Purchase of Property
Doug
My Cubmaster has his eye on a piece of land, that he thinks we can get real
cheap, for the purpose of building a Scout Hut for our Pack. He is in the
process of asking around for help in writing grants to obtain the funds for
this endeavor.
I imagine that the whole project will have to be in the name of the Charter
Organization, with their approval. Any experience advice or sage wisdom will
be helpful.
Thanks in advance and to all of you the Warmest of Holiday Wishes.
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and control (restricted asset) fit well with tax exempt accounting and will
cover you. But, get some local CPA who does 501(3c) type stuff to help you.
Talk to council.
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jim
becomes the program. way too much time, money and effort are spent on the
building upkeep and not nearly enuff on the actual program. if the place
you are meeting is adequate at this time i would not encourage the purchase
of a piece of property. if the COR is willing to purchase it and lend long
term assistance so you have a specific place to meet(and not get their
meeting room dirty or whatever-we have all delt with that issue) then you
might have a chance, if the pack has to go solicit grants etc to finance
it---i would not encourage it.....in fact the more i think about it i am
pretty sure i would put out this guys fire real quick if i could. way too
much investment for the return.
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"jim" <sam...@machlink.com> wrote in part:
> one big problem with troop/pack owned real estate is that the property
> becomes the program. way too much time, money and effort are spent on the
> building upkeep and not nearly enuff on the actual program.
I completely agree with Big Jim...things have a way of changing
too...Today's worlds best chartering organization may become tommorrow's
biggest anti-scout group...who happens to own this land and building.
I believe in spending all the time and all the money on the Scouts in my
unit Today--we always find a place to meet, a way to get where we are
going, and whatever supplies and equipment we need...without a
maintainence commitee and building fundraisers.
On the surface, it always seems like a good idea but I think in a few
years you may regret it.
Good luck whatever you do!
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Stephen M. Henning
> My Cubmaster has his eye on a piece of land, that he thinks we can get real
> cheap, for the purpose of building a Scout Hut for our Pack. He is in the
> process of asking around for help in writing grants to obtain the funds for
> this endeavor.
> I imagine that the whole project will have to be in the name of the Charter
> Organization, with their approval. Any experience advice or sage wisdom will
> be helpful.
1) Packs cannot own property; it belongs to the charter organization.
2) Packs cannot solicit grant money; they are not a federally tax exempt
entity. Their charter specifically states:
It is an obligation of the charter organization to provide a meeting
place. The charter organization could seek grants if it is federally
tax exempt."
"Bylaws of the Boy Scouts of America, Article XI, Section 1, Clause 2:
Contributions shall be solicited in the name of the Boy Scouts of
America only through or by the authority of the Corporation, and shall
be limited to the National Council or chartered local councils, in
accordance with these Bylaws and Rules and Regulations of the
Corporation. "
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Doug
your views on the table I will approach the Charter organization before we
proceed any further with this.
Our current meeting place is owned by the civic club that charters the Boy
Scout Troop. They have been very good to us really, but we are still a bit
like a step child; since a different community group charters us(the pack).
There is no open space for the younger boys to "run off some energy" but
other wise it is working ok. It just would be really nice to have a place of
our own. May well be every Packs wish but in reality just not worth the
expense and effort. One winning lottery ticket and we'd be
set..........nothing wrong with a fantasy now and then, right.
Well thanks for the input I knew I'd get good advice here.
Wishing all ya'll a very wonderful Holiday Season.
God Bless.
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Doug
COR/CC Pack 407
Hayesville, NC
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Doug wrote in message <3c1e1...@vienna7.his.com>...
Dave Hultberg
>I have a big question for the group:
>My Cubmaster has his eye on a piece of land, that he thinks we can get real
>cheap, for the purpose of building a Scout Hut for our Pack. He is in the
>process of asking around for help in writing grants to obtain the funds for
>this endeavor.
>I imagine that the whole project will have to be in the name of the Charter
>Organization, with their approval. Any experience advice or sage wisdom
>will be helpful.
I know of a troop locally that has their own camp with a cabin, pond,
chapel, etc. The property is not owned by either the troop or the CO.
The title to the property is held by an organization called the Friends
of Troop XXX. The friends have their own board separate from the troop.
They allow the troop to use the camp rent free. Other units and
organizations may rent the facility when the troop isn't using it. The
rental fees pay for the upkeep of the camp.
YIS,
Dave
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Stephen M. Henning
> I know of a troop locally that has their own camp with a cabin, pond,
> chapel, etc. The property is not owned by either the troop or the CO.
> The title to the property is held by an organization called the Friends
> of Troop XXX. The friends have their own board separate from the troop.
> They allow the troop to use the camp rent free. Other units and
> organizations may rent the facility when the troop isn't using it. The
> rental fees pay for the upkeep of the camp.
