Close call, anyone?
james zachar
went one time with four guys at Monastarry Beach, near Monterrey, CA. We
were in about 1,000 feet of water and didn't know it. The waves on the
surface were very choppy. One of my friends said "Let's see if we can
find the bottom." We all went down about 150 feet and then came back up.
That same friend of mine came up and had a "squeeze" (where air collects
in the stomach and compresses the diaphragm.) Scarred the shit out of me
because he started turning blue and I thought he was going to die. He
was OK after he expelled the air (and a few other things) from his
stomach. Didn't tell us about a "squeeze" in SCUBA class.
Jeff Wilson
about DCS? How about Boyle's law? Regulators? How about fins? I think you
might want to take a refresher course at a reputable shop with certified
instructors. I don't mean this as a personal slam, PLEASE don't take it this
way, but this is one reason that going on dive charters without my own dive
buddy make me a little leary... How much does my partner really know? etc...
I'm having precisely this difficulty right now. I am a new diver
(certified last year) with about 20 dives under my belt. I am not an
'experienced' diver, which I think makes me very cautious. I just moved to
Norfolk, VA, and I don't know any divers down here. I moved from Buffalo,
NY, so of course, I am completely ITCHING to get in the ocean, but I am
worried about finding the right dive shop and dive charters with people who
are knowledgeable and fun, without being crazy yahoos who like to drink a
six pack before hitting the surf.
-Jeff
PS - as was stated before, this post is not meant as a flame to the original
poster, nor is it meant to imply that they are the crazy yahoos that I am
referring to. It just spurred a tangential thought in my head.
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Lee Bell
> I am a new diver (certified last year) with about 20 dives under my
> belt. I am not an 'experienced' diver, which I think makes me very
> cautious. I just moved to Norfolk, VA, and I don't know any divers
> down here. I moved from Buffalo, NY, so of course, I am completely
> ITCHING to get in the ocean, but I am worried about finding the right
> dive shop and dive charters with people who are knowledgeable and fun,
> without being crazy yahoos who like to drink a six pack before hitting
> the surf.
You have valid concerns. Even for experienced divers like myself, who
have been diving in the same general region for a lot of years, this is
a valid concern. My best suggestion is try what we, well I, do. For
starters, I like to get to know the people I dive with. Having an idea
of the kind of person I might dive with gives me some insight into what
to expect from them underwater. I've met some people I dove with here
on rec.scuba and/or on Scuba-L. Unless I'm already very sure of the
ability of a diver (as I am of some divers here and on Scuba-L even
though I haven't actually met them), I plan a relativley safe,
relatively shallow dive. Diving skills tend to be obvious to those who
look for them. If you're good in shallow water, there's a good chance
you're safe in deeper water . . . or won't go into deeper water.
Reasonable caution is part of what makes a good diver. At any rate,
judge the skills of those you meet and gradually increase the complexity
of the dives you do together. Don't be surprised if your new buddies
are assessing you just as much as you assess them.
The only thing remaining is to figure a way to meet potential buddies in
the first place. Because I have boats and belong to a boat club, I have
no shortage of opportunities to meed new divers. Not everyone is so
lucky (or willing to spend so much money). I suggest visiting some of
the local dive shops, talking with the staff, talking with other
customers. Sooner or later, I hope, you'll find a shop you like.
Shops you like are likely to have customers you like as well. You might
also like to check into dive clubs in your area. Many shops have them.
It can be a good deal for the customers and for the shop. If nothing
else, it gives you someone to talk diving with.
Lee
PS: Squeeze, as described in the original post, was not taught in my
course either.
Clark Anderson
> I don't know any divers
> down here. I moved from Buffalo, NY, so of course, I am completely
> ITCHING to get in the ocean, but I am worried about finding the right
> dive shop and dive charters with people who are knowledgeable and fun,
> without being crazy yahoos who like to drink a six pack before hitting
> the surf.
Probably the best thing to do is join a local dive club. Most (not all)
people who belong to scuba clubs are fairly serious about their
diving and want to do it safely. You'll get to meet a lot of folks,
find buddies, go out on club charters, etc.
--clark
Gary Shumway
"Squeeze", as defined in the original post, was not discussed in my OW or
AOW training. Squeeze was discussed in relation to ears and mask but never
as in the original post. Regardless, it is food for thought.
