tipping the dive instructor
Ken Teleis
only one who signed up, the LDS agreed to do it one-on-one (there was a
small additional fee since they have to pay to use the pool).
My question is whether or not I should or need to tip the instructor?
If I were at a resort or on a dive or even snorkel boat (in tourist mode), I
certainly would tip the crew, but don't really know the protocol for a local
dive instructor.
Any help would be appreciated. Also and suggested tip amounts...
Thanks..
Firat Ataman
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them out for a beer and pizza after the class.
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> My classroom and confined water class is this weekend and since I am the
> only one who signed up, the LDS agreed to do it one-on-one (there was a
> small additional fee since they have to pay to use the pool).
> My question is whether or not I should or need to tip the instructor?or,
Jammer Six
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€ My question is whether or not I should or need to tip the instructor?
Not if he's PADI or NAUI.
They already make more than they're worth.
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Firewalker
also paying more for the one-on-one. If you want to pay more, that's up to
you.
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So tell me, why do you want to pay someone for doing a job they just
got paid for?
Pete S.
Scubadooo
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> No, I wouldn't "tip" the instructor, but you might offer to take
> them out for a beer and pizza after the class.
If it was me, I would rather have Jack Daniels and wings.
Lee Bell
> > only one who signed up, the LDS agreed to do it one-on-one (there was a
> > small additional fee since they have to pay to use the pool).
> > My question is whether or not I should or need to tip the instructor?
I wish you wouldn't. Tipping has become a standard all over the place.
Instead of charging a reasonable fee for services, workers are underpaid and
the customer is expected to make up the difference. Gone are the days when
a waitress got a tip for particularly good service. These days, tips are
expected even for minimal service. It's a scam that we've perpetrated on
ourselves.
If you did not tip your grade school teacher and did not tip your college
professor, why would you tip your dive instructor? If you want to show
appreciation for personal service, do it with a personal gesture. Buy your
instructor a drink after class or, if you're really appreciative, buy his
lunch. Don't help the industry adjust to include tips as part of the
employee's compensation program. Dive instructors should be compensated by
the employer. It is up to the instructor and shop to negotiate a reasonable
salary. If they won't do it, it's not up to me to bridge the gap.
Lee
Airhog
>If it was me, I would rather have Jack Daniels and wings.
When is your next class?
>
>
Airhog
>Not if he's PADI or NAUI.
>
>They already make more than they're worth.
Hammer. Meet nail.
AirHog
Please don't - you're not fit to make the GUE coffee.
-JimG
Fredric Altman
>So tell me, why do you want to pay someone for doing a job they just
>got paid for?
>
So, you don't tip anyone? Not even a dive boat crew that was helpful
and made the trip more fun and enjoyable? I don't know about the
specific instructor in question, but these guys teach because they
like to, not for the money. Dive instructors don't make a lot of
money, especially for just one student. If the guy was a deadhead,
just going through the motions, don't tip, if he made the class fun
and you felt like he was interested in you learning the material, tip
him. Believe me, this is not a high pay career.
Fredric Altman
wrote:
>Any help would be appreciated. Also and suggested tip amounts...
>Thanks..
>
I'm surprised at all the no-tip responses, or maybe not, most divers
are notorious non tippers. They will tip a waitress for poor service,
but not a great dive crew that literally holds their lives in their
hands. If the instructor did a good job and you felt like he was
interested in your learning and made the course fun, tip him. $20/50,
don't buy him lunch or drinks, just give him the money, he'll be lucky
to be making $10 an hour.
Airhog
>are notorious non tippers.
Not in my experience. We tend to tip well and more often for poor service
on boats.
>but not a great dive crew that literally holds their lives in their
>hands.
Fred--Put the CRACK pipe down. The only thing the dive crew holds of mine
in their hands is my tanks they can load for me. I would rather tip them
and tell them to sit down, shut up and keep away from my gear in order to
protect their monkey asses from getting tossed overboard. You have no
business on a dive boat if you are entrusting the boat monkeys to hold your
life in their hands. I pay DM's to stay the fuck away from me.
> If the instructor did a good job and you felt like he was
>interested in your learning and made the course fun, tip him. $20/50,
Odds are you just paid for the jackass's trip and diving--give him more
money. I guess so....Bill Gates.
>don't buy him lunch or drinks, just give him the money, he'll be lucky
>to be making $10 an hour.
And as covered before -that is over paying most of them. Let them go wait
tables if they want a better rewarding career. Or do it the GUE way- have
training that is worth the cost and charge a reasonable fee.
AirHog
Fredric Altman
wrote:
>Not in my experience. We tend to tip well and more often for poor service
>on boats.
Some do, most don't, ask any dive boat crew. If you tip, I'm sure it
is appreciated, but please don't tip for poor service.
>>but not a great dive crew that literally holds their lives in their
>>hands.
Let me see, these are the people that have to maintain the automatic
bilge pumps, the manual bilge pumps, the life jackets, the throw
rings, the life rafts, the epirbs, the water lights, the ground
tackle, the through-hull fittings and hoses, the oxygen delivery
system, the oxygen bottle, the first aid kit, the VHF radio, they have
to be trained in CPR, they have to be current in CPR, they have to be
versed and trained in emergency procedures, they have to be trained in
first aid, they must be aware of any potential local help for an
emergency, the have to be aware of signs and symptoms of diving
injuries, they are resposible for making sure your sorry ass gets back
to the dock safely, they must be aware of unsafe boats operating in
their vicinity and able to respond to that threat to you, they are
trained and ready to do rescues. I've seen them save many a life.
There is the occasional monkey working on a dive boat, but the vast
majority are not monkeys and don't deserve your insult.
>
>Fred--Put the CRACK pipe down. The only thing the dive crew holds of mine
>in their hands is my tanks they can load for me. I would rather tip them
>and tell them to sit down, shut up and keep away from my gear in order to
>protect their monkey asses from getting tossed overboard. You have no
>business on a dive boat if you are entrusting the boat monkeys to hold your
>life in their hands. I pay DM's to stay the fuck away from me.
>
>> If the instructor did a good job and you felt like he was
>>interested in your learning and made the course fun, tip him. $20/50,
>
>Odds are you just paid for the jackass's trip and diving--give him more
>money. I guess so....Bill Gates.
Instructors are jackasses? Paying for their dive trip? They may enjoy
diving, but it is still work. Their idea of a dive trip does not
include students.
