GREAT WHITE CAUGHT NEAR PENNEKAMP
Jodei Berlin
Jan 6, 1997
What a way to start the new year! A 1400 lb 18 ft great white shark
was caught just in front of the reefs in Pennekamp Park today. I didn't
think they came in this close to shore. Want to go diving with Slate
when he feeds the fish at Atlantis Dive????
Doug Bentley
EZA...@prodigy.com (Jodei Berlin) wrote:
Under what circumstances was the shark caught? I hope they weren't out
chumming or 'fishing' for sharks!
I really would like to learn why the shark was caught in the first place.
If this is common practice in that region I'll take my diving dollars
elsewhere!
Doug
Johnny T
Jodei Berlin wrote:
>
> Jan 6, 1997
>
> What a way to start the new year! A 1400 lb 18 ft great white shark
> was caught just in front of the reefs in Pennekamp Park today. I didn't
> think they came in this close to shore. Want to go diving with Slate
> when he feeds the fish at Atlantis Dive????
i thought you were not allowed to fish in the park?????..Johnny T...
Seawolf (C.D. Fleischer)
Jodei Berlin wrote:
>
> Jan 6, 1997
>
> What a way to start the new year! A 1400 lb 18 ft great white shark
> was caught just in front of the reefs in Pennekamp Park today. I didn't
> think they came in this close to shore. Want to go diving with Slate
> when he feeds the fish at Atlantis Dive????
Pardon my ignorance, but where is Pennekamp? I don't think I have heard
of it before.
Thanks,
Clay
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C.D. Fleischer
My opinions; no one elses....
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Dave Cannell
Seawolf (C.D. Fleischer) (cdfle...@lilly.com) wrote:
: Jodei Berlin wrote:
: >
: > Jan 6, 1997
: >
: > What a way to start the new year! A 1400 lb 18 ft great white shark
: > was caught just in front of the reefs in Pennekamp Park today. I didn't
: > think they came in this close to shore. Want to go diving with Slate
: > when he feeds the fish at Atlantis Dive????
: Pardon my ignorance, but where is Pennekamp? I don't think I have heard
: of it before.
FLORIDA...
: Thanks,
Mike Sheppard
(Jodei Berlin) wrote:
>
> >Jan 6, 1997
> >
> > What a way to start the new year! A 1400 lb 18 ft great white shark
> >was caught just in front of the reefs in Pennekamp Park today. I didn't
> >think they came in this close to shore. Want to go diving with Slate
> >when he feeds the fish at Atlantis Dive????
> >
>
> chumming or 'fishing' for sharks!
>
> I really would like to learn why the shark was caught in the first place.
> If this is common practice in that region I'll take my diving dollars
> elsewhere!
>
> Doug
One of the largest (at one time it was THE Largest) Great Whites was taken
off Marathon 7-8 years ago. It's thought that the PALAGICS CHASE SOME
GAME FROM THE DEEP into the cuts that lead from the blue water to the gulf
side.
The sharks are caught cause fisherman catch 'em, There are many sharks
taken every day in Fla waters.
Go dive where ever ya want.
Lee Jones
In article <32d1be6b...@news.awinc.com>,
Doug Bentley <dben...@awinc.com> wrote:
>EZA...@prodigy.com (Jodei Berlin) wrote:
>
>>Jan 6, 1997
>>
>> What a way to start the new year! A 1400 lb 18 ft great white shark
>>was caught just in front of the reefs in Pennekamp Park today. I didn't
>>think they came in this close to shore. Want to go diving with Slate
>>when he feeds the fish at Atlantis Dive????
>>
>
>Under what circumstances was the shark caught? I hope they weren't out
>chumming or 'fishing' for sharks!
>
Yeah - there are questions as to why the critter was caught in the first place,
but:
Whites are not pelagic sharks (makos, oceanic whitetips, and silkies are).
Whites cruise mostly near-shore looking for unwary marine mammals. Obviously,
they can and do get out to deepdeepdeep water, but that's not where they do
their hunting.
Regards, Lee
--
Lee Jones | "And your wise men don't know how it feels
le...@sgi.com | To be thick as a brick."
415-933-3356 | -Ian Anderson
2132...@msu.edu
>Under what circumstances was the shark caught? I hope they weren't out
>chumming or 'fishing' for sharks!
>
>If this is common practice in that region I'll take my diving dollars
>elsewhere!
regulated. I suspect someone spotted the thing from the air (there
are frequent fly overs looking for poachers, etc.) and this specific
one was targeted as an obvious menace.
As for common practice, sharks big enough to worry about don't show
up there all that often.
Doug Bentley
she...@eos.net (Mike Sheppard) wrote:
>(Jodei Berlin) wrote:
>>
>> >Jan 6, 1997
>> >
>> > What a way to start the new year! A 1400 lb 18 ft great white shark
>> >was caught just in front of the reefs in Pennekamp Park today. I didn't
>> >think they came in this close to shore. Want to go diving with Slate
>> >when he feeds the fish at Atlantis Dive????
>> >
>>
>> Under what circumstances was the shark caught? I hope they weren't out
>> chumming or 'fishing' for sharks!
>>
>> I really would like to learn why the shark was caught in the first place.
>> If this is common practice in that region I'll take my diving dollars
>> elsewhere!
>>
>> Doug
>
>One of the largest (at one time it was THE Largest) Great Whites was taken
>off Marathon 7-8 years ago. It's thought that the PALAGICS CHASE SOME
>GAME FROM THE DEEP into the cuts that lead from the blue water to the gulf
>side.
>
>The sharks are caught cause fisherman catch 'em, There are many sharks
>taken every day in Fla waters.
And why do fishermen catch 'em? For the fun of it? For the sport? We manage
our sea resources badly enough (practically every country in the world)
without this practice. Slowly, more and more people are realizing that this
is destructive and serves absolutely no good purpose.
Make no mistake, I have no problem with hunting and eating what you catch!
>Go dive where ever ya want.
I will and Fla waters won't be among them.
Lee Bell
Jodei Berlin wrote:
>
> Jan 6, 1997
>
> What a way to start the new year! A 1400 lb 18 ft great white shark
> was caught just in front of the reefs in Pennekamp Park today. I
> didn't think they came in this close to shore. Want to go diving with
> Slate when he feeds the fish at Atlantis Dive????
Yes, a big Great White was caught last night. The length and size keep
changing, but it's reasonably sure that it was 15 feet or more in length
and weighed 1500 lbs or more.
No, it was not caught in, or even near Pennicamp, even though all the
news services said it was. Pennicamp ends well inshore of the drop off.
The Key Largo Marine Sanctuary, perhaps now part of the Keys Marine
Sanctuary picks up where Pennicamp leaves off.
Lee
Lee Bell
> Pardon my ignorance, but where is Pennekamp? I don't think I have heard
> of it before.
You're pardoned. John Pennekamp State Park (you'll note I don't spell
the name the same twice from my earlier posts) is off the coast of Key
Largo, in the Florida Keys. It was the first underwater park in the
United States.
For those that still don't know, Molassas Reef (probably spelled wrong
too) is the most frequently dived, dove, whatever, site in the world.
Just outside of the Molassas Reef light, it's a little over 100 feet,
dropping off rapidly. It's not a wall, but it is a quick drop off. The
shark was caught in 250 feet of water, making it real close to this or
one of the other area dive sites.
