Merry New Year
Scott
either.
"New Year's Day. now is the accepted time to make your regular annual good
resolutions. Next week you can begin paving hell with them as usual."
Mark Twain
"An optimist stays up until midnight to see the New Year in. A pessimist
stays up to make sure the old year leaves." Bill Vaughan
Dennis (Icarus)
"Scott" <nu...@nope.com> wrote in message
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> I am glad the last one is gone, doesnt look too good for the next one
> either.
>
Remember that Obama inherited 2009 from the Bush administration. :-)
Hope and change are just around the corner.
<snip>
Dan Bracuk
>"New Year's Day. now is the accepted time to make your regular annual good
>resolutions.
I resolve to keep doing what I'm already doing unless I have a reason
to change.
Scott
"Dennis (Icarus)" <nojun...@ever.invalid> wrote in message
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I guess we can hope he changes and starts doing one or two of the things he
used as a podium during his campaign.
dechucka
not for this kid
"A FALLING bullet shot during New Year's Eve celebrations has
tragically killed a four-year-old boy."
"Ballistics expert Kelly Fite told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution
newspaper that the bullet had most likely been fired from an AK-47
assault rifle and could have been fired as far as three to five
kilometres away."
http://www.news.com.au/world/falling-bullet-kills-four-year-old-boy/story-e6frfkz0-1225815908833
Anyway I agree with your sentiments.
HAPPY NEW YEAR to all of you and yours ( excpet for thse of you who have a
different New Year who will have to keep these sentiments till it is your
turn)
Greg Mossman
> snip
>
> not for this kid
>
> "A FALLING bullet shot during New Year's Eve celebrations has
> tragically killed a four-year-old boy."
>
> "Ballistics expert Kelly Fite told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution
> newspaper that the bullet had most likely been fired from an AK-47
> assault rifle and could have been fired as far as three to five
> kilometres away."
Nonsense! What does the death of 4-year-old matter compared to our
2nd Amendment constitutional right to shoot AK-47s in the air on New
Year's. Remember, "shall not be infringed." Silly gun control laws
that prohibit shooting AK-47s in the air are just another way for
Obama to take away our god-given rights!
:)
In any case, "assault rifles" are a myth, as any gun nut can tell
you. Obviously your news story got the facts wrong. The 4-year-old
is probably just faking the hole in his head :)
Joe
gun nuts such as your self prove day after day that you gun nuts know
nothing of responsible gun ownership. Those of us that legally own
guns, and practice safety at all times would NEVER fire a weapon into
the air or at anything that we did not intend to shoot.
My guns and another 20 million or so responsible gun owners didn't kill
anyone today for an unlawful reason, nor yesterday and not tomorrow.
dechucka
"Joe" <J*e...@joe.com> wrote in message
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How do you know about tomorrow? Although by definition law abiding citizens
don't break the law because as soon as they start than they become
unlawabiding citizens.
Hopefully it was a tracer round so the kid of least could of screamed out "I
see the light before" before head butting the round and potentially damaging
the good citizens bullet.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
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> How do you know about tomorrow?
Because I know about yesterday.
How do you know you won't get drunk next week, and kill someone with the
car?
Better quit driving.
Especially since you're so STUPID.
--
--
Popeye
"If one does as God does enough times, one
will become as God is." -Dr. Hannibal Lector.
www.finalprotectivefire.com
http://picasaweb.google.com/Popeye8762
dechucka
"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in
message news:396dnbHhobDM6dvW...@supernews.com...
> "dechucka" <vo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6sOdne6xBYNt-tvW...@westnet.com.au...
>
>> How do you know about tomorrow?
>
> Because I know about yesterday.
Not a very logical comment when commenting about people you have no control
over
>
> How do you know you won't get drunk next week, and kill someone with the
> car?
Because I have control over myself. However I don't have control over all
the other law abiding citizens who currently don't drink and drive. I cannot
say if they will become unlawabiding ( what a great word ) drink drive and
kill someone
>
> Better quit driving.
>
> Especially since you're so STUPID.
of course when the logic goes out the window the ad hominem attacks come in.
Do you know what in principle I agree with what Joe says. I assume he won't
run amok or store his guns unsafely and that goes for the majority but
because guns are so freely available it is easy for those who want to run
amok or aren't responsible gun owner to get them. Consequence the number of
gun deaths in the US is so high.
Hey your country your constitution you go for it. Just think it is sad that
a kid dies playing video games in a church because some irresponsible person
has got his hands on an AK-47
Greg Mossman
> Do you know what in principle I agree with what Joe says. I assume he won't
> run amok or store his guns unsafely and that goes for the majority but
> because guns are so freely available it is easy for those who want to run
> amok or aren't responsible gun owner to get them. Consequence the number of
> gun deaths in the US is so high.
There still are a significant number of gun incidents perpetuated by
completely legal gun owners who go wacko and shoot up their workplace,
etc. Don't forget that we Americans invented the phrase "going
postal."
> Hey your country your constitution you go for it. Just think it is sad that
> a kid dies playing video games in a church because some irresponsible person
> has got his hands on an AK-47
At least we don't have dingoes running around stealing our babies...
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
>
> "Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in
> message news:396dnbHhobDM6dvW...@supernews.com...
>> "dechucka" <vo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:6sOdne6xBYNt-tvW...@westnet.com.au...
>>
>>> How do you know about tomorrow?
>>
>> Because I know about yesterday.
>
> Not a very logical comment when commenting about people you have no
> control over
It's perfectly logical, as the statistics show,
>> How do you know you won't get drunk next week, and kill someone with the
>> car?
>
> Because I have control over myself.
Even when you're drunk, eh?
>However I don't have control over all the other law abiding citizens who
>currently don't drink and drive. I cannot say if they will become
>unlawabiding ( what a great word ) drink drive and kill someone
>
>>
>> Better quit driving.
>>
>> Especially since you're so STUPID.
>
> of course when the logic goes out the window the ad hominem attacks come
> in.
Not at all.
But you still don't, after several years, know what an ad hominem attack
is.
