Tiger Crossover Ceremonies Involving Face Painting
Ed Milbrada
I'm looking for ideas about Tiger crossover ceremonies where the boys'
faces are painted as part of the ceremony. I could envision some
combination of orange and black with blue and gold with appropriate
symbolism for each color. I've seen a very nice Webelos ceremony along
the same lines (almost used it this year as a matter of fact).Anyoner
out there have any ideas?
YIS
Ed Milbrada
Cub Roundtable Commissioner
Ft. Hamilton District
Dan Beard Council
(Cincinnati)
Bob Tarn
Inasmuch as this defacing and possibly humiliating to the Tiger Cub, I
recommend that you do not perform the face-painting ritual. Similar
rituals for Cub Scout initiation, such as holding boys up by the feet
to pin Bobcat pins on upside down, have been found to constitute
harassment, and are banned by the Boy Scouts of America.
It is much better to perform a ceremony that celebrates the boys'
accomplishments, the significance of the graduation in terms of the
maturing and development it signifies, and of the adventures thay lay
ahead. It should be something that makes them feel good about
themselves, as they are, rather than something that holds them up to
ridicule.
Bob Tarn
Scoutmaster
Troop 745
Westlake Village, CA
The Lion King
On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, Bob Tarn wrote:
> Inasmuch as this defacing and possibly humiliating to the Tiger Cub, I
> recommend that you do not perform the face-painting ritual. Similar
I can't beleive I am actually seeing this. Face painting is harassment?
I better go call my sister the clown and tell her to stay away from
day camps.
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Scott Sines
Bob Tarn said:
"Inasmuch as this defacing and possibly humiliating to the Tiger Cub, I
recommend that you do not perform the face-painting ritual. Similar
to pin Bobcat pins on upside down, have been found to constitute
harassment, and are banned by the Boy Scouts of America."
We are talking about 7 year old boys who have just completed First Grade.
Face painting in their eyes is far from harassment! These boys should not
live life by some outdated standard established by generations past, nor
should they live life in such an anemic politically correct world.
Ed, I'll keep my eyes peeled for a ceremony to send your way.
Scott Sines
Tiger Cub Parent - first and foremost
Cubmaster
CMR1954
Scott,
I offer a face painting ceremony in the latest issue of Baloo's Bugle that can
be found at the following site in HTML and Word6.
http://www.iaw.on.ca/%7Eebateman/bb.htm
You can also find BIG Ideas, ideas also for Cubs and Webelos.
Chris
Stephen M. Henning
In article <6g64qn$l...@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>, rbt...@ix.netcom.com (Bob
Tarn) wrote:
> Inasmuch as this defacing and possibly humiliating to the Tiger Cub, I
> recommend that you do not perform the face-painting ritual.
Bob is right that it can not be a ritual or required. However, we have
had great success using face paining at camp as an activity, or at Mall
Shows as a recruiting tool. Kids love it. However, we are not in the
business of forcing kids to do thing they do not want to do. But, when
they see other kids having a lot of fun they always want to do it also.
> It is much better to perform a ceremony that celebrates the boys'
> accomplishments, the significance of the graduation in terms of the
> maturing and development it signifies, and of the adventures thay lay
> ahead. It should be something that makes them feel good about
> themselves, as they are, rather than something that holds them up to
> ridicule.
Who can argue with this, but to some kids, standing in front of a crowd is
holding them up to ridicule; some adults feel this way also. But to most
kids, face painting is just another way to have fun. It is not so much
what you do as how you do it. You don't make a kid do anything. You help
him have fun, be a good person, and keep him from spoiling the fun of
others and being a bad person.
--
Cheers, Steve Henning, Reading, Pennsylvania, USA
Correct email address is shen...@fast.net (Please forgive my spam deterrent)
Visit my home page at http://www.users.fast.net/~shenning
Vicki Hill
>However, we have had great success using face paining at camp as an activity, or at Mall
>Shows as a recruiting tool. Kids love it. However, we are not in the
>business of forcing kids to do thing they do not want to do. But, when
>they see other kids having a lot of fun they always want to do it also.
I only disagree with one word here - 'always'. It is very fair to say
that kids OFTEN want to do it also - but always? No, I don't think so.
One example of kids who would NOT want to do this would be some (not
all!) with what is called Sensory Integrative Disorder (SID). Children
with SID can be overly sensitive to the various senses. Normal noises
can be TOO loud, normal light touch can feel like pins and needles,
etc. For such a child, the light touch with a paint brush, and the
feel of paint on the skin could be painful and highly irritating. I
can think of a number of other examples as well.
If there is ever any question - talk to the parents involved before
finalizing plans for a ceremony. If any of the parents or kids
involved think it would be uncomfortable - it is time to change the
ceremony. After all, the ceremony is for the boys. Its goal should be
a POSITIVE memory, not a negative one.
Vicki H.
R. J. Smith
The Lion King wrote:
>
> I can't beleive I am actually seeing this. Face painting is harassment?
> I better go call my sister the clown and tell her to stay away from
> day camps.
It is if the scout is forced to do it over his objection.