Lee
Lee Bell
Doug Bentley wrote:
> Under what circumstances was the shark caught? I hope they weren't out
> chumming or 'fishing' for sharks! I really would like to learn why the
> shark was caught in the first place. If this is common practice in > that region I'll take my diving dollars elsewhere!
Shark fishing is common everywhere there are sharks and no laws to
prohibit fishing for them. In this case, it was a commercial shark
fisherman who caught the beast. Based on the depth quoted in the
stories, he was outside of the Key Largo Marine Sanctuary, in legal
commercial fishing grounds.
FWIW, here in Florida, shark fishing is not all that uncommon and
shark as well as shark fin soup is on the menu at some of the better
restaurants. I know of no local fisherman who practice finning. While I
don't much like the idea of sharks chummed into an area close to a
popular dive site, I'm inclined to believe that, other than finning,
fishing for sharks is pretty much like any other type of fishing,
commercial or otherwise. Since I fish too (sport fishing only), I'm not
real quick to judge those who target fish I don't.
At any rate, I guess you'll spend your dollars elsewhere, because he
was fishing for sharks and was probably chumming.
Lee
Rocky Daniels
On Tue, 07 Jan 1997 03:15:56 GMT, dben...@awinc.com (Doug Bentley)
wrote:
>EZA...@prodigy.com (Jodei Berlin) wrote:
>
>>Jan 6, 1997
>>
>> What a way to start the new year! A 1400 lb 18 ft great white shark
>>was caught just in front of the reefs in Pennekamp Park today. I didn't
>>think they came in this close to shore. Want to go diving with Slate
>>when he feeds the fish at Atlantis Dive????
>>
>
>Under what circumstances was the shark caught? I hope they weren't out
>chumming or 'fishing' for sharks!
>
>I really would like to learn why the shark was caught in the first place.
>If this is common practice in that region I'll take my diving dollars
>elsewhere!
I understand it was caught on a long line. That would make it an
inadvertent (though probably valuable) commercial catch. Long lining
is common practice in many areas.
Rocky Daniels
Lee Bell
> Pardon my ignorance, but where is Pennekamp? I don't think I have heard
> of it before.
You're pardoned. John Pennekamp State Park (you'll note I don't spell
the name the same twice from my earlier posts) is off the coast of Key
Largo, in the Florida Keys. It was the first underwater park in the
United States.
For those that still don't know, Molassas Reef, which is west of the
park, in the Key Largo Marine Sanctuary (probably spelled wrong too) is
Lee Bell
Johnny T wrote:
> i thought you were not allowed to fish in the park?????..Johnny T...
You don't have complete information:
1. You can fish in the park.
2. You can not fish commercially in the park and I think it's now
illegal to set commercial lobster traps as well. Not sure about
sport lobstering. It used to be legal, but may have changed.
3. You can't spearfish or even transport spearfishing equipment on the
water in the park.
All that aside, the shark was not caught in the park or even in the
sanctuary to the west. The sanctuary ends just beyond sport diving depth
beyond the drop off. The shark was caught beyond that.
Lee
Lee Bell
Lee Jones wrote:
> Yeah - there are questions as to why the critter was caught in the
> first place, but:
> Whites are not pelagic sharks (makos, oceanic whitetips, and silkies
> are). Whites cruise mostly near-shore looking for unwary marine
> mammals. Obviously, they can and do get out to deep water, but that's
> not where they do their hunting.
Interesting, but apparently the shark didn't agree. Great White's are
normally cold water sharks and the water where this one was caught is
definitely not cold. At this time of year, it was around 75 F. Also,
Florida doesn't have seals, otters, sea lions or other sea mammals which
are normal fare for Great Whites. We do have porpoises and rarely, a
whale is seen. I don't know if these are normal Great White food.
Perhaps you can tell me. I'm not sure what this shark had for lunch, but
it was not likely to be what the species normally eats. It is relatively
sure that he had a chunk of fish for dinner, his last dinner.
Lee
Scott Jaqua
In <32D2FF...@ix.netcom.com> Lee Bell <lee...@ix.netcom.com>
writes:
>For those that still don't know, Molassas Reef (probably spelled wrong
>too) is the most frequently dived, dove, whatever, site in the world.
>Just outside of the Molassas Reef light, it's a little over 100 feet,
>dropping off rapidly. It's not a wall, but it is a quick drop off.
The
>shark was caught in 250 feet of water, making it real close to this or
>one of the other area dive sites.
>
>Lee
Just so you'll never forget- think "mole asses" . Now drop the
first "e". Now you have molasses, and you'll never forget it. (Nor for
that matter, be able to get the thought of a bunch of moles' posteriors
out of your brain) ;^)
Sandra Jaqua
Cathy & Vernon Sinclair
The GW was actually 17' and 1500lbs and was caught on a long line off
Pickles Reef in 250' of water. The thoery I have been hearing around Key
Largo is that for the shark to be in so close it had to be sick. It was
already dead when the fisherman pulled in his line and had been on the line
for at least 24hrs. This happened outside of Pennekamp Park.
I have been living & diving in the Upper Keys for 4 years and have yet to
see a shark so I don't think there is any need to be concerned.
Jodei Berlin <EZA...@prodigy.com> wrote in article
<5as7ei$2e...@usenetw1.news.prodigy.com>...
Jodei Berlin
The great white was caught on a long line. Its fins brought several
thousand dollars and were bought for shipment to asia (shark fin soup)
Steven M. Hess
Doug Bentley <dben...@awinc.com> wrote in article
<32d1be6b...@news.awinc.com>...
> EZA...@prodigy.com (Jodei Berlin) wrote:
>
> >Jan 6, 1997
> >
> > What a way to start the new year! A 1400 lb 18 ft great white shark
> >was caught just in front of the reefs in Pennekamp Park today. I didn't
> >think they came in this close to shore. Want to go diving with Slate
> >when he feeds the fish at Atlantis Dive????
> >
>
> Under what circumstances was the shark caught? I hope they weren't out
> chumming or 'fishing' for sharks!
>
> I really would like to learn why the shark was caught in the first place.
> If this is common practice in that region I'll take my diving dollars
> elsewhere!
>
> Doug
That is a good Idea Doug I can safely say that that is one fence that you
should not jump cause that puppy has got big teeth.
Chuck Narad
In article <32D302...@ix.netcom.com>, Lee Bell <lee...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
> Lee Jones wrote:
>
> > Yeah - there are questions as to why the critter was caught in the
> > first place, but:
> > Whites are not pelagic sharks (makos, oceanic whitetips, and silkies
> > are). Whites cruise mostly near-shore looking for unwary marine
> > mammals. Obviously, they can and do get out to deep water, but that's
> > not where they do their hunting.
>
> Interesting, but apparently the shark didn't agree. Great White's are
> normally cold water sharks and the water where this one was caught is
> definitely not cold. At this time of year, it was around 75 F. Also,
> Florida doesn't have seals, otters, sea lions or other sea mammals which
> are normal fare for Great Whites. We do have porpoises and rarely, a
> whale is seen.
um, manatees?
they're also known to eat sea birds in a pinch.
> I don't know if these are normal Great White food.