Chris Guynn
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|
| Instructors are jackasses? Paying for their dive trip? They may enjoy
| diving, but it is still work. Their idea of a dive trip does not
| include students.
|
|
Actually, my instructors idea of a dive trip does exactly that. He will
take a group of AOW divers somewhere (cun, coz, belize, wherever he wants to
go). They (by means of their fees for the trip) pay for him to go. He has
a great time, does some amazing diving, and still teaches all the students
everything they need to know for the class. It's a win-win situation.
Then, he tries to set up other dives for these same students to go on with
him (again, trying to get them to pay a little extra and cover his portion).
I will say though that negotiations between him and the owner of the LDS are
probably rather easy.
Instructor: "Self, I'd like to go on a trip to <<insert dive location
here>>".
Owner: "Hey, that sounds like a good idea, how much will it cost and how
much extra will we have to charge to be able to go for free?"
Instructor: "I think we can probably get about x many people to go, so if
each of them pays $Y extra, my trip is covered."
Owner: "Will the shop make any money off of this?"
Instructor: "Probably not"
Owner: "Darn, maybe next time..."
Scubadooo
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>
> >If it was me, I would rather have Jack Daniels and wings.
>
>
> When is your next class?
>
class. Or so my wife says...
Did I forget to mention why husbands usaully die before their wives?
Because they want to ...
Fredric Altman
<chris...@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net> wrote:
>
>Actually, my instructors idea of a dive trip does exactly that.
These guys/girls do generally have fun with their work, that's part of
why they do the job, they don't get rich. We are in a resort area, so
my instructors don't do the sort of trips that you describe. I'm sure
they would like to, maybe it would be a little less like work to be in
an exotic location.
Den73740
>From: Fredric Altman
>Let me see, these are the people that have to maintain the automatic
>bilge pumps, the manual bilge pumps, the life jackets, the throw
>rings, the life rafts, the epirbs, the water lights, the ground
>tackle, the through-hull fittings and hoses, the oxygen delivery
>system, the oxygen bottle, the first aid kit, the VHF radio, they have
>to be trained in CPR, they have to be current in CPR, they have to be
>versed and trained in emergency procedures, they have to be trained in
>first aid, they must be aware of any potential local help for an
>emergency, the have to be aware of signs and symptoms of diving
>injuries, they are resposible for making sure your sorry ass gets back
>to the dock safely, they must be aware of unsafe boats operating in
>their vicinity and able to respond to that threat to you, they are
>trained and ready to do rescues. I've seen them save many a life.
>There is the occasional monkey working on a dive boat, but the vast
>majority are not monkeys and don't deserve your insult.
What does the company that employs them think they're worth.
Ya pay peanuts ya get monkeys
Dennis
Jim.Gr...@cc.gatech.edu
>
>Did I forget to mention why husbands usaully die before their wives?
>Because they want to ...
Or maybe because their wives want them to ...
-JimG
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AirHog
> is appreciated, but please don't tip for poor service.
Agreed.
> There is the occasional monkey working on a dive boat, but the vast
majority are not monkeys and don't deserve your insult.
I would flip flop that. Most do deserve my insult, few do not.
>Instructors are jackasses? Paying for their dive trip? They may enjoy
>diving, but it is still work. Their idea of a dive trip does not
>include students.
Again, see above. Yes most are jackasses. Most suck. Most I have ever met
only do it for the chance to take the trips with the students. Of course,
that is they only do it to allow the students to pay for their diving. Two
steps above a homeless, flea infested, crack addict--most are.
Just ahead of course, of the typical LDS owner/monkey. He does not even
make it a half step above the homeless crack addict .
AirHog
--
"Shit in your hat and wear it."
Popeye--TPIAA
Unknown
No, I don't tip anyone. Why should I? They must be working for a price
they are happy to work for or they wouldn't do it.
Surely making the customers happy is part of the job? If they don't do
that, go somewhere else.
Pete S.
Greg Mossman
> And as covered before -that is over paying most of them. Let them go wait
> tables if they want a better rewarding career. Or do it the GUE way- have
> training that is worth the cost and charge a reasonable fee.
Fifth Dimension charges $179.95 for their open water class, which I
understand is DIR based. Any idea what the GUE open water course is slated
to cost?
AirHog
> understand is DIR based. Any idea what the GUE open water course is
> slated to cost?
I was actually refering to the DIR-F and above classes but you have a good
point.
I haven't heard anymore about prospect of the GUE OW class since MHK
mentioned it months ago...
Fishbre396
>No, I don't tip anyone. Why should I? They must be working for a price
>they are happy to work for or they wouldn't do it.
I agree, and I'm tired of hearing about the DM's BEGGING for tips!
Fishbre396
den7...@aol.comspamdump (Den73740) writes:
>What does the company that employs them think they're worth.
>
>Ya pay peanuts ya get monkeys
>
Exactly!!! If they aren't smart enough to realize that what they earn isn't
enough to live on, then they don't deserve to get tips!
Nitespark
Pete S. wrote:
>>
>
> No, I don't tip anyone. Why should I? They must be working for a price
> they are happy to work for or they wouldn't do it.
>
> Surely making the customers happy is part of the job? If they don't do
> that, go somewhere else.
You will probably want to steer clear of Lynn Haven Dive Center boats in
Virginia Beach then. The mates work for tips only.
Unknown
So the scenario is:-
I charter the boat operator to go out diving. I pay the dive operator
for this service. They supply the boat, with enough crew to carry out
the task that the operator has been paid to perform.
So I've already paid all that I need to. If the mates are truly
required, then they should be paid by the charter operator, not by me
as an "add on".
And as for not going on boats where the crew don't get paid? It's not
my problem, they must be stupid to work for nothing.
Pete S.
Popeye
>No, I don't tip anyone. Why should I? They must be working for a price
>they are happy to work for or they wouldn't do it.
>
>Surely making the customers happy is part of the job? If they don't do
>that, go somewhere else.
>
>Pete S.
Skinflint.
Popeye
Any idea how Iraq got those French weapons?
"If you do, tell it to the UN (whom I think should investigate this
and take sanctions where necessary)" Michael Wolf
Nitespark
Not my problem either. I am sure that after awhile when they learn you
don't tip your service will reflect accordingly from the crew.
I went out with them one night and they are not shy about it at all.