Anyway, citing your repeated stupidity is simply a statement of fact.
> Do you know what in principle I agree with what Joe says.
No you don't, or you wouldn't have been running your mouth about it for
years.
You just can't help it.
> I assume he won't run amok or store his guns unsafely and that goes for
> the majority but because guns are so freely available it is easy for those
> who want to run amok or aren't responsible gun owner to get them.
> Consequence the number of gun deaths in the US is so high.
Now, -there's- where logic goes out the window.
> Hey your country your constitution you go for it. Just think it is sad
> that a kid dies playing video games in a church because some irresponsible
> person has got his hands on an AK-47
Which has nothing to do with our Constitution.
And you have no clue what kind of rifle it is.
You just say "AK-47" because it sounds the scariest to you and Greg.
dechucka
Logic breakdown on your part.
> You just can't help it.
>
>> I assume he won't run amok or store his guns unsafely and that goes for
>> the majority but because guns are so freely available it is easy for
>> those who want to run amok or aren't responsible gun owner to get them.
>> Consequence the number of gun deaths in the US is so high.
>
> Now, -there's- where logic goes out the window.
Using your analogy if there were no cars there would be no drunk drivers of
cars
>
>> Hey your country your constitution you go for it. Just think it is sad
>> that a kid dies playing video games in a church because some
>> irresponsible person has got his hands on an AK-47
>
> Which has nothing to do with our Constitution.
>
> And you have no clue what kind of rifle it is.
>
> You just say "AK-47" because it sounds the scariest to you and Greg.
Sorry just repeating from the article "Ballistics expert Kelly Fite told
the Atlanta Journal-Constitution newspaper that the bullet had most likely
been fired from an AK-47 assault rifle and could have been fired as far as
three to five kilometres away."
Popey, I'l think what I think and you claim what you think, Oh and of course
if my comments don't fit in with your rant than you will tell me what I
think as well
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
>>>>> How do you know about tomorrow?
>>>>
>>>> Because I know about yesterday.
>>>
>>> Not a very logical comment when commenting about people you have no
>>> control over
>>
>> It's perfectly logical, as the statistics show,
>>
>>>> How do you know you won't get drunk next week, and kill someone with
>>>> the car?
>>>
>>> Because I have control over myself.
>>
>> Even when you're drunk, eh?
No answer here, of course.
>>>However I don't have control over all the other law abiding citizens who
>>>currently don't drink and drive. I cannot say if they will become
>>>unlawabiding ( what a great word ) drink drive and kill someone
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Better quit driving.
>>>>
>>>> Especially since you're so STUPID.
>>>
>>> of course when the logic goes out the window the ad hominem attacks come
>>> in.
>>
>> Not at all.
>>
>> But you still don't, after several years, know what an ad hominem attack
>> is.
>>
>> Anyway, citing your repeated stupidity is simply a statement of fact.
>>
>>> Do you know what in principle I agree with what Joe says.
>>
>> No you don't, or you wouldn't have been running your mouth about it for
>> years.
>
> Logic breakdown on your part.
Blabbering with no explanation, one of your trademarks.
>> You just can't help it.
>>
>>> I assume he won't run amok or store his guns unsafely and that goes for
>>> the majority but because guns are so freely available it is easy for
>>> those who want to run amok or aren't responsible gun owner to get them.
>>> Consequence the number of gun deaths in the US is so high.
>>
>> Now, -there's- where logic goes out the window.
>
> Using your analogy if there were no cars there would be no drunk drivers
> of cars
Exactly.
Ban the car. end drunk driving.
-That- is your anti-gun logic.
99% of the millions and millions of law abiding gun owners should have
their rights infringed because of a few isolated incidents.
That scare you really, really bad.
It's nice that you could finally gleen one small thing from all your years
of anti-American gun fear ranting.
>>> Hey your country your constitution you go for it. Just think it is sad
>>> that a kid dies playing video games in a church because some
>>> irresponsible person has got his hands on an AK-47
>>
>> Which has nothing to do with our Constitution.
>>
>> And you have no clue what kind of rifle it is.
>>
>> You just say "AK-47" because it sounds the scariest to you and Greg.
>
> Sorry just repeating from the article "Ballistics expert Kelly Fite told
> the Atlanta Journal-Constitution newspaper that the bullet had most likely
> been fired from an AK-47 assault rifle and could have been fired as far as
> three to five kilometres away."
Yup, skeeeeeeery.
Media hyperbole designed just for the dimwitted and easily excitable, like
yourself.
> Popey, I'l think what I think and you claim what you think,
I don't "claim" what I think, I state it simply and concisely.
>Oh and of course if my comments don't fit in with your rant than you will
>tell me what I think as well
Someone needs to, since you can't, for yourself.
"Good, because even I don't understand what I posted." - STUPID David
Frank
You're lucky I'm considerate enough to take the time to correct you.
dechucka
>>Oh and of course if my comments don't fit in with your rant than you will
>>tell me what I think as well
>
> Someone needs to, since you can't, for yourself.
I would like it to be a person with a slight modicum of intelligence and
logic more than myself. You fail dismally
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
> snip (all the context)
"Ps what did I tell you about the snipping thing?" -STUPID David Frank
"Are ad hominem attacks all you can contribute?" -STUPID David Frank
"as I commented rather different from changing what another person wrote
to meet your own ends" -STUPID David Frank
"see told you were goof for cheap personal attacks and seemingly little
else" -STUPID David Frank
"Oh well keep the cheap personal attacks coming that is all you seem
good for" -STUPID David Frank
Greg Mossman
<Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> >> How do you know you won't get drunk next week, and kill someone with the
> >> car?
>
> > Because I have control over myself.
>
> Even when you're drunk, eh?