> Perhaps you can tell me. I'm not sure what this shark had for lunch, but
> it was not likely to be what the species normally eats. It is relatively
> sure that he had a chunk of fish for dinner, his last dinner.
most likely.
cheers,
chuck/
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John Brett
Lee Bell <lee...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Lee Jones wrote:
<snip>
>Interesting, but apparently the shark didn't agree. Great White's are
>normally cold water sharks and the water where this one was caught is
>definitely not cold. At this time of year, it was around 75 F. Also,
>Florida doesn't have seals, otters, sea lions or other sea mammals which
>are normal fare for Great Whites. We do have porpoises and rarely, a
>it was not likely to be what the species normally eats. It is relatively
>sure that he had a chunk of fish for dinner, his last dinner.
>Lee
There was a television program here in the UK about 6 months ago about
the Great Whites in the Mediteranean, and how they have adapted to
conditons, there. Apparently, they eat Tuna & Dolphins.
John Brett BS-AC & PADI
Lee Bell
Chuck Narad wrote:
> um, manatees?
Possible, but I don't think it likely. Manatees can certainly tolerate
salt water, but they tend to stay in canals, streams, the intracoastal
waterway, and other near shore waters. I've never seen or heard of them
being very far from shore. Pickles reef is several miles from shore,
right at the edge of the drop off, south of molasses reef, just outside
of the Key Largo Marine Sanctuary. I used to dive this reef occasionally
because, being outside of the sanctuary, I could legally collect tropical
fish for my aquarium. The reef's not much to look at and is not a likely
destination for anyone not fishing in one form or another.
Lee
Chuck Narad
In article <32D3C8...@ix.netcom.com>, Lee Bell <lee...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
> Chuck Narad wrote:
>
> > um, manatees?
>
> Possible, but I don't think it likely. Manatees can certainly tolerate
> salt water, but they tend to stay in canals, streams, the intracoastal
> waterway, and other near shore waters. I've never seen or heard of them
> being very far from shore.
thanks for the info.
I've heard of tiger sharks sometimes going upstream in fresh water for
a mile or two, has anyone ever heard of a great white doing so?
btw, I agree with whoever said that here in monterey area, we are
all diving within shouting distance of great whites all of the time
(and never see them); proximity does not necessarily mean that
they're going to attack! like all sharks, they target specific
foods, and with the exception of surfers, skin divers on the surface
(bobbing up and down spear fishing) and apparently people with
scooters (electric field attracting the shark) we just don't hear
about GW attacks on people on the west coast. they eat seals and
sea lions, and may "taste" something that mimics those.
I am very sad every time I hear about one of these apex predators
being caught and the general happy buzz of conversation about it.
those fins may have fetched a couple of thousand dollars from the
asian market, but a long-lived, slowly-reproducing, apex predator
got removed from the biosphere and that is nothing to celebrate.
c/
Chuck Narad
In article <32D369...@ultranet.com>, Robyne Marks <rma...@ultranet.com> writes:
>
> Unfortunately, the killing of Dolphin seems to be extensive in the Keys.
> I was shocked, when in a Key Largo restaurant, to be told that the
> special of the day was "Dolphin"........ [I am a vegetarian and do not
> eat fish.]
that would be "dolphinfish", also known as "mahi-mahi"; it is a fish,
not to be confused with the mammal, which is *not* served in restaurants
in the US!
Tom Rettie
Robyne Marks wrote:
> Its not only sharks!
>
> Unfortunately, the killing of Dolphin seems to be extensive in the Keys.
> I was shocked, when in a Key Largo restaurant, to be told that the
> special of the day was "Dolphin"........ [I am a vegetarian and do not
> eat fish.]
Robyne:
That's a Dolphin _fish_, not the marine mammal. Same name, very
different thing.
Scott Jaqua
In <32D369...@ultranet.com> Robyne Marks <rma...@ultranet.com>
writes:
>Steven M. Hess wrote:
>>
>> Doug Bentley <dben...@awinc.com> wrote in article
>> <32d1be6b...@news.awinc.com>...
>> > EZA...@prodigy.com (Jodei Berlin) wrote:
>> >
>
>Its not only sharks!
>
>Unfortunately, the killing of Dolphin seems to be extensive in the
Keys.
>I was shocked, when in a Key Largo restaurant, to be told that the
>special of the day was "Dolphin"........ [I am a vegetarian and do
not
>eat fish.]
>
Dolphin is another name for mahi-mahi. It's not the mammal dolphin
at all.
Sandra Jaqua
Chuck Hopf
Lee Bell
Rocky Daniels wrote:
> I understand it was caught on a long line. That would make it an
> inadvertent (though probably valuable) commercial catch. Long lining
> is common practice in many areas.
That's my understanding as well, but I'm not sure that means that it was
inadvertent. Early news reports indicated that the guy who caught it was
a commercial shark fisherman.
FWIW, Florida passed a net ban a year or so ago and many of those who
used to be netters are now long line fisherman. Arguably better, but
perhaps still not good. At least our inshore and reef fish are doing
better. Grouper, snapper, etc. are coming back.
Lee
Lee
Robyne Marks
Steven M. Hess wrote:
>
> Doug Bentley <dben...@awinc.com> wrote in article
> <32d1be6b...@news.awinc.com>...
> > EZA...@prodigy.com (Jodei Berlin) wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > What a way to start the new year! A 1400 lb 18 ft great white shark
> > >was caught just in front of the reefs in Pennekamp Park today. I didn't
>
> > >think they came in this close to shore. Want to go diving with Slate
> > >when he feeds the fish at Atlantis Dive????
> > >
> >
> > Under what circumstances was the shark caught? I hope they weren't out
> > chumming or 'fishing' for sharks!
> >
> > I really would like to learn why the shark was caught in the first place.
> > If this is common practice in that region I'll take my diving dollars
> > elsewhere!
> >
> > Doug
>
> That is a good Idea Doug I can safely say that that is one fence that you
> should not jump cause that puppy has got big teeth.
Robyne Marks
Chuck Narad wrote:
>
> In article <32D369...@ultranet.com>, Robyne Marks <rma...@ultranet.com> writes:
> >
> > I was shocked, when in a Key Largo restaurant, to be told that the
> > special of the day was "Dolphin"........ [I am a vegetarian and do not
> > eat fish.]
>
> not to be confused with the mammal, which is *not* served in restaurants
> in the US!
>
> c/
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> | Chuck Narad -- diver/adventurer/engineer |
> | |
> | "Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. And today? |
> | Today is a gift. That's why we call it The Present." |
> | - Babatunde Olatunji |
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
Phew.... glad "Flipper" is safe.
/robyne
Mike
Seawolf (C.D. Fleischer) <cdfle...@lilly.com> schrieb im Beitrag
<32D231...@lilly.com>...
>
> Pardon my ignorance, but where is Pennekamp? I don't think I have heard
> of it before.
>
>
> Clay
>
> -------------
> C.D. Fleischer
>
> My opinions; no one elses....
> --------------------------------------------------
Even I'm from Switzerland I know that Pennekamp is the UW-National-Park in
Key Largo, Florida, USA (on the Keys)
Never mind
Sharky
Lee Bell
Robyne Marks wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, the killing of Dolphin seems to be extensive in the
> Keys. I was shocked, when in a Key Largo restaurant, to be told that
> the special of the day was "Dolphin"........ [I am a vegetarian and
> do not eat fish.]
