More youth protection
Someone that you might know. I'm your next door neighbor.
for the head. While you're standing there at the trough type urinal
with your Johnson hanging out, Tommy Tenderfoot comes in to relieve
himself.
What do you do? Scream and run out without zipping up? Stop your
stream and exit? Tell Tommy to wait until you're done making Tommy
wet his britches?
Bill Nelson
Alternatives:
1. You proactively place a 'sign' far enough away and let the Scouts
know the latrene is occupied. If the latrene has walls, you place
the sign outside the wall. (this is taught in most
camp briefings now).
2. You politely ask him to wait at a distance until you are done.
Might want to attend Youth Protection Training again.. we all need
to go every 3 years.
bill
cwg
"Someone that you might know. I'm your next door neighbor." <m...@me.net>
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>Tell Tommy to wait until you're done making Tommy
> wet his britches?
Telling Tommy to wait is the usual choice. Youth protection does seem to
assume a certain amount of bladder control. If it is a concern for some
reason, I suppose implementing an "occupied" sign and having Tommy
discretely go to the nearest bush if it is an emergency is an option.
Peeing in the bushes is not normally acceptable but I think is
understandable in cases of emergency.
FL PBPress
have 2-3 urinals and 1-2 stalls, unless the troop is meeting in a military
barracks (and some military scout troops DO meet in old barracks buildings.)
And, if I remember correctly, most 11-12 year olds are kind of shy,
anyway, so if he came in on you, he would more than likely head for one of the
stalls, then close and latch the door, thereby negating the problem/concern. I
very seriously doubt that he would walk up right next to you, if the option of
another urinal, or a stall, was available.
As for trough urinals, I havn't seen one of them since I was in the
military.
And, if the rest room happens to be unisex, with just one throne, the door
usually has a lock on it. Who's at fault if it wasn't used?
Ken
R
holers, right side by side....they've changed them all now, each Throne has
it own little "room" with a locking door, but in the old days, if 2 were
going at the same time, you were almost rubbin shoulders.....
'course i think unless it was an emergency, you rarerly saw more than one
person in there at a time....
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Robert Haar
"R" <yeah...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> that reminds me, back 10 years ago or so, my local scout camp
latrines, we 2
> holers, right side by side....they've changed them all now, each
Throne has
> it own little "room" with a locking door, but in the old days, if 2
were
> going at the same time, you were almost rubbin shoulders.....
It has been a while since I was at Philmont, but I have distinct
memories of the
open air latrines - both the pilot/copilot and pilot/bombardier
configurations. Maybe
they have all been replaced with "Red Roof Inns".
R
1991....
anyone that's been there recently care to let us know if they still exist
there?
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Big Chris
1998 and then again last October, but didn't get to hike in the backcountry
to see what was in use.
Big Chris
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Wimwingwit
head. While you're standing there at the trough type urinal with your Johnson
hanging out, Tommy Tenderfoot comes in to relieve himself.
Excellent question. I don't see this as nitpicking as others might.
It is unreasonable to blame the adult for not using the enclosed toilet it the
scout chooses to share the trough urinal.
It is unreasonable to expect that all scouts will stand back and wait until the
adult is finished, depending, of course, on the configuration of the rest room.
It does seem a good idea to ask the scout to stand back and wait or to wait
outside. If the unit is used to camping and summer camp, these sorts of
requests would not seem out of the ordinary to scouts.
I have been in this type of situation: when stopping at a rest stop while
traveling with a scout group. I can wait for all the scouts to finish before I
go inside, but I have no control over what other adults in the restroom are
doing. I can then go inside but have no control over what other children might
or might not enter the restroom. We could also make a rule that everyone use a
toilet stall.
A troop can encounter another similar situation when going to a public swimming
area at a pool or beach.
We are always told to look to the YP guidelines for guidance. I am surprised
that these guidelines do not simply answer the question about what to do in
simple and common situations like these.
john carlson
(For those who may not know, the Pilot/Copilot model features
side-by-side seating, while the Pilot/Bombadier model has a
back-to-back arrangement.)
