OT - Moral Question
The Real Someone Else
question, but it's a very important one. Please don't answer it without
giving it some serious thought. By giving an honest answer you will be able
to test where you stand morally.
The test features an unlikely, completely fictional situation, where you
will have to make a decision one way or the other. Remember that your answer
needs to be honest, yet spontaneous. Please scroll down slowly and consider
each line - this is important for the test to work accurately.
You're in Florida...In Miami, to be exact... There is great chaos going on
around you, caused by a hurricane and severe floods ....... There are huge
masses of water all over you.... You are a CNN photographer and you are in
the middle of this great disaster. The situation is nearly
hopeless......You're trying to shoot very impressive photos.
There are houses and people floating around you, disappearing into the
water. Nature is showing all its destroying power and is ripping everything
away with it.
Suddenly you see a man in the water, he is fighting for his life, trying not
to be taken away by the masses of water and mud. You move closer. Somehow
the man looks familiar. Suddenly you know who it is - it's George W. Bush!
At the same time you notice that the raging waters are about to take him
away...forever. You have two options. You can save him or you can take the
best photo of your life.
So you can save the life of George W. Bush, or you can shoot a Pulitzer
prize winning photo. A unique photo displaying the death of one of the
world's most powerful men.
And here's the question: (Please give an honest answer) : Would you select
colour film, or go with the simplicity of classic black and white?
Charlie Hammond
"The Real Someone Else" <ma...@mail.com> writes:
..
>
>So you can save the life of George W. Bush, or you can shoot a Pulitzer
>prize winning photo. A unique photo displaying the death of one of the
>world's most powerful men.
>
>And here's the question: (Please give an honest answer) : Would you select
>colour film, or go with the simplicity of classic black and white?
Whatever is in my camera -- which will probably be color because I can
always convert coler to black and white, but not the other way around.
However, the more interesting question here is which type of film is more
likely to endure the environment you describe and retain a usable image?
--
Charlie Hammond -- Hewlett-Packard Company -- Ft Lauderdale FL USA
(hammond@not@peek.ssr.hp.com -- remove "@not" when replying)
All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.
Popeye
>And here's the question: (Please give an honest answer) : Would you select
>colour film, or go with the simplicity of classic black and white?
I hope you're ready to envy him another 4 years.
Popeye
"Naked force has settled more issues in history
than any other factor.The contrary opinion 'violence
never solves anything' is wishful thinking at its worst."
Alan Street
says...
>
>In article <101frir...@corp.supernews.com>,
>"The Real Someone Else" <ma...@mail.com> writes:
>..
>>
>>So you can save the life of George W. Bush, or you can shoot a Pulitzer
>>prize winning photo. A unique photo displaying the death of one of the
>>world's most powerful men.
>>
>>And here's the question: (Please give an honest answer) : Would you select
>>colour film, or go with the simplicity of classic black and white?
>
>Whatever is in my camera -- which will probably be color because I can
>always convert coler to black and white, but not the other way around.
>
>However, the more interesting question here is which type of film is more
>likely to endure the environment you describe and retain a usable image?
>
>
Anything, as long as it's in a NikV.
Alan Street
says...
>
>>From: "The Real Someone Else" ma...@mail.com
>
>
>>And here's the question: (Please give an honest answer) : Would you select
>>colour film, or go with the simplicity of classic black and white?
>
> I hope you're ready to envy him another 4 years.
>
No.
And let me put this in a way that is going to frighten the hell out of the
staunch republicans here.
If a democratic candidate isn't elected president in this election, it's all
but certain that Hillary Clinton will be running in '08, and the chances are
very good that she'll be elected over anyone the republicans can run.
Personally, I'd rather see flight suit boy leave now.
rodney
>
Then lets all vote and get the guy out...isn't that how it works?
Alan Street
>
>> Personally, I'd rather see flight suit boy leave now.
>>
>
>Then lets all vote and get the guy out...isn't that how it works?
>
>
I certainly hope so. Let's just hope it doesn't come down to a close vote again
in Florida :-)
rnf2
"The Real Someone Else" <ma...@mail.com> wrote in message
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b&w
rhys
Greg Mossman
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> > Personally, I'd rather see flight suit boy leave now.
> >
>
> Then lets all vote and get the guy out...isn't that how it works?
Yep. Record turnout in the NH primary means democrats actually want to vote
this year, unlike the last time when so many disliked the choice between
Gore and Bush that they stayed home. More democrats at the ballot boxes and
the lack of a spoiler candidate like Nader means a sure win for Kerrey.