The "Dolphin" which was the special was not the "Flipper" variety. The
bottle nosed dolphin, often referred to as a porpoise, is a mammal. It
is not legal to catch them, harrass them and certainly not to eat them in
Florida. We also have a fish we call a dolphin. It's known as Mahi Mahi
or Dorado in other locations. The fish dolphin is not even close to
endangered. They breed and grow very quickly and are an excellent food
fish which, unlike a lot of other species, survivies our heavy fishing
industry, commercial, sport and tourist, quite nicely.
Lee
Chuck Narad
In article <32D38A...@ultranet.com>, Robyne Marks <rma...@ultranet.com> writes:
> Chuck Narad wrote:
> > In article <32D369...@ultranet.com>, Robyne Marks <rma...@ultranet.com> writes:
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, the killing of Dolphin seems to be extensive in the Keys.
> > > I was shocked, when in a Key Largo restaurant, to be told that the
> > > special of the day was "Dolphin"........ [I am a vegetarian and do not
> > > eat fish.]
> >
> > that would be "dolphinfish", also known as "mahi-mahi"; it is a fish,
> > not to be confused with the mammal, which is *not* served in restaurants
> > in the US!
>
> Phew.... glad "Flipper" is safe.
>
> /robyne
true, but the dolphinfish wasn't...once we get done with the dolphin-
safe tuna issues, I'd purely love to see some tuna-safe tuna! commercial-scale
fishing has made more than a dent in many fish populations (not tuna, yet)
to the point where some fish populations have crashed. species like
north atlantic cod may never recover.
okay, I'm getting off my soapbox now :-)
well, maybe not...following is an article I posted about a year and
a half back that might be of interest.
cheers,
chuck/
========================================================
From: na...@nudibranch.asd.sgi.com (Chuck Narad)
Newsgroups: rec.scuba
Subject: Re: No More Fish
Date: 31 Jul 1995 20:32:01 GMT
Message-ID: <3vjek1$i...@fido.asd.sgi.com>
This was in the Sunday San Francisco Examiner, reprinted from the
London observer. Reproduced here without permission.
For those that think fish is environmentally sounder food than beef
or chicken, or who object to fish farming, this article has some
eye-opening numbers in it.
chuck/
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Fewer and Fewer Fish in the Sea
by Polly Ghazi, Frank Smith, and Claire Trevens
London Observer
The British offical thought hard, then cleared his throat. "Officially,
I would say that the U.N. and Europe are working hard to manage fish
stocks better and we'll come up with the answer in time." Then he
shrugged. "Priveately, I think it is all over..."
"We will fish the seas out, then--when there is nothing left--we will sit
back and consider the folly of our ways while we wait for 10 or 20 years
for stocks to recover. If they do recover--and they may not--then, maybe,
we'll get it right the next time round."
The world's fisheries are hurtling towards commercial extinction as high-
tech supertrawlers become ever more efficient at Hoovering up their prey--
producing incalculable effects on the oceans' health and threatening the
future of millions of people worldwide.
Last month the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) warned that nine
of the world's 17 major fishing grounds had been devestated by overfishing,
with four more under serious threat.
Officially, the governments of the world are working at the United Nations
in New York to produce a treaty governing quotas for the fishing of species
that roam across national waters.
But observers doubt that any more headway will be made this time than
in the last three failed attempts.
"There is just not the political will to deal with overfishing because
there are too many vested interests at stake," said the British offical.
Meanwhile, we're going to see more and morefish wars like the Canadian-
Spanish conflict. It's ineveitable."
The reason: The prizes are still great.
Canada: Dubious Hero
Consider the Estai, the Spanish trawler at the center of the recent
fish war off Newfoundland. When a canadian gunboat cut the Estai's
nets and boarded her on March 9, she had 400 tons of turbot on board.
Turbot is the last commercially exploitable fish in the once rich
fishing grounds.
That catch--which she had been gathering and freezing since October--
would fetch more than $2.4M had it been landed intact at her home port.
The Canadians portray themselves as the champions of conservation. But
the reason they're so keen to fend off foreign trawlers is that they have
ravaged their own fish stocks--to the point where today Newfoundland's
30,000 fishermen aren't even allowed to drop a baited hook over a boat
to catch a fish for their own supper.
Despite the ban, a scientific survey earlier this year found that more
than 95 percent of the cod has disappeared off the Grand Banks since the
ban was announced; the number of cod has fallen 80 percent in the last year.
"The canadians are absolute bastards," said one fisherman from the Spanish
port of La Guardia. "They are now flying the flag of conservation when
it was they who depleted the fish stocks off the coast of Newfoundland."
Year's Quota in 8 Minutes
While western governments are belatedly trying to control the rampant
fishing fleets, they must also take much of the blame for keeping them
afloat, as catches subside, by paying massive subsidies.
Some of these fleets are now so efficient that they can only fish for
a few days or weeks a year before a quota is exhauseted. Just last
month, British Columbia trawlermen set sail to catch roe herring--and reached
their quota of 770 tons of the entire year in a single fishing session
lasting eight minutes.
It is these boats--the pride of large national fleets, such as the Spanish
and Japanese--which are moving increasingly into the high seas and, sometimes
illegally, into the territorial waters of developing countries.
Spanish boats now fish off every continent except Australia and Antarctica.
Their vessels have been run off the Namibian and Mauritian coasts by angry
locals. After the Newfoundland clashes, there are fears that the Spanish
will turn their attention next to the waters off the northwestern coast
of Britain.
"The fishing industry is run on the economics of a madhouse," said Mike
Sutton of the World Wide Fund for Nature. "There are simply too many boats
chasing too few fish. But Western governments do not have the will to take
on the industry because of its enormous political and financial clout."
Third World Responsibility
However, the blame for the escalating crisis can't be pinned solely on
maurauding Western Nations. Developing nations own 9/10 of the coastal
waters that lie within 200-mile fisheries-exclusion zones. But many third-
world governments have failed to protect their sustainable, traditional
fisheries by signing lucrative deals with Western nations to write off
debt or boost fledgling economies.
Senegal, for example, has agreed to allow massive exploitation of its
waters by European Union fleets. Local fishermen warned that livelihoods
and food security were at risk. But the earnings are desparately needed
to pay off interest payments on long-term debt.
The rewards for governments have been rich. Developing countries now make
$10B a year in fish exports, overtaking revenues from coffee, tea, or rubber.
So the overfishing continues unabated, as scientists and economists try
to calculate the costs.
Nobody kows for sure what effects chronic overfishing will have on other
marine wildlife. It's well known that hundreds of thousands of dolphins,
porpoises, and sea birds are killed every year in Pacific Ocean and
European drift nets.
But apart from incidental catches, the everyday survival of the sea birds,
mammals, sharks and turtles at the top of the food chain is also increasingly
under threat. Their staple diet of tiny fishes, such as sand eels, is
increasingly being harvested, without any controls, for the fishmeal market--
and are even used as cheap fuel to run Danish power stations.
Tuna At $320 a Pound
Just as worrying is the effect on the humans who rely on fish to stay
alive. If the world's governments fail to sign binding agreements and
the seas really run out of their once-abundant harvest, what would happen?
Wealthy westerners will no doubt still be able to eat seafood delicacies,
hunted down and trawled from their last ocean-bed hiding places and sold
at hugely inflated prices. Today, in Tokyo restaurants, rare bluefin tuna
steaks are still on the menu at $320/pound.
But for the developing world, the disappearance of commercial fisheries
would spell disaster.