Gary
Lee Bell wrote in message <35FBD047...@ix.netcom.com>...
>Jeff Wilson wrote:
>
>> I am a new diver (certified last year) with about 20 dives under my
>> belt. I am not an 'experienced' diver, which I think makes me very
>> cautious. I just moved to Norfolk, VA, and I don't know any divers
>> down here. I moved from Buffalo, NY, so of course, I am completely
>> ITCHING to get in the ocean, but I am worried about finding the right
>> dive shop and dive charters with people who are knowledgeable and fun,
>> without being crazy yahoos who like to drink a six pack before hitting
>> the surf.
>
Kenneth A. Smith
>
> I concur with Lee.
> "Squeeze", as defined in the original post, was not discussed in my OW or
> AOW training. Squeeze was discussed in relation to ears and mask but never
> as in the original post. Regardless, it is food for thought.
But...is it for real ? what is it, what causes it and why have we never
heard of it ? I have never seen _anything in print and have neaver
heard it discussed.....maybe just a bad case of indigestion or a prelude
to an underwater fishfeeding ?
Ken
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re: stomach squeeze
> But...is it for real ? what is it, what causes it and why have we never
> heard of it ? I have never seen _anything in print and have neaver
> heard it discussed.....maybe just a bad case of indigestion or a prelude
> to an underwater fishfeeding ?
I've been keeping my mouth shut. Maybe someone would like to ask DAN about
this type of squeeze. As for me? I think it's the start of another diving
myth like the ruptured stomach. The concept is that you sw9allow compressed
air at depth and as you rise it expands. I can see where it might put a
little pressure on the diaphragm but I sincerely doubt it could stop you from
breathing. Gee whiz. All you gotta do is burp fer chrissakes. Lot's of people
are aerophages (air swallowers) and it doesn't seem to stop them from diving.
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air, and let go... Do this at 150 feet, 2 or 3 times, ascend 100 feet, and
see what happens... ( NOT reccommended BTW ) less pressure at 50 feet will
have expanded the air in your stomach enough to create a huge squeeze and
make for a big burp at the least.
I know of people who unintentionally swallow air witout really realizing
they do. Maybe this guy did...
The rule "never hold your breath while diving" should read : "never hold
your breath/burp while diving"
Enjoy....
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>Gary Shumway wrote:
>>
>> I concur with Lee.
>> "Squeeze", as defined in the original post, was not discussed in my OW or
>> AOW training. Squeeze was discussed in relation to ears and mask but
never
>> as in the original post. Regardless, it is food for thought.
>
>But...is it for real ? what is it, what causes it and why have we never
>heard of it ? I have never seen _anything in print and have neaver
>heard it discussed.....maybe just a bad case of indigestion or a prelude
>to an underwater fishfeeding ?
>
>Ken
H.F.
Mountain.
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On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:24:03 -0700, "Kenneth A. Smith"
<kasm...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>Gary Shumway wrote:
>>
>> I concur with Lee.
>> "Squeeze", as defined in the original post, was not discussed in my OW or
>> AOW training. Squeeze was discussed in relation to ears and mask but never
>> as in the original post. Regardless, it is food for thought.
>
>But...is it for real ? what is it, what causes it and why have we never
>heard of it ? I have never seen _anything in print and have neaver
>heard it discussed.....maybe just a bad case of indigestion or a prelude
>to an underwater fishfeeding ?
>
>Ken
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> Good point! I have never heard reference to air in stomach either! It
> would expand on ascent and cause problems. wouldn't it???
A squeeze of this type is probably better defined as a referse squeeze.
Most "squeeze" issues we deal with are from the outside in. This one,
like reverse ear squeeze, is from the inside out.
In order for gas in the stomach to expand enough to cause a problem, the
diver would have to have injested the air or developed the gas while
under pressure. Air originally in the stomach would compress and return
to its original volume. It would be no worse a probem on ascent than it
was on the surface at the beginning of the dive.
Personally, I've never had any indication of problems. Then again, I've
never been hesitant to burp when the spirit, or indigestion, moved me.
Lee
Stranger
> It would expand on ascent
Yes.
> and cause problems. wouldn't it???
No.
The only problem it can cause is a heartburn after the dive.