Big plastic jug cable-tied to the ladder leading to the bridge labeled,
"Mate Tip". The captain told us outright, "The mate works for tips
only" and on the way back in, he started singing (to the William Tell
Overture music), "Tip the Mate, Tip the Mate, Tip the Mate, Mate, Mate".
That was a bit much for me.
Every dive boat I have been on, the group tipped the crew.
Do you tip waiters or waitresses in a restaurant???? Just curious.
Lee Bell
> You will probably want to steer clear of Lynn Haven Dive Center boats in
> Virginia Beach then. The mates work for tips only.
I guess it depends on what it is you want the mates to do for you. I pay
for a trip and for information on the dive site when I get there. I don't
pay for pampering. I don't want somebody setting up my equipment for me or
carrying it around. Any help I might expect is the kind of thing that any
diver would be likely to do for any other, but I don't depend on it.
On the other hand, there are those that want more attention, even to the
point where they want to be guided and/or monitored during a dive. Those
that want or need a guide should pay to have one. The price should be
negotiated and agreed to before the boat leaves the dock. On a dive where a
guide is necessary, and there are some dives like that, the cost should be
factored into the price of the trip. In neither case should a DM, mate, or
anybody else have to depend on tips for a living any more than the customers
should feel obligated to pay extra for service which is part of what they
have already paid for.
Lee
Jammer Six
<""nitespark\"@no...@m-cox.net> wrote:
€ You will probably want to steer clear of Lynn Haven Dive Center boats in
€ Virginia Beach then. The mates work for tips only.
Since the best boats in the business either pay a good wage (Jud bought
her first house last year, and is studying for her Mate's ticket) or
don't bother with DM's or crew, (Topline), that's probably true.
Let us know when you're ready for a professionally run boat.
They'll be there.
Your mate is being paid exactly what he's worth.
--
"We're going to rush the hijackers."
-Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001
Unknown
>>No, I don't tip anyone. Why should I? They must be working for a price
>>they are happy to work for or they wouldn't do it.
>>
>>Surely making the customers happy is part of the job? If they don't do
>>that, go somewhere else.
>>
> Skinflint.
No, I pay a good price for a charter. I do not expect to pay any
"extras".
Pete S.
Fiona Watson
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>>From: (Pete S.)
>
>>No, I don't tip anyone. Why should I? They must be working for a price
>>they are happy to work for or they wouldn't do it.
>
>
No, just a cultural thing, in the UK boats will usually only have a skipper
and one crew member, who is paid by the boat. He is there for safety, not
to mollycoddle the divers or hold their hand. The dive site will be chosen
in advance and any briefing given by the skipper. You put your own kit on
board, sort it out etc etc. The crew are very often not divers themselves
and will often also have a skippers ticket. I'd be unlikely to dive from a
boat with a non-paid crew.
Locally we charter the boat and skipper and crew it ourselves
Often the crew will live onboard for the season, and we'll usually buy his
beer and possibly barmeal.
Unknown
If the Captain was so concerned about the mates earnings then the
Captain should pay them.
>Every dive boat I have been on, the group tipped the crew.
So you paid twice?
>Do you tip waiters or waitresses in a restaurant???? Just curious.
No. They are employed by the restaurant.
Back to my previous comment about employees working for a rate they
are happy with. This whole tips thing seems to be promoted by the
employers to remove the need for them to give the employee sufficient
remuneration for the work being carried out.
But I am also curious. What service do the boat "crew" provide that
you can't do yourself?
Now if they were to go and do the dive for you and come back and tell
you that you what a great dive it was and did you want to go again,
then that would be good service.
I have a picture in my mind of one DM with 12 sets of kit on
decompressing after a 90m dive....... of course he'd have multiple
redundancy..... It certainly removes my need for dive planning, and
reduces my DCS risk to something insignificant.
But till then........
Pete S.
Capt Jim Wyatt
> Fred--Put the CRACK pipe down. The only thing the dive crew holds of
> mine in their hands is my tanks they can load for me. I would rather
> tip them and tell them to sit down, shut up and keep away from my gear
> in order to protect their monkey asses from getting tossed overboard.
> You have no business on a dive boat if you are entrusting the boat
> monkeys to hold your life in their hands. I pay DM's to stay the fuck
> away from me.
>
> Odds are you just paid for the jackass's trip and diving--give him
> more money. I guess so....Bill Gates.
> AirHog
As usual Mick you have turned an informative and interesting thread into an
argument..you are a master at that!
Dive boat crews do hold your life in their hands. You need the crew to be
experienced enough to know several things such as (1) Is the boat seaworthy
enough to leave the dock (2) Is the weather & sea state appropriate to
leave the dock (3) Are conditions at the dive site safe? (4) Have they
properly accounted for you and the rest of the passengers? Some do leave
divers behind at sea. (5) Are the crew members adequately prepared to help
you should you need help, divers do get into trouble sometimes. There are
other issues as well..the list is long.
It is certainly a personal choice regarding tipping. My wife and I tip 20%
in restaurants for good service. We tip more for exceptional service, and
nothing for poor service. Its rewarding for us when we go back to the
restaurant we are treated better than the other patrons. I like the
pampering. We feel that we have been fortunate in our lives & enjoy
spreading the wealth.
Life is too short to drink the "House Wine".
As far as tipping the boat crew it certainly should not be a requirement.
Crew who work for tips only should re-evaluate their employment. Employers
who do not pay crew should read & heed lee Bells' comments. I pay my crew a
good wage per trip. I expect them to pamper the divers on my boat. I expect
them to be friendly, helpful, and prepared. I tell them "you may get a tip
for exceptional service". Frequently the mates here get very generous tips.
Often they are not tipped at all.
As an instructor I have been tipped many times. $50-$100 tips not being
unusual. I think the best tip I ever got was $300. (one good tip was to buy
stock in HCA..that one paid well) More times than not I am not tipped as an
instructor. Either way works for me. *IF* an instructor is working for tips
they also should re-evaluate their employment.
--
Captain Jim Wyatt
PADI Master Instructor #4612
Florida Keys Reef-Divers, Inc.
www.reef-divers.com
Jason
> No, I don't tip anyone. Why should I? They must be working for a price
> they are happy to work for or they wouldn't do it.
So you don't tip the boat crew in the Maldives then? Or your room boy?
