Nalgene bottles - why
Phil Schuman
on racks all over the place - for $8.00 -
What's the big deal with these bottles
vs just a plain 1L or 2L water bottle ?
Phil -
Gary S.
They don't leak, they are nearly indestructible, they do not pick up
funny flavors, and they don't leak.
Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
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RICH
also do not have that lingering smell of the last thing you drank! Nor, do
they have the palstic smell or taste. They are the best drink containers
that money can buy.
RICH
Simon
> >
> They don't leak, they are nearly indestructible, they do not pick up
> funny flavors, and they don't leak.
>
> Happy trails,
> Gary (net.yogi.bear)
...and they can handle boiling water without melting, and can freeze
solid without cracking. The Lexan Nalgenes have all these properties;
I'm sure about the polypropylene (soft) ones.
Of course, at 6 oz each (1L wide-mouth), I only cary one and supplement
it with a cheap soda or other water bottle that weighs 1 oz or so.
Stick with camping/backpacking/hiking for a few years, and your bound to
acummulate three or four or five... You can save $2/bottle by purchasing
"signed" Nalgene versions (with logos plastered on the outside, REI,
Backcountry Store, etc.).
Regards,
Simon
Simon
> ...and they can handle boiling water without melting, and can freeze
> solid without cracking. The Lexan Nalgenes have all these properties;
> I'm sure about the polypropylene (soft) ones.
>
> Of course, at 6 oz each (1L wide-mouth), I only cary one and supplement
> it with a cheap soda or other water bottle that weighs 1 oz or so.
>
> Stick with camping/backpacking/hiking for a few years, and your bound to
> acummulate three or four or five... You can save $2/bottle by purchasing
> "signed" Nalgene versions (with logos plastered on the outside, REI,
> Backcountry Store, etc.).
>
> Regards,
> Simon
Also, GSI makes drinkware products from Lexan too. A great supplement to
the Nalgene bottle is the $9 GSI FairShare 32oz mug. It has a screw-top
lid, so you can also use it to store or contain other items (an IsoPro
cannister is just a hair too big though) inside it.
Simon
Jeff McCann
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But they do become quite brittle with age, and heat exposure (the
non-Lexan ones, at least)
Jeff
mean old man
Sunlight doesn't cause them to become brittle either.
Oh yeah, you forgot to mention that they don't leak.
See Ya!
MOM
Ilja Friedel
I've looked at them again in the local Target store. No idea why people
like them. Heavy like brick. Don't leak? What bottle does leak? Name me
one!
Ilja.
Jason Moore
"Simon" <swursterR...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Hey, I've accummulated three or four of these and I haven't had to buy one!
Everyone uses them and enough of them lose them that you will probably find
some just laying around near your favorite trail and/or trailhead.
J
Simon
>
> I've looked at them again in the local Target store. No idea why people
> like them. Heavy like brick. Don't leak? What bottle does leak? Name me
> one!
>
> Ilja.
The caps/threads on soda bottles and the like can fail suddenly,
seemingly always after you've tightened the bottle and placed it in your
pack. (They also develop vertical cracks, another nice surprise.) Sport
bottles (with nozzles, like those for bicycling) are notorious for
leaking unless they're held vertical and not squeezed or crushed.
Yup, they're relatively heavy, but they've become a "standard"
especially since many water filters can connect directly to a wide-mouth
version, and there are attachments (like shower systems, spigots, etc.)
that fit right on top. They're also made in the USA, so they remain one
of few camping items that you can "buy American" with.
Beware of cheap knock-offs made by Starbucks and others. Not the same!
Regards,
Simon
Penny S
>>>>
>>> They don't leak, they are nearly indestructible, they do not pick up
>>> funny flavors, and they don't leak.
plastic liter pop and water bottles tend to get kind of wrecked after a trip
or two. They are too soft.
Penny
Peter H
>>
>>
>They don't leak, they are nearly indestructible, they do not pick up
>funny flavors, and they don't leak.
>
>
>
>
At my workplace we use nalgene containers for distilled water & reagents
wich are used to test food processing attributes. The dratted things
wear out, delaminate, leak, and become unsafe for acid & caustic
materials just as quickly as if they were Rubbermaid from the local
department store.
