Regulator hose left or right ?
Al
wrong side. When I brought the hose over my left shoulder the second stage
was upside down. My question - are regulators made so they can be set up on
the right or left?
This was the first time I used this shop for service, is this a common or
easy mistake to make or should I go to a different shop next time?
Thanks,
Al
Scubadoooo
You just have to rotate it.
But for the most part a regulator should come over your right shoulder along
with your octopus going under your right arm.
This leaves the left side free for your BC inflator hose and your dive
computer if you have one.
mike gray
Most regs are made for the hose on the right. A few, like some Poseidons
and Oceanics, are ambidextrous.
The mistake was a careless one. Shall we assume the tech was not as
careless on the internals?
Alfred Tessier
"mike gray" <omy...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Lets hope!
I did one dive and it worked fine, except that I had to bring it over my
left shoulder and when I turned my head to the right it pulled out of my
mouth.
I still had fun, that's what counts:
Al
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wrote:
Call it to their attention. Go somewhere else if they do it again.
John Francis
Ben Bradlee
190 (I think) refitted to come from the opposite side. It looks as if the
hose connections will work from either direction. I did not get a
satisfactory answer. The guy told me something about threads being
opposite. That really made no sense to me. Sort of like the answers you
have gotten so far. I hope somebody does know the answer.
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Brian Nadwidny
was a 190 or 380. If you're interested I'll find out.
FWIW some regs can be swapped over. Some can't.
Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
Lee Bell
> wrong side. When I brought the hose over my left shoulder the second stage
> was upside down. My question - are regulators made so they can be set up
on
> the right or left?
It all depends on the first and second stages. Some first stages have more
than one HP port. All have at least three low pressure ports. Some have
one low pressure port with higher performance characteristics than the other
ports, the one generally intended for the primary. Some have swivels and at
least one has a low pressure port coming out of the top of the barrel
instead of the sides. Some second stages are designed to be used with the
hose coming from either the left or the right. In short, there is a wide
variety of ways regulators can be set up.
Generally speaking, regulators are set up for the primary and secondary to
come off the right side and the SPG and inflator off the left. As has been
mentioned in recent posts, however, there's nothing magic about this setup.
It's simply the most common. Plenty of people like their alternate to come
from the left and some like their SPG on the right.
Whatever works for you, works for you unless, of course, you're diving with
a DIR team. DIR teams generally stipuate identical set up so that all team
members have the same things in the same place. Interestingly, my kit is
clearly DIR-L. It's close enough to standard DIR that you would expect a
shop that knows DIR, as mine does, to set it up according to DIR standards.
The last time my kit was serviced, the alternate was set up for a left hand
feed. When run from the right side, it was upside down. Go figure. My
regulator is designed to allow feed from either side, but it's not a simple
hose change. The internal components have to be disassembled and
reassembled in reverse.
Lee
Lee Bell
> Your question is interesting. I just asked if I could have my Scubapro R
> 190 (I think) refitted to come from the opposite side. It looks as if the
> hose connections will work from either direction. I did not get a
> satisfactory answer. The guy told me something about threads being
> opposite. That really made no sense to me. Sort of like the answers you
> have gotten so far. I hope somebody does know the answer.
My R380 and my G250 can both be set up with the hose coming from either
side. It is not, however, a simple movement of the hose. The internal
components have to be moved as well. I would be very surprised if your R190
were different, but it's possible. I'd check with Scuba Pro. If you find
it is reversable and the person who told you the threads are different is
the technician that works on your regulators, I'd start looking for a new
shop.
Lee
Ben Bradlee
be changed and it is relatively simple to make the change, I'm thinking it
is the way to go for a backup regulator. TIA.
"Brian Nadwidny" <bnad...@excite.com> wrote in message
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Ben Bradlee
apparent ability led me to wonder if it could be configured either way. The
guy I asked was a tech instructor providing information on routing regulator
hoses for doubles. His opinion was that the secondary, backup, should start
from the first stage, left side of the body, and route around the back the
neck to the chest where it is held in place with a neck-strap. It seems the
routing would be greatly simplified if the hose comes over the left
shoulder.
I suspected less than accurate information when he could not correctly
identify his dive buddies 300 bar DIN manifold as such. No, I am not
kidding. We beat that subject to death here on the newsgroup and I am
firmly convinced that I do know the difference! Since he was demonstrating
gear, he should have known too.
"Lee Bell" <lee...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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mike gray
John Francis wrote:
>
> >Call it to their attention. Go somewhere else if they do it again.
