How to get the *pee-smell* out?
Erik
his swim-trunks are starting to get a bit smelly. There must be some
relatively benign substance that neutralizes this odor.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Erik
Scuba-Chin
Wash your swim trunks in the washing machine. "Stink-Out" works pretty good
for your wetsuit, but personally, I don't like the smell. A diving
instructor friend of mine recommended rinsing the wetsuit in a full bathtub
of water with 1/2 cup of vinegar. Tried it once...worked pretty darn good.
Don't use more vingegar than 1/2 cup...otherwise your wetsuit will smell
like pickles. :)
Any thoughts from the experts on vinegar??
Jenn
Erik <borneo...@pd.jaring.my> wrote in message
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El Stroko Guapo
>
> Ok, so a friend of mine (yeh, yeh) always pees in his wetsuit, and both it and
> his swim-trunks are starting to get a bit smelly. There must be some
> relatively benign substance that neutralizes this odor.
> Any ideas?
> Thanks,
> Erik
Go back into the water.
El Stroko Guapo, TS
whose wet suit and trunks are protection against malaria
Stephen King
this mild detergent over night. You can probably find it at your local dive
store.
Erik <borneo...@pd.jaring.my> wrote in message
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OldSalt
and since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see it:
>Ok, so a friend of mine (yeh, yeh) always pees in his wetsuit, and both it and
>his swim-trunks are starting to get a bit smelly. There must be some
>relatively benign substance that neutralizes this odor.
>Any ideas?
First of all....I will interject that I think peeing in your wetsuit
is disgusting. There is no reason for it. Pee before your dive.
And...since the kidneys are hyperactive during your dive and everyone
has to pee afterward, get back on the boat, take off your gear and
your wetsuit and then jump back in !! Hold onto the anchor line or
geri line and pee !! Putting your fins on to do this is a help...also
your mask and snorkel if the water is rough. Same goes for a beach
dive...get out, peel off and go back in to pee. Now...if you've
already fouled your wetsuit... and you don't care that you spent a
few hundred bucks to buy the thing.... wellllll... Go to the pet
shop and buy a product called "Nature's Miracle". It's use is for
removing the smell of cat and dog urine in your house but it works for
wetsuits too. Soak your suit overnight in a tub of water and add
about 2 cups of Nature's Miracle. Rinse your suit and hang it to dry.
Your suit will be fresh ....until you act like an animal and foul it
again. Shame on you !!!!
Adam Helberg
I thought you were going to recommend the diver and suit soak in lime?
Adam
Stephen King <sk...@nospam.modelimperial.com> wrote in message
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> Pick up a bottle of a product call Sink the Stink. Soak in water and with
> this mild detergent over night. You can probably find it at your local
dive
> store.
>
>
> Erik <borneo...@pd.jaring.my> wrote in message
> news:8kv2u0$5mm$1...@news4.jaring.my...
> > Ok, so a friend of mine (yeh, yeh) always pees in his wetsuit, and both
it
> and
> > his swim-trunks are starting to get a bit smelly. There must be some
> > relatively benign substance that neutralizes this odor.
> > Any ideas?
> > Thanks,
> > Erik
> >
>
>
Ross Bagley
OldSalt <chi...@sent.net> wrote:
>On 17 Jul 2000 13:49:52 GMT, borneo...@pd.jaring.my (Erik) wrote
>and since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see it:
>
>>his swim-trunks are starting to get a bit smelly. There must be some
>>relatively benign substance that neutralizes this odor.
>>Any ideas?
>
>is disgusting. There is no reason for it.
I think there's little reason to avoid it. If I am properly hydrated
before a 60 minute dive, I usually need to pee about ten minutes into
the dive. By 30 minutes into the dive, I REALLY need to pee, and near
the end of the dive, it's agony holding it back. So I don't hold back
any more.
I also do have a Henderson Gold wetsuit so as long as I'm in the water
for at least a minute after peeing, nobody knows the difference (the
inside surface is nonpermeable and rinses clean from the sterile
urine).
>Pee before your dive.
For me proper hydration means that I'll have to pee before a dive and
have to pee on the above schedule (after hitting the water). Holding
it back just removes from the enjoyment of my dive.
>And...since the kidneys are hyperactive during your dive and everyone
>has to pee afterward, get back on the boat, take off your gear and
>your wetsuit and then jump back in !! Hold onto the anchor line or
>geri line and pee !!
This seems overly complicated. Just go when you need to.
[...snip...]
>Your suit will be fresh ....until you act like an animal and foul it
>again. Shame on you !!!!
I just don't see the reason for this "icky!" reaction. It's
completely sterile stuff, a hell of a lot cleaner than whatever you're
diving in. If you don't like the effect on your wetsuit, buy a better
wetsuit, spend more time rinsing out your wetsuit, and/or clean it
with one of those named products.
We ARE animals and our bodies do things just like other animals.
Peeing in the wetsuit is not a mortal sin.
Does this discussion strike anyone else as remarkably similar to
schoolroom discussions of masturbation? One group claiming that it's
wrong, a different group admitting to the activity, and a third vast
majority group quietly lying about doing it. BTW, I do masturbate :)
Regards,
Ross
-- Ross Bagley & Associates http://rossbagley.com/rba
"We don't just write software, we help you write software better!"
Phil
your wetsuit and jumping back into 45F water to pee is not an
option for most folks.
If propertly hydrated you're pretty much going to have to go,
wetsuit or drysuit. Why I have a pee valve in my drysuit.
PhilK
OldSalt <chi...@sent.net> wrote:
>On 17 Jul 2000 13:49:52 GMT, borneo...@pd.jaring.my (Erik)
wrote
>and since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see
it:
>
>>Ok, so a friend of mine (yeh, yeh) always pees in his wetsuit,
and both it and
>>his swim-trunks are starting to get a bit smelly. There must
be some
>>relatively benign substance that neutralizes this odor.
>>Any ideas?
>
>First of all....I will interject that I think peeing in your
wetsuit
>is disgusting. There is no reason for it. Pee before your
dive.
>And...since the kidneys are hyperactive during your dive and
everyone
>has to pee afterward, get back on the boat, take off your gear
and
>your wetsuit and then jump back in !! Hold onto the anchor
line or
>geri line and pee !! Putting your fins on to do this is a
help...also
>your mask and snorkel if the water is rough. Same goes for a
beach
>dive...get out, peel off and go back in to pee. Now...if
you've
>already fouled your wetsuit... and you don't care that you
spent a
>few hundred bucks to buy the thing.... wellllll... Go to the
pet
>shop and buy a product called "Nature's Miracle". It's use is
for
>removing the smell of cat and dog urine in your house but it
works for
>wetsuits too. Soak your suit overnight in a tub of water and
add
>about 2 cups of Nature's Miracle. Rinse your suit and hang it
to dry.
>Your suit will be fresh ....until you act like an animal and
foul it
>again. Shame on you !!!!
>
>
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>
>
> First of all....I will interject that I think peeing in your wetsuit
> is disgusting. There is no reason for it.
Of course it's disgusting. That's why it feels sooooooo good.
ESG, TS
CPR86
>Ok, so a friend of mine (yeh, yeh) always pees in his wetsuit, and both
>it and
>his swim-trunks are starting to get a bit smelly.
Classic psychological defense of using the imaginary friend syndrome. It's
okay that you pee in you suit.
>Any ideas?
Don't Borrow/lend your(s) "FRIENDS" suit.
CS.......
Thought of the day -
How come you don't ever hear about gruntled employees?
--
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List of Internet scuba shops....
OldSalt
<pkarlN...@bnflinc.com.invalid> wrote and since I have Supernews,
it's amazing that I could even see it:
>I'll agree with Ross Bagley's post and also add that taking off
>your wetsuit and jumping back into 45F water to pee is not an
>option for most folks.
>
>If propertly hydrated you're pretty much going to have to go,
>wetsuit or drysuit. Why I have a pee valve in my drysuit.
I think it's a male thing. I know of two guys who have a "lil
invisible hole" cut in their wet suit to facilitate this. I'd just
much rather jump back into the water....cold or not. I tried peeing
in a rental wetsuit when I first started diving.... it wasn't a turn
on.
OldSalt
since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see it:
>I think there's little reason to avoid it. If I am properly hydrated
>before a 60 minute dive, I usually need to pee about ten minutes into
>the dive. By 30 minutes into the dive, I REALLY need to pee, and near
>the end of the dive, it's agony holding it back. So I don't hold back
>any more.
<note to self : if you ever dive with Ross and all the sudden feel a
warm thermocline.... >
>I also do have a Henderson Gold wetsuit so as long as I'm in the water
>for at least a minute after peeing, nobody knows the difference (the
>inside surface is nonpermeable and rinses clean from the sterile
>urine).
Naaa. I have a Fathom custom made suit. Very nice....2 piece black
with yellow and aqua accents, farmer johns and jacket, knee pads,
spine pad, red plush velor lining. I thought it was 7mm but hub says
it's 9mm. It set me back like $500 10 yrs ago. I WILL NOT pee in it
even if I feel like I'm gonna bust. It's my second custom made wet
suit...first one was a Fathom also but not nearly as nice. I couldn't
pee in my first one either. And...believe me...I hear you about
hydrating. There's times after a dive that I think I could give a
race horse a good go round for a peeing contest. But...it ain't
happening in my suit. Nope.
>>Pee before your dive.
>
>For me proper hydration means that I'll have to pee before a dive and
>have to pee on the above schedule (after hitting the water). Holding
>it back just removes from the enjoyment of my dive.
Welll...then maybe you're just full of it. <big grin>
>
>>And...since the kidneys are hyperactive during your dive and everyone
>>has to pee afterward, get back on the boat, take off your gear and
>>your wetsuit and then jump back in !! Hold onto the anchor line or
>>geri line and pee !!
>
>This seems overly complicated. Just go when you need to.
Do you do that in public whenever ? If you're at a nice gathering
with a lady friend, you don't just pee your pants. Why can't you
exercise the same control for diving ??
>
>[...snip...]
>
>>Your suit will be fresh ....until you act like an animal and foul it
>>again. Shame on you !!!!
>
>I just don't see the reason for this "icky!" reaction. It's
>completely sterile stuff, a hell of a lot cleaner than whatever you're
>diving in. If you don't like the effect on your wetsuit, buy a better
>wetsuit, spend more time rinsing out your wetsuit, and/or clean it
>with one of those named products.
Sure...it's sterile. And peeing in the ocean is fine... but not in my
wetsuit. I don't need it alllll over my body and clinging to me. It
never really comes out and as soon as you get on the boat, everyone
can smell it no matter how much you think it rinsed out during your
dive. It's not a good thing at all.
>We ARE animals and our bodies do things just like other animals.
>Peeing in the wetsuit is not a mortal sin.
No... but I think it's uncouth.