Pete H
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anon.
Peter H
>
>Beware of cheap knock-offs made by Starbucks and others. Not the same!
>
>
>
>
Fairly good advice, but see my response to Gary's post.
Gary S.
wrote:
>"RICH" <united...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>> GARY said it, THEY DON"T LEAK, I have frozen, heated, and dropped
>mine! They
>> also do not have that lingering smell of the last thing you drank!
>Nor, do
>> they have the palstic smell or taste. They are the best drink
>containers
>> that money can buy.
>>
>But they do become quite brittle with age, and heat exposure (the
>non-Lexan ones, at least)
>
Don't see many sold these days, but the HDPE ones do get brittle with
age, stress, and exposure to halogens (chlorine and iodine).
Any that I still use, I check before each trip. If the milky white
color looks yellowed, or if you squeeze it, tiny cracks radiate from
your fingers, it is not reliable in the field.
Gary S.
<mean_o...@abmefaq.not.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:19:02 GMT, Gary S. <Idontwantspam@net> wrote:
>
>>They don't leak, they are nearly indestructible, they do not pick up
>>funny flavors, and they don't leak.
>>
>Sunlight doesn't cause them to become brittle either.
>
>Oh yeah, you forgot to mention that they don't leak.
>
I've had some bad experiences with leaking water bottles.
Gary S.
>Gary S. wrote:
>
>>They don't leak, they are nearly indestructible, they do not pick up
>>funny flavors, and they don't leak.
>>
>At my workplace we use nalgene containers for distilled water & reagents
>wich are used to test food processing attributes. The dratted things
>wear out, delaminate, leak, and become unsafe for acid & caustic
>materials just as quickly as if they were Rubbermaid from the local
>department store.
>
Rubbermaid is usually good quality, but there are many other water
bottles used in the past which would either leak from the start, or
fail catastrophically.
Nalge makes the labware ones in many different plastic resins, to
resist a variety of different chemicals. Even PTFE Teflon, if you
really want to see expensive water bottles.
Douglas A. Shrader
"Gary S." <Idontwantspam@net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 21:04:09 GMT, mean old man
> <mean_o...@abmefaq.not.net> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:19:02 GMT, Gary S. <Idontwantspam@net> wrote:
> >
> >>They don't leak, they are nearly indestructible, they do not pick up
> >>funny flavors, and they don't leak.
> >>
> >Sunlight doesn't cause them to become brittle either.
> >
> >Oh yeah, you forgot to mention that they don't leak.
> >
> I've had some bad experiences with leaking water bottles.
I carry an Army surplus, two quart plastic canteen with it's own carrying
pouch and strap. Never a leak in ten years of use, which ain't bad, since I
also use it around home year around.
WebKatz
Yeah, but the clear (lexan) ones leach nasties into your water.
Polycarbonates give off hormone disrupters (not a good thing).
Peter H
>On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 17:33:42 -0400, Peter H <pmhi...@mfx.net> wrote:Gar S. wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>>At my workplace we use nalgene containers for distilled water & reagents
>>wich are used to test food processing attributes. The dratted things
>>wear out, delaminate, leak, and become unsafe for acid & caustic
>>materials just as quickly as if they were Rubbermaid from the local
>>department store.
>>
>>
>>
>Rubbermaid is usually good quality, but there are many other water
>bottles used in the past which would either leak from the start, or
>fail catastrophically.
>
>Nalge makes the labware ones in many different plastic resins, to
>resist a variety of different chemicals. Even PTFE Teflon, if you
>really want to see expensive water bottles.
>
>
>
>
Consider that 6 79¢ Rubbermaid bottles will far outlast (barring
noticeable abuse) a single $14.75 nalgene. We have lots of lab-quality
nalgene & it lasts like paste.
And I am one who consistently preaches that you should buy as expensive
as you can reasonably afford & pay less over time.
Frank Looper
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dishwasher first to get any leftover sugar and citric acid taste off, but
they're not very fragile, they're VERY light, and I have a go-zillion of
them. :-)
Frank
Any Mouse
> plastic liter pop and water bottles tend to get kind of wrecked after a trip
> or two. They are too soft.