Jason
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the wreck of the President Coolidge in Santo, Vanuatu
Steve
I guess our softer cousins need a bit more help.
Could it be all that PADI training?
Steve
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> You will probably want to steer clear of Lynn Haven Dive Center boats in
> Virginia Beach then. The mates work for tips only.
I met Cathy Read recently. Are they such slave drivers? She seemed like a
nice woman.
Popeye
<nothing as usual>
>"Fiona Watson" <fiona....@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
>> No, just a cultural thing, in the UK boats will usually only have a
>skipper
>> and one crew member, who is paid by the boat. He is there for safety, not
>> to mollycoddle the divers or hold their hand. The dive site will be chosen
>> in advance and any briefing given by the skipper. You put your own kit on
>> board, sort it out etc etc.
Same here. I haul my own tanks, set up my own gear. The MD guides a dive that
I usually don't participate in.
I tip, 5 bucks a dive. I've done his job, and know how annoying and thankless
it is.
I mean, what if Jimmy Dyslexic and StupidLyingSteve were on the boat, you'd
have to follow them around....
Fredric Altman
>
>>Do you tip waiters or waitresses in a restaurant???? Just curious.
>
>No. They are employed by the restaurant.
>
Waiters and waitresses are a special case in the Fair Labor Standards
Act. Minimum hourly wage for "tipped employees" is $2.13 an hour, the
assumption is that they WILL be tipped.
Fredric Altman
> I tip, 5 bucks a dive. I've done his job, and know how annoying and thankless
>it is.
I'll bet it was appreciated and if you are a regular on the boat, it
can make a subtle difference on how you are treated. Then again, not
every dive crew deserves a tip, there is the occasional jerk that
needs to be fired.
Fredric Altman
wrote:
> In neither case should a DM, mate, or
>anybody else have to depend on tips for a living any more than the customers
>should feel obligated to pay extra for service which is part of what they
>have already paid for.
>
how they live. There are differences from boat to boat and crew to
crew. A crew that could care less whether you needed help or had a
good time wouldn't get a tip from me, but one that was helpful and
attentive and cared for the quality of experience you had would.
Fredric Altman
<""nitespark\"@no...@m-cox.net> wrote:
>Not my problem either. I am sure that after awhile when they learn you
>don't tip your service will reflect accordingly from the crew.
>
The difference will probably be small and maybe unnoticeable. If you
have two groups on the boat, one that tips and one that does not, if
the group that tips wants to go to one dive site and the group that
does not wants to go to another, where will the boat go?
>I went out with them one night and they are not shy about it at all.
>Big plastic jug cable-tied to the ladder leading to the bridge labeled,
>"Mate Tip". The captain told us outright, "The mate works for tips
>only" and on the way back in, he started singing (to the William Tell
>Overture music), "Tip the Mate, Tip the Mate, Tip the Mate, Mate, Mate".
>That was a bit much for me.
>
I don't allow my crews to beg or mention tips at all. I do allow a tip
jar on the dash.
Fredric Altman
wrote:
>I agree, and I'm tired of hearing about the DM's BEGGING for tips!
I don't like that and don't allow it on my boats.
Fredric Altman
wrote:
>What does the company that employs them think they're worth.
>
>Ya pay peanuts ya get monkeys
>
The dive business is a tough way to make a profit and like most
businesses, wages is the only place where you have much control over
costs, so finding a balance is important. You don't want to pay too
little in the market you are in or you will lose good employees to
other shops, likewise overpaying is something no owners like to do.
Fiona Watson
Popeye wrote in message <20030426100658...@mb-m13.aol.com>...
> Same here. I haul my own tanks, set up my own gear. The MD guides a dive
that
>I usually don't participate in.
>
> I tip, 5 bucks a dive. I've done his job, and know how annoying and
thankless
>it is.
>
> I mean, what if Jimmy Dyslexic and StupidLyingSteve were on the boat,
you'd
>have to follow them around....
I guess, the big difference is probably how UK boats are run, maximum
charter is 12 divers. It isn't the crews job to haul/set up kit. If there
is a DM on board, he will be part of the charter, and what he does is up to
him, guided dives really are not very common. A crew would not touch anyones
kit, unless asked, and even its just to help clip on a stage or whatever.
Probably if I worked out the beer thing it would be rather more than $5/day
:)
At home there isn't a charter boat as such anyway, there's a boat we can
charter for diving, run by friends, nbut its not really a commercial thing.
Otherwise we just use our own ribs, or borrow one if its closer.
Popeye
>Date: 4/26/03 10:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <a37lavc8ipkmg73c1...@4ax.com>
I got 4 (8 dives) trips for free one year.
Between tipping, helping out, and being an exemplary ex-employee, they take
care of me.
Lee Bell
> I tip, 5 bucks a dive. I've done his job, and know how annoying and
thankless
> it is.
>
> I mean, what if Jimmy Dyslexic and StupidLyingSteve were on the boat,
you'd
> have to follow them around....
Well, then Jimmy and Stupid should be required to pay for the service they
get.
In fact, I often tip dive boat crew. I just feel don't feel obligated to.
While I don't look for a lot of attention, there are times when an attentive
crew member may help. If he/she does, I'm likely to show my appreciation
financially. It doesn't always have to be me that gets the help. There
have been instances where I noticed a mate I thought was doing things just
right, leaving divers alone, but alert to where his assistance was
appreciated. He or she may do nothing for me at all, but, instead, impress
me enough that I want to let him know in the most sincere way I can . . .
with money. Money should always be sincere and obligatory tipping is not.
Conversely, a mate who is not paying attention as divers are boarding,
particularly during lobster or spearfishing dives, will not be spending my
money later that day.
Lee
TonyP
> My classroom and confined water class is this weekend and since I am the
> only one who signed up, the LDS agreed to do it one-on-one (there was a
> small additional fee since they have to pay to use the pool).
> My question is whether or not I should or need to tip the instructor?
> If I were at a resort or on a dive or even snorkel boat (in tourist mode), I
> certainly would tip the crew, but don't really know the protocol for a local
> dive instructor.
I really didn't want to take up diving. It was a "gift" from my ex-wife.
Maybe, she thought that I would drown and she would collect my life
insurance. But being underwater in the ocean was one of my fears. The
DI did such a great job of working with me to overcome my fears (and
watching him work with others with the same problems) that I did tip
him. That was over 10 years ago. Plenty of diving since then.