>
>Does this discussion strike anyone else as remarkably similar to
>schoolroom discussions of masturbation? One group claiming that it's
>wrong, a different group admitting to the activity, and a third vast
>majority group quietly lying about doing it. BTW, I do masturbate :)
It has nothing to do with masturbating....( which is fun ) ...unless
you're really into "golden showers". I'm not. And having said
that....I think I gave out wayyyy too much info so case closed.
tleemay
<lite snippage>
> A diving
> instructor friend of mine recommended rinsing the wetsuit in a full bathtub
> of water with 1/2 cup of vinegar. Tried it once...worked pretty darn good.
> Don't use more vingegar than 1/2 cup...otherwise your wetsuit will smell
> like pickles. :)
>
> Any thoughts from the experts on vinegar??
When diving Italy and the Modena area, use balsamic vinegar (note: it does
stain, but great with strawberries or a nice capriccio salad). When diving the
north coast of California and Mendocino County, use red wine vinegar (excellent
with a walnut oil as a dressing too!). The solution is just as important as the
region.
Seriously though;
For those few times when I have let my dry or wet suit sit a bit longer than it
needed to before rinsing, I let them sit in a clean 55 gal trash can half filled
with fresh water and a 1/2 cup of a mexican cleaning product called Factastico
for about an hour. It has some serious enzymes in it that takes all smells,
including fish residue and (I assume) urine out of the suits and leaves them
with a fresh, but not overpowering scent. Rinse it off after soaking and any
smell that was present is gone. Hang to dry.
The Fantastico can be found at discount and mexican markets for about $1 for a
liter of the stuff.
--
T. May
"To increase the quality and diversity of aquatic education. Founded by
conservationists, explorers and educators with a desire to see the mystery of
the underwater world explored, studied, protected and shared. We are prepared to
redefine the nature of aquatic activity in three specific areas: education,
research and exploration."
Max Bottomtime
>From: OldSalt chi...@sent.net
>First of all....I will interject that I think peeing in your wetsuit
>is disgusting. There is no reason for it. Pee before your dive.
Peeing in your suit to get warm is a myth. After your bladder empties, your
body loses heat and you will be colder than before you peed.
As someone who worked in a dive shop for many years, let me tell you this. The
people who think their pee rinses out of their suit during a dive are wrong. I
can't tell you how many times I've had to drain the wash tub and refill it
after washing just one wetsuit.
There is a difference between proper hydration before a dive and having your
back teeth float. A small fruit drink will suffice. Avoid coffee and sodas at
all costs! All of my dives and in cold water with long DECO stops. It's easier
to pee before a dive than to smell like a gas station restroom on the boat.
"Screw you guys, I'm going diving!"
-Jacques Cartman
tleemay
> The Fantastico can be found at discount and mexican markets for about $1 for a
> liter of the stuff.
>
CORRECTION: The product name is Fabuloso, not Fantastico.
Ross Bagley
Max Bottomtime <pga41...@aol.com> wrote:
[...snip...]
>There is a difference between proper hydration before a dive and
>having your back teeth float. A small fruit drink will suffice.
That depends on how well hydrated you were before the small fruit
drink. After peeing in the morning, I am usually 3 to 4 cups
dehydrated. A serious drink is in order.
If I was to drink a "small fruit drink" in the morning and then go
running at 10:00am here in Austin, TX, I would be quickly feeling the
effects of dehydration. When backpacking, it's even more obvious. If
I was to dive in that condition, I would dive a much more conservative
profile to avoid DCS.
Basically, if you aren't peeing clear during the day, you're at least
slightly dehydrated.
>Avoid coffee and sodas at all costs!
Or any drink with caffene (I drink tea when others drink coffee, but
not when I'm going to be diving).
>All of my dives and in cold water with long DECO stops. It's easier
>to pee before a dive than to smell like a gas station restroom on the
>boat.
I love my wetsuit. It smells like neoprene rubber, even after a
sterile interior wash ;) Just another advantage of the Henderson
Gold smooth lining... somehow I don't think this argument will make
it to any Henderson advertising campaigns though...
mjbl...@my-deja.com
In article <39734B9F...@diver.net>,
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Jason O'Rourke
>First of all....I will interject that I think peeing in your wetsuit
>is disgusting. There is no reason for it. Pee before your dive.
>has to pee afterward, get back on the boat, take off your gear and
>your wetsuit and then jump back in !! Hold onto the anchor line or
Salt - your advise is worthless for those of us that actually *need* to
wear a wetsuit to dive. Cold water diving means 'warming' your wetsuit.
Cold temps encourage urine production and you'd rather get the heat than
waste valuable body heat keeping it at 98F anyhow. Holding it in ain't
good for you. DAN actually suggested that drysuiters switch to Depends so
they wouldn't instead try to dehydrate themselves before diving.
Rinsing the suit after the dive works well, and will make you much more
popular in the car (for us wagon owners) on the way home.
Most Cal dive boats have showers (or at least a hose) with warm water
flowing. You can use that to warm up a tad, and flush the suit without
needing to take it off
>Your suit will be fresh ....until you act like an animal and foul it
>again. Shame on you !!!!
Shame on you for giving uninformed advice (again).
--
Jason O'Rourke j...@best.com www.jor.com
Last dive @ Metridium Colony, Monterey. 60 mins @ 53ft depth max
Miranda Alldritt
> >If propertly hydrated you're pretty much going to have to go,
> >wetsuit or drysuit. Why I have a pee valve in my drysuit.
>
> I think it's a male thing.
Nope. They just have easier ways to solve the problem ;-)
--
"...the sea has no compassion, no faith, no law, no memory.
Its fickleness is to be held true to men's purposes only by an
undaunted resolution and by a sleepless, armed, jealous
vigilance...."
Dan Bracuk
" Peeing in your suit to get warm is a myth. "
Then why is it called SCUHA (Self Contained Underwater Heating
Apparatus) ?
Dan Bracuk
Toronto, Canada
It's bad luck to be superstitious.
rec.scuba faq http://scifi.squawk.com/scuba.html
Scubadog
and
> relatively benign substance that neutralizes this odor.
> Any ideas?
> Erik
>
1. There's a product called Sink-the-stink. -- Buy it. Use it.
2. If your suit is 3mm or less, throw it in the washing machine on gentle
cycle with about a third of the normal amount of liquid detergent. Era, or
nearly any "good-smelling" liquid laundry detergent will work fine. Many
will tell you not to do it. I've done it for several years with no problems.
(Make sure and use liquid detergent instead of powdered. Powdered detergent
will leave marks and stains.) Hell, when I'm in a hurry, I throw the suit
in the drier for about 10 mins. on gentle cycle. I don't do that routinely,
but once in a while seems to work fine. Your suit / your risk.
3. If 1. or 2. above don't work, fill a trash can (clean one) with luke
warm water and just a "touch" of liquid laundry detergent. Soak well. Rinse
well. Hang to dry.
These methods come from a dedicated pee-in-the-suit-every-dive diver. It
feels so good! <g>
Jason O'Rourke
>>If propertly hydrated you're pretty much going to have to go,
>>wetsuit or drysuit. Why I have a pee valve in my drysuit.
>
>invisible hole" cut in their wet suit to facilitate this. I'd just
>much rather jump back into the water....cold or not. I tried peeing
Unless you're MHK, you're not going to jump off the boat in 50F water for
this. Heck, if you got the wetsuit off, you'd go to the head.
It's not a male thing - my female diving friends are just as prone to it,
if not more since they tend to feel colder.
As Ross pointed out, urine is sterile. What's your hangup?
Dan Bracuk
" DAN actually suggested that drysuiters switch to Depends so
they wouldn't instead try to dehydrate themselves before diving. "
They did? I must have missed that one.
Did a quick & dirty search of http://www.diversalertnetwork.org/ with
the keyword "depends" and got 7 hits, none of which looked promising.
Got no hits with the keyword "diapers"
Must say though, that the idea has merit.
Popeye
>Erik <borneo...@pd.jaring.my> wrote in message
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>> Ok, so a friend of mine (yeh, yeh) always pees in his wetsuit, and both it
>and >> his swim-trunks are starting to get a bit smelly. There must be some
>> relatively benign substance that neutralizes this odor. >> Any ideas?
>> Thanks,
>> Erik
>>
Lemon Lysol and a 30 minute soak. No contest.
Popeye
If you ain't the lead dog, the
view stays pretty much the same
.
Paul M. Deniston
"OldSalt" <chi...@sent.net> wrote in message
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> On 17 Jul 2000 13:49:52 GMT, borneo...@pd.jaring.my (Erik) wrote
> and since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see it:
>
it and
> >his swim-trunks are starting to get a bit smelly. There must be some
> >relatively benign substance that neutralizes this odor.
> >Any ideas?
>
> is disgusting.
<< Snip>>
.
> Your suit will be fresh ....until you act like an animal and foul it
> again. Shame on you !!!!
So tell us OldSalt, how do you really feel?? :->
Bob Crownfield
>
> OldSalt <chi...@sent.net> wrote:
> >>If propertly hydrated you're pretty much going to have to go,
> >>wetsuit or drysuit. Why I have a pee valve in my drysuit.
> >
> >I think it's a male thing. I know of two guys who have a "lil
> >invisible hole" cut in their wet suit to facilitate this. I'd just
> >much rather jump back into the water....cold or not. I tried peeing
>
> Unless you're MHK, you're not going to jump off the boat in 50F water for
> this. Heck, if you got the wetsuit off, you'd go to the head.
>
> It's not a male thing - my female diving friends are just as prone to it,
> if not more since they tend to feel colder.
>
> As Ross pointed out, urine is sterile. What's your hangup?
Are you housebroken ?
> --
> Jason O'Rourke j...@best.com www.jor.com
> Last dive @ Metridium Colony, Monterey. 60 mins @ 53ft depth max
--
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Photography, Flying, Delphi Rad Addict
Now diving the Pacific in the LA Area.
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Pmcduffee
>Message-ID: <8kv2u0$5mm$1...@news4.jaring.my>
>Ok, so a friend of mine (yeh, yeh) always pees in his wetsuit, and both it
>and
>his swim-trunks are starting to get a bit smelly. There must be some
>relatively benign substance that neutralizes this odor.
>Any ideas?
Well here's a good and free method of keeping things from smelling. Do not
rinse your suit in fresh water, rinse it in just plain old sea water.
Works fine fails safe and drains to the bilge. Sorry, flashback to Navy days
(:))
As far as peeing, well it's a physiological set of circumstances that takes
place, and has to do with pressure changes, body position (small pressure
changes distributed along the body), as well as other things, and is to
complicated to get into again. It's been discussed many times before and should
be fairly easily found if you are interested.
As mentioned in a earlier post, a very good sign of being properly hydrated is
close to clear urine and that requires alot of water intake.
Just be glad that the *other* function is not so inclined :b
Pat
--
I Call you My Friend, because You are My Friend.
OldSalt
<mir...@paralynx.com> wrote and since I have Supernews, it's amazing
that I could even see it:
>> >
>> >If propertly hydrated you're pretty much going to have to go,
>> >wetsuit or drysuit. Why I have a pee valve in my drysuit.
>>
>> I think it's a male thing.