Meanwhile U.S. soldiers continue to die in Iraq just as we finally decided
there never were any WMD over there, the economy is still miserable, and
Bush still has time left to further fuck things up as his job ratings in the
polls continue to drop. It will be a landslide.
Fishbre396
<ma...@mail.com> writes:
>And here's the question: (Please give an honest answer) : Would you select
>colour film, or go with the simplicity of classic black and white?
I'd do B&W.
Chris Guynn
> And here's the question: (Please give an honest answer) : Would you select
> colour film, or go with the simplicity of classic black and white?
>
>
First off, this is not a moral question at al, but an artistic one.
Secondly, I'd use whatever film I already had loaded because I *probably*
wouldn't have time to reload just for this one shot.
Thirdly, if conditions were truly as bad as you claim, I wouldn't be there
in the first place.
Popeye
>If a democratic candidate isn't elected president in this election, it's all
>but certain that Hillary Clinton will be running in '08, and the chances are
>very good that she'll be elected over anyone the republicans can run.
Think positive, dyoood.
>Personally, I'd rather see flight suit boy leave now.
You better sacrifice a chicken or something.
It won't help, but it'll ease the pain.
Richard Faulkner
<rod...@verizon.com> writes
>> Personally, I'd rather see flight suit boy leave now.
>>
>
>Then lets all vote and get the guy out...isn't that how it works?
>
>
That's what you did the last time, and he still got in!
--
Richard
rnf2
"Chris Guynn" <chris...@sbcglobal.N.O.S.P.A.M.net> wrote in message
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You'd go where you are told by the CNN brass... or you won't have a job
anymore, and if you're CNN, you'd have a video cam not a still, so Nikons
V's are out...
rhys
Dazed and Confuzed
Nah, she'll show her true colors well before that. And, if the Republicans are
smart, they'll get Condi Rice to run against her, negating her gender as a reason
to vote for her.
--
Don't like the looks of nudists? Complain to the manufacturer.
Alan Street
>
> Alan Street wrote:
>
> > In article <20040128135120...@mb-m04.aol.com>, buzcu...@aol.com
> > says...
> > >
> > >>From: "The Real Someone Else" ma...@mail.com
> > >
> > >
> > >>And here's the question: (Please give an honest answer) : Would you select
> > >>colour film, or go with the simplicity of classic black and white?
> > >
> > > I hope you're ready to envy him another 4 years.
> > >
> >
> > No.
> >
> > And let me put this in a way that is going to frighten the hell out of the
> > staunch republicans here.
> >
> > If a democratic candidate isn't elected president in this election, it's all
> > but certain that Hillary Clinton will be running in '08, and the chances are
> > very good that she'll be elected over anyone the republicans can run.
> >
> > Personally, I'd rather see flight suit boy leave now.
>
> Nah, she'll show her true colors well before that.
That implies that she isn't showing them now, which I would disagree
with. She's pretty upfront about what she believes in and how she feels.
And, if the Republicans are
> smart,
BIG if.
they'll get Condi Rice to run against her, negating her gender as a
reason
> to vote for her.
>
Rice has a lot of baggage, and I thought it was supposed to be Jeb's
turn to be president.
FreeFloat
"Alan Street" <alan@nonono_irsi.com> wrote in message
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easy setting change.
Chris Guynn
"rnf2" <rn...@NOSPAMwaikato.ac.nz> wrote in message
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They could kiss my ass. I'd have driven up, seen the conditions, and told
them I was going to go farther inland (and find a Marriot or Ramada. At
that point, they can choose to fire me or not, makes little difference to
me. I'm sure as hell not going to risk my life for a stupid picture and
I'll be even less likely to worry about the film I'm using in the process.
>
> rhys
>
>
Chris Guynn
"Dazed and Confuzed" <ded...@netnitco.net> wrote in message
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And backing a minority candidate to boot. How on Earth would the Democrats
ever live up to that?
Chris Guynn
Jeb Bush... now there's a man I surely wouldn't vote for for President. If
the Dem's can't do better than that, I guess I'll just have to waste my vote
on an independant.
Alan Street
>
> "Dazed and Confuzed" <ded...@netnitco.net> wrote in message
> news:40183672...@netnitco.net...
> > Alan Street wrote:
> >
> > > In article <20040128135120...@mb-m04.aol.com>,
> buzcu...@aol.com
> > > says...