As for boat crews, most here in NY don't get paid, but get to dive for
"free" during the surface intervals of the paid customers. They
basically help you lug your gear to the setup table and guide you to the
side of the boat and make sure that you get in the water ok. They do
get a tip.
Lee Bell
> But I am also curious. What service do the boat "crew" provide that
> you can't do yourself?
I use full foot fins, no straps. When I'm boarding the dive boat, it's good
to be able to hand them off to someone who'll make sure they're available
for the next dive. I can throw them aboard, but if I do, there's a risk
somebody will be standing where they land.
I spearfish on scuba. When I do, it's very nice to have somebody ready to
take my gun from me before I try to board. It's almost essential when the
boat is not anchored (normal for my spearfishing trips).
During lobster season, I usually have my snare and catch bag along. Getting
aboard is a lot safer if I can hand them off before boarding, particularly
if the bag is full.
Anything the mate does for me is more than I bargained for. Unless he does
something to offset his good deed, I'm likely to tip. Mates, beware. The
one thing that virtually guarantees I will not tip is lack of atttention to
the job at hand. If a mate is on the platform to help divers get aboard
safely, I expect him/her to be paying attention to the divers in the water.
Same thing goes for somebody whose job it is to keep a lookout for divers in
trouble.
Nitespark
Jammer Six wrote:
> In article <RXqqa.4277$XE.2...@news1.east.cox.net>, Nitespark
> <""nitespark\"@no...@m-cox.net> wrote:
>
> € You will probably want to steer clear of Lynn Haven Dive Center boats in
> € Virginia Beach then. The mates work for tips only.
>
> Since the best boats in the business either pay a good wage (Jud bought
> her first house last year, and is studying for her Mate's ticket) or
> don't bother with DM's or crew, (Topline), that's probably true.
>
> Let us know when you're ready for a professionally run boat.
>
> They'll be there.
>
> Your mate is being paid exactly what he's worth.
I have never had a problem with how the boats are run or the crews. You
are welcome to make your views known at http://www.ldcscuba.com.
I will dive with them again in the future.
>
Lee Bell
> Waiters and waitresses are a special case in the Fair Labor Standards
> Act. Minimum hourly wage for "tipped employees" is $2.13 an hour, the
> assumption is that they WILL be tipped.
The easy answer is, let whoever "assumed" that they would be tipped, do the
tipping. A more honest answer is that the standard of tipping waiters and
waitesses was established before I was around to object, so I tip.
This, of course, is a very unfair practice. Think about it. You go into
the local sandwhich shop where you spend $10 for lunch. You tip 20%, if
your generous or the waitress is attractive (sorry about the waiters).
That's $2.00. That night, you and your wife go out to dinner, spending $100
on dinner and drinks. Tipping the same 20%, you leave a $20 behind. Do you
suppose the dinner waitress worked 10 times harder or provided 10 times the
service?
Lee
Lee Bell
> They may not depend on tips for a living, but it makes a difference on
> how they live. There are differences from boat to boat and crew to
> crew. A crew that could care less whether you needed help or had a
> good time wouldn't get a tip from me, but one that was helpful and
> attentive and cared for the quality of experience you had would.
My tip to them makes a difference in how I live too. That's not much of a
standard. If, however, you believe it's a good one, feel free to send me a
check. I'm a public servant. I provide services to you every working day.
I've done pretty well, but I can always use a bit more, just to make a
difference in how I live. Cash or check are welcome. For 20%, I'll get
authorization to take credit cards. 8^)
Lee Bell
> So you don't tip the boat crew in the Maldives then? Or your room boy?
If, by room boy, you mean the person who makes the beds, leaves towels and
generally keeps the room clean, hell no, I don't tip them. Clean bed linen,
towels and a clean room are what I pay the business for. If I don't get
them, I'm going to stay someplace else the next time. I don't tip the
person they pay to bring them.
Nitespark
You should make your views known at http://www.ldcscuba.com.
> >
>>Every dive boat I have been on, the group tipped the crew.
>
>
> So you paid twice?
I factor it into the cost of diving. If the boat ride cost $50 without
the tip or the $60 with the tip included (i.e. the operator "paying" the
crew) what difference does it make??
The mate knowing that income is based soley on performance and
generosity is going to be more willing to go the extra mile to be helpful.
>
>>Do you tip waiters or waitresses in a restaurant???? Just curious.
>
>
> No. They are employed by the restaurant.
Wow.....I wouldn't be surprised if you got a little "extra protein" with
your meals at restaurants you normally go to.
>
> Back to my previous comment about employees working for a rate they
> are happy with. This whole tips thing seems to be promoted by the
> employers to remove the need for them to give the employee sufficient
> remuneration for the work being carried out.
>
> But I am also curious. What service do the boat "crew" provide that
> you can't do yourself?
The entire crew is providing me with transportation to the dive site.
Not just the Captain.
>
>
> I have a picture in my mind of one DM with 12 sets of kit on
> decompressing after a 90m dive....... of course he'd have multiple
> redundancy..... It certainly removes my need for dive planning, and
> reduces my DCS risk to something insignificant.
......and a waitress that eats all of the food that was ordered. You
never gain an ounce or have indigestion.
Nitespark
Don't know the folks personally there, other than on site when I
occasionally stop in the store or head out on the boat with them. There
didn't seem to be a contentious atomosphere amongst the employees and it
seems to me, their employee (including mates) have been there quite awhile.
Jason
> If, by room boy, you mean the person who makes the beds, leaves towels and
> generally keeps the room clean, hell no, I don't tip them. Clean bed linen,
Tipping is generally expected in the Maldives, but at a recommended level
of $5-10 a week for the room boy and the waiter, it's nowhere near the
ripoff levels of the US. For the boat crew, something in the region of $10
for 2 weeks diving suffices. I get the impression some people are tipping
that much per day. The DMs and instructors don't expect tips there.
Jason
--
http://www.scuba-addict.co.uk/ for Aussie diving reports including
Coral Bay, Rottnest Island, Dunsborough and Darwin
Fredric Altman
wrote:
>Anything the mate does for me is more than I bargained for. Unless he does
>something to offset his good deed, I'm likely to tip. Mates, beware. The
>one thing that virtually guarantees I will not tip is lack of atttention to
>the job at hand.
Well said.