>
>Nope. They just have easier ways to solve the problem ;-)
I dunno Miranda. When my hub and I first moved to this farm.... in
the middle of nowhere and no neighbors within sight... he would
occassionally go outside and pee. If we came home from a night on
the town, when he got out of the car, instead of waiting to get in
the house, he would pee on the lawn. I finally said to him... " What
the heck are you doing that for ? ". His reply... " Because I can. "
Hahahahahaha I think it's like a territory marking thing for men
that extends back to our "cave man" days. <g>
Added note : he doesn't pee in his wetsuit though.
OldSalt
and since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see it:
>Unless you're MHK, you're not going to jump off the boat in 50F water for
>this. Heck, if you got the wetsuit off, you'd go to the head.
Wellll.... 50 F degree water is mighty cold so I agree.
>
>It's not a male thing - my female diving friends are just as prone to it,
>if not more since they tend to feel colder.
Ohhh Jason. You're tell me that you are justifying peeing in your
wetsuit because you cold ? If that's the case, get a thicker
wetsuit. Or a dry suit. Or dive a more shallow depth. Or dive later
in the season or at a different locale.
>As Ross pointed out, urine is sterile. What's your hangup?
I don't know. I think it's kinda like a bad habit...right in there
with scratching your butt in public or burping real loud in the check
out line at the grocery store. LOL
OldSalt
<pden...@mediaone.net> wrote and since I have Supernews, it's
amazing that I could even see it:
>So tell us OldSalt, how do you really feel?? :->
Well I usually do. But maybe I should apologize for saying that it is
"animalistic". I didn't mean to offend and insult those who choose
to do this and it seems that I have. My choice of wording was too
strong ( as usual again ) and I'm sorry.
Clifford Beshers
Let's have none of that. Honest disgust, honestly stated. Wording
too strong? On USENET?
And you fomented one of the more interesting discussions in some
time...
________________
Clifford Beshers
bes...@cs.columbia.edu
Phil
>You're tell me that you are justifying peeing in
your
>wetsuit because you cold ? If that's the case, get a thicker
>wetsuit. Or a dry suit.
If you are PROPERLY hydrated a drysuit makes little difference
as you still have to go. Your arguement doesn't hold up in cold
water diving as it isn't feasible to jump back in the water and
not many of the boats have heads.
Also, "because I can" is nonsense. Miranda already alluded to the
problem the women have with drysuits, as males can solve the
problem easily with a pee-valve. You're getting hung up on a
gender thing here and it doesn't make a damn what you are.
PhilK
Jerome O'Neil
> I don't know. I think it's kinda like a bad habit...right in there
> with scratching your butt in public or burping real loud in the check
> out line at the grocery store. LOL
You're just after all my bad habits now, aren't you.
You should call my mother. You'd get along well.
;)
OldSalt
and since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see it:
>Salt - your advise is worthless for those of us that actually *need* to
>wear a wetsuit to dive.
Jason...you don't understand. I live in PA so I *need* a wetsuit to
dive too. There's not a quarry or river or lake around here that I
can dive without wearing at least one part of my wetsuit, even in the
late summer. Same goes for diving off of the Jersey coast. It's cold
here too.
> Cold water diving means 'warming' your wetsuit.
Your wetsuit will warm naturally. You know that the layer of water
that is trapped between your skin and the suit is warmed by your body
heat.
>Cold temps encourage urine production and you'd rather get the heat than
>waste valuable body heat keeping it at 98F anyhow. Holding it in ain't
>good for you. DAN actually suggested that drysuiters switch to Depends so
>they wouldn't instead try to dehydrate themselves before diving.
Diving in any temp of water encourages urine production. Your kidneys
are working overtime any time that you dive. That's a fact. I know
holding it in isn't cool. It isn't comfortable either but I would
rather do that. As far as a dry suit and Depends...welllll.... I've
never used a dry suit. I'm ignorant about the workings of them but
I've seen my hub and my friends use them so I do know a little. I can
understand the Depends use just in case. As far as hydrating, I
choose not to guzzle a gallon of fluid before a dive. I see no
purpose to it. We're all supposed to drink 8 8 oz glasses of water
every day whether we dive or not. I don't and most ppl that I know
don't. So this bit about the sudden urgency to hydrate before a dive
is IMHO a bunch of bull. I actually watch what I drink and eat before
a dive. No juice at all. No sodas except seltzer water. One cup of
coffee only. No fried foods, no eggs or pancakes or heavy foods.
No meat for dinner before a night dive. And if I didn't abide by this
rule for myself, I'd end up seasick or with a bad case of heartburn.
I hydrate the night before a dive and then afterwards. Not directly
before. That's my choice and it works well for me.
>Rinsing the suit after the dive works well, and will make you much more
>popular in the car (for us wagon owners) on the way home.
Sometimes that works. Sometimes not. Ya know, I've been on boat
trips where as soon as someone stepped on board, I knew they peed in
their suit. It stinks. And sometimes rinsing it doesn't get the
smell out. After all, we're in this thread to discuss what products
to use for that very purpose so if it was just a matter of a rinse,
then why are we all hip to what cleaning agents we like ? I see that
Ross said that his Henderson rinses well. I didn't think to address
that with him when I posted my reply to him but I should have. I
guess perhaps that some of the newer suits have different material so
the smell is released more easily. I honestly don't know. Mine is an
older suit, is thick...like I said my hub said it's a 9mm but I
thought it was a 7mm...and it has a plush lining so I would bet the
smell would cling. I'm not gonna chance it. Also, our urine
differs in smell depending upon how hydrated we are and what we had to
eat and drink. Imagine eating some asparagus before a dive and then
peeing in your wetsuit. You'd need to soak your suit for week to get
the smell out. LOL
>Most Cal dive boats have showers (or at least a hose) with warm water
>flowing. You can use that to warm up a tad, and flush the suit without
>needing to take it off
Many boats here do not have a shower or hose. In fact, they dip a
bucket into the ocean to provide a source to rinse your mask. That's
why I like to peel off my gear and my wetsuit and jump back in after a
dive. It's nice to just hang on the anchor line or the geri line...or
float line, whatever you have. You can pee then, and don't have to
mess around trying to deal with sitting there in a sloppy head as the
boat rocks all over. I can pee, swim around a little... depending on
the surge and current, wash my hair back, blow my nose (discreetly
and lady like of course ) and feel as refreshed as can be with a salt
water rinse. Then I usually pack up my gear and head up to the bow,
spread out my towel and sleep during the ride back to the dock.
I've been on live-aboards that have a hose and / or a warm shower but
I still won't pee in my wetsuit even then.
>Shame on you for giving uninformed advice (again).
Hey !! That isn't nice...esp after I complimented you on your pic in
another thread. Why do you say that I'm uninformed ? It's just a
matter of personal preference and choice. I have two reasons not to
pee in my suit : first because it stinks and second because I don't
think that urine is very good for the material. If you dive
regularly, your wetsuit takes a beating. You might brush against the
wreck and then get dirt, rust, or grease or it. Or, worse yet,
you might hit something sharp and get a cut in it. They shrink. They
fade. And they wear out. I'm not rich and I can't afford to keep
buying a suit every few years. I should buy a new one now but only
because I gained about 15 lbs.... and that weight has shifted due to
my age...so this one is tight in some spots now. <frown>
But...since I paid all that money for my suit, then why would I want
to chance having it look and smell like a rental suit ? I just can't
do that. Maybe I do have a hang up about it. It seems that most ppl
here think it is ok to pee in their wetsuit so maybe I'm wrong and
everyone else is right. Let's let it go at that and I'll apologize to
you and everyone else then ok ? :(((((((((((((((((((((
OldSalt
O'Neil) wrote and since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could
even see it:
>OldSalt <chi...@sent.net> elucidates:
You're the one who admitted to picking your nose. Hahahahaha
For some reason, I think you're cute anyway Jerome. :) I enjoy
seeing your posts and I like your warped sense of humor.
RAL2OOO
>
>First of all....I will interject that I think peeing in your wetsuit
>is disgusting. There is no reason for it. Pee before your dive.
>And...since the kidneys are hyperactive during your dive and everyone
>has to pee afterward, get back on the boat, take off your gear and
>your wetsuit and then jump back in !! Hold onto the anchor line or
>geri line and pee !! Putting your fins on to do this is a help...also
>your mask and snorkel if the water is rough. Same goes for a beach
>dive...get out, peel off and go back in to pee. Now...if you've
>already fouled your wetsuit... and you don't care that you spent a
>few hundred bucks to buy the thing.... wellllll... Go to the pet
>shop and buy a product called "Nature's Miracle". It's use is for
>removing the smell of cat and dog urine in your house but it works for
>wetsuits too. Soak your suit overnight in a tub of water and add
>about 2 cups of Nature's Miracle. Rinse your suit and hang it to dry.
>Your suit will be fresh ....until you act like an animal and foul it
>again. Shame on you !!!!
Salt You may be happy with your...system but most of us dive profiles that
make your bladder based dive planning unacceptable.
Drink lots of water( makes the urine less potent) & rinse the suit BEFORE it
has a chance to dry & its not a problem.
RAL
OldSalt
<pkarlN...@bnflinc.com.invalid> wrote and since I have Supernews,
it's amazing that I could even see it:
>If you are PROPERLY hydrated a drysuit makes little difference
>as you still have to go. Your arguement doesn't hold up in cold
>water diving as it isn't feasible to jump back in the water and
>not many of the boats have heads.
Then pee off the side of the boat. And make sure you hang your
ass off the side according to the direction of the wind. Sheesh !!!!!
Another one who is hung up on this "properly hydrated" bullshit.
Can't you drink fluids the day / night before your dive or afterward ?
The bit about taking in your daily allowance *right before* a dive
is a crock.
>Also, "because I can" is nonsense. Miranda already alluded to the
>problem the women have with drysuits, as males can solve the
>problem easily with a pee-valve. You're getting hung up on a
>gender thing here and it doesn't make a damn what you are.
I have female friends who use drysuits and they never brought this up
as a major problem. Maybe I shouldn't mention the gender thing but
it seems like men are more than willing to take a leak whenever.
And.... they never ask another guy to accompany them. <g>
OldSalt
<bes...@fenton.beshers.net> wrote and since I have Supernews, it's
amazing that I could even see it:
>Let's have none of that. Honest disgust, honestly stated. Wording
>too strong? On USENET?
Well wording here can be too strong. And I think this is a very hard
medium to have a convo because I can't see you and you can't see me.
If we were in real life, then you could tell if I was kidding by the
tone of my voice or the expression on my face. You can't here. And
soooo.... sometimes things said in jest here are taken too seriously
and taken as an insult when that was not the intent. I think that ppl
here who know me will know by now though if I'm angry or serious or
joking or sad or hurt or whatever. But maybe not.
>And you fomented one of the more interesting discussions in some
>time...
About pee ? Oh geeze.... that's a nice thing to be remembered for.
LOL !!! So tell me Mr Beshers, do *you* pee in your wetsuit ?
Phil
snip
>Then pee off the side of the boat. And make sure you hang your
>ass off the side according to the direction of the wind. Sheesh
!!!!!