Fortunately no legal gun owners ever get drunk and lose control. When
you're seeing double, just shoot at both of them :)
Joe
Try as you may - responsible gun owners only fire at what they intend to
hit and never fire into the air - never
Joe
actually dechucka by Illinois state law my guns are stored unsafely -
they are loaded - my pistol is a walther P-38 double action with a round
in the chamber. I have 2 four year old grand childen and a 2 year old
that presently physically can not retrieve the weapon. I also have a
Winchester 30-30 in reaching distance that is loaded but no round in the
chamber - hidden and somewhere that one of them can get to but not
easily - that is somewhat irresponsible - but I am betting all of our
lives they can not put a shell in the chamber - the lever of that gun
can not be physically pulled by them due to a very basic lock that I can
quickly disengage - just be honest
Joe
the dingo ate my baby!
Happy diving, Greg!
Joe
Dechucka - please tell me what an assault weapon is. I am convinced
that the only real people that know what is has really never seen one.
This excludes those who have served in the military
I have seen one I have shot one, a person who lives behind me about a
1/4 mile has a russian made fully automatic rifle.. He served on Viet
Nam, is a little crazy - I trst him with my life - I have to. At one
time he was a paid mercenary. Shooting the gun was pretty neat - but
not something I would have - I have no problem with his ownership
Joe
if there was no alcohol there would be no drunk drivers
if gas goes any higher there will be no drivers
Joe
Dechucka - he never has and never will
I have never met Popeye - but look forward to the time I do - he never
wavers he is what he is and usually backs his statements with fact even
what you would say is his bravado
If I am ever in trouble - I want Popeye in my corner - you would too
dechucka
Hence why you are not allowed to keep Dingoes without a license in
Australia.
dechucka
> "dechucka" <vo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:-_udnd1L47trCNrW...@westnet.com.au...
>
>
>> snip (all the context)
>>
>>
>>>>Oh and of course if my comments don't fit in with your rant than you
>>>>will tell me what I think as well
>>>
>>> Someone needs to, since you can't, for yourself.
>>
>> I would like it to be a person with a slight modicum of intelligence and
>> logic more than myself. You fail dismally
>
>
>
> "Ps what did I tell you about the snipping thing?" -STUPID David Frank
>
> "Are ad hominem attacks all you can contribute?" -STUPID David Frank
>
> "as I commented rather different from changing what another person wrote
> to meet your own ends" -STUPID David Frank
>
> "see told you were goof for cheap personal attacks and seemingly little
> else" -STUPID David Frank
>
> "Oh well keep the cheap personal attacks coming that is all you seem
> good for" -STUPID David Frank
Hey you failed dismally. You don't have to keep proving it.
You seem to have a fixation on me keeping all these quotes of mine
Joe
Most legal gun owners don't, Greg. There are exceptions. I am a legal
gun owner - I carry a gun legally by order of my sheriff's department.
Those that carry legally never pull their gun in an irresponsible
action. Yes there are exceptions - but fewer than lawyers that act in
an irresponsible and reckless manner
Clean up your own profession before you try to clean up the very small
number of irresponsible legal gun owners.
Dive safe!
dechucka
Not to sure about that but he is a man of his convictions so that is a plus
( however so are the abortion clinic bombers so conviction is not always an
asset)
dechucka
I'm buggered if I know the definition of an assault weapon and I have
served. I personally would say it is a military style semi automatic, the
SKS 56 I had years ago would IMO fit into theis category as would the AK 47
that supposidly killed this kid ( PS don't tell popeye but I agree with him
re How do they know it was an AK-47). When a semi automativc rifle becomes a
"assault weapon" I'm not sure
>
> I have seen one I have shot one, a person who lives behind me about a 1/4
> mile has a russian made fully automatic rifle.. He served on Viet Nam, is
> a little crazy - I trst him with my life - I have to. At one time he was
> a paid mercenary. Shooting the gun was pretty neat - but not something I
> would have - I have no problem with his ownership
Not sure I like the idea of someone "a little crazy" living behind me.
dechucka
> Greg Mossman wrote:
>> On Jan 8, 10:55 am, "Douglas W. \"Popeye\" Frederick"
>> <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> How do you know you won't get drunk next week, and kill someone with
>>>>> the
>>>>> car?
>>>> Because I have control over myself.
>>> Even when you're drunk, eh?
>>
>> Fortunately no legal gun owners ever get drunk and lose control. When
>> you're seeing double, just shoot at both of them :)
>
>
> Most legal gun owners don't, Greg. There are exceptions. I am a legal
> gun owner - I carry a gun legally by order of my sheriff's department.
>
> Those that carry legally never pull their gun in an irresponsible action.
I am going to pick you up on this point. Never is a very strong word, I'm
sure there have been incidents when people carrying legally have pulled
there gun in an irresponsible manner.
BTW on what basis does your Sheriffs department make you carry?
Greg Mossman
> >> At least we don't have dingoes running around stealing our babies...
>
> > the dingo ate my baby!
>
> Hence why you are not allowed to keep Dingoes without a license in
> Australia.
I thought that's only if you want to carry a concealed dingo.
Greg Mossman
> > Hopefully it was a tracer round so the kid of least could of screamed
> > out "I see the light before" before head butting the round and
> > potentially damaging the good citizens bullet.
>
> Try as you may - responsible gun owners only fire at what they intend to
> hit and never fire into the air - never-
Unfortunately there's no real test for responsibility before one is
allowed to buy a firearm. And even if there were, what happens when
once-responsible gun owners turn irresponsible? Do you think we
should have a Responsibility Panel that monitors gun owners and re-
tests their responsibility levels on an annual basis?
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
"Greg Mossman" <mos...@qnet.com> wrote in message
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No.
But we could have one for drinkers and mortgage lenders.
Curtis
And Presidents.
dechucka
===============================================
We'd have to have a referendum on that
dechucka
"Curtis" <cavey_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4b48c35d$0$5080$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com...
> > But we could have one for drinkers and mortgage lenders.
>
> And Presidents.
Not very trusting of the American people are you.
Joe
I have erred in saying by order of the sheriff. You may carry in
Illinois by getting written permission - called a Commission to Carry -
the sheriff may give you one or the local Coroner. Mine is from the
Sheriffs Department. Sorry for the confusion
dechucka
Cool, thought you might be in the witness protection programme and be very
James Bond or something. Boring but than again may your life remain boring
when it comes to those situations.