So? They are free. They get wrecked, you throw them away.
Any Mouse
They are trendy, just like Mocha-latte-frappe-chinos. You have to
have one to be cool. I use either a bicycle bottle (doesn't leak)
that I got for free or a 2 quart GI canteen that clips to my backpack.
I also don't like Camelback systems. I've seen too many people suck
all their water down at the begining of a trail, pee it all out in
half an hour and have nothing left to drink for the rest of the hike.
Any Mouse
>
> Yeah, but the clear (lexan) ones leach nasties into your water.
> Polycarbonates give off hormone disrupters (not a good thing).
I've heard this about soda bottles but not about the fancy Nalgene
bottles. What about bicycle bottles or GI canteens? The last thing
that I need is to grow a set of boobs :-)
RICH
RICH
RICH
I have one from Coleman and onthe that is just NALGENE
Now, that I am looking at them one I think is Lexan and that is from
Coleman, I have use both for about three years now I have frozen the COleman
one and dropped it frozen from my bike, it didnt split or crack or get
damaged in any way. I did however just realize that the NALGENE bottle
smells like the last citric drink that was in it, and that was some time
ago. Now, I am beginning to wonder I think its the Lexan bottle that to me
at this point seems to be better. I do however have Nalgene bottle that we
use for cleaning and cooking supplies that I have never had any problems
with. They are small and only used for those things anyway.
So right now it the LEXAN in the lead for this one,.
RICH
Penny S
you don't recycle them? Shame on you.
Penny
Steve
have used in the desert in California, Nevada, Utah and they are
probably close to 35 years old. Maybe the new ones just aren't as
good quality as the old ones.
-- Steve
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Mark Adkins
leakproofness, but it is not the 'Golden Standard'.
Persnally, I like the Nalgene Lexan bottles better. Tougher and don't add
the funny taste to the water. I keep a couple full of cold water in the
fridge all year for quick, cold drinks. Saves on ice and makes the bottle a
better value!
Many other bottles work, however. One key is UV stability- how fast they
break down in sunlight.
ARMY CANTEENS- I avoid these. They are tough and leakproof, but usually
stink and/or make the water tase funny. The dark ones are great for making
hot water on a hike (if that is what you want), but the white/artic ones are
not too bad overall. VERY UV stable.
BABY BOTTLES- cheap, light, tough, fits in the side pockets of a pack. These
are recommended by a lot of backpackers- but make sure you get good caps!
You can fill them 1/2 way and freeze them for cold water later on. Good UV
stability, especially in the colored bottles and newer Lexan-based bottles.
STERILE WATER IV BOTTLES- A favorite of Cliff Jacob(son?) "Camping Secrets"
and other camping and canoeing books. Free (if obtained used from hospitals
or clinics), tough, good seal, good size for many packs, etc. I don't know
what the UV stability is.
BOTTLED WATER/POP BOTTLES- Overall, the thin-wall versions are far too
fragile for reliable service. Thicker wall bottles (like Gatoraid) are
better. The plastic IS more brittle, so be careful how you pack them- a
burst wall or leaky seal can wreck a weekend if it soaks your bag, etc. I
don't trust the liter and other big versions, and none of these are designed
to be UV stable for long.
Note: There IS a concern over plasticizers getting into the drinking water
in some plastics, but the jury is still out as to the real health risks this
involves.
Note 2: We use plain Nalgene (the milky white stuff) in the shop for a lot
of things, and they are holding up GREAT for us. I am not sure why they are
doing so badly for the guy in the lab? I DO know that Nalgene makes a thick
wall and thinner wall botle, and the camping bottle is the thick wall at
about twice the cost of the thin wall stuff. maybe his lab is using the thin
stuff?
You can order a lot of interesting bottles (Nalgene and others) from this
place (www.usplastics.com) if you want to order a case at a time.
Research1
MCCET
PMTNPO
NEVER DO A JOB A BOY CAN DO
AND THEY CAN DO A LOT IN SCOUTING
SO QUIT DOING IT FOR THEM.....