>Another one who is hung up on this "properly hydrated"
bullshit.
Gettin' kind of testy there salty. Do I have to worry about
"your" attitude?
Clifford Beshers
> On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:14:31 GMT, Clifford Beshers
> <bes...@fenton.beshers.net> wrote and since I have Supernews, it's
> amazing that I could even see it:
>
> About pee ? Oh geeze.... that's a nice thing to be remembered for.
> LOL !!! So tell me Mr Beshers, do *you* pee in your wetsuit ?
I have, but not recently. But I try and get hydrated well before the
dive, forgoing the morning coffee unless there is a good long time
between breakfast and the dive. I think you suggested this in another
post, and it certainly seems like the right approach. Stay balanced
always, and things won't be a problem.
Plus, most of my dives so far have required a fair amount of marching
around. The hills at Dutch Springs, for example. I think I've been
sweating enough that any water I drink before the dive gets hoarded
jealously by my body and denied to the kidneys.
________________
Clifford Beshers
bes...@cs.columbia.edu
OldSalt
<m...@tikacanoe.on.ca> wrote and since I have Supernews, it's amazing
that I could even see it:
>FWIW, I don't pee in my wetsuit either, it seems gross to me, too, and
>I just don't like the idea.
Ahhh....another anti- pee person. We're outnumbered here Mike. :)
> If others prefer to do it, then that's
>just dandy. After diving, I just rinse off my suit in water to get
>off any dirt, grass -- a 1 min. rinse does it. No soaking in any kind
>of solution. I guess some people just have a weak bladder; I'd
>recommend a steady, copious diet of beer to train the liver, kidneys
>and bladder to function as more of a team.
Copious diet of beer huh ? LOL !!!!!
>But we won't get into a discussion of my booties -- they're frequently
>visited by Sink-the-Stink and other concoctions.
I see. And I would bet your sneakers are nothing to write home about
either huh ? <g> My booties are a mess...tattered and faded and with
holes. And the river dives that I did a week or so ago made me
realize that I need new reef gloves. Holes in both of them too.
Thank goodness Christmas is coming....I got my wish list set. LOL
>I drink plenty of fluids (non-caffeinated, no diuretics) before diving
>and bring a jug of ice water for the day, and I *plan* a void before
>putting on the wetsuit, and I never have any problems.
You're like me but I don't drink alot during the dive. The others see
us as having a hang up ya know. <big evil grin>
OldSalt
I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see it:
> Salt You may be happy with your...system but most of us dive profiles that
>make your bladder based dive planning unacceptable.
They do not. I've been in for an hour...just got 55 mins bottom time
during a river dive last week.... and although I have to pee when I
get out, I'm ok during the dive. It's all in the planning. <g>
> Drink lots of water( makes the urine less potent) & rinse the suit BEFORE it
>has a chance to dry & its not a problem.
Point taken from another of the "pro-peers". :)
Caryn Zeier
: On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:22:22 -0700, Phil
: <pkarlN...@bnflinc.com.invalid> wrote and since I have Supernews,
: it's amazing that I could even see it:
: >If you are PROPERLY hydrated a drysuit makes little difference
: >as you still have to go. Your arguement doesn't hold up in cold
: >water diving as it isn't feasible to jump back in the water and
: >not many of the boats have heads.
: Then pee off the side of the boat. And make sure you hang your
: ass off the side according to the direction of the wind. Sheesh !!!!!
I just got a really funny image of trying to squat over the side
of the boat =) It's really too much trouble for me...I use the
suit and make sure to wash it out really good.
: Another one who is hung up on this "properly hydrated" bullshit.
: Can't you drink fluids the day / night before your dive or afterward ?
: The bit about taking in your daily allowance *right before* a dive
: is a crock.
I agree that you shouldn't try to get all your hydration right before
diving. However, I don't think that's what most people are advocating.
IMO, you just sound like it grosses you out...we all have those
things. For me it's any cotton type material in the mouth (not
that it has anything to do w/ the topic). I can understand you
not wanting to do it but thinking that it's animalistic is your
rationalization of why it grosses you out...just an opinion.
: I have female friends who use drysuits and they never brought this up
: as a major problem. Maybe I shouldn't mention the gender thing but
: it seems like men are more than willing to take a leak whenever.
: And.... they never ask another guy to accompany them. <g>
I don't think it's a gender thing. When you need to go, you need to
go.
Caryn
Ross Bagley
OldSalt <chi...@sent.net> wrote:
[...snip...]
>Can't you drink fluids the day / night before your dive or afterward ?
>The bit about taking in your daily allowance *right before* a dive
>is a crock.
Well, you lose quite a bit of water during the night, both from
metabolic processes (bladder) and from normal perspiration (unless you
sleep with a vapor barrier). Replenishing those losses is typically
my first order of business in the morning, and it requires several
(normally 3 to 4) cups of water/milk/juice to accomplish.
It is my goal to be properly hydrated *during* a dive, so unless the
water I'm swimming in is potable (Aquarena Springs is cleaner than my
tap water), I will probably be drinking fluids right up to the day's
first dive and in the surface interval between dives.
[...snip...]
>I have female friends who use drysuits and they never brought this up
>as a major problem. Maybe I shouldn't mention the gender thing but
>it seems like men are more than willing to take a leak whenever.
Unlike you, I can't seem to equate peeing in a wetsuit with "whipping
it out" and peeing in public or near public places. The context is
completely and utterly different. Not only is it undetectable, but
the destination of the waste material is the exact same place its
going to go anyway (if you use the head on the boat). Combined with
the almost guaranteed physiological need to pee when diving... I'm
going to continue peeing in my wetsuit and my buddies will be none the
wiser.
>And.... they never ask another guy to accompany them. <g>
Unless there's some really hot chick to talk about, but the
conversation ends once the bathroom is reached and starts again upon
exit...
Regards,
Ross
-- Ross Bagley & Associates http://rossbagley.com/rba
"We don't just write software, we help you write software better!"
Rosalie B.
>On 17 Jul 2000 13:49:52 GMT, borneo...@pd.jaring.my (Erik) wrote
>and since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see it:
>
>>Ok, so a friend of mine (yeh, yeh) always pees in his wetsuit, and both it and
>>his swim-trunks are starting to get a bit smelly. There must be some
>>relatively benign substance that neutralizes this odor.
>>Any ideas?
>
>First of all....I will interject that I think peeing in your wetsuit is disgusting
Why do you think it is worse to do this in the wetsuit than in the
swim trunks?
I don't wear a wetsuit, but I try to remember pee before I get back on
the boat.
grandma Rosalie
OldSalt
<pkarlN...@bnflinc.com.invalid> wrote and since I have Supernews,
it's amazing that I could even see it:
>OldSalt <chi...@sent.net> wrote:
>snip
>>Then pee off the side of the boat. And make sure you hang your
>>ass off the side according to the direction of the wind. Sheesh
>!!!!!
>>Another one who is hung up on this "properly hydrated"
>bullshit.
>
>
>Gettin' kind of testy there salty. Do I have to worry about
>"your" attitude?
Bite me.
Ross Bagley
OldSalt <chi...@sent.net> wrote:
[...snip...]
>As far as hydrating, I choose not to guzzle a gallon of fluid before
>a dive. I see no purpose to it. We're all supposed to drink 8 8 oz
>glasses of water every day whether we dive or not. I don't and most
>ppl that I know don't.
That's kinda too bad, as being dehydrated has all sorts of negative
effects and cumulative stresses on your body. Personally, I make a
very little effort to be properly hydrated all the time and don't find
it to be very burdensome (I make exceptions for long car trips :)
>So this bit about the sudden urgency to hydrate before a dive is IMHO
>a bunch of bull.
Since it's just the way I normally live my life, there is no "sudden
urgency". I carry plenty of water and sport drinks in my dive bag and
I use them up in a day of diving. I pretty much do this for every
activity I pursue.
Backpacking and camping in Big Bend National Park (mostly desert) was
very eye opening for me and my friends, as my focus on being properly
hydrated and securing sufficient water supplies was quite a change for
them. I was usually carrying between 5 and 10 pounds (4 to 8 liters)
of water in my pack at any time. But at the end, they agreed that
they had a more relaxed and more comfortable trip than ever before
because they were never really thirsty, they had better endurance for
the climbs (along with more energy overall), and they were never
worried if we had enough water for drinking & meals.
>I actually watch what I drink and eat before a dive. No juice at
>all. No sodas except seltzer water. One cup of coffee only. [...]
If we were buddies, this would make me a little apprehensive and I
would probably include it as another factor to keep the dive more
conservative than usual.
OldSalt
<bes...@fenton.beshers.net> wrote and since I have Supernews, it's
amazing that I could even see it:
>I have, but not recently. But I try and get hydrated well before the
>dive, forgoing the morning coffee unless there is a good long time
>between breakfast and the dive. I think you suggested this in another
>post, and it certainly seems like the right approach. Stay balanced
>always, and things won't be a problem.
Perhaps. I don't know. I certainly don't claim to be an expert. I
do what works for me. The coffee limit, the limit on fatty things,
and the limit on acidic stuff like juice are just something that I
found works for me. I was seasick once on a boat trip....and once was
enough. I felt so bad that I told one of the divers to shoot me with
his speargun and put me out of my misery. LOL
>Plus, most of my dives so far have required a fair amount of marching
>around. The hills at Dutch Springs, for example. I think I've been
>sweating enough that any water I drink before the dive gets hoarded
>jealously by my body and denied to the kidneys.
Yikes !!!! You go to Dutch ?? In PA ?? If so, you are right
around the corner from me. What shop certed you ?? MASC, Diver's
Den, Jolly Roger, Underwater World, The Scuba Tank ??
OldSalt
since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see it:
>I just got a really funny image of trying to squat over the side
>of the boat =) It's really too much trouble for me...I use the
>suit and make sure to wash it out really good.
I know...it is funny to imagine. LOL Well at any rate, welcome to
the group Caryn !!!! It's nice to have another female here....even if
you are in the "pro-pee" group. :)
>I agree that you shouldn't try to get all your hydration right before
>diving. However, I don't think that's what most people are advocating.
Yes...I know. But I don't understand the logic behind it. If you are
dehydrated or underhydrated, then it is going to take a good 24 hr to
48 hrs to get you back to speed so cramming fluids hours before your
dive is useless.
>IMO, you just sound like it grosses you out...we all have those
>things. For me it's any cotton type material in the mouth (not
>that it has anything to do w/ the topic). I can understand you
>not wanting to do it but thinking that it's animalistic is your
>rationalization of why it grosses you out...just an opinion.
Well the smell grosses me out. I don't object to peeing in the ocean
in my bathing suit....in fact it's a nice feeling to hang off the
anchor line and do just that. I just think that the urine really gets
trapped in your wetsuit and that is the part that is gross....not to
mention that you paid a pretty penny for suit so why ruin it. Now
your thing with the cotton in your mouth.... ?? When would that
occur ? Are we talking bondage here ?? <huge evil grin>
>I don't think it's a gender thing. When you need to go, you need to
>go.