In Asia alone, a billion people rely on fish as their main source of animal
protein. In africa, it provides animal protein for one-fifth of the
continent's people. Cheap and easily available, it keeps malnutrition
at bay for hundreds of millions.
The FAO's recent report on the state of the world's fisheries pointed out
that 27 million tons of unwanted fish are thrown overboard every year--
enough to supply all of the fish eaten by the entire Chinese population
for a year and a half.
(sidebar article: Spaniards Thrive on Fish From Tapas, Soup to Pie)
(Sidebar article: Canada, Spain Dispute Fishing.)
------------------------------------------------------------------
Seen in the Sunday 4/9/95 San Francisco Examiner; reproduced without permission.
Mike Wallace
On Wed, 08 Jan 1997 14:31:37 +0500, Robyne Marks <rma...@ultranet.com>
wrote:
>Steven M. Hess wrote:
>>
>> Doug Bentley <dben...@awinc.com> wrote in article
>> <32d1be6b...@news.awinc.com>...
>> > EZA...@prodigy.com (Jodei Berlin) wrote:
>> >
>> > >Jan 6, 1997
>> > >
>> > > What a way to start the new year! A 1400 lb 18 ft great white shark
>> > >was caught just in front of the reefs in Pennekamp Park today. I didn't
>>
>> > >think they came in this close to shore. Want to go diving with Slate
>> > >when he feeds the fish at Atlantis Dive????
>> > >
>> >
>> > Under what circumstances was the shark caught? I hope they weren't out
>> > chumming or 'fishing' for sharks!
>> >
>> > I really would like to learn why the shark was caught in the first place.
>> > If this is common practice in that region I'll take my diving dollars
>> > elsewhere!
>> >
>> > Doug
>>
>> That is a good Idea Doug I can safely say that that is one fence that you
>> should not jump cause that puppy has got big teeth.
>------------------------------------------------
>
>Its not only sharks!
>
>Unfortunately, the killing of Dolphin seems to be extensive in the Keys.
>I was shocked, when in a Key Largo restaurant, to be told that the
>special of the day was "Dolphin"........ [I am a vegetarian and do not
>eat fish.]
>
>/robyne
Hehehehhe....this is a troll right? If not then let me be one of many
to let you know that the "Dolphin" is not the flipper variety that you
may be thinkin' of. This particular version is an open water fish that
happen to be a hoot to catch and pretty good to eat also. I believe
that they are also refered to as Mahi Mahi.
========================================
Mike Wallace [\]
Huntsville, Alabama
Just another shitty day in paradise....
34 deg 42' N 86 deg 35' W
========================================
Mike Wallace
On 8 Jan 1997 19:41:35 GMT, na...@nudibranch.asd.sgi.com (Chuck Narad)
wrote:
>
>In article <32D3C8...@ix.netcom.com>, Lee Bell <lee...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>> Chuck Narad wrote:
>>
>> > um, manatees?
>>
>> Possible, but I don't think it likely. Manatees can certainly tolerate
>> salt water, but they tend to stay in canals, streams, the intracoastal
>> waterway, and other near shore waters. I've never seen or heard of them
>> being very far from shore.
>
>thanks for the info.
>
>I've heard of tiger sharks sometimes going upstream in fresh water for
>a mile or two, has anyone ever heard of a great white doing so?
I understand that the bull shark is VERY tolerant of fresh water and
have been found 100's of mile upstream in the big rivers, such as the
Amazon and even the Mississippi.
Gordon Gunn
In article <5b0td8$5...@fido.asd.sgi.com> Chuck Narad,
na...@nudibranch.asd.sgi.com writes:
>that would be "dolphinfish", also known as "mahi-mahi"; it is a fish,
>not to be confused with the mammal, which is *not* served in restaurants
>in the US!
Also known as "dorado" in the waters of Mexico (I've caught and eaten
many of them at Cozumel). I've also heard that the name "mahi-mahi",
while it sounds Hawaiian, was actually made up by the fishing industry to
counteract the misconstruance that restaurants and fish markets were
serving up Flipper.
Gordon in Austin
Ramsay Brand
Mike Wallace wrote:
(snicker snack)
>
> I understand that the bull shark is VERY tolerant of fresh water and
> have been found 100's of mile upstream in the big rivers, such as the
> Amazon and even the Mississippi.
I could be wrong, but I think that the Bull shark is also known as the
Zambezi - for just this reason.
--
Ramsay Brand rbr...@mltsa.uk.lucent.com
John Brett
na...@nudibranch.asd.sgi.com (Chuck Narad) wrote:
>In article <32D38A...@ultranet.com>, Robyne Marks <rma...@ultranet.com> writes:
>> Chuck Narad wrote:
>true, but the dolphinfish wasn't...once we get done with the dolphin-
>safe tuna issues, I'd purely love to see some tuna-safe tuna! commercial-scale
>fishing has made more than a dent in many fish populations (not tuna, yet)
>to the point where some fish populations have crashed. species like
>north atlantic cod may never recover.
<snip excellent stuff>
The EEC has recently set fishing quotas for the North sea & waters
surrounding Great Britain. Some quotas have dropped 10~20%, many have
increased (one by 100% - hallibut(?) in the Irish sea). The fishermen
weren't ecstatic, but the conservationists were appauled, claiming
even the government fisheries scientists were concerned over the
depleting fish population.
Unfortunately, I would agree with you that commercialism is likely to
win. We are just going to become another oversuccessful predator that
starved to death once all of its prey had gone.
I don't even like eating fish ...
Ken Sallot
>Its not only sharks!
>Unfortunately, the killing of Dolphin seems to be extensive in the Keys.
>I was shocked, when in a Key Largo restaurant, to be told that the
>special of the day was "Dolphin"........ [I am a vegetarian and do not
>eat fish.]
>/robyne
Dolphin is great. It tastes like a cross between Manatee steak (there's a
reason they're called Sea Cow's) and Spotted Owl.
Ken
Anker Berg-Sonne
Relax, the dolphin on the menu wasn't a mammal but a fish that's also
called a dolphin!
Anker
NAUI D10926
On Wed, 08 Jan 1997 14:31:37 +0500, Robyne Marks <rma...@ultranet.com>
wrote:
>Steven M. Hess wrote:
>>
>> Doug Bentley <dben...@awinc.com> wrote in article
>> <32d1be6b...@news.awinc.com>...
>> > EZA...@prodigy.com (Jodei Berlin) wrote:
>> >
>> > >Jan 6, 1997
>> > >
>> > > What a way to start the new year! A 1400 lb 18 ft great white shark
>> > >was caught just in front of the reefs in Pennekamp Park today. I didn't
>>
>> > >think they came in this close to shore. Want to go diving with Slate
>> > >when he feeds the fish at Atlantis Dive????
>> > >
>> >
>> > Under what circumstances was the shark caught? I hope they weren't out
>> > chumming or 'fishing' for sharks!
>> >
>> > I really would like to learn why the shark was caught in the first place.
>> > If this is common practice in that region I'll take my diving dollars
>> > elsewhere!
>> >
>> > Doug
>>
>> That is a good Idea Doug I can safely say that that is one fence that you
>> should not jump cause that puppy has got big teeth.
>------------------------------------------------
>
Manny Moreno
na...@nudibranch.asd.sgi.com (Chuck Narad) wrote:
>In article <32D38A...@ultranet.com>, Robyne Marks <rma...@ultranet.com> writes:
>> Chuck Narad wrote:
>> > In article <32D369...@ultranet.com>, Robyne Marks <rma...@ultranet.com> writes:
>> > >
>> > > Unfortunately, the killing of Dolphin seems to be extensive in the Keys.