Now I not talking about regular activities that are set by BSA as
requirments for rank advancement. I am talking about *the* specific
activity in *the* specific ceremony in question.
--
R. J. Smith
ASM Troop 505
All opinions are my own, not of my Troop or CO.
Bill Sheehan, Jr.
What tiger cross over? They are now part of the pack. They don't need
to cross over. They should be part of the regular ceremony where bears
become webelos, wolves become bears, etc.
On Sat, 04 Apr 1998 09:27:49 -0500, Ed Milbrada <milb...@fuse.net>
wrote:
Mark Alman
Bill, I think Ed means that he wants a crossover ceremony for the
Tigers becoming Wolves. We've been doing this type of crossover (as well
as the others you mentioned) for several years now.
Ed, we found several in various PowWow books and on the Web. Pls let me
know if you're unable to find any and I'll send you some of the ones we
have used.
Tigers have always been considred part of our Pack.
YIS,
Mark Alman
CM Pack 855
ASM Troop 138
Mesquite, TX
Cris Williams
Face painting, when done with proper ritual and restraint, can be a very
positive and memorable part of advancement ceremonies. I place a
single, narrow stripe (red for wolf badge, turqoius for bear, etc.) on
each side of a scout's face to signify their achievement and new
status.
This is a gesture of honor, certainly not ridicule or harassment!
Cris Williams
Cubmaster, Pack 45
Dayton, Ohio
Bob Tarn wrote:
>
> Inasmuch as this defacing and possibly humiliating to the Tiger Cub, I
> recommend that you do not perform the face-painting ritual. Similar
> rituals for Cub Scout initiation, such as holding boys up by the feet
> to pin Bobcat pins on upside down, have been found to constitute
> harassment, and are banned by the Boy Scouts of America.
>
> It is much better to perform a ceremony that celebrates the boys'
> accomplishments, the significance of the graduation in terms of the
> maturing and development it signifies, and of the adventures thay lay
> ahead. It should be something that makes them feel good about
> themselves, as they are, rather than something that holds them up to
> ridicule.
>
Philip W Brodeur
Ed,
Point your browser to
http://www.fishnet.net/~vccbsa/cs3804/ceremony.html and you will find a
collection of ceremonies that use facepainting, including a Tiger
graduation.
I first saw these used while visiting another pack in town. The
Cubmaster gave me a hardcopy that he had printed which (conveniently!)
had the URL.
Before replying I did read other responses. I note some negative
comments so let me share my experience: THE KIDS LOVED THEM! They loved
them at the pack I was visiting, and the kids in my pack loved them when
we used them. One anecdote: Jeffrey's mom tells me that Jeff was so
proud of the face painting that he refused to wash it off after Pack
Night so his dad, who works nights, could see it. The following morning
Jeffrey was delighted when he was seen by a parent from the other pack
who took a moment and congradulated him on earning his Bobcat.
I agree that not all children will be receptive of having their faces
painted just as some children might be afraid of a lit candle. As
always, know the boys and encourage the parents to work with you. When
we do the face painting ceremonies the parents or guardians are standing
behind their sons (we present the badges to the parent/guardian for them
to give their son) and we quietly ask if any boys have allergies or
might not appreciate the face painting.
YIS,
Philip Brodeur
Cubmaster, Pack 180
Pioneer Valley Council (MA)
I used to be a Fox....
LEG at cba
In article
<25BA2ABBF50839FD.EAD6E3C9...@library-proxy.airnews.net>,
vlh...@airmail.net (Vicki Hill) writes:
>If there is ever any question - talk to the parents involved before
>finalizing plans for a ceremony. If any of the parents or kids
>involved think it would be uncomfortable - it is time to change the
>ceremony. After all, the ceremony is for the boys. Its goal should be
>a POSITIVE memory, not a negative one.
Just talking to the parents is insufficient, IMHO. Kids, being kids, could
suddenly become very uncomfortable with the idea of face painting, doing a
skit, etc. the parents can prepare the boy for what they expect to happen, but
young emotions are fickle.
My suggestions:
(1) Verify with parents that face painting will not go against any religious or
other tenet. Also be sure that the boy isn't allergic to the paints, or
artificial color.
(2) Tell the boys ahead of time what is planned. Present it in a fashion that
focuses on the activity, not on the pressure of having to accept the ceremony.
(3) If the above two points go well and most of the boys and parents are not
opposed, proceed to use the ceremony.
(4) Any boy who does not want their face painted should still be part of the
group during the ceremony and receive any recognition or advancement due him,
without prejudice.
The above plan makes the face painting an option, and removes it from what most
would consider a "hazing".
Larry Girard, Jr.
John H. Witten
Ditto in this pack, the scouts and parents know the face painting cermony
for awards and ask for it. The parents, ahead of time, can tell the den
leaders to know in case of allergies, skin sensitiviey, or other problems.
Do realize on the technical side of it, most people working in the job
market with skin are liscenced and/or knowledgable of safe products to use,
allergies, and other complications. Always do your homework before applying
anything on the skin if unsure of health hazards. An alternative is skin
grease paint used on halloween instead of water based paints. These are
tested safe and tested for the skin. KISSMIF Yours in
Scouting Arlene
Phi