I know it. But think about camping trips you've been on. It's always
better to choose your spot isn't it ? LOL
OldSalt
since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see it:
>Well, you lose quite a bit of water during the night, both from
>metabolic processes (bladder) and from normal perspiration (unless you
>sleep with a vapor barrier). Replenishing those losses is typically
>my first order of business in the morning, and it requires several
>(normally 3 to 4) cups of water/milk/juice to accomplish.
Ok... but do you do this every morning ? If you aren't diving, do
you "replenish" before you go to work ? I can't believe that we
are spending so much time talking about peeing. ROFLMAOOO
Also, you mentioned your suit in another post and I neglected to
reply to that.... Perhaps your suit is made of a material that is
more easily washed out ? Mine is old and I think it is more
resistant to rinsings. :(
>It is my goal to be properly hydrated *during* a dive, so unless the
>water I'm swimming in is potable (Aquarena Springs is cleaner than my
>tap water), I will probably be drinking fluids right up to the day's
>first dive and in the surface interval between dives.
I don't do this at all.
>Unlike you, I can't seem to equate peeing in a wetsuit with "whipping
>it out" and peeing in public or near public places. The context is
>completely and utterly different. Not only is it undetectable, but
>the destination of the waste material is the exact same place its
>going to go anyway (if you use the head on the boat). Combined with
>the almost guaranteed physiological need to pee when diving... I'm
>going to continue peeing in my wetsuit and my buddies will be none the
>wiser.
You hope they are none the wiser. Ever catch a whiff of someone who
peed before they got back into the boat ? It isn't pleasant.
>Unless there's some really hot chick to talk about, but the
>conversation ends once the bathroom is reached and starts again upon
>exit...
Then you guys go to the head together ?? I didn't think yas did
that. <g>
OldSalt
<gmbe...@mindspring.com> wrote and since I have Supernews, it's
amazing that I could even see it:
>Why do you think it is worse to do this in the wetsuit than in the
>swim trunks?
Because the very nature of a wetsuit design holds the fluid in. And
if that fluid is urine, then it smells. Your bathing suit isn't like
that at all.
>I don't wear a wetsuit, but I try to remember pee before I get back on
>the boat.
There ya go.... you're a gal after my own heart and peeing with a
dive skin or a bathing suit / tee shirt combo. That's all fine. It
washes out more easily.
OldSalt
since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see it:
>That's kinda too bad, as being dehydrated has all sorts of negative
>effects and cumulative stresses on your body. Personally, I make a
>very little effort to be properly hydrated all the time and don't find
>it to be very burdensome (I make exceptions for long car trips :)
I don't feel any negative effects though.
>Since it's just the way I normally live my life, there is no "sudden
>urgency". I carry plenty of water and sport drinks in my dive bag and
>I use them up in a day of diving. I pretty much do this for every
>activity I pursue.
Like I asked before...do you do this everyday ??
>Backpacking and camping in Big Bend National Park (mostly desert) was
>very eye opening for me and my friends, as my focus on being properly
>hydrated and securing sufficient water supplies was quite a change for
>them. I was usually carrying between 5 and 10 pounds (4 to 8 liters)
>of water in my pack at any time. But at the end, they agreed that
>they had a more relaxed and more comfortable trip than ever before
>because they were never really thirsty, they had better endurance for
>the climbs (along with more energy overall), and they were never
>worried if we had enough water for drinking & meals.
I've never done a long back packing trip...and never in a desert. I
think it's cool that you did this. :) The only time that I ever saw
a desert was Death Valley during a drive from Calif to Nevada. I was
in awe. The scenery was beautiful. Loved the mountains and then the
bare land....the tumbleweeds...the cacti. I can't imagine how our
forefathers crossed that land in wagons though. They were some
gutsy ppl.
>If we were buddies, this would make me a little apprehensive and I
>would probably include it as another factor to keep the dive more
>conservative than usual.
You shouldn't feel that way. This is what I'm used to and it's been
an MO for me for years. I function better this way. And...BTW...if
we were buddies, I wouldn't comment when I went through that area of
sudden warm water. <grin>
Ross Bagley
OldSalt <chi...@sent.net> wrote:
>On 18 Jul 2000 18:45:18 GMT, r...@jump.net (Ross Bagley) wrote and
>since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see it:
>
>>metabolic processes (bladder) and from normal perspiration (unless you
>>sleep with a vapor barrier). Replenishing those losses is typically
>>my first order of business in the morning, and it requires several
>>(normally 3 to 4) cups of water/milk/juice to accomplish.
>
>Ok... but do you do this every morning ? If you aren't diving, do
>you "replenish" before you go to work ?
I thought that was clear... It's just a part of being properly
hydrated. As I said, it's my first order of business in the morning.
Not just mornings when I'm diving, jogging, backpacking, etc. I get
out of bed, pee, eat and drink breakfast, get a shower, brush my
teeth, etc...
>I can't believe that we are spending so much time talking about
>peeing. ROFLMAOOO
I'm talking about one little part of being healthy. Peeing while
diving is just how we got here.
>Also, you mentioned your suit in another post and I neglected to
>reply to that.... Perhaps your suit is made of a material that is
>more easily washed out?
Definitely true. The lining in the Henderson Gold line of wetsuits
(there are several similar linings by competitors) aren't made of
fabric like a "normal" wetsuit. Instead, it looks like a kind of
rubber sprayed directly onto the neoprene. This lining does not
absorb water and rinses clean.
>Mine is old and I think it is more resistant to rinsings. :(
Any "normal" wetsuit with the nylon lining will take some effort
to rinse out. I believe I remember you saying that your wetsuit
has a fleece interior, which would retain even more water and be
even more difficult to rinse out.
>>It is my goal to be properly hydrated *during* a dive, so unless the
>>water I'm swimming in is potable (Aquarena Springs is cleaner than my
>>tap water), I will probably be drinking fluids right up to the day's
>>first dive and in the surface interval between dives.
>
>I don't do this at all.
Well, I'd say that you're probably in the majority. I don't know of
many people who make even the slightest effort to avoid dehydration,
even among scuba divers. The stresses on your body from dehydration
aren't all that obvious: you breathe a little harder when carrying the
box up the stairs, you increase your risk of DCS a few percent, you
take a *lot* longer to get over the hangover the next day, etc. I
choose to deliberately buck the majority in this case and take some
care to be properly hydrated as much as possible.
I do think that you'd be a little (not a lot) healthier and feel a
little better all the time if you paid more attention to being
properly hydrated. I'd suggest doing some research on the topic, and
I'm sorry that I don't have any references to pass along (perhaps Doc
Taylor can help me out), but the two big indicators of being properly
hydrated is that you are not thirsty (being thirsty is pretty far
along the dehydration scale) and during the day you pee clear. In the
morning, you're going to pee yellow no matter what. Also, be aware
that B vitamin suppliments will make you pee bright yellow so if you
take a daily multivitamin that contains lots of B complexes, you'll
pee neon yellow even when you're properly hydrated.
[...snip...]
>>I'm going to continue peeing in my wetsuit and my buddies will be
>>none the wiser.
>You hope they are none the wiser.
My wetsuit still smells strongly of neoprene. Nothing else. I've
even asked if people could tell and most insist that I am lying (one
of my buddies still doesn't believe me).
>Ever catch a whiff of someone who peed before they got back into the
>boat? It isn't pleasant.
I can believe it. One time I did wear a different bathing suit under
the wetsuit and the result wasn't very enjoyable. My normal scuba
bathing suit is a pair of compression shorts (looks like a speedo with
legs) that rinse out very easily. On that day I wore a more typical
pair of swim trunks and I ended up swimming around for a while to get
the smell out.
>>Unless there's some really hot chick to talk about, but the
>>conversation ends once the bathroom is reached and starts again upon
>>exit...
>
>Then you guys go to the head together ?? I didn't think yas did
>that. <g>
A trip to the head can be a convenient excuse for a conversation away
from your date, and occasionally there is good enough motivation for
it. I've never asked a guy to go to the bathroom, but sometimes eye
signals can work to get the point across that I need to say something
that I can't say in present company...
Ross Bagley
OldSalt <chi...@sent.net> wrote:
>On 18 Jul 2000 19:02:24 GMT, r...@jump.net (Ross Bagley) wrote and
>since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see it:
>
>>effects and cumulative stresses on your body. Personally, I make a
>>very little effort to be properly hydrated all the time and don't find
>>it to be very burdensome (I make exceptions for long car trips :)
>
>I don't feel any negative effects though.
That's the thing about humans and fluid levels. Your body works best
when properly hydrated, but your performance on specific tasks doesn't
degrade substantially until you get really low on fluids. It does
degrade, just not a lot.
Being dehydrated and the resulting incremental loss in performance
does represent an additional stressor throughout the day and also
results in the exaggeration of chemical stresses in your body (ref the
best "cure" for a hangover is to drink a lot of water, replacing the
lost fluids and diluting the ketones and aldehydes that your body
produces while metabolizing the contents of alcoholic drinks).
I make a little effort to avoid dehydration. I don't notice any real
difference in day to day activities (except, perhaps running in
Austin's 100 degree heat), but I'm fairly certain that it's doing me
good in the long run. If you do some reading on the topic (and ignore
the quacks, any effect is incremental, not dramatic), I'm fairly
certain you'll find a little effort to be worthwhile.
Ginny Sher
would try that first. Clorox does the same and works better but I
can't say what bleach would do to neoprene...?? maybe a very diluted
mixture of it, say...1/2 cup to 10 gallons/water and let soak. Don't
blame me if you end up with holes in your wetsuit or smelling like a
low fat salad dressing :-Ţ
Ginny Sher
On 17 Jul 2000 13:49:52 GMT, borneo...@pd.jaring.my (Erik) wrote:
>Ok, so a friend of mine (yeh, yeh) always pees in his wetsuit, and both it and
>his swim-trunks are starting to get a bit smelly. There must be some
>relatively benign substance that neutralizes this odor.
>Any ideas?
>Thanks,
>Erik
>
Bob Crownfield
>
> On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:41:32 -0700, Phil
> it's amazing that I could even see it:
>
> >snip
> >>Then pee off the side of the boat. And make sure you hang your
> >>ass off the side according to the direction of the wind. Sheesh
> >!!!!!
> >>Another one who is hung up on this "properly hydrated"
> >bullshit.
> >
> >
> >Gettin' kind of testy there salty. Do I have to worry about
> >"your" attitude?
>
> Bite me.
And thus you win "The Laugh of the Day Award" !
Perfectly done !
--
Bob Crownfield, Crown...@Home.com
Photography, Flying, Delphi Rad Addict
Now diving the Pacific in the LA Area.
"Protect freedoms before they become extinct."
Eric R
"Im sorry about your roomates wetsuit Jenny"
"OldSalt" <chi...@sent.net> wrote in message
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> On 17 Jul 2000 13:49:52 GMT, borneo...@pd.jaring.my (Erik) wrote
> and since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see it:
>
> >Ok, so a friend of mine (yeh, yeh) always pees in his wetsuit, and both
it and
> >his swim-trunks are starting to get a bit smelly. There must be some
> >relatively benign substance that neutralizes this odor.