Dive...@webtv.net
years. Let's see, the last close call I can remember was February 18th,
1995. My team had been sent to search an ice covered lake, about two
and a half acres, for a shotgun used in a homocide in this jurisdiction.
The ice covered the entire lake with the exception of a very small area
no the North end where the feeder stream came in. The cap was seven
inches thick. At the time, I was the only member on the team trained
for overhead dives as well as the only one equiped with dry suit, twin
80s, and a Kirby Morgan band mask. That turned out to be a good thing.
It was a beautiful day. The air temp started out at twenty-eight
degrees but quickly reached the low fifties by 1000 hours. I suited up
while a couple of the other team members went out and opened a 4'X4"
port in the center of the ice.
Beside me, suiting up as well, in a Henderson, Glaiser wet suit, was the
assistant team leader. Short of my O.S. Systems suit, the Glaiser suits
were the closest thing to a dry suit that anyone else on the team had at
the time. The assistant team leader was going to be my back up. We
went over the plan for the search. We had elected to let one of the new
guys on the team act as line handler. This was his fist call out and we
hadn't signed him off to do actual searches yet.
The air temp was rising fast and anyone who has ever dove a dry suit
with the thermals on under it can tell you how fast you heat up in air.
I donned my tanks and headed for the hole. The reel of search line was
already laying on the deck and when I reached it I snatched the "D"
ring, that was attached to the line, up off the Ice and clipped it to my
belt. I was melting. I told the surface team that I was in and stepped
off into the water. Man did it ever feel good. The visibility was
shitty, as it is with most of our searches. Seems that nobody every
throws anything in nice clear, warm water.
I headed for the bottom, only about eighteen feet down. It was black
water there. I settled out and adjusted my weights to give me a slight
head down position and started what I throught to be a 360 search.
After about eight or ten minutes I noticed that I hadn't felt the pull
of the search line at my waist for a while. I stopped and felt for the
"D" ring on the left side of my belt. There was nothing there. I felt
again, thinking that I just missed it, still nothing. I planted my fin
tip in the muddy bottom and quickly did a 360 around to see if the line
was close. I found nothing.
My brain began to spin, I could feel panic racing out of the back of my
brain. And then a little voice said, Hey, dumb ass, settle down or
you'll burn up all of your air. I sank to my knees and started to
think. OK, you dropped in and went to the left. Go back up to the ice
and run some passes to the right and try to re-locate the hole.
Funny how your brain can start to freak one minute and then suddenly
switch back to rational thinking the next.
I headed to the ice cap and started making my passes moving to the right
a little each time. the vis was good enough at the ice that I could
read my gauges but I could see through the ice. After twelve passes, I
still hadn't found the hole.
OK, what's next. I remembered that the feeder stream on the North end
of the lake was clear. Could I get up in it? Hell, could I even find
it? Well there was only one way to find out. I took a Northern bearing
and headed for it. Before long the water started getting shallow, very
shallow. It got to the point where my tanks were dragging on the ice
and my chest was in the mud. I was pulling myself along. I finally got
to the point where I could go no further. I didn't know how close to
the feeder stream I was, or if I was even near it. But I had to try
something. I planted both of my hands flat on the bottom and started to
push up with my tanks against the ice. I thought that if I had gotten
close to the feeder stream the ice should be thinner there, When I
pushed, both my hands and arms went down in the mud up to my elbows.
Now what? I managed to free my hands from the mud and started to think
again.
I knew that the guys had to be frantic. I figured that they were trying
to conduct some kind of search for me. I had to help them. I worked my
right hand in under my chest and managed to get my dive knife out.
Holding it by the blade, I began tapping out SOS on the bottom of the
ice.
While I was laying there tapping, for what seemed like hours, I had time
for a great deal of thought. I made my peace with God and asked that if
it was my time, would he take care of my family. And let them know that
I went doing two of the things in life that I treasured the most,
diving, and fighting crime. I asked God not to let the team fall apart.
But to learn from this and move on. A most of all I thanked him for
letting me live so much in my life time.
After making my peace a strange feeling came over me. A calm, quiet
feeling. I couldn't even hear my bubbles anymore. I knew I was
breathing. I had even started skip breathing when I found that I
couldn't get any further North in the mud. Then, like a whisper in my
mind, a soft voice said, "it's not your time, there is much you must do
first". I don't know if it was a word from God or fear or survival
instinct, but something told me to keep tapping. And I did. With in
seconds of my senses returning, or maybe what brought my back to my
senses, I heard stomping and yelling on the ice above me. They had
found me.