Fredric Altman
wrote:
>Do you
>suppose the dinner waitress worked 10 times harder or provided 10 times the
>service?
>
Fredric Altman
<""nitespark\"@no...@m-cox.net> wrote:
>> No. They are employed by the restaurant.
>
>Wow.....I wouldn't be surprised if you got a little "extra protein" with
>your meals at restaurants you normally go to.
>
Had to laugh.
Jammer Six
<""nitespark\"@no...@m-cox.net> wrote:
€ I have never had a problem with how the boats are run or the crews.
A more accurate statement is "I don't know if..."
€ You are welcome to make your views known at http://www.ldcscuba.com.
You're too new to know how ridicules that sounds.
No one's interested. This is rec.scuba. If they wanted to know, they'd
be here.
--
"We're going to rush the hijackers."
-Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001
Jammer Six
Wyatt <J...@reef-divers.com> wrote:
€ Dive boat crews do hold your life in their hands. You need the crew to be
€ experienced enough to know several things such as (1) Is the boat seaworthy
€ enough to leave the dock (2) Is the weather & sea state appropriate to
€ leave the dock (3) Are conditions at the dive site safe? (4) Have they
€ properly accounted for you and the rest of the passengers? Some do leave
€ divers behind at sea. (5) Are the crew members adequately prepared to help
€ you should you need help, divers do get into trouble sometimes. There are
€ other issues as well..the list is long.
Those are only true if there's no captain.
Why doesn't is surprise me that you count on your crew to tell you when
it's safe to sail?
We are amused.
--
"C'mon, you sons of bitches, you want to live forever?"
-Sergeant Major Dan Daly
Nitespark
Jammer Six wrote:
> In article <ncyqa.6836$XE.3...@news1.east.cox.net>, Nitespark
> <""nitespark\"@no...@m-cox.net> wrote:
>
> € I have never had a problem with how the boats are run or the crews.
>
> A more accurate statement is "I don't know if..."
Not claiming to be a world renowned expert on the subject. Just
rendering an opinion on my experiences thus far.
>
> € You are welcome to make your views known at http://www.ldcscuba.com.
>
> You're too new to know how ridicules that sounds.
You seemed to have a problem with the way the operation was run. I
don't. I was merely providing you with a means to address the problem
directly. I fail to understand why that is "ridiculess".
>
> No one's interested. This is rec.scuba. If they wanted to know, they'd
> be here.
\
Maybe they don't read the newsgroup. Not every diver or dive operation
does. Why not just confront them directly and give them the benifit of
your experience and wisdom???
Chris Painter
> I have never had a problem with how the boats are run or the crews. You
> are welcome to make your views known at http://www.ldcscuba.com.
>
> I will dive with them again in the future.
>
very good impression of the dive shop OR the boat.
But then again your probably one of them stroke students chanting about XX
days until Super Dive Weekend.
Below are references to why I thought they sucked.
http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=pYtB8.13534%24n3.2033%40nwrddc01.gnilink.net
http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=EoGB8.4874%24_41.461%40nwrddc04.gnilink.net
Chris
Nitespark
Chris Painter wrote:
> "Nitespark" <""nitespark\"@no...@m-cox.net> wrote in message
> news:ncyqa.6836$XE.3...@news1.east.cox.net...
>
>>I have never had a problem with how the boats are run or the crews. You
>>are welcome to make your views known at http://www.ldcscuba.com.
>>
>>I will dive with them again in the future.
>>
>
> I tried diving the Miss Lauren last year. All I can say is I didn't get a
> very good impression of the dive shop OR the boat.
>
> But then again your probably one of them stroke students chanting about XX
> days until Super Dive Weekend.
The time I went out on the "Miss Lauren" was a night dive. Never been
to "Super Dive Weekend". I have been out on the "Miss Lindsey" on day
dives. There are a couple of wrecks I would like to dive, one being the
"Morgan".
>
> Below are references to why I thought they sucked.
>
> http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=pYtB8.13534%24n3.2033%40nwrddc01.gnilink.net
> http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=EoGB8.4874%24_41.461%40nwrddc04.gnilink.net
>
I guess the trick is to make sure you have a buddy with you that you
know and trust. When you go solo on a cattleboat, you are at the mercy
of the dive gods.
AirHog
> days until Super Dive Weekend.
>
Painter called someone a stroke.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
AirHog
--
"Shit in your hat and wear it."
Popeye--TPIAA
Alan Street
<mic...@tekdiveguy.com> wrote:
-> But then again your probably one of them stroke students chanting about XX
-> days until Super Dive Weekend.
->
-
-Painter called someone a stroke.
-
-Pot. Kettle. Black.
-
Didn't he mean in as a term of endearment?
John Francis
>In article <Xns936950B19EF90...@65.82.44.187>, Capt Jim
>Wyatt <J...@reef-divers.com> wrote:
>
>€ Dive boat crews do hold your life in their hands. You need the crew to be
>€ experienced enough to know several things such as (1) Is the boat seaworthy
>€ enough to leave the dock (2) Is the weather & sea state appropriate to
>€ leave the dock (3) Are conditions at the dive site safe? (4) Have they
>€ properly accounted for you and the rest of the passengers? Some do leave
>€ divers behind at sea. (5) Are the crew members adequately prepared to help
>€ you should you need help, divers do get into trouble sometimes. There are
>€ other issues as well..the list is long.
>
>Those are only true if there's no captain.
Did I misunderstand or is it true that there's no legal requirement to
have a fully qualified captain for those 6 packs so many of you say
are the only way to go. In the absence of a certified captain, who's
gonna make the decisions re weather and boat safety etc?
And if you get stupid and bend yerself by for instance, taking the
wrong unmarked bottle, of course you'll be happy to wait for the O2 to
come from the Captain who may well be busy with the boat handling
chores, rather than the trained deckhand who's there to catch you if
you fall as you exit the water.
>Why doesn't is surprise me that you count on your crew to tell you when
>it's safe to sail?
A sweeping assumption of Jammeresque proportions, and I thought you'd
be more understanding of the need to have competent staff on hand just
in case the boss needs to be detached from the roof to which he's
inadvertently attached hisself.
>We are amused.
Small minds and all that .. 8)
JF
Chris Painter
"Alan Street" <alan@nonono_irsi.com> wrote in message
news:260420031343557498%alan@nonono_irsi.com...