Joe
no, there isn't a test. They have training, just as with driving, the
difference is driving is privilege, gun ownership a right granted by the
constitution.
Gun owners that act irresponsible, are normally charged and convicted
the punishment is usually too lenient. In Illinois they revoke or
suspend your Firearm Owner Identification card (FOID) Without you can
not legally be in possession of a firearm, or buy ammunition. I'm not
sure if you can be in possession of ammunition - but I going you can not.
Joe
Our political leaders are the best money can buy. Whys is it that we
pick from 50 contestants for Miss America bu through our primaries and
general election we pick from so few. I can't even name who our last
decent president was - and the future doesn't look much better
dechucka
Stand yourself!!
Do you have any Independents in the Congress or Senate? We have some in both
Houses but than again your members are much more independent from the party
line than ours are ( huge thing if somebody crosses the floor here)
Greg Mossman
> "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
See, I knew you were an illegal dingo concealer :)
Don't worry, I won't tell anyone.
Greg Mossman
> dechucka wrote:
>
> > "Curtis" <cavey_cur...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
C'mon Joe, you have to admit Obama is very handsome!
Greg Mossman
> > BTW on what basis does your Sheriffs department make you carry?
>
> I have erred in saying by order of the sheriff. You may carry in
> Illinois by getting written permission - called a Commission to Carry -
> the sheriff may give you one or the local Coroner. Mine is from the
> Sheriffs Department. Sorry for the confusion
I think a license by the Coroner would be much cooler. Would your
local Coroner grant a license to an out-of-state guy like me, just for
kicks?
Greg Mossman
> > Unfortunately there's no real test for responsibility before one is
> > allowed to buy a firearm. And even if there were, what happens when
> > once-responsible gun owners turn irresponsible? Do you think we
> > should have a Responsibility Panel that monitors gun owners and re-
> > tests their responsibility levels on an annual basis?
>
> no, there isn't a test. They have training, just as with driving, the
> difference is driving is privilege, gun ownership a right granted by the
> constitution.
At least in my state, I'm required to not only pass a test every once
in a while to keep my drivers' license, but I'm also required to post
proof of financial responsibility, i.e. insurance. Too bad gun owners
can't even be held to that basic level of responsibility.
> Gun owners that act irresponsible, are normally charged and convicted
> the punishment is usually too lenient. In Illinois they revoke or
> suspend your Firearm Owner Identification card (FOID) Without you can
> not legally be in possession of a firearm, or buy ammunition. I'm not
> sure if you can be in possession of ammunition - but I going you can not.
Trust me, Joe, if they're ever after you for possession of a single
bullet, I can recommend one place you can hide it :)
Greg Mossman
<Popeye8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hopefully it was a tracer round so the kid of least could of screamed
> >> > out "I see the light before" before head butting the round and
> >> > potentially damaging the good citizens bullet.
>
> >> Try as you may - responsible gun owners only fire at what they intend to
> >> hit and never fire into the air - never-
>
> > Unfortunately there's no real test for responsibility before one is
> > allowed to buy a firearm. And even if there were, what happens when
> > once-responsible gun owners turn irresponsible? Do you think we
> > should have a Responsibility Panel that monitors gun owners and re-
> > tests their responsibility levels on an annual basis?
>
> No.
>
> But we could have one for drinkers and mortgage lenders.
I would happily volunteer to sit on the Drinking License
Responsibility Panel. After all, it takes one to know one!
Joe
that after an election is over they crossover to a different party
depending on which way the public is leaning. I think when one of these
no good chicken shits wants to cross over they must be removed from
office and required to run. The people voted a democrat, republican, or
independent and that is what they should have.
Joe
Not my type - ymmv!
I don't find the least thing about him attractive, nor his wife, his
children, the dog would pass muster, tho
Joe
No they are very hard to come by - licenses not coroner. We don't issue
commission to carry 'just for kicks'!
Joe
> On Jan 9, 3:48 pm, Joe <J...@joe.com> wrote:
>
>>> Unfortunately there's no real test for responsibility before one is
>>> allowed to buy a firearm. And even if there were, what happens when
>>> once-responsible gun owners turn irresponsible? Do you think we
>>> should have a Responsibility Panel that monitors gun owners and re-
>>> tests their responsibility levels on an annual basis?
>> no, there isn't a test. They have training, just as with driving, the
>> difference is driving is privilege, gun ownership a right granted by the
>> constitution.
>
> At least in my state, I'm required to not only pass a test every once
> in a while to keep my drivers' license, but I'm also required to post
> proof of financial responsibility, i.e. insurance. Too bad gun owners
> can't even be held to that basic level of responsibility.
I cannot say for all responsible gun owners, but I can for most. The
train, they shoot regularly, and have insurance that would cover most
instances that you would encounter.
>
>> Gun owners that act irresponsible, are normally charged and convicted
>> the punishment is usually too lenient. In Illinois they revoke or
>> suspend your Firearm Owner Identification card (FOID) Without you can
>> not legally be in possession of a firearm, or buy ammunition. I'm not
>> sure if you can be in possession of ammunition - but I going you can not.
>
> Trust me, Joe, if they're ever after you for possession of a single
> bullet, I can recommend one place you can hide it :)
But how would I find you to place it there?
Joe
suppose I could do the same
Greg Mossman
So what excuse do you have to give them?
dechucka
snip
>> Trust me, Joe, if they're ever after you for possession of a single
>> bullet, I can recommend one place you can hide it :)
>
> But how would I find you to place it there?
Cavity search?
BTW remember not to sit down too quickly :-)
dechucka
sorry my wrong misread the post I was replying to.
Joe
Personal and family protection, why else would you need to carry?
Legally speaking that is.
dechucka
Scary that you need to
Greg Mossman
> "Joe" <J...@joe.com> wrote in message
In Joe's defense, St. Louis is the 4th most dangerous city in the U.S.
according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_Quitno#Most_Dangerous_Cities
Even gangsta-rap vaunted Compton, California only comes in at #17 on
the list and I'm not sure I'd want to be walking through many parts of
Compton unarmed.