The next thing I felt was a hard thud on the ice above me. My next
thought was "I don't know how long I've been under here, I don't know
how much air I have left. They've found me, and now they are going to
cut me up with an axe. Yes, I forgot to bring the chain saw, and we had
to use an axe to cut the entry hole in the ice. And now my rescuers
would have to free my with that same axe.
The pounding on the top of the ice continued for several minutes but the
axe blade never touched me. Sometimes I forget how well trained they
are. The next thing I felt was a hand grab my wrist and pull my hand
through a small hole in the ice. I gave my team the OK signal and
motioned that I needed to be cut out of the ice. The hand that had
pulled mine up through the ice kept pushing my hand to the left. I
didn't understand. Suddenly, he shoved my hand back down through the
hole and I felt two hands grab me on the left side. One on my upper
left arm and one on my tank harness. Then I was being dragged to the
left. Within three feet of where I was laying, the team had cut a nice
4'X4' hole through which I could escape. And that's exactly what I did.
When I stood up through the opening in the ice the water was less than
knee deep. It was nice to see day light again and even nicer to see my
team members, some with the hint of a tear in their eye and a heavy sigh
of relief. They immediately set about getting me out of my gear. I
looked at my pressure gauge. It showed five hundred pounds, about half
an hour more. I looked around just to see how close I had gotten to the
feeder stream. I was within thirty feet of it and heading straight at
it. It was just too shallow. The dive op ended for the day. We never
did find the shotgun. It was never in the lake to begin with. Word has
it that it's buried in a thick part of the many acres of woods around
the lake. It doesn't matter anyway. The shooter went to trial and was
still convicted. He's now serving fifty years for murder one.
I didn't know it until afterwards, but the team was actually doing two
searches for me. One under the ice and the other on top of the ice.
The surface team could hear me tapping but couldn't tell where it was
coming from. So they broke up in two man teams and started doing a
cross walk grid on the ice until one of them could feel me tapping under
his feet.
The outcome of the investigation of the incident was that the solid
steel "D" ring on the end of the search line had laid on the ice long
enough to freeze up. When I hastily clipped it on my belt I failed to
check that it was secured properly. In fact the spring clip had stayed
open and within two minutes of my entering the water, had fallen free
without my noticing it. When my back up diver felt the line go limp he
immediatly pulled it back in. The clip was still wide open and coated
with ice.
A lot has changed in the last three years because of this incident.
There are new SOPs and procedures to handle these types of situatioins.
Our team has grown, both in members and in equipment. Everyone has a
full face mask, twin 80s and a dry suit now. And me, I look at my team
in a differant light now. Not so much as team leader to team members as
I did in the past. Now I see them as my brothers, my other family. And
I am proud to call them my team, my friends.
Close calls? Yea, I've had a few.
Bill Pifer
Team Leader
Frederick Co. Sheriff's Office
Underwater Search & Recovery Team
Stranger
> I think it's the start of another diving myth like the ruptured stomach.
Straight to the point, colleague.
Marc H. Po
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Cas (A2000) <c...@fibre.a2000.nl> wrote in article
<6thaj3$75o$1...@newton.a2000.nl>...
> Think about it... never tried to burp on purpose ?? swallow a mouthfull
of
> air, and let go... Do this at 150 feet, 2 or 3 times, ascend 100 feet,
and
> see what happens... ( NOT reccommended BTW ) less pressure at 50 feet
will
> have expanded the air in your stomach enough to create a huge squeeze and
> make for a big burp at the least.
>
> I know of people who unintentionally swallow air witout really realizing
> they do. Maybe this guy did...
>
> The rule "never hold your breath while diving" should read : "never hold
> your breath/burp while diving"
>
> Enjoy....
>
> Kenneth A. Smith wrote in message <35FC0D...@ix.netcom.com>...
ATS III
>heard of it ? I have never seen _anything in print and have neaver
>heard it discussed.....maybe just a bad case of indigestion or a prelude
>to an underwater fishfeeding ?