Chris Painter
"Alan Street" <alan@nonono_irsi.com> wrote in message
news:260420031343557498%alan@nonono_irsi.com...
LOL, Yes I did. I know Andy isn't a stroke.
Chris
Nitespark
Well damn....see if I ever let you use MY Spare Air.
Chris Painter
> Well damn....see if I ever let you use MY Spare Air.
LOL
Chris
Fishbre396
>You will probably want to steer clear of Lynn Haven Dive Center boats in
>Virginia Beach then. The mates work for tips only.
If these "mates" work for nothing, they must have enough money to live on, so
why would they need tips?
Fishbre396
<""nitespark\"@no...@m-cox.net> writes:
>Every dive boat I have been on, the group tipped the crew.
>
>Do you tip waiters or waitresses in a restaurant???? Just curious.
>
crew on dive boats are not waiters nor waitresses! Why the comparison?
Generally no food is served on a boat.
Jammer Six
<""nitespark\"@no...@m-cox.net> wrote:
€ You seemed to have a problem with the way the operation was run. I
€ don't. I was merely providing you with a means to address the problem
€ directly.
No, you weren't.
€ I fail to understand why that is "ridiculess".
Yes, we know. That's what I said.
€ Maybe they don't read the newsgroup. Not every diver or dive operation
€ does. Why not just confront them directly and give them the benifit of
€ your experience and wisdom???
Because no one here cares if they live or die, much less if they learn.
They can read what's here or they can do without.
This is the internet. If they wanted to know, they'd be here.
Jammer Six
<""nitespark\"@no...@m-cox.net> wrote:
€ When you go solo on a cattleboat, you are at the mercy
€ of the dive gods.
So you've been advertising a cattleboat?
You've just destroyed what little credibility we've been granting you
because you're so new.
We're not interested in cattleboats, newbie. We know where the best
boats in the world are.
Jammer Six
<alan@nonono_irsi.com> wrote:
€ Didn't he mean in as a term of endearment?
No, what he means is "I'm waiting for my DIRF class, and I'm talking
the talk until I learn to walk the walk."
--
"Let's roll!"
-Todd Beamer, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001
Greg Mossman
news:3eaaa589$0$197$4c56...@master.news.zetnet.net...
> I guess, the big difference is probably how UK boats are run, maximum
> charter is 12 divers. It isn't the crews job to haul/set up kit. If there
> is a DM on board, he will be part of the charter, and what he does is up
to
> him, guided dives really are not very common. A crew would not touch
anyones
> kit, unless asked, and even its just to help clip on a stage or whatever.
> Probably if I worked out the beer thing it would be rather more than
$5/day
> :)
US boats are run like that too, at least in southern California though most
of our boats hold a few more than 12. You set up your own gear. You take
your first stage off the tank, the crew fills your tank, you put your first
stage back on the tank. The DM might be provided by the boat or the
charter, but in either case is usually there only for rescues and roll-call.
However, our DM/crew sounds a bit more helpful than yours, often helping a
diver having trouble donning his gear, handing cameras over the side,
retrieving fins from divers at the swim ladder, etc. Perhaps that's why
they get tipped in this country.
Greg Mossman
news:0j6lavoonlbo586jj...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2003 11:37:38 GMT, (Pete S.) wrote:
>
>
> >
> >>Do you tip waiters or waitresses in a restaurant???? Just curious.
> >
> >
> Act. Minimum hourly wage for "tipped employees" is $2.13 an hour, the
> assumption is that they WILL be tipped.
Is that the Fair Labor Standards Act in Pete S.'s country?
Dan Bracuk
:I would flip flop that. Most do deserve my insult, few do not.
But it's easier to earn insults from you than from most others.
Dan Bracuk
Give Me Some Money Before the end of the month.
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Greg Mossman
news:b8eb6h$ohp$1...@slb9.atl.mindspring.net...
> This, of course, is a very unfair practice. Think about it. You go into
> the local sandwhich shop where you spend $10 for lunch. You tip 20%, if
> your generous or the waitress is attractive (sorry about the waiters).
> That's $2.00. That night, you and your wife go out to dinner, spending
$100
> on dinner and drinks. Tipping the same 20%, you leave a $20 behind. Do
you
> suppose the dinner waitress worked 10 times harder or provided 10 times
the
> service?
Especially the drinks part. Why should the waiter get an extra $10 if I
want to order a $50 bottle of wine especially when you're already paying a
2-3X markup on the retail cost? Give me the damn corkscrew, I'll open it
myself.
But I believe the idea of tipping still keeps them working harder. Since we
do have the power to withhold a tip (or increase it), the money still talks.
And the dinner waitress usually earns that position - the more lucrative
shifts are bound to be more competitive, so the service should be better.
Greg Mossman
news:N0Cqa.9721$J27....@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
> I tried diving the Miss Lauren last year. All I can say is I didn't get a
> very good impression of the dive shop OR the boat.
I read your post. The weather was shitty. The boat refunded your money AND
tried to take you somewhere to dive so you could get your cake and eat it
too. What's the problem?
Greg Mossman
news:pan.2003.04.26....@ntlworld.com...
> Tipping is generally expected in the Maldives, but at a recommended level
> of $5-10 a week for the room boy and the waiter, it's nowhere near the
> ripoff levels of the US. For the boat crew, something in the region of $10
> for 2 weeks diving suffices. I get the impression some people are tipping
> that much per day. The DMs and instructors don't expect tips there.
Many U.S. hotels gave up relying on guests to tip the chambermaids and now
tack on a daily "service charge" of a couple bucks.
Unknown
wrote:
We have a statutary minimum wage. No exceptions unless you are under
18.
Pete S.
Nitespark
I dunno. You could ask them.
Nitespark
It is customary to tip waiters/waitresses and in most places I have
been, it is customary to tip the boat crew.
However, to be more specific to your point, on the "Miss Lindsey" they
do have a gas grill onboard and they do serve hot dogs, hamburgers, etc
during your SI.
Nitespark
Jammer Six wrote:
> In article <FZBqa.8276$XE.4...@news1.east.cox.net>, Nitespark
> <""nitespark\"@no...@m-cox.net> wrote:
>
> € You seemed to have a problem with the way the operation was run. I
> € don't. I was merely providing you with a means to address the problem
> € directly.
>
> No, you weren't.
Then what was I trying to do???