But I can think of other needs to carry. What if you get hungry and
need to hunt a squirrel or something? What if you get a sudden need
to go target shooting? What if there's a political insurrection and
you need to join a militia in a hurry, really the only reason why the
2nd Amendment purportedly gives Americans the "right" to be armed -
personal protection is not mentioned.
The weirdest thing, though, is that the Coroner gives out the liceses
in Joe's part of the country. Is that just to make the paperwork
easier when the inevitable dead bodies start rolling in?
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
So you've said many times now.
But then it doesn't seem to take much to scare you.
--
--
Popeye
"If one does as God does enough times, one
will become as God is." -Dr. Hannibal Lector.
www.finalprotectivefire.com
http://picasaweb.google.com/Popeye8762
Joe
more scary if I didn't
Joe
Not particularly fond of squirrel - don;t travel the bad streets of St
Louis City.
My wife works in E St Louis - a very nasty area. She works at the
casino. Many times I take her to work and pick her up after work - not
real fond of her driving home thru e st louis late at night.
Check out E st Louis - murder wise much worse that St Louis City
dechucka
"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in
message news:5L6dnWbznacjWtbW...@supernews.com...
?
Dillon Pyron
>On Jan 5, 5:41�pm, "dechucka" <vo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> snip
>>
>> not for this kid
>>
>> "A FALLING bullet shot during New Year's Eve celebrations has
>> tragically killed a four-year-old boy."
>>
>> "Ballistics expert �Kelly Fite told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution
>> newspaper that the bullet had most likely been fired from an AK-47
>> assault rifle and could have been fired as far as three to five
>> kilometres away."
A FALLING bullet will tumble and have a terminal velocity of somewhere
in the neighbohood of 150 mph. Muzzle velocity for a 7.52x39 fired
out of a classic AK47 is around 3000 fps, or roughly 2000 mph.
Mr. Fite ignores the fact that by the time the bullet has decided to
fall down, it has lost all of it's spin and roll over and start to
porpose and swing.
>
>Nonsense! What does the death of 4-year-old matter compared to our
>2nd Amendment constitutional right to shoot AK-47s in the air on New
>Year's. Remember, "shall not be infringed." Silly gun control laws
>that prohibit shooting AK-47s in the air are just another way for
>Obama to take away our god-given rights!
>
>:)
>
>In any case, "assault rifles" are a myth, as any gun nut can tell
>you.
Okay, define "assault rifle". Is a Mauser 98K an assault rifle? How
about an M1 Garand? How do these fit into the "classic Liberal"
definitions?
>Obviously your news story got the facts wrong. The 4-year-old
>is probably just faking the hole in his head :)
--
- dillon I am not invalid
I love my country, It's my government I fear.
Hey, turnabout's fair play.
Dillon Pyron
>
>"Joe" <J*e...@joe.com> wrote in message
>news:4b465f89$0$24855$ec3e...@news.usenetmonster.com...
>> Greg Mossman wrote:
>>> On Jan 5, 5:41 pm, "dechucka" <vo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> snip
>>>>
>>>> not for this kid
>>>>
>>>> "A FALLING bullet shot during New Year's Eve celebrations has
>>>> tragically killed a four-year-old boy."
>>>>
>>>> "Ballistics expert Kelly Fite told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution
>>>> newspaper that the bullet had most likely been fired from an AK-47
>>>> assault rifle and could have been fired as far as three to five
>>>> kilometres away."
>>>
>>> Nonsense! What does the death of 4-year-old matter compared to our
>>> 2nd Amendment constitutional right to shoot AK-47s in the air on New
>>> Year's. Remember, "shall not be infringed." Silly gun control laws
>>> that prohibit shooting AK-47s in the air are just another way for
>>> Obama to take away our god-given rights!
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> In any case, "assault rifles" are a myth, as any gun nut can tell
>>> you. Obviously your news story got the facts wrong. The 4-year-old
>>> is probably just faking the hole in his head :)
>>
>> gun nuts such as your self prove day after day that you gun nuts know
>> nothing of responsible gun ownership. Those of us that legally own guns,
>> and practice safety at all times would NEVER fire a weapon into the air or
>> at anything that we did not intend to shoot.
>>
>> My guns and another 20 million or so responsible gun owners didn't kill
>> anyone today for an unlawful reason, nor yesterday and not tomorrow.
>
>How do you know about tomorrow? Although by definition law abiding citizens
>don't break the law because as soon as they start than they become
>unlawabiding citizens.
Um, by definition, a law abiding citizen becomes a criminal when
he/she actually committs the crime. I keep thinking about how to get
into the vault in Manhattan with all of the gold. Am I a crinimal?
How about the roughly 50 script writers who have concotted schemes to
do so? Other that stealing huge amounts of money from the movie's
investors, are they criminals?
>
>Hopefully it was a tracer round so the kid of least could of screamed out "I
>see the light before" before head butting the round and potentially damaging
>the good citizens bullet.
See, it's that kind of "critical thinking" that makes you so beloved.
Dillon Pyron
>
>"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in
>message news:396dnbHhobDM6dvW...@supernews.com...
>> "dechucka" <vo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:6sOdne6xBYNt-tvW...@westnet.com.au...
>>
>>> How do you know about tomorrow?
>>
>> Because I know about yesterday.
>
>Not a very logical comment when commenting about people you have no control
>over
>
>>
>> How do you know you won't get drunk next week, and kill someone with the
>> car?
>
>Because I have control over myself. However I don't have control over all
>the other law abiding citizens who currently don't drink and drive. I cannot
>say if they will become unlawabiding ( what a great word ) drink drive and
>kill someone
>
>>
>> Better quit driving.
>>
>> Especially since you're so STUPID.
>
>of course when the logic goes out the window the ad hominem attacks come in.
>
>Do you know what in principle I agree with what Joe says. I assume he won't
>run amok or store his guns unsafely and that goes for the majority but
>because guns are so freely available it is easy for those who want to run
>amok or aren't responsible gun owner to get them. Consequence the number of
>gun deaths in the US is so high.