>
> Better yet, get them to rectify it.
But easier to fix it yerself.
mike gray
Ben Bradlee wrote:
>
> Your question is interesting. I just asked if I could have my Scubapro R
> 190 (I think) refitted to come from the opposite side. It looks as if the
> hose connections will work from either direction. I did not get a
> satisfactory answer. The guy told me something about threads being
> opposite. That really made no sense to me. Sort of like the answers you
> have gotten so far. I hope somebody does know the answer.
Depending on the first stage, you have one or more lp ports on the left
side, two or more on the right. You have one or more hp ports on the
left side, none or one on the right. The hp and lp ports are different
sizes.
Generally, yer first is set up with the up side up, two seconds (lp) on
the right, an inflator (lp) and the spg (hp) on the left. With a
crescent wrench and inversion of the first you can make all sorts of
variations on that theme, limited only by number and placement of ports.
Charlie Hammond
"Al" <gone_...@att.net> writes:
>After having the annual service done on my regulator the hose was on the
>wrong side. ...
This sounds pretty careless of them!
> ... should I go to a different shop next time?
If you have used this shop before and been satisfied, go talk to them.
Otherwise it is time to find a different shop.
--
Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach FL USA
(hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)
All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.
Philip Kleine
"Ben Bradlee" <kjoh...@splinteredrocktelbiteme.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Your question is interesting. I just asked if I could have my Scubapro R
> 190 (I think) refitted to come from the opposite side. It looks as if the
> hose connections will work from either direction. I did not get a
> satisfactory answer. The guy told me something about threads being
> opposite. That really made no sense to me. Sort of like the answers you
> have gotten so far. I hope somebody does know the answer.
>
shop , he confirmed that it is possible and easy to do. However, he said it
needs a nearly complete disassembly, so he suggested to do it at the next
regular service, when he could do it at no extra cost.
Philip
mike gray
Philip Kleine wrote:
>
> "Ben Bradlee" <kjoh...@splinteredrocktelbiteme.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:uc6la79...@corp.supernews.com...
> > Your question is interesting. I just asked if I could have my Scubapro R
> > 190 (I think) refitted to come from the opposite side. It looks as if the
> > hose connections will work from either direction. I did not get a
> > satisfactory answer. The guy told me something about threads being
> > opposite. That really made no sense to me. Sort of like the answers you
> > have gotten so far. I hope somebody does know the answer.
> >
> The manual of my R190 says it is possible. When I asked the mechanic at my
> shop , he confirmed that it is possible and easy to do. However, he said it
> needs a nearly complete disassembly, so he suggested to do it at the next
> regular service, when he could do it at no extra cost.
Just mount the freakin thing upside down. You need a tech for that?
Lee Bell
about as knowledgeable as it's possible to get. Generally, they're the ones
that started long ago and evolved into their present level. They could
teach everything except that which requires scientific testing to know, like
deco for example. Those with the most money generally lead in that area.
There are, however, a whole flock of tech divers who's primary source of
information is that they were told by someone else. So long as they are
within the environment they were told for, they often appear to be as good
as anyone. When something unique happens or they are outside of their
specialized environment, they quite often lack what it takes to get it
right, let alone do it right.
Note that I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular. All the tech
groups I've encountered over the years seem to have their share of both
types. On the other hand, the more famous they are, the more flock seems to
follow. YMMV.
The DIR configuration is quite specific about what should go where. You'll
have to get one of them to tell you why the secondary comes from the right.
I'm guessing there's a reason. Mine comes from the right primarily because
that's where it's always been and, lacking a reason to change, I haven't.
It's on a necklace because I believe that's the best place for it.
Lee
Alan Street
<kjoh...@splinteredrocktelbiteme.net> wrote:
ý Your question is interesting. I just asked if I could have my Scubapro R
ý 190 (I think) refitted to come from the opposite side. It looks as if the
ý hose connections will work from either direction. I did not get a
ý satisfactory answer. The guy told me something about threads being
ý opposite. That really made no sense to me. Sort of like the answers you
ý have gotten so far. I hope somebody does know the answer.
ý
ý
Both the R190 and R380 are "ambidexterous," in that the hose can be
attached to either side of the second stage. Switching the hose from
one side to the other is a fairly simple operation of taking off the
hose, front cover and diaphragm, then unscrewing the cylinder, removing
the blank end cap, reversing the cylinder and re-assembling the
regulator. If you do everything right, lever height doesn't change the
the reg stays in tune (sort of). Someone who tells you the threads are
opposite is either clueless, or trying to bullshit you with how
"difficult and complex" regulators are, and how they should only be
touched by "highly skilled and factory trained" service "technicians."