> >Any ideas?
>
> First of all....I will interject that I think peeing in your wetsuit
Popeye
>Well I usually do. But maybe I should apologize for saying that it is
>"animalistic". I didn't mean to offend and insult those who choose
>to do this and it seems that I have. My choice of wording was too
>strong ( as usual again ) and I'm sorry.
>
>
A select few of us, as usual, took "animalistic" as a complement, of course.
:-)
There's two types of divers, those who piss in their wetsuits, and those who
lie about it...(that's an old saying, just humor!)
Popeye
The Beatings Will Continue
Until Moral Improves
.
Iain Smith
>dehydrated or underhydrated, then it is going to take a good 24 hr to
>48 hrs to get you back to speed so cramming fluids hours before your
>dive is useless.
Depends on the solute concentration. If you're using isotonic drinks (eg
oral rehydration salts made up in the correct volume), fluid uptake is much
more rapid. IOW, the efficiacy of fluid uptake is related to what you are
drinking. Nonetheless, as you say, it is sensible to start pre-hydration at
least 24 hours before a dive.
<off topic, on treating dehydration>
[In an emergency, oral rehydration solutions can be improvised with a pint
of water containing a pinch of sugar and a pinch of salt - sodium/glucose
cotransport in the stomach increase the rate of sodium uptake. Chloride ions
follow sodium ions, and water follows NaCl. I understand that warm, flat
Coke is also a useful alternative]
</off topic>
Iain
Jason O'Rourke
>Jason...you don't understand. I live in PA so I *need* a wetsuit to
>dive too. There's not a quarry or river or lake around here that I
>can dive without wearing at least one part of my wetsuit, even in the
>late summer. Same goes for diving off of the Jersey coast. It's cold
>here too.
Sorry for that slight.
I don't see how you can dive and not do it. When I dive wet, I don't find
it particularly voluntary, though there are days where I might go
without. But at the same time, on a cold day, where I'm out in the water
for a total of 90 minutes, I might go *twice*. And I usually don't drink
enough fluids! The drysuit really does reduce the need to an extent, but
not if I want to spend the day zipped up. (It's really awkward when you
don't have facilities nearby, even for men)
Healthwise, I think you run greater risks holding it in all the time. If
you want to - good. But you shouldn't be chastising the greater majority
for letting go.
Last note - drinking right before a dive won't have any effect. It takes
considerable time for fluids to work into the system. But since you're
about to steal away fluids, it's a good time to add them in.
--
Jason O'Rourke j...@best.com www.jor.com
Last dive @ Metridium Colony, Monterey. 60 mins @ 53ft depth max
Caryn Zeier
: On 18 Jul 2000 18:12:49 GMT, ze...@fc.hp.com (Caryn Zeier) wrote and
: >I just got a really funny image of trying to squat over the side
: >of the boat =) It's really too much trouble for me...I use the
: >suit and make sure to wash it out really good.
: I know...it is funny to imagine. LOL Well at any rate, welcome to
: the group Caryn !!!!
Thanks!
: It's nice to have another female here....even if
: you are in the "pro-pee" group. :)
Pro-pee group, I'm so proud...
: >I agree that you shouldn't try to get all your hydration right before
: >diving. However, I don't think that's what most people are advocating.
: Yes...I know. But I don't understand the logic behind it. If you are
: dehydrated or underhydrated, then it is going to take a good 24 hr to
: 48 hrs to get you back to speed so cramming fluids hours before your
: dive is useless.
It is useless. From what I've read in this thread (I have skipped a
few posts), most people have just said that if you are well hydrated
that it won't stink. As for the absolute *need* to pee in their
wet suits because of hydrating I don't think that's really true. I
think if you get right down to it those of us in the pro-pee group
just like to do it, not really a need at all. YMMV.
: >IMO, you just sound like it grosses you out...we all have those
: >things. For me it's any cotton type material in the mouth (not
: >that it has anything to do w/ the topic). I can understand you
: >not wanting to do it but thinking that it's animalistic is your
: >rationalization of why it grosses you out...just an opinion.
: Well the smell grosses me out.
How much of the smell is just mildew from the ocean water? I'm
sure urine doesn't help the situation at all but I think that if
you are well hydrated this smell is minimized.
: I don't object to peeing in the ocean in my bathing suit....
Doesn't the smell gross you out on it? Why can't you wash your
wet suit out the same way you do your bathing suit?
: in fact it's a nice feeling to hang off the
: anchor line and do just that. I just think that the urine really gets
: trapped in your wetsuit and that is the part that is gross....not to
: mention that you paid a pretty penny for suit so why ruin it.
How does urine effect wetsuit? Does it really cause the material
to deteriorate faster?
: Now
: your thing with the cotton in your mouth.... ?? When would that
: occur ? Are we talking bondage here ?? <huge evil grin>
Very funny...the most common is when people get something stuck in
their teeth and stick their napkin in to retrieve it...or like we
didn't all know that dentist are out to get us, what's up with that
gauze and cotton stuff? YUCK!
: >I don't think it's a gender thing. When you need to go, you need to
: >go.
: I know it. But think about camping trips you've been on. It's always
: better to choose your spot isn't it ? LOL
You've got a point!
Caryn
Ice~
> swim trunks?
Well I can buy a pair of swim trunks at Wal-Mart for about $8.00 they are
much cheaper and easier to wash then a wetsuit. I usually have a pee before
I dive and have never had a problem in the water. I do drink lots of water 8
to 10 large glasses everyday not just when I go diving so I think I am
properly hydrated.
I would prefer not to pee in my wetsuit if I don't have to and I would hold
it as long as I could, only as a last resort would pee I pee in my wetsuit.
Not sure if I would consider it gross if I had to pee in it but some have
suggested how good it feels to do this. I guess I would have to say that
WATER-SPORTS is my Hobby not my SEXUAL FETISH, Oh well to each his own,.
then again maybe I am just not DIR. ;-)
Ice~
Lee Bell
We wash both the swim trunks and wetsuit. My wife has some kind of special
soap for the wetsuits. We use the gentle cycle. Needless to say, I hope,
the wetsuit does not go into the dryer.
Lee
> Wash your swim trunks in the washing machine. "Stink-Out" works pretty
good
> for your wetsuit, but personally, I don't like the smell. A diving
> instructor friend of mine recommended rinsing the wetsuit in a full
bathtub
> of water with 1/2 cup of vinegar. Tried it once...worked pretty darn
good.
> Don't use more vingegar than 1/2 cup...otherwise your wetsuit will smell
> like pickles. :)
>
> Any thoughts from the experts on vinegar??
>
> Jenn
>
> Erik <borneo...@pd.jaring.my> wrote in message
> news:8kv2u0$5mm$1...@news4.jaring.my...
> > Ok, so a friend of mine (yeh, yeh) always pees in his wetsuit, and both
it
> and
> > his swim-trunks are starting to get a bit smelly. There must be some
> > relatively benign substance that neutralizes this odor.
> > Any ideas?
> > Thanks,
> > Erik
> >
>
>
chilly
pouring water down your throat throughout the day. Considering
your preference not to pee in the suit, a little dehydration
seems to suit you (whether its good for you or not, well...)
But what would you do if you were diving in the Caribbean or SE
Asia and the air temp was 85-105 degrees F? and you left the
dock at 6 a.m. and didn't return from open ocean until 6 p.m.?
Would you still be inclined to restrict fluid intake?
Myself, I'd prefer not to pee in my suit, but I stay well
hydrated (or attempt to) and for me, the reflex is very
powerful. Therefore, holding it is rarely an option. I just
rinse very, very thoroughly. My apologies to any dive buddies
and boat mates (past & future) that have been offended by my
aroma.
(P.S. regarding that new 15 pounds you were talking about.
Increase your daily water intake and I'll bet you'll be
surprised at the results.)
OldSalt <chi...@sent.net> wrote:
>I've never done a long back packing trip...and never in a
desert. I
>think it's cool that you did this. :) The only time that I
ever saw
>a desert was Death Valley during a drive from Calif to Nevada.
I was
>in awe
Rick Rivard
clean, water (those battery operated camping shower things make the water go
a long way). After getting home, toss odiferous wetsuit in Rubbermaid
Action packer full of fresh water and a full 2 caps of fabric softener.
Soak 15 minutes and hang in the hot, steamy tropical sun, which BTW is a
pretty good deodorizer itself. Sell suit to unsuspecting rookie at flea
market 2 years later--a more permanent solution.
RR
Jason O'Rourke <j...@best.com> wrote in message
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> OldSalt <chi...@sent.net> wrote:
> >First of all....I will interject that I think peeing in your wetsuit
> >is disgusting. There is no reason for it. Pee before your dive.
> >And...since the kidneys are hyperactive during your dive and everyone
> >has to pee afterward, get back on the boat, take off your gear and
> >your wetsuit and then jump back in !! Hold onto the anchor line or
>
> Salt - your advise is worthless for those of us that actually *need* to
> wear a wetsuit to dive. Cold water diving means 'warming' your wetsuit.
> Cold temps encourage urine production and you'd rather get the heat than
> waste valuable body heat keeping it at 98F anyhow. Holding it in ain't
> good for you. DAN actually suggested that drysuiters switch to Depends so
> they wouldn't instead try to dehydrate themselves before diving.
>
> Rinsing the suit after the dive works well, and will make you much more
> popular in the car (for us wagon owners) on the way home.
>
> Most Cal dive boats have showers (or at least a hose) with warm water
> flowing. You can use that to warm up a tad, and flush the suit without
> needing to take it off
>
> >Your suit will be fresh ....until you act like an animal and foul it
> >again. Shame on you !!!!
>
> Shame on you for giving uninformed advice (again).
Dan Bracuk
" Added note : he doesn't pee in his wetsuit though. "
And you know this how???
Dan Bracuk
Toronto, Canada
It's bad luck to be superstitious.
rec.scuba faq http://scifi.squawk.com/scuba.html
Dan Bracuk
" I have two reasons not to pee in my suit : first because it
stinks and second because I don't think that urine is very good for
the material. "
My personal observations, of which are several, are that urine does
not damage wetsuits.
Bob Crownfield
>
> OldSalt (chi...@sent.net) wrote:
> : On 18 Jul 2000 18:12:49 GMT, ze...@fc.hp.com (Caryn Zeier) wrote and
>
> : >I just got a really funny image of trying to squat over the side
> : >of the boat =) It's really too much trouble for me...I use the
> : >suit and make sure to wash it out really good.
>
> : I know...it is funny to imagine. LOL Well at any rate, welcome to
> : the group Caryn !!!!
>
> Thanks!
>
> : It's nice to have another female here....even if
> : you are in the "pro-pee" group. :)
>
> Pro-pee group, I'm so proud...
>
> : >I agree that you shouldn't try to get all your hydration right before
> : >diving. However, I don't think that's what most people are advocating.