€ Maybe they don't read the newsgroup. Not every diver or dive operation
> € does. Why not just confront them directly and give them the benifit of
> € your experience and wisdom???
>
> Because no one here cares if they live or die, much less if they learn.
>
> They can read what's here or they can do without.
>
> This is the internet. If they wanted to know, they'd be here.
Whatever. You dive the way you want. I'll dive the way I want.
>
Nitespark
Jammer Six wrote:
> In article <M6Cqa.8369$XE.4...@news1.east.cox.net>, Nitespark
> <""nitespark\"@no...@m-cox.net> wrote:
>
> € When you go solo on a cattleboat, you are at the mercy
> € of the dive gods.
>
> So you've been advertising a cattleboat?
Nope. Can you specify one instance where I have been advocating a
cattleboat??? I mentioned two I have been on, not as an advertisment,
but to be specific.
>
> You've just destroyed what little credibility we've been granting you
> because you're so new.
Who is "we". I really dont care whether you "grant" me credibility or
not.
>
> We're not interested in cattleboats, newbie. We know where the best
> boats in the world are.
I don't care. FWIW, I have been posting here for several years. Not
exactly a "newbie" as you put it. But then I guess if you were half as
smart as you think you are, you would have already realized that.
>
AirHog
And most deserve it.
And that is not the first time I have been called easy.
Have you received my check yet?
Chris Painter
"Greg Mossman" <mos...@qnet.com> wrote in message
news:vam7u7q...@corp.supernews.com...
> I read your post. The weather was shitty. The boat refunded your money
AND
> tried to take you somewhere to dive so you could get your cake and eat it
> too. What's the problem?
Read it again. Like the part where there couldn't fill nitrox (and they
claim to sponser a tech diving club) or the part where the boat was full of
students and instructors. And actually they didn't refund my money. The
capt gave me the boat ticket back. But when I went back to the dive shop
they gave me some run around about it being rang up in the system as someway
they didn't know how to do a refund.
Chris
Chris Painter
> news:N0Cqa.9721$J27....@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
>
> > I tried diving the Miss Lauren last year. All I can say is I didn't get
a
> > very good impression of the dive shop OR the boat.
>
Oh yah, and ask Trace M. if he ever got his paycheck from them or not.
Chris
Curtis
> ? of the dive gods.
>
> So you've been advertising a cattleboat?
Tipping the instructor? Cattleboat? Is this anything like cow-tipping?
Have met a few instructors that needed tipping, do you have to give them a
flag first?
Curtis
Dan Bracuk
Not yet. Probably show up on Monday.
Dan Bracuk
:Oh yah, and ask Trace M. if he ever got his paycheck from them or not.
The same Trace M who didn't get paid for work he did in Cayman Brac? Guy seems
to have more than his share of bad luck.
Jammer Six
<""nitespark\"@no...@m-cox.net> wrote:
€ It is customary to tip waiters/waitresses and in most places I have
€ been, it is customary to tip the boat crew.
Then you haven't been very many places.
--
"We're going to rush the hijackers."
-Jeremy Glick, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001
Jammer Six
<""nitespark\"@no...@m-cox.net> wrote:
€ Then what was I trying to do???
If you don't know, a good practice is usually to stop.
€ Whatever. You dive the way you want. I'll dive the way I want.
We're not talking about diving, sugar.
Jammer Six
<""nitespark\"@no...@m-cox.net> wrote:
€ Who is "we". I really dont care whether you "grant" me credibility or
€ not.
Yes, I see that. It's evident in all seventeen of your posts.
€ I don't care. FWIW, I have been posting here for several years.
Yes, that's what we said. You're new.
--
"Let's roll!"
-Todd Beamer, aboard United Airlines flight 93, September 11, 2001
Rich Lockyer
>And as for not going on boats where the crew don't get paid? It's not
>my problem, they must be stupid to work for nothing.
Or....
1 - Conned into believing that there is a kind of internship for paid
crew status.
2 - So unqualified and incompetent so as to be unable to get a paying
gig with another operator.
--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/
Jammer Six
<curt...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
€ Tipping the instructor? Cattleboat? Is this anything like cow-tipping?
Same thing.
Rich Lockyer
<""nitespark\"@no...@m-cox.net> wrote:
>I went out with them one night and they are not shy about it at all.
>Big plastic jug cable-tied to the ladder leading to the bridge labeled,
>"Mate Tip". The captain told us outright, "The mate works for tips
>only" and on the way back in, he started singing (to the William Tell
>Overture music), "Tip the Mate, Tip the Mate, Tip the Mate, Mate, Mate".
>That was a bit much for me.
Ya... I've avoided tipping strippers who were less forward, and a
primary reason for avoiding the tip is because they were TOO forward.
Begging is a step backwards with me.
>Every dive boat I have been on, the group tipped the crew.
>
>Do you tip waiters or waitresses in a restaurant???? Just curious.
If the service is good enough to warrant a tip, they get one.
I generally tip quite well, but only for service that is worthy.
The tip should be a sincere "thank you" and a jug tied to the rail
doesn't cut it.
It should be personal and discreet... I generally cup the bills in a
handshake. The rest of the passengers have no business knowing that,
or how much, you tipped, and they should not be made to feel bad
because perhaps they can't afford to tip as much as you did.
If a good job is done, a dive crew member might get as much as $20.
My buddy and I together gave $100 to our fishing crew in Cabo after a
VERY productive day, and the mate filetting our catch on the way home
(we nailed over 20 Yellowfin... most 15-20 pounds).
The trip was just the four of us... me, my buddy, and the two crew.
These guys worked their asses off and made sure that we didn't lose
ONE fish that was caught on the troll, even when we were tripping over
the fish we had caught.
The skipper looked at it and started to shake his head and hand it
back... we both smiled and told him that he deserved it and to take
his mate to a nice dinner. They both offered to carry our catch back
to our hotel. After that, we let them each keep about 10 pounds of
tuna (we still brought over 70 pounds home).
The year before the crew got nothing... we landed one small marlin and
the crew proceeded to do nothing but drive the boat around after that.
Even during the fight, the skipper would not keep the fish off of the
stern or back it down when it was taking line... he just sat there and
waited for my buddy to bring it in. It was a 45-minute fight and
nearly spooled the reel several times.
Take care of me and I'll take care of you.
--- Rich
http://richlockyer.tripod.com/