Either way, it sounds to me like it's time to find a better place to
have your regulators serviced.
Alan
John Mason Jr.
"Ben Bradlee" <kjoh...@splinteredrocktelbiteme.net> wrote in message
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> The regulator looks like it will accept the hose from either side. That
> apparent ability led me to wonder if it could be configured either way.
The
> guy I asked was a tech instructor providing information on routing
regulator
> hoses for doubles. His opinion was that the secondary, backup, should
start
> from the first stage, left side of the body, and route around the back the
> neck to the chest where it is held in place with a neck-strap. It seems
the
> routing would be greatly simplified if the hose comes over the left
> shoulder.
Over the left shoulder can get in the way of the inflator
John
S_chewba
"Al" <gone_...@att.net> skrev i melding
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All "newer" Scubapro regs (R190 - S 600T) can be set up with the hose on
left and right side.
It's a fairly easy "operation" to switch it from right to left.
Considering that an overwhelming majority of the divers have their hose
fitted to the right side of the 2nd stage I assume that it's not a "common
or easy mistake to make". Had it been the other way around I guess it could
be considered at least "not uncommon", but that's just a guess.
However, the fact that it was fitted on the left side instead of the right
doesn't affect the performance of the regulator or tell much about the
service other than that is was assembeled differently than it was when you
delivered your regs to have it serviced.
It's not an uncommon practise to just replace the LP seat on the 2nd stage
during the service and relube the o-rings where the hose is fitted to the
2nd stage before tuning it during a annual service. That your regs was
assembeled like you described suggest that he atleast were more thourough
with his service than just the described "short version".
To use Scubapro repair tecnichian "guru" Pete Wolfingers words; "the prudent
service tecnichian would not have done what you described".
If you should go to a different shop next time ?
Depends on alot of things that no rec.scubans can give you a good answer
for. He may be a good service tecnichian or he may not.
S_chewba
Philip Kleine
"mike gray" <omg...@worldnet.att.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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When the technician explained it to me, it seemed as if it wasn't _that_
simple, so I thought it was better to first watch him how to assemble it
that way. But if that's really all to do, you're right, there should be no
need to have it done by him.
mike gray
My error. I thought you were talking first stage, not second. Still not
a big deal, but if ya don't know regs, better to let the tech do it.
It's a five minute job if he's slow.
Brian Nadwidny
He's going to switch it back because it gets in the way of the LP
inflator hose. It is not the way to go for a backup.
Lee Bell
> Over the left shoulder can get in the way of the inflator
What inflator? I can't figure any way it would get in the way of the
BCD/wing inflator.
Lee
OldSalt
wrote:
Lee... I think he means that it may be a pain having your reg hose
come over your left shoulder when your BC inflator hose is also
mounted on the left. IOW, if you hold your inflator hose straight up
to empty air from your BC and your reg hose is there too, if could
pull a bit on your reg. Tilting your body to the right side and
turning your head to the right might help with that. I'm taking a
guess though... never tried my reg on the left.
Brian Nadwidny
I don't know either but a buddy of mine did a switch where he had the
backup come over the left shoulder so I asked him about it and he said
it got in the way of the LP/inflator hose so he's switching back.
Mildly amusing recollection: I used to have my backup on the left side
and when this thread came up I couldn't recall having a problem with it
getting hung up on the LP/inflator hose. Then I remembered that at the
time I didn't wear a BC with my drysuit. I also remembered that I would
sometimes stow the reg and SPG ala Blacky. Kind of gives the phrase "gas
sharing" a whole new meaning.
Brian
Edmonton, Alberta
John Mason Jr.
"OldSalt" <babet...@no-spamhotmail.com> wrote in message
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Yes that was my intent thanks for clarifying for me.
Another reason for having reg on right is you could vent gas from BC while
recovering a dropped reg.
The backup reg on an open water gear set up should come from the right to
facilitate air sharing ascents
facing each other grasping right arms or BC shoulder straps
left hand holding inflator up to vent gas as you ascend.
But the primary issue should be your comfort with where the gear is and
making sure your buddy is aware of your rig.
John
OldSalt
<john.m...@autostradeint.com> wrote:
>Yes that was my intent thanks for clarifying for me.
You're welcome. But I'm sure Lee really didn't need me to clarify it.
He's a very experienced diver ... I think he probably just misread.