> > > >
> > > >>From: "The Real Someone Else" ma...@mail.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Personally, I'd rather see flight suit boy leave now.
> >
> > Nah, she'll show her true colors well before that. And, if the Republicans
> are
> > smart, they'll get Condi Rice to run against her, negating her gender as a
> reason
> > to vote for her.
>
> And backing a minority candidate to boot. How on Earth would the Democrats
> ever live up to that?
Easy. Point out that an Exxon VLCC is named after her.
Chris Guynn
So now, even the big oil companies support minorities... that's even better.
Joe English
What speed is the film?
David Gintz (formerly newdiver2@aol.com)
"Greg Mossman" <mos...@qnet.com> wrote in message
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I'm not sure that it'll be a landslide but we are certainly glad the primary
is finally over and we can get back to our lives here. We've been averaging
3+ calls a day plus door-to-door visits and full mailboxes with all the
campaign stuff!
Now it's back to ski season instead of TV-season!
Michael Wolf
news:101frir...@corp.supernews.com:
I think a video would sell better.
--
Michael Wolf
------------
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Joe English
Dazed and Confuzed wrote:
I would certainly do Condi before Hilliary - I don't think I could do
someone that did Janet Reno!
Laser
wrote:
>Dazed and Confuzed wrote:
>>
>> Alan Street wrote:
>>
>> > In article <20040128135120...@mb-m04.aol.com>, buzcu...@aol.com
>> > says...
>> > >
>> > >>From: "The Real Someone Else" ma...@mail.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>And here's the question: (Please give an honest answer) : Would you select
>> > >>colour film, or go with the simplicity of classic black and white?
>> > >
>> > > I hope you're ready to envy him another 4 years.
>> > >
>> >
>> > No.
>> >
>> > And let me put this in a way that is going to frighten the hell out of the
>> > staunch republicans here.
>> >
>> > If a democratic candidate isn't elected president in this election, it's all
>> > but certain that Hillary Clinton will be running in '08, and the chances are
>> > very good that she'll be elected over anyone the republicans can run.
>> >
>> > Personally, I'd rather see flight suit boy leave now.
>>
>> Nah, she'll show her true colors well before that.
>
>That implies that she isn't showing them now, which I would disagree
>with. She's pretty upfront about what she believes in and how she feels.
She believes, and ( the all time democratic buzz word ) * feels *
....whatever the polls say she should believe and feel. Just like her
estranged hubby.
Laser
Scott McFadden
> In article <20040128135120...@mb-m04.aol.com>, buzcu...@aol.com
> says...
> >
> > I hope you're ready to envy him another 4 years.
> >
>
> No.
>
> And let me put this in a way that is going to frighten the hell out of the
> staunch republicans here.
Just listening to any of Dem' candiates with the exception of
Leiberman (sp?) (and who is not going anywhere) ought to be enough "to
frighten the hell out of" any sane person. Is that Howard Dean fellow
an escaped maniac or what?
> If a democratic candidate isn't elected president in this election, it's all
> but certain that Hillary Clinton will be running in '08, and the chances are
> very good that she'll be elected over anyone the republicans can run.
Yes, of course. Never too early to start thinking about '08, is it,
Alan? That fact clearly displays the tremendous "confidence level" you
have in the current crop of challengers, now doesn't it?
> Personally, I'd rather see flight suit boy leave now.
What you will probably "see" is repeat of '96 when a lackluster Rep'
field failed to produce a candidate that could make a compelling case
for removing an incumbent and was turned away rather easily.
--
SJM
Michael Wolf
<d_gintzREMOVEALLUNDERSCORES@adel_ph_iaDOT_net> wrote in
news:uuOdnfCpbuV...@adelphia.com:
and ice-fishing season?
Scott
news:401814ca$0$75805$6c56...@news.qnet.com...
> Yep. Record turnout in the NH primary means democrats actually want to
vote
> this year, unlike the last time when so many disliked the choice between
> Gore and Bush that they stayed home. More democrats at the ballot boxes
and
> the lack of a spoiler candidate like Nader means a sure win for Kerrey.
> Meanwhile U.S. soldiers continue to die in Iraq just as we finally decided
> there never were any WMD over there, the economy is still miserable, and
> Bush still has time left to further fuck things up as his job ratings in
the
> polls continue to drop. It will be a landslide.
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040128-094014-7323r.htm
Alan Street
Lase...@mindspring.com says...
>>> >
>>> > Personally, I'd rather see flight suit boy leave now.
>>>
>>> Nah, she'll show her true colors well before that.
