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Wade Gartin

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Aug 2, 1994, 6:23:27 PM8/2/94
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Just heard about an incident in which a diver was pick up by
a helicopters water bucket and dropped on a fire.
They found the diver in full gear, the body badly burned.
Has anyone else heard this, it was told to me as true but i
haven't seen any thing else about it.
Here in Idaho there are several fires right now, and the lakes
are often places where divers go, not to mention that fire fighting
aircraft make stops there also.
P.A.D.I. didn't cover that one in my course!

Wade

Brian Taylor

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Aug 3, 1994, 2:57:03 AM8/3/94
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Wade said

}Just heard about an incident in which a diver was pick up by
}a helicopters water bucket and dropped on a fire.
}They found the diver in full gear, the body badly burned.
}Has anyone else heard this, it was told to me as true but i
}haven't seen........etc
Over the years I've heard this one reported as an incident
from the south of France (x3), California (x2) and Australia.
Never seen it in an official incident report though - wonder
why! If anyone`s interested I could set up a series of courses
on explosive degassing, aerial recompression and entries into
flames ( hmmmmm maybe Nick and Bob would buy the last one...)
Brian
Opinions are mine and mine alone

Donna J. Souza

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Aug 3, 1994, 5:27:40 AM8/3/94
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This is about the fifth time I heard of such an incident. It is, of course,
just another urban myth that get resurected every time there are major forest
fires.

D.

David E. Bagley

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Aug 3, 1994, 1:15:02 PM8/3/94
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In article <CtxI7...@boi.hp.com>, wga...@boi.hp.com (Wade Gartin) wrote:

> Just heard about an incident in which a diver was pick up by
> a helicopters water bucket and dropped on a fire.
> They found the diver in full gear, the body badly burned.
> Has anyone else heard this, it was told to me as true but i
> haven't seen any thing else about it.

This particular tidbit is included in the FAQ of the Urban Legends
newsgroup, alt.folklore.urban, as follows:

F. Helicopter fights forest fires by scooping water from lake. Charred body
of scuba diver found in ashes. ["Death and Danger in the Air" in CBA]

The "F" proceding the listing indicates that the story is considered
false. The "CBA" reference is to the book "Curses! Broiled Again" by Jan
Harold Brunvand, the great archiver of Urban Legends. There is a
permanent place for your name in the a.f.u. FAQ if you can provide a solid
reference for this tale (newspaper clipping, etc.).

Happy diving! -DEB

Joy L. Silva

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Aug 3, 1994, 11:57:45 AM8/3/94
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All helicopter water buckets have an emergency escape hatch to prevent such
occurances. If the diver didn't exit the bucket after being scooped up he
must have been trapped by an equipment failure, or he was suicidal.

Doesn't your scuba cert agency cover this well know procedure?

Charlie Gibbs

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Aug 4, 1994, 12:49:46 AM8/4/94
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In article <1994Aug3.0...@amoco.com> bta...@amoco.com
(Brian Taylor) writes:

>Wade said


>}Just heard about an incident in which a diver was pick up by
>}a helicopters water bucket and dropped on a fire.
>}They found the diver in full gear, the body badly burned.
>}Has anyone else heard this, it was told to me as true but i

>}haven't seen........etc
>Over the years I've heard this one reported as an incident
>from the south of France (x3), California (x2) and Australia.
>Never seen it in an official incident report though - wonder
>why! If anyone`s interested I could set up a series of courses
>on explosive degassing, aerial recompression and entries into
>flames ( hmmmmm maybe Nick and Bob would buy the last one...)

Sounds like we have another three PADI specialties there... :-)

Charli...@mindlink.bc.ca
"Millions of months passed, and, 28 days later, the moon appeared."
-- Firesign Theatre

Steve Greenham

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Aug 3, 1994, 4:24:06 PM8/3/94
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> Just heard about an incident in which a diver was pick up by
> a helicopters water bucket and dropped on a fire.

Dead Granny story I'm afraid. I heard it a couple of years ago except
that it was a snorkeler, a plane and the south of france

Steve

James Bond

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Aug 8, 1994, 4:13:57 PM8/8/94
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I was in a similar incident. Fortunately I had my inflatable hang
glider attached to my BCD. I inflated quickly as I fell toward the
mountain. I glided back to the lake and completed my dive. Can you
believe my buddy didn't notice!