>> > > I was shocked, when in a Key Largo restaurant, to be told that the
>> > > special of the day was "Dolphin"........ [I am a vegetarian and do not
>> > > eat fish.]
>> >
>> > that would be "dolphinfish", also known as "mahi-mahi"; it is a fish,
>> > not to be confused with the mammal, which is *not* served in restaurants
>> > in the US!
>>
>> Phew.... glad "Flipper" is safe.
>>
>> /robyne
Sorry Robyne, "Flipper" may be somewhat safe from Americans but many
countries have directed commercial fishing for dolphins (the mammals).
>true, but the dolphinfish wasn't...once we get done with the dolphin-
>safe tuna issues, I'd purely love to see some tuna-safe tuna! commercial-scale
>fishing has made more than a dent in many fish populations (not tuna, yet)
>to the point where some fish populations have crashed. species like
>north atlantic cod may never recover.
Tuna populations have also been severly impacted especially the North
Atlantic Bluefin Tuna. Although there are regulations on bluefin
tuna, the regulations are not strict enough and at the current rate of
mortality. it is predicted that this fishery will also crash.
Sorry for the doom and gloom but it seems that fisheries managers will
not act to limit fishing until the fishery is completely collapsed
and by then its too little too late.
Manny
Manny Moreno
"Cathy & Vernon Sinclair" <sos...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>The GW was actually 17' and 1500lbs and was caught on a long line off
>Pickles Reef in 250' of water. The thoery I have been hearing around Key
>Largo is that for the shark to be in so close it had to be sick. It was
>already dead when the fisherman pulled in his line and had been on the line
>for at least 24hrs. This happened outside of Pennekamp Park.
>I have been living & diving in the Upper Keys for 4 years and have yet to
>see a shark so I don't think there is any need to be concerned.
I'm concerned about the Great White and others like her. Killing
sharks for the purpose of selling the fins is disgusting and so is the
consumer who contributes to this practice.
Manny
Dillon Pyron
Ken Sallot wrote:
>
> In article <32D369...@ultranet.com> Robyne Marks <rma...@ultranet.com> writes:
>
> >Its not only sharks!
>
> >I was shocked, when in a Key Largo restaurant, to be told that the
> >special of the day was "Dolphin"........ [I am a vegetarian and do not
> >eat fish.]
>
>
> Dolphin is great. It tastes like a cross between Manatee steak (there's a
> reason they're called Sea Cow's) and Spotted Owl.
>
> Ken
The best is Sea Sausage. Push a dolphin and a manatee through an
outboard prop.
--
dillon pyron
dillon...@amd.com
PADI OWSI-54909 USPSA TY-26031
The next time an extradimensional being asks you if you are a god,
say yes.
Manny Moreno
EZA...@prodigy.com (Jodei Berlin) wrote:
>The great white was caught on a long line. Its fins brought several
>thousand dollars and were bought for shipment to asia (shark fin soup)
I thought "finning" of sharks was prohibited by federal laws in US
waters?
Manny
Manny Moreno
mmo...@mwmarshall.com (Manny Moreno) wrote:
>na...@nudibranch.asd.sgi.com (Chuck Narad) wrote:
>>In article <32D38A...@ultranet.com>, Robyne Marks <rma...@ultranet.com> writes:
>>> Chuck Narad wrote:
>>> > In article <32D369...@ultranet.com>, Robyne Marks <rma...@ultranet.com> writes:
>>> > >
>>> > > Unfortunately, the killing of Dolphin seems to be extensive in the Keys.
>>> > > I was shocked, when in a Key Largo restaurant, to be told that the
>>> > > special of the day was "Dolphin"........ [I am a vegetarian and do not
>>> > > eat fish.]
>>> >
>>> > that would be "dolphinfish", also known as "mahi-mahi"; it is a fish,
>>> > not to be confused with the mammal, which is *not* served in restaurants
>>> > in the US!
>>>
>>> Phew.... glad "Flipper" is safe.
>>>
>>> /robyne
>Sorry Robyne, "Flipper" may be somewhat safe from Americans but many
>countries have directed commercial fishing for dolphins (the mammals).
>>true, but the dolphinfish wasn't...once we get done with the dolphin-
>>safe tuna issues, I'd purely love to see some tuna-safe tuna! commercial-scale
>>fishing has made more than a dent in many fish populations (not tuna, yet)
>>to the point where some fish populations have crashed. species like
>>north atlantic cod may never recover.
>Tuna populations have also been severly impacted especially the
>Atlantic Bluefin Tuna. Although there are regulations on bluefin
>tuna, the regulations are not strict enough and at the current rate of
>mortality. it is predicted that this fishery will also crash.
>Sorry for the doom and gloom but it seems that fisheries managers will
>not act to limit fishing until the fishery is completely collapsed
>and by then its too little too late.
>Manny
The Atlantic Bluefin Tuna was listed among Top Ten Most endangered
species of the world by World Wildlife Fund, 1994.
Ken Sallot
>> Dolphin is great. It tastes like a cross between Manatee steak (there's a
>> reason they're called Sea Cow's) and Spotted Owl.
>>
>> Ken
>The best is Sea Sausage. Push a dolphin and a manatee through an
>outboard prop.
>--
>dillon pyron
>dillon...@amd.com
Dillon,
I was just sitting here eating some fried Bald Eagle with Florida Panther
nuggets thinking that a cross of dolphin and manatee would be a tasty morsel.
Is there anything else to add to that recipe?
Ken
das...@uwoadmin.uwo.ca
>Robyne Marks wrote:
>> Its not only sharks!
>>
>> Unfortunately, the killing of Dolphin seems to be extensive in the Keys.
>> I was shocked, when in a Key Largo restaurant, to be told that the
>> special of the day was "Dolphin"........ [I am a vegetarian and do not
>> eat fish.]
>Robyne:
>That's a Dolphin _fish_, not the marine mammal. Same name, very
>different thing.
Ugly fish, deserves to be eaten. But it tastes grrrrrrrrrreat.
Dillon Pyron
Henrik Carlsen wrote:
>
> On Thu, 09 Jan 1997 09:39:12 +0000, Ramsay Brand
> <rbr...@mltsa.uk.lucent.com> wrote:
>
> >> I understand that the bull shark is VERY tolerant of fresh water and
> >> have been found 100's of mile upstream in the big rivers, such as the
> >> Amazon and even the Mississippi.
>
> miles.
A largish bull was caught in the Ohio River near the Mississippi in the
early 70s. And smaller sand sharks are frequently caught 50 to 100
miles above the mouth of both the Trinity and Red Rivers in Texas.
Dillon Pyron
A little Snail Darter spices it up nicely. Some Humpback blubber is
usually required if the manatee is taken to late in the spring.
In Austin, we've been enjoying ours with a side of fried Barton Springs
Salamanders. Gotta eat'em quick, they might go extinct before they're
endangered.
Henrik Carlsen
>> I understand that the bull shark is VERY tolerant of fresh water and
>> have been found 100's of mile upstream in the big rivers, such as the
>> Amazon and even the Mississippi.
I belive the last number I heard on the shark list was around 3-4000
miles.