There I feel better now....
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:19:02 GMT, Gary S. <Idontwantspam@net> wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 20:09:42 GMT, "Phil Schuman"
><pschuman_...@interserv.com> wrote:
>
>>I keep seeing these Nalgene water bottles
>>on racks all over the place - for $8.00 -
>>What's the big deal with these bottles
>>vs just a plain 1L or 2L water bottle ?
>>Phil -
>>
>They don't leak, they are nearly indestructible, they do not pick up
>funny flavors, and they don't leak.
>
toadmonkey
>HELLO WE'RE NOT DRINKING CAUSTIC BEVERAGES
>
>RICH
>
But you are drinking city water, right? And the difference is....?
TM
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RICH <united...@verizon.net> typed:
> HELLO WE'RE NOT DRINKING CAUSTIC BEVERAGES
>
> RICH
to iron ;)
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Bob Kegel
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> I've heard this about soda bottles but not about the fancy Nalgene
> bottles. What about bicycle bottles or GI canteens? The last thing
> that I need is to grow a set of boobs :-)
A study published in the July 2003 issue of "Environmental Health
Perspectives" found " new and used polycarbonate animal cages passively
release bioactive levels of BPA into water at room temperature and neutral
pH."
Bisphenol A (BPA) is a monomer with estrogenic activity that is used in
the production of food packaging, dental sealants, polycarbonate plastic,
and many other products.
BPA exposure as a result of being housed in used polycarbonate cages
produced a 16% increase in uterine weight in prepubertal female mice
relative to females housed in used polypropylene cages, although the
difference was not statistically significant.
Wild Monkshood
Owen Morris wrote:
> In news:TiPab.1919$iJ....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net,
> RICH <united...@verizon.net> typed:
> > HELLO WE'RE NOT DRINKING CAUSTIC BEVERAGES
> >
> > RICH
> oh, I don't know... H2O is a very strong corrosive... just look what it does
> to iron ;)
It is the Universal Solvent, if I remember my science classes........
Wild Monkshood
Stephen M. Henning
> HELLO WE'RE NOT DRINKING CAUSTIC BEVERAGES
You are right, tap water, juices and soft drinks are not caustic,they
are acidic.
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Neil Cairns
<wild_mo...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>Owen Morris wrote:
>
>> In news:TiPab.1919$iJ....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net,
>> RICH <united...@verizon.net> typed:
>> > HELLO WE'RE NOT DRINKING CAUSTIC BEVERAGES
>> >
>> > RICH
>> oh, I don't know... H2O is a very strong corrosive... just look what it does
>> to iron ;)
>
> It is the Universal Solvent, if I remember my science classes........
>
>Wild Monkshood
It can also be very acidic depending where one lives, Big industrial
areas and areas down wind of same can in the right weather conditions
have Very Acidic Rain falls, strong enough to distroy acres of
forests.
Neil The chef
Stephen M. Henning
> Owen Morris wrote:
> > H2O is a very strong corrosive... just look what it does to iron ;)
> It is the Universal Solvent, if I remember my science classes........
But solvents are not corrosive, they provide the solution ;]
Jeremy Oldham
While obviously unsuitable for hiking, I have gotten good usage in
camp from the big, 5 gallon 'water cooler' bottles. Since the
companies that make these switched from glass to plastic, these things
are nearly indestructable and easy to clean between trips. Mine sit in
the bed of my truck, and I use a length of food grade tubing as a
siphon hose to dispense the water.
I have *NO* idea what type of plastic these are made from... maybe
someone out these can answer that question?
Best regards,
Jeremy
jrol...@socalcamping.com
Any Mouse
Thrown away, recycled. Pretty much the same thing -- they're out of my house.
Frank Looper
"Stephen M. Henning" <pig...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "RICH" <united...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > HELLO WE'RE NOT DRINKING CAUSTIC BEVERAGES
>
> You are right, tap water, juices and soft drinks are not caustic,they
> are acidic.
>
Frank
Frank Looper
Your arguments are very persuasive, and I'll not disagree with any of
them. Having said that, however, I'll stick to my Gatorade/Powerade bottles.