>
I'm in the middle of my class work (via the PADI CD ROM) for my basic
certification. So this is still fresh for me. This is a paraphrase from the
book from the PADI OW course, Module One.
The squeeze being refered to is a reverse squeeze. It is the air inside at a
greater pressure than the water outside. It can occur in the ears and sinuses
if you get congested and the air can't escape through the eustacion tubes due
to blockage. It can also form in the stomach from gas producing foods. A very
rare form is from air trapped under a filling.
If it occurs, stop the ascent and allow the air to work it's way out.
Bert Stevens (ats...@aol.com)
If you don't have time to do it right the first time, when are you going to
have time to do it over?
Gary Shumway
I particularly thought it good because I got my ice diver cert in MN last
winter. Thinking back on it what would you have done different once you
found yourself disconnected? We were instructed to maintain contact with
the rope but obviously we were just rec divers not USR. Do you think your
back-up diver would have found you if you had remained in place. We were
instructed to head to the bottom of the ice & hold there unless we could see
the lines (four radiating lines (~100') were cut on the surface of the ice)
leading back to the hole. Tapping on the ice was a great idea!
Thanks again...you mentioned other close calls????...
Gary
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>>But...is it for real ? what is it, what causes it and why have we never
>>heard of it ? I have never seen _anything in print and have neaver
>>heard it discussed.....maybe just a bad case of indigestion or a prelude
>>to an underwater fishfeeding ?
>>
>
>I'm in the middle of my class work (via the PADI CD ROM) for my basic
>certification. So this is still fresh for me. This is a paraphrase from
the
>book from the PADI OW course, Module One.
>
> The squeeze being refered to is a reverse squeeze. It is the air inside
at a
>greater pressure than the water outside. It can occur in the ears and
sinuses
>if you get congested and the air can't escape through the eustacion tubes
due
>to blockage.
Yeah...that's the part I remembered...didn't remember "...in the stomach
from gas producing foods." but did remember under a tooth (worked for a
Dental School for years so I guess there's selective memory there). Thank
you Bert for the refresher!
Has anyone (other than original post) had reverse squeeze in their stomachs?
What about the small & large intestines (now that's more stuff to think
about & digest).
I agree that it seems a bit far fetched that reverse squeeze would cause
someone "...to turn blue and unable to breath..." on the surface ... agree
that is seems that reverse peristallisis, belching, or flatulance would take
care of the problem. The esophagus/buccal cavity and/or rectal spinctor are
much larger than the eustacion tube (especially among some of the 'divers'
who post here).
Mike Gray
> Lot's of people
> are aerophages and it doesn't seem to stop them from diving.
Another example of lax standards that let every Tom, Dick, and Aerophage to get a
Ccard!
We don't allow no stinking aerophages in GOOOWWEEE!!
regards
m
H.F.
I can't imagine what I would do in the same situation.
Howard F.
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>years.
Wow, that's some story. Thanks for sharing it.
kim
Jason O'Rourke
>heard of it ? I have never seen _anything in print and have neaver
>heard it discussed.....maybe just a bad case of indigestion or a prelude
>to an underwater fishfeeding ?
A buddy of mine suffered a rather bad case of abdominal cramps after doing
a drop off the side of Monastery. We hit 115', I think. Fortunately, the
wetsuit was rented.
As for burping, I do it a lot. especially on a longer dive.
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>Close calls? Yea, I've had a few.
>
> Bill Pifer
> Team Leader
> Frederick Co. Sheriff's Office
> Underwater Search & Recovery Team
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Yes it could cause you extreme discomfort. If food is being digested
while diving, it can cause gas to form. This gas can form at depth.
Upon ascent, this gas can become trapped in the intestinal areas.
Most time this can be relieved by burping or flatuating. If the gas
is trapped in the intestinal area, it can be very uncomfortable.
Given the rules of gas in a flexible container, this gas bubbles can
expand to many times it's original size. The body is able to handle
this through "off gassing" it.
Foods that are known to produce gas should be avoided. Most notably
beans, cabbage, onions ...yes onions ... are among these foods.
Advice ....dont burritto and dive ....
Jeff Hornsby
PADI Divemaster
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>> >But...is it for real ? what is it, what causes it and why have we never
>> >heard of it ? I have never seen _anything in print and have neaver
>> >heard it discussed.....maybe just a bad case of indigestion or a prelude
>> >to an underwater fishfeeding ?