>>
>>That implies that she isn't showing them now, which I would disagree
>>with. She's pretty upfront about what she believes in and how she feels.
>
>She believes, and ( the all time democratic buzz word ) * feels *
>....whatever the polls say she should believe and feel. Just like her
>estranged hubby.
>
>
>
What is so wrong about polls? In a democratic society, the idea is that the
majority opinion rules. Polling the population is one of the best ways of
determining what the majority wants.
Dazed and Confuzed
But ya gotta stand for something. Hill(Bill)ary stand for whatever the poll
numbers (or the pollsters) say they should stand for. It can change tomorrow.
Lee Bell
> turn to be president.
Never happen. He's have to resign as Governor of Florida to run and, if he
did that, there's be nobody left to stuff the ballot boxes.
Lee
Alan Street
See "War on Drugs" for a shining example of "standing for something" against
the wishes of the people.
Dazed and Confuzed
whaddya mean? Seriously, What's yer point?
rnf2
All well and good if they keep to the desisions after election, most pollies
ham the polls during the campaign, then ignore them afterwards for 3 years,
only returning to hamming it up for polls in the last year before
re-election.
rhys
rnf2
"Michael Wolf" <michae...@advalvasstopspam.be> wrote in message
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rhys
Buff5200
You want to capture that subtle "pink to purple" skin tone change as he
goes down
for the last time.
No let's start the REAL debate - Kodachrome vs Fujichrome vs Digital.
The Real Someone Else wrote:
David Gintz (formerly newdiver2@aol.com)
> "David Gintz \(formerly newd...@aol.com\)"
> <d_gintzREMOVEALLUNDERSCORES@adel_ph_iaDOT_net> wrote in
> news:uuOdnfCpbuV...@adelphia.com:
>
> >
>
Yes, it is ice-fishing season here but I'm not into that. Went past a number
of lakes up north today on my way to the slopes and the ice houses were out
there. Friends tell me that the ice-house races are this weekend.
Apparently, the owners push the houses to a starting line and then push them
across part of the lake to be the first to cross the finish line.
Ice-diving season is probably happening now too, but only for a limited
number of folks. (I did my last dive when it was 44 degrees. Diving wet, I
wouldn't deal with the ice dives.)
Alan Street
wrote:
> No brainer - you have to go with color.
>
> You want to capture that subtle "pink to purple" skin tone change as he
> goes down
> for the last time.
>
> No let's start the REAL debate - Kodachrome vs Fujichrome vs Digital.
>
Assuming there's enough light, how can you go with anything besides
Velvia for such an impact, surreal shot :-)
The cat did it.
Anyone can do color, its a no brainer.
"Alan Street" <alan@nonono_irsi.com> wrote in message
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Alan Street
<bo...@claim.com> wrote:
> As far as I am concerned, B/W is always more than a challenge than color.
> Anyone can do color, its a no brainer.
>
I don't know. In some ways the honestness of B/W (which, of course, is
anthema to flight suit boy) makes it easier to work with. Cheap color
is easy; great color is very, very hard.
Crownfield
and in two counties there,
the voters are not smart enough to do it themselves.
>
> Lee
Michael Wolf
you always try to improvise something or do some smart editing...
--
Michael Wolf
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Cthulhu For President.
froggy
>
> What is so wrong about polls? In a democratic society, the idea is that the
> majority opinion rules. Polling the population is one of the best ways of
> determining what the majority wants.
To me having leaders that would do whatever the majority wants is
populism.
IMHO populism is not, by far, the best form of democracy. Especially
as so-called "populist" leaders tend to become "autocratic" leaders
with time.
So if you want direct democracy you do not use polls, but referendums.
And if you have a representative democracy then you'd better have
leaders that stand for something, otherwise how do you choose between
them?
Cheers,
Froggy
Chris Guynn
"froggy" <hub...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Easy. There's a box at the top of the ballot that says Republicans and
another that says Democrats. You jus choose one and deal with the
consequences when the country goes to hell.
Chris Guynn
"Scott McFadden" <sjm15...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> alan@nonono_irsi.com (Alan Street) wrote in message
news:<101g2pp...@news.supernews.com>...
>
> > In article <20040128135120...@mb-m04.aol.com>,
buzcu...@aol.com
> > says...
> > >
> > > I hope you're ready to envy him another 4 years.
> > >
> >
> > No.
> >
> > And let me put this in a way that is going to frighten the hell out of
the
> > staunch republicans here.
