but not anymore. Anyone know why?
euphemism
diving, I returned to the sport to discover that EANX was everywhere and
to enjoy it's fantastic benefits, I would need to take a course on the
topic. The instructor for the course was was NAUI certified and the
card I received was from NAUI. That was maybe 4 - 5 years ago.
Having worked for years (way back in the '70s) as a PADI instructor, I
rubbed elbows with instructors from all persuasions, including NAUI,
NASDS, SSI and YMCA. All had strong opinions and the stronger those
opinions, the more likely they were to hold that PADI was the "whore" of
the entire certification industry. I know that NAUI folks were very
keen on their tougher regimes - I guess they felt that diving belonged
to the real men and the rest of the world should stick to snorkeling.
As I continue to dive in my 60's, I see a dwindling population of young
people taking up the sport. Since divers are among the loudest voices
for conservation and protecting the oceans, this is not a good trend.