>Another reason for having reg on right is you could vent gas from BC while
>recovering a dropped reg.
>The backup reg on an open water gear set up should come from the right to
>facilitate air sharing ascents
>facing each other grasping right arms or BC shoulder straps
>left hand holding inflator up to vent gas as you ascend.
Agreed.
>But the primary issue should be your comfort with where the gear is and
>making sure your buddy is aware of your rig.
I've never deliberately put my reg on the left side <wink>, although
once on a liveaboard, the DM set up my gear that way. When I looked
at it prior to putting everything on, I saw it and switched it around.
It would be ok that way but I can also see where having reg hoses on
the left near your inflator hose might get a bit messy.
Lee Bell
>BCD/wing inflator.
> > Lee... I think he means that it may be a pain having your reg hose
> > come over your left shoulder when your BC inflator hose is also
> > mounted on the left.
I know that, but you've seen my rig. Do you think my short hose alternate
would get in the way? Hint, the answer is no. The alternate on a short
hose and necklace comes close to the neck. It's no more of a problem on the
left, relative to the inflator, than it is on the right relative to the long
hose primary. My post was intended to make John consider his statement in
the light of the variety of options and, hopefully bring him to the
realization that his statement was very dependent on the configuration in
use. It might be true for some, it's not true for all . . . any more than
having it on the right as you and I do is necessarily right. I didn't
accomplish my goal . . . yet. Nothing new there.
> Another reason for having reg on right is you could vent gas from BC while
> recovering a dropped reg. The backup reg on an open water gear set up
should come
> from the right to facilitate air sharing ascents facing each other
grasping right arms or
> BC shoulder straps left hand holding inflator up to vent gas as you
ascend.
John, you're still thinking a particular setup. With my setup, DIR-Like, I
donate the primary which is on a 6 foot hose. You can be reasonably certain
that it facilitates air sharing quite nicely no matter where the alternate
is. I breathe the alternate and the side it comes from is entirely a matter
of choice. I can't drop it, it's on a necklace. The only reg I can drop is
the one on the long hose, and that one does come from my right. Since it's
on a 6 foot hose, it's sort of easy to find too. It's hanging somewhere
just below my feet (I'm 5'8"). In recent years, combination alternate
inflators have become quite popular. As far as I know, all of them are on
the left. I'm not going to argue that there are no setups where the
alternate, over the shoulder on the left would not present a problem, only
that as long as there are ways it won't, and there are, then complications
with the inflator hose isn't a valid reason for keeping it on the right.
> But the primary issue should be your comfort with where the gear is and
> making sure your buddy is aware of your rig.
Absolutely correct.
Lee
OldSalt
wrote:
>I know that, but you've seen my rig. Do you think my short hose alternate
>would get in the way? Hint, the answer is no. The alternate on a short
>hose and necklace comes close to the neck. It's no more of a problem on the
>left, relative to the inflator, than it is on the right relative to the long
>hose primary. My post was intended to make John consider his statement in
>the light of the variety of options and, hopefully bring him to the
>realization that his statement was very dependent on the configuration in
>use. It might be true for some, it's not true for all . . . any more than
>having it on the right as you and I do is necessarily right. I didn't
>accomplish my goal . . . yet. Nothing new there.
Oppps !! You're right. I was thinking in terms of a non-DIR set-up,
thinking about my own gear and assuming that he meant non-DIR too.
Sorry about that Lee.
Mark Morton
S_chewba wrote in message ...
>
>All "newer" Scubapro regs (R190 - S 600T) can be set up with the hose on
>left and right side.
>It's a fairly easy "operation" to switch it from right to left.
>
The balanced regs have different holes. Square on right (while in mouth)
round on left. G250HP-S600. Just the R-190/R-380 can be used on the left.
MM
David Deutsch
diving with you in a group or even your budy will go straight for your right
side when looking for the reg.
On top of that you have the inflator and the pressure gauge on your left
side.
I have had many people go straight for my octo on my right without ever
asking.
Well hope that helps.
Dave
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S_chewba
"Mark Morton" <mmmo...@sprintmail.com> skrev i melding
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That's why there are "replacement"/sparepart housings for leftside mounting.
Doesn't complicate it.
S_chewba
>
>
ggunn2
OldSalt wrote:
> Oppps !! You're right. I was thinking in terms of a non-DIR set-up,
> thinking about my own gear and assuming that he meant non-DIR too.
> Sorry about that Lee.
Is a non-DIR setup a DIW rig? :^)
Gordon in Austin