>
> : Yes...I know. But I don't understand the logic behind it. If you are
> : dehydrated or underhydrated, then it is going to take a good 24 hr to
> : 48 hrs to get you back to speed so cramming fluids hours before your
> : dive is useless.
>
> It is useless. From what I've read in this thread (I have skipped a
> few posts), most people have just said that if you are well hydrated
> that it won't stink. As for the absolute *need* to pee in their
> wet suits because of hydrating I don't think that's really true. I
> think if you get right down to it those of us in the pro-pee group
> just like to do it, not really a need at all. YMMV.
Golden showers ?
--
CPR86
> Lemon Lysol and a 30 minute soak. No contest.
The divers supply method... It works well I use it all the time..
CS.......
Thought of the day -
How come you don't ever hear about gruntled employees?
--
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List of Internet scuba shops....
Wombat
chilly wrote
> (P.S. regarding that new 15 pounds you were talking about.
> Increase your daily water intake and I'll bet you'll be
> surprised at the results.)
>
Very true. After I retired I developed ... well... a fuller figure. My doc
suggested I up my water intake, as I basically drank very little. I lost a
noticeable amount of lard just from doing this. I'm now a very lithe 118kg.
Wombat
PS Oldsalt have you thought about a crotch-less wetsuit. Pee all you like
and no smell. ........now where are those scissors?
Brian Wagner
>
> PS Oldsalt have you thought about a crotch-less wetsuit. Pee all you like
> and no smell. ........now where are those scissors?
Oldsalt and crotchless in the same sentence - don't get me started!
Caryn Zeier
: Not sure if I would consider it gross if I had to pee in it but some have
: suggested how good it feels to do this. I guess I would have to say that
: WATER-SPORTS is my Hobby not my SEXUAL FETISH, Oh well to each his own,.
: then again maybe I am just not DIR. ;-)
Big difference between feeling good and being a sexual fetish.
Caryn
Caryn Zeier
: Caryn Zeier wrote:
: > It is useless. From what I've read in this thread (I have skipped a
: > few posts), most people have just said that if you are well hydrated
: > that it won't stink. As for the absolute *need* to pee in their
: > wet suits because of hydrating I don't think that's really true. I
: > think if you get right down to it those of us in the pro-pee group
: > just like to do it, not really a need at all. YMMV.
: Golden showers ?
Not exactly what I meant...like I said in my last post,
feeling good != sexual fetish.
I think you just wanted to fit that term in somewhere =)
Caryn
Brian Wagner
who lie about it.
Bob Crownfield
>
> There are 2 kinds of divers - those who pee in their wetsuit, and those
> who lie about it.
If they will pee in their own clothing,
how can you tell if they are even housebroken?
Wombat
"Mike from Ottawa" <m...@tikacanoe.on.ca> wrote in message
news:s5hbnsss41t53t77m...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:38:11 +1000, "Wombat" <wom...@bigpond.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >chilly wrote
> >
> >> (P.S. regarding that new 15 pounds you were talking about.
> >> Increase your daily water intake and I'll bet you'll be
> >> surprised at the results.)
> >>
> >Very true. After I retired I developed ... well... a fuller figure. My
doc
> >suggested I up my water intake, as I basically drank very little. I lost
a
> >noticeable amount of lard just from doing this. I'm now a very lithe
118kg.
>
> have the shape of a very large wombat.
>
Being a bit over 2m tall helps spread the load. I picked up the nickname
when I was about forty and I was about 140 - 150 kg. After an injury that
put me in hospital for a while I trimmed down. At 60 I can see my abs for
the first time since 1958 which coincidentally was when I started diving.
Wombat
Brian Wagner
Sometimes a sexual fetish involves feeling bad, or downright painful.
OldSalt
since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see it:
>>I don't feel any negative effects though.
>
>That's the thing about humans and fluid levels. Your body works best
>when properly hydrated, but your performance on specific tasks doesn't
>degrade substantially until you get really low on fluids. It does
>degrade, just not a lot.
>
>Being dehydrated and the resulting incremental loss in performance
>does represent an additional stressor throughout the day and also
>results in the exaggeration of chemical stresses in your body (ref the
>best "cure" for a hangover is to drink a lot of water, replacing the
>lost fluids and diluting the ketones and aldehydes that your body
>produces while metabolizing the contents of alcoholic drinks).
>
>I make a little effort to avoid dehydration. I don't notice any real
>difference in day to day activities (except, perhaps running in
>Austin's 100 degree heat), but I'm fairly certain that it's doing me
>good in the long run. If you do some reading on the topic (and ignore
>the quacks, any effect is incremental, not dramatic), I'm fairly
>certain you'll find a little effort to be worthwhile.
You are right. Maybe I will try it and see. :)
OldSalt
since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see it:
>>Ok... but do you do this every morning ? If you aren't diving, do
>>you "replenish" before you go to work ?
>
>I thought that was clear... It's just a part of being properly
>hydrated. As I said, it's my first order of business in the morning.
>Not just mornings when I'm diving, jogging, backpacking, etc. I get
>out of bed, pee, eat and drink breakfast, get a shower, brush my
>teeth, etc...
I didn't realize that...I'm sorry. You are one of the few then who
actually do what we're supposed to when it comes to hydrating.
I know I should. Guess part of it is just laziness. Before I got
into management and doing 8 hr shifts, I was doing homecare visits.
It wasn't practical to drink alot and then have to drive from house to
house to see my patients.
>>I can't believe that we are spending so much time talking about
>>peeing. ROFLMAOOO
>
>I'm talking about one little part of being healthy. Peeing while
>diving is just how we got here.
Yes.
>>Also, you mentioned your suit in another post and I neglected to
>>reply to that.... Perhaps your suit is made of a material that is
>>more easily washed out?
>
>Definitely true. The lining in the Henderson Gold line of wetsuits
>(there are several similar linings by competitors) aren't made of
>fabric like a "normal" wetsuit. Instead, it looks like a kind of
>rubber sprayed directly onto the neoprene. This lining does not
>absorb water and rinses clean.
Oh ? The inside is a rubber-like material ? That's different. I
should go take a look at the newer suits. I hear that the new
materials are very good for holding in heat and so you can get away
with a thinner suit but still enjoy the same protection. Does this
rubber lining make it more difficult to get off ?
>
>>Mine is old and I think it is more resistant to rinsings. :(
>
>Any "normal" wetsuit with the nylon lining will take some effort
>to rinse out. I believe I remember you saying that your wetsuit
>has a fleece interior, which would retain even more water and be
>even more difficult to rinse out.
It's not fleece. It's more like a velour. (sp ?) It is
plush...yes...and so it is difficult to rinse out and takes longer to
dry also.
>>>It is my goal to be properly hydrated *during* a dive, so unless the
>>>water I'm swimming in is potable (Aquarena Springs is cleaner than my
>>>tap water), I will probably be drinking fluids right up to the day's
>>>first dive and in the surface interval between dives.
>>
>>I don't do this at all.
>
>Well, I'd say that you're probably in the majority. I don't know of
>many people who make even the slightest effort to avoid dehydration,
>even among scuba divers. The stresses on your body from dehydration
>aren't all that obvious: you breathe a little harder when carrying the
>box up the stairs, you increase your risk of DCS a few percent, you
>take a *lot* longer to get over the hangover the next day, etc. I
>choose to deliberately buck the majority in this case and take some
>care to be properly hydrated as much as possible.
Admirable on your part Ross.
>I do think that you'd be a little (not a lot) healthier and feel a
>little better all the time if you paid more attention to being
>properly hydrated. I'd suggest doing some research on the topic, and
>I'm sorry that I don't have any references to pass along (perhaps Doc
>Taylor can help me out), but the two big indicators of being properly
>hydrated is that you are not thirsty (being thirsty is pretty far
>along the dehydration scale) and during the day you pee clear. In the
>morning, you're going to pee yellow no matter what. Also, be aware
>that B vitamin suppliments will make you pee bright yellow so if you
>take a daily multivitamin that contains lots of B complexes, you'll
>pee neon yellow even when you're properly hydrated.
I know that you're right about proper hydration. I also know about
meds changing color of urine because we see alot of that as nurses.
Vitamin C will make your urine more yellow also. Certain antibiotics
can give it a brownish cast. Pyridium is a med that is given for
bladder infections and after surgeries to cut down bladder spasms and
it turns the urine a very bright orange. Once, we had really
tremendous red beets from our garden and I love them so I ate more
than my quota at dinner. My pee was reddish and looked like it had
blood in it. I was frightened and went to the doctor...not realizing
that it was the beets. LOL
>
>[...snip...]
>
>>>I'm going to continue peeing in my wetsuit and my buddies will be
>>>none the wiser.
>
>>You hope they are none the wiser.
>
>My wetsuit still smells strongly of neoprene. Nothing else. I've
>even asked if people could tell and most insist that I am lying (one
>of my buddies still doesn't believe me).
Hey....that works !! <g>
>
>>Ever catch a whiff of someone who peed before they got back into the
>>boat? It isn't pleasant.
>
>I can believe it. One time I did wear a different bathing suit under
>the wetsuit and the result wasn't very enjoyable. My normal scuba
>bathing suit is a pair of compression shorts (looks like a speedo with
>legs) that rinse out very easily. On that day I wore a more typical
>pair of swim trunks and I ended up swimming around for a while to get
>the smell out.
I wear my suit and a dive skin under mine. Some ppl I know don't wear
anything underneath....they like that "free feeling." Hahahaha
>
>>>Unless there's some really hot chick to talk about, but the
>>>conversation ends once the bathroom is reached and starts again upon
>>>exit...
>>
>>Then you guys go to the head together ?? I didn't think yas did
>>that. <g>
>
>A trip to the head can be a convenient excuse for a conversation away
>from your date, and occasionally there is good enough motivation for
>it. I've never asked a guy to go to the bathroom, but sometimes eye
>signals can work to get the point across that I need to say something
>that I can't say in present company...
I see. I learned something then. I thought only us gals did that.
<g>
OldSalt
wrote and since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see
it:
>And thus you win "The Laugh of the Day Award" !
>Perfectly done !
Thank you. I will covet it.
chilly
something you'd like to tell us? ;^)
Brian Wagner <bwa...@mr.marconimed.com> wrote:
>Sometimes a sexual fetish involves feeling bad, or downright
painful.
>
>
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OldSalt
<iainm...@btinternet.com> wrote and since I have Supernews, it's
amazing that I could even see it:
>Depends on the solute concentration. If you're using isotonic drinks (eg
>oral rehydration salts made up in the correct volume), fluid uptake is much
>more rapid. IOW, the efficiacy of fluid uptake is related to what you are
>drinking. Nonetheless, as you say, it is sensible to start pre-hydration at
>least 24 hours before a dive.
>
><off topic, on treating dehydration>
>[In an emergency, oral rehydration solutions can be improvised with a pint
>of water containing a pinch of sugar and a pinch of salt - sodium/glucose
>cotransport in the stomach increase the rate of sodium uptake. Chloride ions
>follow sodium ions, and water follows NaCl. I understand that warm, flat
>Coke is also a useful alternative]
></off topic>
Thanks for that bit of info Iain. Haven't seen much of you lately....
hope all is well. :)
OldSalt
since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see it:
>Pro-pee group, I'm so proud...