JB

Kinsley Wong

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Aug 9, 1994, 12:21:59 PM8/9/94
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Inflatable hangglider???
nuk nuk ....:-)))


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Bonello David DK

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Aug 10, 1994, 3:28:54 PM8/10/94
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In article <1994Aug3.0...@amoco.com>, bta...@amoco.com (Brian
Taylor) wrote:

I heard about this quite a few months ago. It was on the news and it
reported that the fellow was Greek and extremely unlucky!
Apparently very true!

Marc Dufour

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Aug 10, 1994, 3:23:59 PM8/10/94
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James Bond (jdz...@hearst.cac.psu.edu) wrote:
: I was in a similar incident. Fortunately I had my inflatable hang

: glider attached to my BCD. I inflated quickly as I fell toward the
: mountain. I glided back to the lake and completed my dive. Can you
: believe my buddy didn't notice!

Were you diving on nitrox so you did not had any DCS? And I see that
your buddy is a SLB (Same Lake Buddy)...

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David Linsley

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Aug 11, 1994, 1:36:27 AM8/11/94
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Quite possibly the poor bugger was unconcious or thought he was being eaten!

Have fun and prosper, Dave

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Kim Dyer

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Aug 10, 1994, 9:04:58 PM8/10/94
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>> }Just heard about an incident in which a diver was pick up by
>> }a helicopters water bucket and dropped on a fire.
>> }They found the diver in full gear, the body badly burned.
>I heard about this quite a few months ago. It was on the news and it
>reported that the fellow was Greek and extremely unlucky!

Legitimate press ... or Weekly World News? This urban legend has
been around for YEARS. I'm quite certain that Jan H. Brunvand and
several thousand people on alt.folklore.urban would just LOVE to
find an actual documented case of this happening.

Brian Roberts

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Aug 11, 1994, 9:01:46 AM8/11/94
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In article <32cdcr...@myall.awadi.com.au>

dlin...@awadi.com.au (David Linsley) writes:
>> All helicopter water buckets have an emergency escape hatch to prevent such
>> occurances. If the diver didn't exit the bucket after being scooped up he
>> must have been trapped by an equipment failure, or he was suicidal.
>>
>> Doesn't your scuba cert agency cover this well know procedure?
>>
>Quite possibly the poor bugger was unconcious or thought he was being eaten!
>Have fun and prosper, Dave

not that i want to keep this thread going too much, but if there were an
escape hatch in this bucket where exactly would you escape to?
wouldnt the waterbucket be quite high in the air by the time anyone
grasped the situation? And if it was some kind of door thing how many
people have enough strength to pull open some door that is being
pushed against by all that water? And why would they even put an
escape hatch in a bucket unless scouping up people was a constant
problem to warrant the design.

Joy L. Silva

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Aug 11, 1994, 4:05:16 PM8/11/94
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> not that i want to keep this thread going too much, but if there were an
> escape hatch in this bucket where exactly would you escape to?
> wouldnt the waterbucket be quite high in the air by the time anyone
> grasped the situation?

Thats what the inflatable hang glider is for.

> And if it was some kind of door thing how many
> people have enough strength to pull open some door that is being
> pushed against by all that water?

The door opens outward, so the water actually helps to spring it open.
Jees, don't you know anything? You must be PADI ;).

J Shepherd

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Aug 12, 1994, 2:55:06 PM8/12/94
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mdu...@CAM.ORG (Marc Dufour) writes:

>James Bond (jdz...@hearst.cac.psu.edu) wrote:
>: I was in a similar incident. Fortunately I had my inflatable hang
>: glider attached to my BCD. I inflated quickly as I fell toward the
>: mountain. I glided back to the lake and completed my dive. Can you
>: believe my buddy didn't notice!

> Were you diving on nitrox so you did not had any DCS? And I see that
>your buddy is a SLB (Same Lake Buddy)...

I'd like to point out that BSAC produce a set of tables for
*exactly* this situation, and all Novice II trainees must have logged
four such flights (one over 35000 ft) to qualify as Sport divers. Also,
the ABLJ (horsecollar type) when used with an emergency cylinder, is a
perfectly effective balloon.

Jason. If my tongue goes any further into my cheek I'll
gurgrhhrooj hick!

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