>
>
>Hey your country your constitution you go for it. Just think it is sad that
>a kid dies playing video games in a church because some irresponsible person
>has got his hands on an AK-47
Quiz time. What types of firearms are legal in Australia? Even
better, in Japan. So there should be no firearms deaths in Japan,
right?
dechucka
"Dillon Pyron" <invalid...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:6i1fl59dr2mbme7un...@4ax.com...
No because there are firearms availible in Australia. Of course compare the
number of guns in Aus and the number of guns in the US and than compare the
gun rate deaths between the 2. Seems to be quite a strong correlation. Of
course if only those people in Virginia had been carrying the lates multiple
killing wouldn't have happened
> --
>
> - dillon I am not invalid
>
> I love my country, It's my government I fear.
and that is a very paranoid point of veiw
dechucka
and thousand of writers have written about terrorist attacks and are not
criminals but as soon as you start planning the attack with intent to carry
it out you become a criminal. Law abiding citizens obey the laws as soon as
you don't obey the law you no longer are a law abiding citizen
>
>>
>>Hopefully it was a tracer round so the kid of least could of screamed out
>>"I
>>see the light before" before head butting the round and potentially
>>damaging
>>the good citizens bullet.
>
> See, it's that kind of "critical thinking" that makes you so beloved.
just wanted his last moments to be enlightened ones
dechucka
> [Default] Thus spake Greg Mossman <mos...@qnet.com>:
>
>>On Jan 5, 5:41 pm, "dechucka" <vo...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> snip
>>>
>>> not for this kid
>>>
>>> "A FALLING bullet shot during New Year's Eve celebrations has
>>> tragically killed a four-year-old boy."
>>>
>>> "Ballistics expert Kelly Fite told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution
>>> newspaper that the bullet had most likely been fired from an AK-47
>>> assault rifle and could have been fired as far as three to five
>>> kilometres away."
>
> A FALLING bullet will tumble and have a terminal velocity of somewhere
> in the neighbohood of 150 mph. Muzzle velocity for a 7.52x39 fired
> out of a classic AK47 is around 3000 fps, or roughly 2000 mph.
>
> Mr. Fite ignores the fact that by the time the bullet has decided to
> fall down, it has lost all of it's spin and roll over and start to
> porpose and swing.
Did they make a 7.52 variant? I thought there was only fired a 7.62 round
snip
Greg Mossman
> [Default] Thus spake "dechucka" <vo...@hotmail.com>:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Pop...@finalprotectivefire.com> wrote in
"Japan's crime rate is very low, and its gun crime rate virtually nil.
Anti-gun lobbies tout Japan as the kind of nation that America could
be, if only we would ban guns. Handgun Control quotes a Japanese
newspaper reporter who writes: "It strikes me as clear that there is a
distinct correlation between gun control laws and the rate of violent
crime. The fewer the guns, the less the violence."
"Besides the police and the military, the only group that is allowed
to posses guns is hunters, and that possession is strictly
circumscribed. The police even check hunters' ammunition inventory, to
make sure that there are no unaccounted shells or bullets. Hunting
licenses themselves are not particularly difficult to obtain. A
prospective hunter must take an official safety course; and then pass
a test which covers maintenance and inspection of the hunting gun,
methods of loading and unloading cartridges, shooting from various
positions, and target practice for stationary and moving objects. The
hunting license is valid for three years. Total permit fees for
hunting rifles and licenses are 15000 (about 125 American dollars).
When not hunting, gun owners must store their weapons in a locker."
http://www.davekopel.com/2A/Foreign/Japan-Gun-Control-and-People-Control.htm
Greg Mossman
>
> distinct correlation between gun control laws and the rate of violent
> crime. The fewer the guns, the less the violence."
>
> "Besides the police and the military, the only group that is allowed
> to posses guns is hunters, and that possession is strictly
> circumscribed. The police even check hunters' ammunition inventory, to
> make sure that there are no unaccounted shells or bullets. Hunting
> licenses themselves are not particularly difficult to obtain. A
> prospective hunter must take an official safety course; and then pass
> a test which covers maintenance and inspection of the hunting gun,
> methods of loading and unloading cartridges, shooting from various
> positions, and target practice for stationary and moving objects. The
> hunting license is valid for three years. Total permit fees for
> hunting rifles and licenses are 15000 (about 125 American dollars).
> When not hunting, gun owners must store their weapons in a locker."
Quiz time.
1) What types of firearms are legal in Virginia?
"The victims of a gunman's rampage in Virginia were four adults, three
teenagers and a 4-year-old whom the suspect knew, authorities said
Wednesday. Christopher Bryan Speight, a 39-year-old security guard,
surrendered to police at daybreak after leading authorities on an 18-
hour manhunt following the slayings at a house in rural central
Virginia where deputies found a mortally wounded man and seven
bodies."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100121/ap_on_re_us/us_appomattox_shootings
2) What types of firearms are legal in Texas?
"A southeast Texas man was charged Wednesday in the weekend shooting
deaths of five family members, including his 2-year-old niece, who
also was decapitated. Preliminary autopsy reports indicate all five
died of gunshot wounds, and the 2-year-old girl was decapitated with a
machete. A shotgun and a handgun found near the scene were both used
to kill the family, Texas Ranger David Maxwell said. Authorities would
not say how many times each victim was shot."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100121/ap_on_re_us/us_five_killed_texas
Joe
Banning guns is a pipe dream - other than the ban on high capacity
toilets I know of no other ban that has solved anything.
Besides banning guns would be in direct violation of our 2nd Amendment -
what amendment would be next. If you don't like guns don't have one -
leave mine alone. Why is the gun nuts if they don't like guns they
don't want anyone to have one? The ungun nuts would just prefer that
you didn't take ours
The UnGun Nuts very much prefer to punish those that break the rules of
society and the more than 10,000 gun restrictions.
Joe
Probably a lot in both cases. So what? Don't both states have laws
against killing?