--Henrik
Scott Jaqua
In <ken.1277...@condor.circa.ufl.edu> k...@condor.circa.ufl.edu
(Ken Sallot) writes:
>
>In article <32D52E...@amd.com> Dillon Pyron <dillon...@amd.com>
writes:
>
>>> Dolphin is great. It tastes like a cross between Manatee steak
(there's a
>>> reason they're called Sea Cow's) and Spotted Owl.
>>>
>>> Ken
>
>>The best is Sea Sausage. Push a dolphin and a manatee through an
>>outboard prop.
>
>>--
>>dillon pyron
>>dillon...@amd.com
>
>Dillon,
>
>I was just sitting here eating some fried Bald Eagle with Florida
Panther
>nuggets thinking that a cross of dolphin and manatee would be a tasty
morsel.
>Is there anything else to add to that recipe?
>
>
I think a garnish of the rare Palos Verdes Blue butterfly would
look lovely beside the main dish.
Sandra Jaqua
Gordon Gunn
In article <dasjwm.11...@uwoadmin.uwo.ca> , das...@uwoadmin.uwo.ca
writes:
>Ugly fish, deserves to be eaten.
Au contraire. They are gorgeous fish, white below, fading through
electric yellow, green, and blue to black above, with a sprinkling of
blue-black dots. They fade rapidly after they are caught to a drab gray,
though.
Great fun to catch on medium tackle, and fabulous on the grill with
achiote, garlic, and lime! Is it suppertime yet?
Gordon in Austin
Andrew B. Drapp
Well, looks like the shark went to the very begining of the Amazon or
the Nile then. The Mississippi is only 2348 miles long. The Amazon is
4100 miles long, and the Nile is 4125 miles long. But then you have
dams and such. Some how I doubt it made it to the begining.
--
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KFMagee
Eat Dolphin? Manatee? Of COURSE! Don't you guys get it?
The best tasting food is the rare and endangered stuff..... taste's so
good, that's why it's now rare!
Can you imagine how wonderful Dodo Bird must have been? Or wolly mammoth!
Now that's good eatin' !
(:)->
KFMagee
Pete Plocher
Ken and Dillon -
I know you guys are just joking around, but please remember that
this newsgroup has a world wide audience and your attempts at
comedy don't translate or communicate your subtle humor.
Pete Plocher
>==========Ken Sallot, 1/9/97==========
Mike Wallace
>Henrik Carlsen wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Jan 1997 09:39:12 +0000, Ramsay Brand
>> <rbr...@mltsa.uk.lucent.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> I understand that the bull shark is VERY tolerant of fresh water and
>> >> have been found 100's of mile upstream in the big rivers, such as the
>> >> Amazon and even the Mississippi.
>> I belive the last number I heard on the shark list was around 3-4000
>> miles.
>
>Well, looks like the shark went to the very begining of the Amazon or
>the Nile then. The Mississippi is only 2348 miles long. The Amazon is
>4100 miles long, and the Nile is 4125 miles long. But then you have
>dams and such. Some how I doubt it made it to the begining.
Me too, but it sure as hell makes ME think about diving in my river
here at home which has a connection to the Mississippi river. I could
understand being chewed on by a shark while diving in the big salt
water ponds, but it would be a little tough explaining while cruising
the bottom of the river.... :-)
Jack Acree
Robyne Marks wrote:
>
> Steven M. Hess wrote:
> >
> > Doug Bentley <dben...@awinc.com> wrote in article
> > <32d1be6b...@news.awinc.com>...
> > > EZA...@prodigy.com (Jodei Berlin) wrote:
> > >
> > > >Jan 6, 1997
> > > >
> > > > What a way to start the new year! A 1400 lb 18 ft great white shark
> > > >was caught just in front of the reefs in Pennekamp Park today. I didn't
> >
> > > >think they came in this close to shore. Want to go diving with Slate
> > > >when he feeds the fish at Atlantis Dive????
> > > >
> > >
> > > Under what circumstances was the shark caught? I hope they weren't out
> > > chumming or 'fishing' for sharks!
> > >
> > > I really would like to learn why the shark was caught in the first place.
> > > If this is common practice in that region I'll take my diving dollars
> > > elsewhere!
> > >
> > > Doug
> >
> > That is a good Idea Doug I can safely say that that is one fence that you
> > should not jump cause that puppy has got big teeth.
> ------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Unfortunately, the killing of Dolphin seems to be extensive in the Keys.
> I was shocked, when in a Key Largo restaurant, to be told that the
> special of the day was "Dolphin"........ [I am a vegetarian and do not
> eat fish.]
>
Please tell me that you are only a vegetarian and NOT a diver.
Jack
Dennis J. Cox
Chuck Hopf wrote:
>
> John Brett wrote:
> >
> > Lee Bell <lee...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > >Lee Jones wrote:
> > <snip>
> > >Interesting, but apparently the shark didn't agree. Great White's are
> > >normally cold water sharks and the water where this one was caught is
> > >definitely not cold. At this time of year, it was around 75 F. Also,
> > >Florida doesn't have seals, otters, sea lions or other sea mammals which
> > >are normal fare for Great Whites. We do have porpoises and rarely, a
> > >whale is seen. I don't know if these are normal Great White food.
> > >Perhaps you can tell me. I'm not sure what this shark had for lunch, but
> > >it was not likely to be what the species normally eats. It is relatively
> > >sure that he had a chunk of fish for dinner, his last dinner.
> >
> > >Lee
> >
> > There was a television program here in the UK about 6 months ago about
> > the Great Whites in the Mediteranean, and how they have adapted to
> > conditons, there. Apparently, they eat Tuna & Dolphins.
> >
> > John Brett BS-AC & PADI
I saw a post after Christmas from Jim Abernethy in West Palm about his
having seen Pilot Whales heading south( that would be toward Boynton
Beach and later Pennekamp), could the sharks have followed the Pilot
Whales?
Mike Sheppard
In article <5b44b7$1b5o$1...@news.i-link.net>, Gordon Gunn
<gg...@austin.i-link.net> wrote:
I agree.
The Dolphin (sometimes spelled dolfin to differentiate it from porpoise)
are beautiful. They light up like a pinball machine when you catch em.
And they fight great. A tasty, sweet fish.
Andrew
While we are on the subject of Great Whites, there was A GW caught off the
coast of South Carolina about 2 years ago. It was a juvenile (I want to
say it was about 1500-1700 lbs). If that's a juvenile I wonder where momma
is hanging out.
nooker
On Sun, 12 Jan 97 00:55:17 GMT, crai...@magg.net (Craig Hamilton)
wrote:
>
>>Robyne Marks wrote:
>> Unfortunately, the killing of Dolphin seems to be extensive in the Keys.
>> I was shocked, when in a Key Largo restaurant, to be told that the
>> special of the day was "Dolphin"........ [I am a vegetarian and do not
>> eat fish.]
>>
>> /robyne
You moron robye there is a FISH called Dolphin, which is not
endangered.... It is not the mammal Dolphin you are thinking about...
Do you think they would just go out and advertise it? haha ask your
waiter about it
no...@nooker.com
Nice to meet you...
jfmezei
Someone wrote:
> > Au contraire. They are gorgeous fish, white below, fading through
> > electric yellow, green, and blue to black above, with a sprinkling of
> > blue-black dots. They fade rapidly after they are caught to a drab gray,
> > though
I think that white sharks are as esthetic as a great big ugly
Caterpillar earth mover. White Tipped Sharks, on the other hand, are as
esthetic as a Porshe sports car, sleek, aerodynamic and well
proportioned.