>> >
>> >Ken
>>
>>
>>
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Islands. ;-)
A few suggestions: (1) put the NOSPAM insert in your domain so your
ISP won't have to deal with the UCE either; (2) use something more
neutral than NOSPAM, which is automatically filtered out by
sophisticated spambots; (3) the only truly effective technique (short
of anonymous posting) is to bug your ISP to "ping" all incoming
e-mails for a valid return address. I've heard that there may also be
some non-UNIX e-mail programs that can do the same.
BTW, you haven't completely eliminated the triple x's from your Usenet
settings (see above).
Mike Pearson <see .sig>
> Ya ya ya ya....
>
>
>
> But, hey, I gotta do anything I can't to keep these shits from sending
> me misspelled diploma offers and enhancements for my sexual prowess.
>
> H
>
Howard:
Aside from the fact that the junk FAX law has never been
successfully applied to any junk email, no spammer will ever read a
single word of any of that; they use Usenet scanning bots to basically
just strip out the "From:" line from the newsfeed (most even ignore the
"Reply To:" line, so some people put their real email address there
without a tremendous increase in their spamload).
Also, if you are munging your address to foil spamrats, please
try to do it on the *right* side of the "@". The way you have yours,
every email that gets sent to you will have to be processed by
iname.com, who will have to receive it, determine that videoXXX isn't a
real user on the system and then generate a bounce message to the
spammer, who probably is using a false address, so the bounce will
itself bounce back to iname.com. If you change it to
add...@XXXiname.com this will help to avoid all of the extra load on
your provider. I'm sure they will apreciate it. (Also, check the WHOIS
database to insure that whatever you put on the right side isn't a real
domain...otherwise you have just shifted the load to someone else's
system.)
For more tips or info, drop in to the news.admin.net-abuse.email
group; there are a lot of folks there that can help you trace and kill
off the accounts of the spamrats that are inundating you.
Hope this helps, and you don't feel that I'm picking on you or
anything!
--
Mike
NAR #70953 - Sr/Insured/Level-1 ~ SeaNAR - The Seattle NAR Section #568
NO Junk Email, please! Real email to: amphoto [at] blarg [dot] net.
<WARNING: Do not look into laser beam with remaining eye!>
K. Richard Pixley
> Good point! I have never heard reference to air in stomach either! It
> would expand on ascent and cause problems. wouldn't it???
As a recently certified PADI OW, it was covered in my class. And in
the open water briefing on what to do, (and not do, like eat greasy
breakfast), the day of the dives.
No recommendations on how to clear such a reverse squeeze, though.
--rich
Stranger
> The esophagus/buccal cavity and/or rectal spinctor are
> much larger than the eustacion tube (especially among some of the 'divers'
> who post here).
LOL!!! That is very funny comment. Thanx. I needed a laugh.You know, you just
reminded me somebody's post here about water getting in their ears behind the
ear drum through the eustachian tube. So, following his/her logic, I want to ask
something.
Do a lot of divers get an enema during the dive? Does it depend on an ambient
pressure? Any experiences? Close calls?
w...@webtv.net
jsa...@bob.kayescholer.com wrote:
>
> call or not. When I see a header for a 158 line
WebTV posting, my
> immediate thought is, "ugh, another 12 year old
posting an html laden
> 'mee two.'" This post was both an unexpected joy and
a bit of a smack
> to my Usenet prejudices. Thank you for both.
>
Jesse...Thanks for admitting to your unfounded and
now-a-thing-of-the-past webtv prejudices. Yes webtv has
a LOT of imbassels (that includes people who can`t spell
"imbassel") but a lot of us are just like you, but have
no use for a full computer system. Sorry for posting
this here but it`s not often a PC user shows civility
towards a webtv`r and I appreciate it.
RCole35032
they did tell you the recreational limit was 130
feet.You and your friends broke the rules and paid the price.
Bob Crownfield
>
> they did tell you the recreational limit was 130
> feet.You and your friends broke the rules and paid the price.
Hello ! does anyone have a spare clue ?? This poster may never have
thought in his / her/ it's life. no sign of thought here!
--
Bob Crownfield: Pilot, Photographer, Diver, Delphi RAD addict
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Unsolicited commercial email in violation of federal code
will be addressed in court.