>
> Just listening to any of Dem' candiates with the exception of
> Leiberman (sp?) (and who is not going anywhere) ought to be enough "to
> frighten the hell out of" any sane person. Is that Howard Dean fellow
> an escaped maniac or what?
I haven't been watching the crap that closely, but so far my favorite of the
Dems is Edwards. I'd have to do some research before I decided, but I'd be
pretty torn between him and Bush if it came down to it. IIRC, he did say
some things I didn't agree with in the last interview I saw, but overall I
like him.
Alan Street
Falconer <kpjfa...@aol.com> wrote:
€> Rice has a lot of baggage, and I thought it was supposed to be Jeb's
€> turn to be president.
€
€Rice, as well as many others have had their political careers seriously
€put in jeopardy by their fearless (and mindless) leader. Powell, who once
€had presidential aspirations is all but finished due to the charade of
€the last four years. Cheney, Powell, Ashcroft, and Rummy, have all suffered
€politically for being foolish enough to tow the party line despite the fact
€that the party line defied our constitution and alienated many major players
€in the United Nations. They all took a gamble thinking they were smarter
€than the constitution or the United Nations, they played....they lost.
€
€
I think Powell could still sucessfully run for president, but the
experience of the last four years has turned him off to any further
political service. He won't be coming back for a second term as
Secretary of State if Bush is re-elected (something the democrats
should play up as much as possible - Bush and Company have run off one
of their best men), which is unfortunate. I see Chency, Ashcroft and
Rumsfeld, Cheney especially, as the "power behind the throne." I think
they've dictated the party line, with the brainless puppet out front
doing their bidding
Dazed and Confuzed
Not saying that I agree with you (I don't) but do you have ANYTHING to back up
that statement except your own opinion?
Alan Street
Joe English
Kevin Falconer wrote:
>>Rice has a lot of baggage, and I thought it was supposed to be Jeb's
>>turn to be president.
>
>
> Rice, as well as many others have had their political careers seriously
> put in jeopardy by their fearless (and mindless) leader. Powell, who once
> had presidential aspirations is all but finished due to the charade of
> the last four years. Cheney, Powell, Ashcroft, and Rummy, have all suffered
> politically for being foolish enough to tow the party line despite the fact
> that the party line defied our constitution and alienated many major players
> in the United Nations. They all took a gamble thinking they were smarter
> than the constitution or the United Nations, they played....they lost.
>
> Kevin Falconer Fort Myers, FL
The UN ? Why cite an irrelevant, worthless group? The have no standing
or credibility. When Libya is the representative of the Human Rights
Violations, something has to be seriously wrong.
Dazed and Confuzed
this one.
Alan Street
<ded...@netnitco.net> wrote:
€Alan Street wrote:
€
€> In article <401D1ACA...@netnitco.net>, Dazed and Confuzed
€
€
Here's one:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FA29Aa01.html
"He is seen as not just an extremist, but also a kind of eminence grise
who exercises undue influence over Bush to further a radical
agenda, a notion that was backed by the publication of a
recent book about former treasury secretary Paul
O'Neill, who described Cheney as creating a "kind of
praetorian guard around the president" that blocked out
contrary views."
Dazed and Confuzed
an interesting article. Mostly op-ed, but still, interesting.
Dazed and Confuzed
Of course, this one (by the same publication) kind of contradicts the first....
Michael Wolf
news:D9-dnR1IP_0...@accessus.net:
As much as I hate to admit it: I think you're right. ;-)
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Michael Wolf
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Popeye
>Here's one:
>
>http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FA29Aa01.html
>
>"He is seen as not just an extremist, but also a kind of eminence grise
>who exercises undue influence over Bush to further a radical
>
>agenda, a notion that was backed by the publication of a
>
>recent book about former treasury secretary Paul
>O'Neill, who described Cheney as creating a "kind of
>praetorian guard around the president" that blocked out
>
>contrary views."
You finally got published!!!
Popeye
"Naked force has settled more issues in history
than any other factor.The contrary opinion 'violence
never solves anything' is wishful thinking at its worst."
Grumman-581
> I don't know. In some ways the honestness of B/W (which, of course, is
> anthema to flight suit boy) makes it easier to work with. Cheap color
> is easy; great color is very, very hard.
Step 1 -- Start with Kodachrome 25
Step 2 -- Wait for the sun to go nova for enough light... <grin>
Lee Bell
Black and white is considered to be much more difficult than color. Good
color is really not much harder than good black and white. Both are
difficult.
Lee