If anything happens to anyone at this camp, all of the Friends of Troop
XXX are liable. If the groups doesn't have liability insurance for
their officers, the officers need to add it to their personal policies.
If the charter organization owns the property, the BSA gives the
officers of the charter organization liability insurance.
jim
is for scouts and no one would sue the scouts" outlook?
sad commentary on todays litigious (sp) society
Jay Walker
appropriate and there is considerable precedence, for organizations to own
and maintain facilities for the benefit Scouts and other youth groups.
I know of two specific instances where Scout units worked with a
"benefactor" to construct a Scout-Hut with the cooperation of the Sponsoring
Organization.... I am quite sure that many exist.
A very unique Scout Hut is available to Scouting units in Huntsville, Texas.
Both the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts have the use of a most unique and
historical "Log Cabin".
<Text from http://www.ci.huntsville.tx.us/Houses/avenues.html >
This substantial log lodge with fieldstone chimneys very successfully
conveys the romanticized imagery of pioneer times and is perfectly placed in
a very informal wooded park. Robert A. Josey, a Huntsville native, was a
Houston businessman and philanthropist who donated this building and the
surrounding land to the City of Huntsville in the mid-1930s for use as a Boy
Scout Lodge and park. This building, the main lodge, was built as a WPA
project. Josey was also responsible for the purchase of Emancipation Park,
the Huntsville park which hosts an annual Juneteenth observance by the
city's black community. Ellen Beasley documented this building in her 1981
survey.
<end text>
http://www.ci.huntsville.tx.us/Houses/2220SamHouston.jpg is a direct link to
a picture of the Josey Scout Lodge.
The Josey Scout Lodge was built in 1934 and is very much in use today. It
has hosted numerous Eagle COH celebrations, District dinners, anchored
special Cub events and been the regular meeting place for BSA Troop 98 since
at least 1945 as well as many other Troops and Packs in the area. The
property is operated by the Josey Foundation for the exclusive benefit of
local Scouts.
We have often schemed of a way to jack it up and move it about 40 miles
South to our neighborhood in The Woodlands, Texas!.... This is a priceless
piece of Walker County history as well as a "working" Scout hut continuing
to serve the youth of Huntsville.
I would love to hear about others who had the same vision as Robert Josey
and donated property for such a great use.... I am sure some exist but I
suspect that the Josey Scout Lodge is one of the oldest.
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Jay Walker
ASM-Venture, Troop 777
The Woodlands, TX
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"Stephen M. Henning" <pig...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Dave Hultberg <dave.h...@paonline.com> wrote:
>
> > I know of a troop locally that has their own camp with a cabin, pond,
> > chapel, etc. The property is not owned by either the troop or the CO.
> > The title to the property is held by an organization called the Friends
> > of Troop XXX. The friends have their own board separate from the troop.
> > They allow the troop to use the camp rent free. Other units and
> > organizations may rent the facility when the troop isn't using it. The
> > rental fees pay for the upkeep of the camp.
>
> If anything happens to anyone at this camp, all of the Friends of Troop
> XXX are liable. If the groups doesn't have liability insurance for
> their officers, the officers need to add it to their personal policies.
>
> If the charter organization owns the property, the BSA gives the
> officers of the charter organization liability insurance.
>
Actually, or more accurately, I think that if the charter org. owns the
property, the officers of the charter org. is covered under the existing BSA
blanket liability insurance coverage, which has been set up for just such
purposes.
Doug
Jay Walker wrote in message <9vpa5u$cf4$1...@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>...
>While I agree that a Unit probably shouldn't own property, it is very
>appropriate and there is considerable precedence, for organizations to own
>and maintain facilities for the benefit Scouts and other youth groups.
>
>I know of two specific instances where Scout units worked with a
>"benefactor" to construct a Scout-Hut with the cooperation of the
Sponsoring
>Organization.... I am quite sure that many exist.
Yes this is the concept that is beginning to grow, at lest in my mind. The
facility that we now have use of was constructed very much in the same vain
but in reality it belongs to the "xxxx" Club and the Boy Scout Troop "YYY".
We are 'allowed' to use it. Our CO had to agree to help them pay for the
utilities " to be fair". It just doesn't feel like "home". The Church we are
affiliated with discourages youth because of the damage they do and the
messes they leave behind.............What we want is a "home" a place where
kids could spill glue on the floor and pin posters to the wall. The girls
scouts here could use a home. There is no really active venture crew yet and
they will need a home. The MYF too, maybe would like a fun place to meet and
play. And that's the problem with our current situation and I think with a
lot of other Packs that use this facility or that facility, many times it is
not a place where seven and eight year olds can "play". Pack meetings of
course have serious moments but there has got to a lot of fun involved.
Again many thanks to "all y'all" for the great suggestions, the guidance,
the needed information and the interest.
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Doug
Somervell Guitars
Brasstown, NC
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Bare the iron hand.
Beware the people weeping
When they bare the iron hand.
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