To rec.scuba, From a.b.i.u.: my "Hold Your Fire!" post
JR
To rec.scuba's readers:
FYI, below I have cut'n'pasted the text of a message I posted in
alt.binaries.images.underwater about the "take over a.b.i.u" posts
appearing in rec.scuba. Its original title was "Re: Rec.scuba
'takeover' posts: EVERYBODY PLEASE READ"
Regards,
J.R.
a.b.i.u. creator/Admin
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To Jim, Lee, Michael, SBL (Steve), and the newsgroup,
Acting as ABIU's admin, I had ALREADY looked into rec.scuba to
investigate the "takeover" posts, before Jim quoted them here in ABIU.
Here is my opinion, for whatever it's worth.
The best course of action is to "let the matter lie." I'd thought
of doing what Jim did... putting the rec.scuba stuff up for everyone
here to see. I decided it was more strategic to not do so. As a
Usenet veteran, I can assure all of you that responding in rec.scuba
will only prompt a pointless war between the partisan supporters of
each newsgroup.
So, let's just leave this alone, please. Let it lie, and let it
die. Even if you (justifiably) feel provoked by the "take over
a.b.i.u." talk, please DO NOT go pick a fight over in rec.scuba.
Rec.scuba's Usenet Charter-statement makes no mention of underwater
nude photos. Rec.scuba is not a Binary newsgroup, so NO photos/images
are appropriate there. Apparently, a couple of rec.scuba guys were
looking for a place to post their fish pictures without having to go
through the (considerable) effort of creating a newsgroup. They've now
been told there already is another Binary newsgroup for scuba photos on
Usenet. It is alt.binaries.pictures.sports.ocean, and ABPSO's Usenet
Charter-statement does not mention nudes as being "on-topic." But
ABIU's Charter (and FAQ) DOES say that BOTH underwater nudes and fish
images are on-topic, and are welcome here. So, that's that. End of
debate. Period. Scuba-divers now have two Binary newsgroups for their
photos, and can choose to visit one or both. Those who see UW nudity
as offensive pornography can stick to ABSPO. Those who do not, will
enjoy finding ABIU.
And if a couple of guys (only a couple) over in rec.scuba want to
refer to us ABIU-ers as pervs and fags, so what? They aren't saying it
here in ABIU, so forget about it.
I will (as ABIU's creator and Admin, *and* a PADI-certified diver)
go post the a.b.i.u. FAQ in rec.scuba, and invite people there to drop
by our newsgroup for a look. Who knows?... perhaps some of the divers
there are perverts too and have a few tasteful, artistic UW nude images
in their photo collections. <smile>
Regards to all,
J.R.
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Jim Hazen <jimh...@home.com> wrote in a.b.i.u. in article
<352EE80D...@home.com>...
> To All,
>
> This is the excerpt from the thread on Rec.Scuba. I don't want to
> start a fight, but something is fishy here (pun intended).
>
> I like U/W photo's too, as I stated, and I am not an alarmist, but
> read on and you will be a pissed off too.
>
> Jim
>
> -------------------------------------------
> Subject:
> Re: Taking Over Binary Group
> Date:
> Thu, 09 Apr 1998 14:53:45 GMT
> From:
> "kmyoung" <m...@north.net>
> Reply-To:
> "kmyoung" <kmyoung (at) alaska (dot) net>
> Newsgroups:
> rec.scuba
> References:
> 1
>
> Lee Bell wrote in message <352BA276...@ix.netcom.com>...
> >I've decided start a reverse takeover on a news group more often
> >used for pornography than something or interest to us.
>
> I think you're wasting your time. There are other options (see
>below).
>
> >I just uploaded about 30 binary photos I took in Grand Cayman,
> >Cayman Brac, Little Cayman and the Bahamas to the
> >alt.binaries.images.underwater news group. I invite anyone who
> >is interested to visit and take a look. If you do, however, be
> >advised that my photos are the only ones I know of in the group
> >which are non-erotic in nature.
>
> Yep. The perverts and fags have a stronghold on that group. I tried
> posting some stuff there a while back (uw photos, not porno ;-) and I
> got sick and tired of wading thru their crap. Another group that they
> haven't seemed to have 'penetrated' <G> yet is
> alt.binaries.pictures.sports.ocean, and that's where I've been
> posting a few uw pics from time to time.
>
> I seriously doubt that you're going to run off the pervies and fags
> from alt.binaries.images.underwater, but good luck.
>
> >
> >I noted the group, which seemed to be made for posts such as mine,
> >was little used and what little was there, was erotic in nature.
> >I'm probably out of line, but that's how it goes. I invite others
to
> >join me in posting their underwater photography in this formerly
> >underutilized group.
>
> Nope. (see above) Won't do any good unless you want to argue with
> the pervies and fags there. Use alt.binaries.pictures.sports.ocean
> instead and let the fags and pervs jackoff in the pool...
>
> >
> >For those with an interest in my photos, you are welcome to use them
> >free of charge in any commercial, non commercial, electronic or hard
> >copy form you like provided you give me credit for the photo. These
> >are original photos I took and I scanned. They are not copies of
> >someone else's work and are subject to no copyright issues except
> >as stated above. If you decide to use one or more of them, I'd like
> >to know where and how.
>
> By the time I checked out alt.binaries.images.underwater ng, your
>pics had expired and I couldn't see them. Bummer. Again, the other
>group is better, and the last time I posted a pic there, it was up for
a
>week or so.
>
> >Lee.
>
> Regards,
> Michael
> *Auto-replies will (hopefully) bounce