Greg Mossman
> The UnGun Nuts very much prefer to punish those that break the rules of
> society and the more than 10,000 gun restrictions.
Unfortunately it's usually too late after the fact.
Joe
One of the unfortunate effects of living in a Democracy guided or
directed by our Constitution. If you want to get rid of the 2nd
Amendment, which would you pick to be the next one.
Why not punish severely those that wish to not abide by the rules/laws
of our society?
If punishment was swift and permanent we would see a rapid drop in crime.
Since you Japan came up - all guns are banned - how can they have ANY
one shot or murdered by a gun/rifle? Don't tell me a criminal didn't
obey the law?
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
"Greg Mossman" <mos...@qnet.com> wrote in message
news:e0f092f0-40d7-487b...@b9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
Like all other crime, you mean...
Dennis (Icarus)
<snip>
>
> One of the unfortunate effects of living in a Democracy guided or directed
> by our Constitution. If you want to get rid of the 2nd Amendment, which
> would you pick to be the next one.
>
> Why not punish severely those that wish to not abide by the rules/laws of
> our society?
>
> If punishment was swift and permanent we would see a rapid drop in crime.
>
> Since you Japan came up - all guns are banned - how can they have ANY one
> shot or murdered by a gun/rifle? Don't tell me a criminal didn't obey the
> law?
I admire your optimism, but honestly you'd have a better chance of changing
the opinions of brick wall.
Dennis
Dennis (Icarus)
news:h6OdnQhE0pjbW8fW...@supernews.com...
Ok, maybe I was wrong - there is a glimmer of hope.
The phrase "too late after the fact" is usually what happens when one is
relying on others for one's protection. After all, the police are relatively
few, and can't be everywhere. As recent incidents have shown.
Dennis
Greg Mossman
I didn't bring up Japan, Dillon did. I'm not sure why he did, since
Japan's extremely low gun homicide rate shows how effective real gun
control can be, yet the country still allow guns for the use of
hunting which should appease all the rednecks who like to shoot and
eat whatever varmints they find around their trailers. It was a lousy
example on his part. Shame on him.
Do you really prefer our gun homicide rate which is over 100 times
that of Japan's? Criminals will always break the law, which is why
people lock their doors. Gun control is equivalent to door locks.
Make it harder for the criminal to commit the crime and you'll save
lives. Punish the criminal after the fact and the victim is already
dead. Restitution is often possible in property crimes, but until
we're able to easily resurrect the dead, it's far smarter to ban the
major implement of murder in this country, i.e. guns.
Greg Mossman
wrote:
> I admire your optimism, but honestly you'd have a better chance of changing
> the opinions of brick wall.
Is that what Rush told you to say?
Dillon Pyron
>
>"Dillon Pyron" <invalid...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:6i1fl59dr2mbme7un...@4ax.com...
>> --
>>
>> - dillon I am not invalid
>>
>> I love my country, It's my government I fear.
>
>and that is a very paranoid point of veiw
Mayhaps, but for years that was on the bumperstickers of many liberals
in the US. Like I say:
>>
>> Hey, turnabout's fair play.
Windows Mail seems to be broken. .sig's should not appear in replies.
The double dash as the first two characters in the line should
deliniate "stop quoting here"
--
- dillon I am not invalid
I love my country, It's my government I fear.
Hey, turnabout's fair play.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
Rush told me he gave up on you a long time ago.
How'd you like that Mass election?
Better get used to it. :-)
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
> Do you really prefer our gun homicide rate which is over 100 times
> that of Japan's?
Doesn't bother me.
But the defining factor, as always, and as you know, isn't the guns.
It's the Japanese criminal justice system.
> Criminals will always break the law, which is why
> people lock their doors. Gun control is equivalent to door locks.
> Make it harder for the criminal to commit the crime and you'll save
> lives.
We agree completely, but your record thus far is to is to make it easier
for criminals to commit crimes.
>Punish the criminal after the fact and the victim is already
> dead. Restitution is often possible in property crimes, but until
> we're able to easily resurrect the dead, it's far smarter to ban the
> major implement of murder in this country, i.e. guns.
You can't.
But you know that.
Curtis
>> major implement of murder in this country, i.e. guns.
Hell, we should ban the largest cause of unnecisary cost for health
care, lawyers.
glipp
>
> You can't.
>
> But you know that.
>
It might take another generation or two or three but it will happen.
But you know that.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
"glipp" <gl...@gsxtrail.com> wrote in message
news:hjfjcd$vft$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
No I don't.
First, you'd have to be able to stop the flow of firearms into the
country.
You can't.
You can't provide one example of -any- illegal item that's ever been kept
from those who want it.
See Japan, a small island nation.
Then, you'd have to have two or three generations of patient law abiding
citizens that would wait around to see if your grand social experiment would
work.
While all the criminals are still armed.
You don't.
Because it won't.
So it's a pointless fantasy speculation, and always has been.
Dennis (Icarus)
>
<snip>
>> On Jan 23, 3:12 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I admire your optimism, but honestly you'd have a better chance of
>>> changing
>>> the opinions of brick wall.
>>
>
>
> How'd you like that Mass election?
>
Interesting result - I just hope Brown actually votes as a conservative.
Dennis
Dennis (Icarus)
>
> "glipp" <gl...@gsxtrail.com> wrote in message
> news:hjfjcd$vft$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
>> Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
>>>
>>> You can't.
>>>
>>> But you know that.
>>>
>>
>> It might take another generation or two or three but it will happen.
>> But you know that.
>
>
> No I don't.
>
> First, you'd have to be able to stop the flow of firearms into the
> country.
>
> You can't.
>
> You can't provide one example of -any- illegal item that's ever been kept
> from those who want it.
Look at how well it has worked against illegal drugs and...of
course...Prohibition.
Dennis
glipp
>
> Then, you'd have to have two or three generations of patient law
> abiding citizens that would wait around to see if your grand social
> experiment would work.
>
> While all the criminals are still armed.
>
> You don't.
>
> Because it won't.
>
> So it's a pointless fantasy speculation, and always has been.