The great white's skin is not smooth/sleek as is the smaller sharks, and
you easily see the bones when it turns. Its mouth is not pretty,
especially when it rows of teeth pop out of the mouth to grab food. I
respect its sheer power, but I do not think that it is a pretty animal.
Henrik Carlsen
On Fri, 10 Jan 1997 12:06:38 +0900, "Andrew B. Drapp"
<andrew@*nospam*cet.co.jp> wrote:
>
>Well, looks like the shark went to the very begining of the Amazon or
>the Nile then. The Mississippi is only 2348 miles long. The Amazon is
>4100 miles long, and the Nile is 4125 miles long. But then you have
>dams and such. Some how I doubt it made it to the begining.
I'm not an expert on sharks, but follows the shark-l discussions.
There are some doubt about the distance. Some say 2000 miles other
3000 and 4000 miles. Here is snip from the archives:
Also, check out http://raven.utc.edu/archives/shark-l.html and search
for things like "fresh, bull, river" etc.
--Henrik
>
> On Wed, 21 Aug 1996, KirK wrote:
>
> > Excuse my ignorance on this subject but why(biologically) can a
> > shark or any salt water animal not live in frsh water?Or if they can then
> > for how long?
> >
The Bull Shark (Carcharhinus leucas) is capable of inhabiting fresh
water
for an indefinate period. They live year round in Lake Nicaragua and
the
rivers into it as well as river throughout Latin America (a personal
friend sited several in rivers in Panama). They used to live in Lake
Okechobee in Florida until the ocean conection was cut. One was sited
outside of St. Louis in the Mississippi River. A man was attacked by
one
while bass fishing in a lake in Arkansas (he earned several stiches by
being sideswiped by a pectoral fin, the dermal denticles cut him). A
man
was severely injured (I believe his leg was badly bitten or removed)
while washing his truck in the Tigris Euphates river during WW-I in
shallow water. They have been sited in the Amazon nearly 2000 miles
upstream. In 1916, a bull shark was believed responsible for the
attacks
in Matawan creek, N.J. several miles from the ocean. They live year
round in the Ganges River, the Zambezi River. Streams in northern
Australia are posted "No Swimming, Sharks and Crocodiles"! The two
largest bull sharks caught were taken off Solomans, MD in the Potomac
River (12'+). A diver in the Pataxent River in MD working on an
archaelogical site reported siting a 12 footer (the visibility was
about
2-6 feet which badly frightened him). They are encountered by divers
in
the Cooper and other rivers from South Carolina to Florida. They live
in
the Ganges River along with the Ganges Shark, Glyphis gangeticus. The
Ganges shark has a reputation as a maneater which is probably a
frameup
for actions of the larger, more toothy bull shark.
Additionally, Sawfish (a type of ray), live in lake nicaragua and
other
fresh water rivers and lakes. Plus the Amazon hosts several fresh
water
stingrays which can occasionally find in Aquarium shops.
Lilia Fischer
Pennekamp is in Key Largo, Florida. The first key in the Keys.
Bill Burnett
Dolphinfish, also called Dorado.... Crayphaena hippurus is the common
one, has a worldwide distribution, in Hawaii it's called Mahimahi.
Big, yellow, humpbacked, ugly but tasty pelagic beastie...
Delish....
Of course I always preferred Manatee stuffed with turtle eggs... :-)
Still, I wonder just how many people *do* actually think they're getting
a marine mammal steak.
B.
-------------------------------------------------------
Bill Burnett bb...@dml.ac.uk
Scottish Association for Marine Science
P.O.Box 3, Oban, Argyll, Scotland
Drew Mooney
>
> Of course I always preferred Manatee stuffed with turtle eggs... :-)
>
>
> B.
>
Bill,
If, like I do, you prefer your meat and fish to have a "gamier" flavor,
try this out...In similar fashion to "running deer" with dogs in the
Carolinas (nothing like the taste of good old adrenaline!), we like to
bring a few cattle prods with us on our manatee dives - we just sorta
herd those cows into our nets, and then a member of our crew dispatches
a few with a bang stick.
Now them's good eats!
Drew
WM M WALL
>>I've heard of tiger sharks sometimes going upstream in fresh water for
>>a mile or two, has anyone ever heard of a great white doing so?
I was watching a special on the Discovery channel about shark attacks and
sometime in the 1920's (I'm not exactly sure of the date) a white shark
swam upstream in the New Jersey area (Not sure of exact location either)
and killed at least one person. I believe the distanced traveled was just
a few miles inland but enough to make you think.
Dyer Crouch
In article <19970122144...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, wmm...@aol.com (WM
M WALL) writes:
|> I was watching a special on the Discovery channel about shark attacks and
|> sometime in the 1920's (I'm not exactly sure of the date) a white shark
|> swam upstream in the New Jersey area (Not sure of exact location either)
|> and killed at least one person. I believe the distanced traveled was just
|> a few miles inland but enough to make you think.
|>
|>
Most shark experts do not belive this was a white shark but that it was a bull
shark.
Bull sharks are known to be found great distances upstream fresh water bodies
which join the ocean.
Look it up, this behavior is well documented.
Later...
Dyer
Alistair Rooney
WM M WALL wrote:
>
> >>I've heard of tiger sharks sometimes going upstream in fresh water for
> >>a mile or two, has anyone ever heard of a great white doing so?
>
> sometime in the 1920's (I'm not exactly sure of the date) a white shark
> swam upstream in the New Jersey area (Not sure of exact location either)
> and killed at least one person. I believe the distanced traveled was just
> a few miles inland but enough to make you think.
Sorry to disagree but the incident I think you are talking about is the
Matawan Creek one in which a shark swam 10 miles inland. It was never
conclusively proven that the Great White that was caught with human
bones in it's stomach was the killer. It is much more likely to have
been a Bull Shark (Carcharhinus leucas) which regularly swim great
distances up fresh water. They have been found in the Zambezi,
Mississippi, Mekong, Lake Nicaragua and the Amazon.
Anyway that's my two cents worth.
Alistair
Blue Sky X
There should also be noted that the dolphin on the menue is usually not a
"flipper". There is another smaller fish just like any other one that is
frequently on a menue which is called the dolphin. Look for a fish guide
an you will find out,
Drew M. Mooney
WM M WALL wrote:
>
> >>I've heard of tiger sharks sometimes going upstream in fresh water for
> >>a mile or two, has anyone ever heard of a great white doing so?
>
> I was watching a special on the Discovery channel about shark attacks and
> sometime in the 1920's (I'm not exactly sure of the date) a white shark
> swam upstream in the New Jersey area (Not sure of exact location either)
> and killed at least one person. I believe the distanced traveled was just
> a few miles inland but enough to make you think.
I think the location you mention was Manasquan inlet - there was a post
on this group about the incident not too long ago. That seems to be a
pretty notorious piece of water - when I was a kid growing up in NJ, oh
must have been early to mid-seventies, there was a pair of porpoises of
a supposedly unknown variety inhabiting those waters. Environmental
extremists <shudder> were on the scene to protect the critters, who were
occassionally shot at by locals looking for an interesting trophy for
the den, or perhaps old codgers who'd been around in '18 when the Bull
shark made his run....who knows?
Drew