On Thu, 4 Apr 2002 20:23:56 -0500, "R" <yeah...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>i remember the open air pilot/bomber style from when i was there back in
>1991....
>
>anyone that's been there recently care to let us know if they still exist
>there?
>
-- jc
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john carlson
behavior of youth and adult Scout members only. So, common sense
aside, it's perfectly "legal" for a Scouter to be alone in a rest room
with a non-Scout youth, or for a Scout to be alone with a non-Scouter
adult.
On 05 Apr 2002 02:42:26 GMT, wimwi...@aol.com (Wimwingwit) wrote:
<snip>
>I have been in this type of situation: when stopping at a rest stop while
>traveling with a scout group. I can wait for all the scouts to finish before I
>go inside, but I have no control over what other adults in the restroom are
>doing. I can then go inside but have no control over what other children might
>or might not enter the restroom. We could also make a rule that everyone use a
>toilet stall.
>
>A troop can encounter another similar situation when going to a public swimming
>area at a pool or beach.
>
>We are always told to look to the YP guidelines for guidance. I am surprised
>that these guidelines do not simply answer the question about what to do in
>simple and common situations like these.
-- jc
Someone that you might know. I'm your next door neighbor.
> As for trough urinals, I havn't seen one of them since I was in the
>military.
I've seen them in some older high schools not too long ago.
Someone that you might know. I'm your next door neighbor.
<bnel...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
> 1. You proactively place a 'sign' far enough away and let the Scouts
> know the latrene is occupied. If the latrene has walls, you place
> the sign outside the wall. (this is taught in most
> camp briefings now).
We're not talking about camping, we're talking about the troop meeting
at St. Elmo's of the Perpetual Building Fund. BTW, the word is
"latrine."
>Might want to attend Youth Protection Training again.. we all need
>to go every 3 years.
More soccer mom crap.
settummanque or blackeagle
*laughter*
You wrote and asked:
>You're at your troop meeting and the call >of nature comes so you head for the
>head.
(toliet, restroom...)
>While you're standing there at the trough >type urinal with your Johnson
hanging >out,
or while you're sitting on the toilet with you legs open...
>Tommy Tenderfoot
or Tammy Bronze
> comes in to relieve himself.
(herself, in the case of going to the women's place...)
>What do you do? Scream and run out >without zipping up?
What do you do when you go to a restroom at a truck stop or at school??
You stand (or sit), cover yourself as best as possible, and you go and say
"OCCUPIED" or "ADULT INSIDE".
If there's more than one urinal or commode, the OTHER person will see the open
spot, move to it, and do their business.
This is the reason why Scouts and Scouters are encouraged to go to the latrine
(bathroom, restroom) in PAIRS instead of going by one's self. But sometimes,
the call doesn't lend itself to taking someone with you...stuff happens, you
know...so Scouter Common Sense has to take over here.
Now, you MAY want to check on someone who's been in the latrine for an unusal
period of time and the POLICY should be 'go in pairs if its not pressing'.
You don't make kids leave the bathrooms in an airport or bus station when they
have to go...you go in with them and insure their safety or you send them in
groups of two or three. That's the parent in all of us insuring that youth are
protected and safe.
Settummanque!
settummanque, the blackeagle ((LTC) Mike Walton)
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Rose Walton Personal Computing Coaching, Burnsville, MN
<URL::http://users.aol.com/rwcoaching/>
Be Prepared for Scouting's new Y2K pubs...get My Binder!!
Stephen M. Henning
other person was a member of the opposite sex. The next group waits
their turn. This is explained to the group before the situation comes
up. In most meeting rooms, the bath rooms have latches so there is no
question of what is to be done. The person using it latches the door.
The main concern is showers.
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Stephen M. Henning
the same shower houses for adults and youth. They put on gray-area
skits.