That's what you hope.
Unfortunately, neither of us will be around for me to say, I told you so.
And it's not "my" grand social experiment, it's the evolution and
progression of human civilization. Maybe you can hole up in the holler
forever.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
> Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick wrote:
> .....
>>
>> Then, you'd have to have two or three generations of patient law abiding
>> citizens that would wait around to see if your grand social experiment
>> would work.
>>
>> While all the criminals are still armed.
>>
>> You don't.
>>
>> Because it won't.
>>
>> So it's a pointless fantasy speculation, and always has been.
>
> That's what you hope.
That's not what I hope.
I'm secure in my world, and unaffected by your irrational firearms-based
night terrors.
I don't care about the law, the Second, or anything.
I always have, and always will, take my personal security as my personal
responsibility.
How you choose to delude yourself isn't my concern.
> Unfortunately, neither of us will be around for me to say, I told you so.
>
> And it's not "my" grand social experiment, it's the evolution and
> progression of human civilization.
Yeah, baby, with genocide and wars of religious intolerance a daily factor
in the lives of the majority of your "civilized" world.
That's a knee-slapper.
Got any examples of these Utopias?
> Maybe you can hole up in the holler forever.
Dude, I'm out in the world.
You're the one so terrified you won't divulge what area of the continent
you're in, and on the lam from your own country.
You act around here is stale.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
"Dennis (Icarus)" <nojun...@ever.invalid> wrote in message
news:35c83$4b5b5d87$cf62c293$16...@KNOLOGY.NET...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7elaFcxs5Zk&eurl
My alltime favorite...
Greg Mossman
<Popeye8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
>
> news:60dec28e-5cf1-4424...@h9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Jan 23, 3:12 am, "Dennis \(Icarus\)" <nojunkm...@ever.invalid>
> > wrote:
>
> >> I admire your optimism, but honestly you'd have a better chance of
> >> changing
> >> the opinions of brick wall.
>
> > Is that what Rush told you to say?
>
> Rush told me he gave up on you a long time ago.
I guess I'm not as addictive as Oxycontin. Or food.
> How'd you like that Mass election?
You know how I liked it. Massites are a weird bunch. The only time
in recent memory I ever heard someone use the "N" word in public was
in Boston before a Red Sox game when some assholes on the street where
we were walking to dinner were rousting a homeless guy and calling him
a "dirty nigger". I can only assume they voted for Brown :)
What's really sick is that Massachusetts provides health care for its
poor, unlike the rest of the country. Brown is elected from a state
that provides health care in order to destroy the dream of health care
for the rest of the nation's poor.
> Better get used to it. :-)
It's the Supreme Court vote that really irked me. We liberals aren't
going anywhere until we can get our Supreme Court majority back.
Dennis (Icarus)
Good one - securing the borders against guns would be a challenge, sicne we've
not be able to reliably secure it against...welll anything else.
Dennis
Greg Mossman
Here I thought it was idiots that bang their body parts against bricks
until they break.
The next time a doctor fucks up and replaces the wrong joint or bone
that you blow out with your stupidity, I guess you'll just accept the
apology and move on right? Certainly you wouldn't be hypocritical
enough to want to find a lawyer and sue for malpractice.
Greg Mossman
<Popeye8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Punish the criminal after the fact and the victim is already
> > dead. Restitution is often possible in property crimes, but until
> > we're able to easily resurrect the dead, it's far smarter to ban the
> > major implement of murder in this country, i.e. guns.
>
> You can't.
>
> But you know that.
We can, if the punishments are harsh enough. Capital punishment for
mere gun possession would go a long way toward keeping guns off our
streets.
1hogrider
>
> What's really sick is that Massachusetts provides health care for its
> poor, unlike the rest of the country. Brown is elected from a state
> that provides health care in order to destroy the dream of health care
> for the rest of the nation's poor.
>
>
Maybe this will cheer you up...
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
The usual non-answer.
Dude, the legal system can't inflict "capital punishment" for mass
murderers.
Good luck.
Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick
"1hogrider" <nite...@cox.net> wrote in message
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http://www.cafepress.com/+ram_it_down_our_throats_in_20_sticker_bumper,419291444
Greg Mossman
<Popeye8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Greg Mossman" <moss...@qnet.com> wrote in message
We're good at sticking them on Death Row. California, as usual the
best in everything, leads the way in punishing bad guys. We have 655
on Death Row, almost double the number in the violent murderous states
of Florida (375) and Texas (390). They're all guaranteed to die
someday, though most likely of old age.
At least the U.S. still kills some people and we're not so bad at it
(thanks to Texas), coming in fourth place after the other so
enlightened countries China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. In 2008, the
only governments that executed people were Afghanistan, Bahrain,
Bangladesh, Belarus, Botswana, China, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq,
Japan, Libya, North Korea, Malaysia, Mongolia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia,
Singapore, St. Kitts and Nevis, Sudan, Syria, United Arab Emirates,
United States, Vietnam and Yemen. Basically all cruel asian societies
(they typically believe in some sort of reincarnation, so execution is
merely a form of recycling trash) or violent despotic arab lands,
except for the U.S. But we're not the lone Western country. St.
Kitts and Nevis made the list too!
"Possess a gun and Off With Your Head!" -- new slogan for Mossman for
President 2012 campaign
Joe
locks stop no one in most cases
Joe
the major implement is the criminals - I am all for eliminating them
from society
Joe
Move forward with that Greg, You'll break Mondale's showing with
idiotic ideas
Instead of capital punish for gun possession, why not just punish the
criminals - harsh penalties - something a majority of Americans have
asked for something the NRA has asked for. Legal gun owners should be
punished for the minority of those that run afoul of the law
Dennis (Icarus)
"Joe" <J*e...@joe.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
>
> Instead of capital punish for gun possession, why not just punish the
> criminals - harsh penalties - something a majority of Americans have asked
> for something the NRA has asked for. Legal gun owners should be punished
> for the minority of those that run afoul of the law
I'm pretty sure you are missing a "not" in that last sentence.
Dennis