And you should be. LOL
>It is useless. From what I've read in this thread (I have skipped a
>few posts), most people have just said that if you are well hydrated
>that it won't stink. As for the absolute *need* to pee in their
>wet suits because of hydrating I don't think that's really true. I
>think if you get right down to it those of us in the pro-pee group
>just like to do it, not really a need at all. YMMV.
I think you're right.
>How much of the smell is just mildew from the ocean water? I'm
>sure urine doesn't help the situation at all but I think that if
>you are well hydrated this smell is minimized.
My suit doesn't smell like mildew though.
>Doesn't the smell gross you out on it? Why can't you wash your
>wet suit out the same way you do your bathing suit?
Well no...you can't because you're wetsuit traps water....and then
urine too. If you pee in your bathing suit, it's rinsed out as you
swim. I mean you can wash your wetsuit out when you get home...yes.
But that's after the fact.
>How does urine effect wetsuit? Does it really cause the material
>to deteriorate faster?
I don't know. But something tells me that the ammonia in urine can't
be good for your suit.
>Very funny...the most common is when people get something stuck in
>their teeth and stick their napkin in to retrieve it...or like we
>didn't all know that dentist are out to get us, what's up with that
>gauze and cotton stuff? YUCK!
LOL
OldSalt
wrote and since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see
it:
>From OldSalt
>" Added note : he doesn't pee in his wetsuit though. "
>
>And you know this how???
He told me. LOL It must be a "group thing" here because none of my
dive friends do either.
OldSalt
wrote and since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see
it:
>My personal observations, of which are several, are that urine does
>not damage wetsuits.
Ever see a rental one ? Better yet...ever smell a rental one ?
OldSalt
wrote and since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see
it:
> A select few of us, as usual, took "animalistic" as a complement, of course.
>:-)
I see this. That testosterone is awfully strong stuff. LOL
> There's two types of divers, those who piss in their wetsuits, and those who
>lie about it...(that's an old saying, just humor!)
<g>
OldSalt
<slarson...@home.com.invalid> wrote and since I have Supernews,
it's amazing that I could even see it:
>Salty: Perhaps where you dive, you don't feel the need to keep
>pouring water down your throat throughout the day. Considering
>your preference not to pee in the suit, a little dehydration
>seems to suit you (whether its good for you or not, well...)
>But what would you do if you were diving in the Caribbean or SE
>Asia and the air temp was 85-105 degrees F? and you left the
>dock at 6 a.m. and didn't return from open ocean until 6 p.m.?
>Would you still be inclined to restrict fluid intake?
You're right...I would be drinking more.
>Myself, I'd prefer not to pee in my suit, but I stay well
>hydrated (or attempt to) and for me, the reflex is very
>powerful. Therefore, holding it is rarely an option. I just
>rinse very, very thoroughly. My apologies to any dive buddies
>and boat mates (past & future) that have been offended by my
>aroma.
>
>(P.S. regarding that new 15 pounds you were talking about.
>Increase your daily water intake and I'll bet you'll be
>surprised at the results.)
Yes. Decreasing my beer and wine intake and increasing my exercise
wouldn't hurt either. LOL
OldSalt
it:
>Very true. After I retired I developed ... well... a fuller figure. My doc
>suggested I up my water intake, as I basically drank very little. I lost a
>noticeable amount of lard just from doing this. I'm now a very lithe 118kg.
I think getting older just makes ya put on the pounds.. or kilos. I
wish I could eat like I did as a teen. :)
>
>Wombat
>
>PS Oldsalt have you thought about a crotch-less wetsuit. Pee all you like
>and no smell. ........now where are those scissors?
ROFLMAOOOOOO !! You stay away from me with those scissors !!!
<laughing hard>
OldSalt
<bwa...@mr.marconimed.com> wrote and since I have Supernews, it's
amazing that I could even see it:
>Oldsalt and crotchless in the same sentence - don't get me started!
Oh geeze...and you've behaving so nice lately too. <g> Then again,
you have hit upon a whole new marketing field.... black lace wetsuits
that come with a whip and spiked-heel booties. ROFLMAOOOO
OldSalt
<m...@tikacanoe.on.ca> wrote and since I have Supernews, it's amazing
that I could even see it:
>Oui. Damn. I guess we should be put into someone's killfile, just to
>teach us a lesson we'd never forget.
We probably already are. LOL
>Yes, but for training purposes only.
Beer for training purposes only ? Sounds like a WC Fields line.
>I dive fresh, cold water and my body's thermostat is set pretty high,
>so the booties develop quite a rare and distinctive aroma. Does salt
>water make any difference in bootie aroma?
I don't know. I've never had a problem with mine....salt or fresh
water. Maybe try spraying your feet with some Dr Scholls foot spray
or even deodorant that you'd use under your arms. If ppl do that to
control odors in their sneaks then why not for booties too ?
>I drink a lot during a dive as well, even though I usually don't feel
>like it. That's another positive for the beer training.
I suspect that you could find a positive for beer training in just
about anything. Hahahaha You drink Moosehead, ey ? :)
OldSalt
<slarson...@home.com.invalid> wrote and since I have Supernews,
it's amazing that I could even see it:
>Sounds like you know what you are talking about. Do you have
>something you'd like to tell us? ;^)
ROFLMAOOOOOOOOOO
chilly
but that rye and coke....well, nuff said.
OldSalt <chi...@sent.net> wrote:
>
>Yes. Decreasing my beer and wine intake and increasing my
exercise
>wouldn't hurt either. LOL
>
>
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Scuba-Chin
chilly <slarson...@home.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:0108ecac...@usw-ex0104-087.remarq.com...
> Sounds like you know what you are talking about. Do you have
> something you'd like to tell us? ;^)
SMACK! ROFLMAO!
Jenn
Bob Crownfield
>
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:43:04 GMT, Brian Wagner
> amazing that I could even see it:
>
>
> Oh geeze...and you've behaving so nice lately too. <g> Then again,
> you have hit upon a whole new marketing field.... black lace wetsuits
> that come with a whip and spiked-heel booties. ROFLMAOOOO
you forgot all the cutouts !
Caryn Zeier
: On 18 Jul 2000 23:29:54 GMT, ze...@fc.hp.com (Caryn Zeier) wrote and
: since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see it:
: >How much of the smell is just mildew from the ocean water? I'm
: >sure urine doesn't help the situation at all but I think that if
: >you are well hydrated this smell is minimized.
: My suit doesn't smell like mildew though.
Really? I don't know if mildew is really the right explanation
but the I've always assumed that everyones wetsuits don't have
the most pleasant smell....maybe all my buddies have always
been in the pro-pee group =)
: >Doesn't the smell gross you out on it? Why can't you wash your
: >wet suit out the same way you do your bathing suit?
: Well no...you can't because you're wetsuit traps water....and then
: urine too. If you pee in your bathing suit, it's rinsed out as you
: swim. I mean you can wash your wetsuit out when you get home...yes.
: But that's after the fact.
I wash my wetsuit out with fresh water after each day of diving.
There is no urine smell on the wetsuit afterward.
: >How does urine effect wetsuit? Does it really cause the material
: >to deteriorate faster?
: I don't know. But something tells me that the ammonia in urine can't
: be good for your suit.
I wonder how much ammonia really remains after both diving and
rinsing of the wet suit. I would argue that it's very minimal
and would not damage the wet suit.
Caryn
OldSalt
<slarson...@home.com.invalid> wrote and since I have Supernews,
it's amazing that I could even see it:
>Hee, hee, wouldn't hurt me a bit either, well I don't drink beer
>but that rye and coke....well, nuff said.
Ahhh.... it's actually the margaritas that I really enjoy in the
summer. Something about them and barbequed food... yum !!
OldSalt
<m...@tikacanoe.on.ca> wrote and since I have Supernews, it's amazing
that I could even see it:
>Good ol' WC. He's my hero.
He was very funny...esp teamed up with Mae West. They made some
pretty risque comments in movies considering their time.
>I just use Sink-the-Stink occasionally. They're not so bad once
>they've dried out. Given my tendency to overheat, I suit up quickly
>and I really need to get into the water ASAP, and that may also be a
>problem with me sweating in my booties. But it seems that many of us
>around here have the same smelly odour from their booties -- maybe
>it's that "water" from the St Lawrence.
I don't know this Sink-the Stink product. I've just used clothes
detergent or dish soap. I think blaming it on the water in the St
Lawrence is a fine idea. <grin>
>Moosehead? That's for the plebes. I prefer Smithwick's,
>Boddington's, Kilkenny or my own brew I make at a brew-yer-own shop.
>Nothing but the best for my kidneys.
Haven't even heard of those....but then again I'm not a beer expert.
There's a shop not far from here that sells brew supplies and they do
alright. My mom used to make wine from grape juice long ago...it was
nasty stuff.
>So why are you running around the ng today apologising to everyone?
>Ya gotta be feisty and combative on this here group.
Well not everyone...just Phil and Black for calling them flaming. I
started off being combative here. Guess I've mellowed....or I'm just
going insane. :)
OldSalt
since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see it:
>Really? I don't know if mildew is really the right explanation
>but the I've always assumed that everyones wetsuits don't have
>the most pleasant smell....maybe all my buddies have always
>been in the pro-pee group =)
Hehehehe. No...mine has a neutral smell actually. It hangs in the
attic when not being used and the attic is ventilated but hot in the
summer so I think it must bake up there. LOL
>I wash my wetsuit out with fresh water after each day of diving.
>There is no urine smell on the wetsuit afterward.
Me too. <g>
>I wonder how much ammonia really remains after both diving and
>rinsing of the wet suit. I would argue that it's very minimal
>and would not damage the wet suit.
You might be right. I honestly don't know.
OldSalt
wrote and since I have Supernews, it's amazing that I could even see
it:
>OldSalt wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:43:04 GMT, Brian Wagner
>> <bwa...@mr.marconimed.com> wrote and since I have Supernews, it's
>> amazing that I could even see it:
>>
>> >Oldsalt and crotchless in the same sentence - don't get me started!
>>
>> Oh geeze...and you've behaving so nice lately too. <g> Then again,
>> you have hit upon a whole new marketing field.... black lace wetsuits
>> that come with a whip and spiked-heel booties. ROFLMAOOOO
>
>you forgot all the cutouts !
Well they would have to be an optional feature at an extra charge of
course. Yep...right along with zippers in "strategic places",
leather wetsuit, see- through material, fur lining, etc. I'm just
wondering... how does one get their fins over spiked-heel booties
though. I think we need an engineer for that problem. <very evil
grin>
Dan Bracuk
booties though. I think we need an engineer for that problem. <very
evil grin > "
You don't need an engineer. You need a stroke.
Open foot fins, QD straps.
Dan Bracuk
Toronto, Canada
It's bad luck to be superstitious.
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