Someone that you might know. I'm your next door neighbor.
blackeagle) wrote:
>Man, you must have been bored today!!
>*laughter*
Nope. Rules are best tested at the extremes because that's where they
tend to snap. That's why there is so many problems in the schools
today because the rules aren't written for the extremes. I had a chat
with a woman the other day whose son was suspended for having a broken
pager (to him it was a toy) in his backpack. The school system rules
are "no pagers" because drug dealer use pagers so this kid suffered.
Now if he had had a one of those fake pagers that are filled with gum,
that would have been okay. Common sense need not apply.
>>Tommy Tenderfoot
>
>or Tammy Bronze
I remember her from the pornos that used to show at my dorm. :-)
>This is the reason why Scouts and Scouters are encouraged to go to the latrine
>(bathroom, restroom) in PAIRS instead of going by one's self.
Now that's manly. "Hey Bob, I have to bleed the lizard, you wanna
come?" The gay scouters will love that.
Stephen M. Henning
> >Might want to attend Youth Protection Training again.. we all need
> >to go every 3 years.
>
> More soccer mom crap.
No, BSA policy. By the way most Scout parents in our area soccer moms
or dads since most Scouts in our area were or are on soccer teams. You
are very insulting of most of the Scout mothers. This has no place in
this group. You should aim you insults at trolls who namelessly try to
insult everyone in the group.
caver
Here, here, Mike! My same thoughts exactly when I first read this post.
Like soneone else here stated, me thinks the troll is running out of
material.
YIS,
Mark Alman
SM - Troop 67
Mesquite, TX
(back to thinking about Philmont in June and chuckling over his coffee)
Someone that you might know. I'm your next door neighbor.
<pig...@aol.com> wrote:
>The troll wrote:
>
>> >Might want to attend Youth Protection Training again.. we all need
>> >to go every 3 years.
>>
>> More soccer mom crap.
>
>No, BSA policy.
That's right. No matter what BSA says or does it must be right. All
hail BSA.
I suppose that if BSA policy became no open fires, you'd think that
was wunnerful as well.
Sounds like you need a common sense transplant.
>By the way most Scout parents in our area soccer moms
That's too bad.
> You are very insulting of most of the Scout mothers.
I've observed that people usually consider themselves insulted when
they the comments are true.
Someone that you might know. I'm your next door neighbor.
wrote:
> Like soneone else here stated, me thinks the troll is running out of
>material.
Hey crap for brains, pay attention. I don't live under a bridge nor
do I live in the woods.
WA Howland
1991....
anyone that's been there recently care to let us know if they still exist
there? >>
Yup. I haven't been on one myself, but I cherish the memory of the picture of
the leader who was <G>. (He shows it around sometimes <G>...just to adult
friends)
YiS
AB
WA Howland
We are always told to look to the YP guidelines for guidance. I am surprised
that these guidelines do not simply answer the question about what to do in
simple and common situations like these. >>
Applying the basic concept of "buddies" would help here-- and avoid the
one-on-one that YP is designed to address. Don't you always tell kids to take
their buddies to the john?
YiS
AB
Virginia Tadrzynski
No, but if you keep insulting 'soccer moms' one of them is going to kick the
crap out of you (where do you think their kids get the soccer talent from)
and boot your sorry behind, with or without your johnson out, back under a
bridge where some actual troll may take your incursion into his 'private'
latrine as some sort of come on and then you will be the example story for
future scouts of what happens when you go alone to relieve yourself.
Someone that you might know. I'm your next door neighbor.
<ta...@enter.net> wrote:
>No, but if you keep insulting 'soccer moms' one of them is going to kick the
>crap out of you (where do you think their kids get the soccer talent from)
>and boot your sorry behind, with or without your johnson out, back under a
>bridge where some actual troll may take your incursion into his 'private'
>latrine as some sort of come on and then you will be the example story for
>future scouts of what happens when you go alone to relieve yourself.
Cute, stupid but cute. Hey, that describes most Chey Subdivision
driving soccer moms.