The crush factor doesn't come into play. They're only stored in outside
pockets or in the pack in the "non-food" bag (there are two 2.5 gallon
Zip-Loc bags and one 1 gallon bag with a change of clothes and a change of
socks. That's it.). I pack very light and even if they're inside the
pack--rare--they would be unlikely to be crushed. The durability factor
hasn't seemed to be a factor, as I've got three Powerade bottles that I've
been using for three years. The leak factor hasn't played in because I cut
off the bottom ring first thing. The taste factor doesn't play because I run
them through the dishwasher before I use them, and then only use them for
water. The weight factor is obvious. The chemical leaching factor is of no
concern to me. Big business has assured me that I'll die early because of
some reason or another from ingesting some chemical--or two or three
hundred--that humans shouldn't ingest.
The only two reasons that I'll take my bottles over yours is cost and
weight. Those are the two reasons that sway me on most, but not all, of my
hiking hardware purchases.
Peace,
Frank
Mark Adkins
etc.- I LOVE the size (usually bigger than a regular water or pop bottle),
toughness, and bigger opening (allows ice, drink mix, etc.)
As a family, we 'recycle' drinking water bottles instantly by refilling them
with tap water and popping them in the fridge for a cold drink anytime. It
is very odd, however, watching the water bottles distort over time- while my
Gatoraids still look new.
I DO love my Nalgene Lexans. I can only find one, but we have had three. I
miss the other two! On the other hand, I can't afford to replace them right
now, and probably won't until the next backpacking or other 'tough on gear'
activitiy.
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Any Mouse
> stink and/or make the water tase funny. The dark ones are great for making
> hot water on a hike (if that is what you want), but the white/artic ones are
> not too bad overall. VERY UV stable.
Haven't seen white one yet but I have tan and green. Don't know what
kind of canteen you have that gives the water a funny taste or I might
just have bad taste buds. I have a GI canteen that usually rides
around in the back of my car with water in it, sometimes for weeks
without a change and it tastes okay.
BTW, warm water is better for you on hot days.
> Note: There IS a concern over plasticizers getting into the drinking water
> in some plastics, but the jury is still out as to the real health risks this
> involves.
According to our pediatrician, bottled water bottles are being blamed
for pre-mature puberty in many girls because an estrogen-like compound
leaches out of the plastic when it gets warm.
I'll stick with my GI canteens, they clip to my pack and the price was
right.
Douglas A. Shrader
> "Mark Adkins" <madki...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> > ARMY CANTEENS- I avoid these. They are tough and leakproof, but usually
> > stink and/or make the water tase funny. The dark ones are great for
making
> > hot water on a hike (if that is what you want), but the white/artic ones
are
> > not too bad overall. VERY UV stable.
>
> Haven't seen white one yet but I have tan and green. Don't know what
> kind of canteen you have that gives the water a funny taste or I might
> just have bad taste buds. I have a GI canteen that usually rides
> around in the back of my car with water in it, sometimes for weeks
> without a change and it tastes okay.
I agree. I have the green plastic 2 quart Army canteen.
When new, it did stink and "flavor" the water, but just fill it up, let it
sit overnight, rinse and repeat. After a few days the taste and odor were
gone and has never returned.
WebKatz
Here's what the Green Guide has to say
http://www.care2.com/channels/solutions/home/473
Polyethylene is probably your best bet, look for #2 or #4 on the bottom.
Mark Adkins
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>
> "Any Mouse" <Anymou...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > "Mark Adkins" <madki...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:<RYRab.541$KJ4...@news1.central.cox.net>...
> >
> > > ARMY CANTEENS- I avoid these. They are tough and leakproof, but
usually
> > > stink and/or make the water tase funny. The dark ones are great for
> making
> > > hot water on a hike (if that is what you want), but the white/artic
ones
> are
> > > not too bad overall. VERY UV stable.
> >
> > Haven't seen white one yet but I have tan and green. Don't know what
> > kind of canteen you have that gives the water a funny taste or I might
> > just have bad taste buds. I have a GI canteen that usually rides
> > around in the back of my car with water in it, sometimes for weeks
> > without a change and it tastes okay.
>
> I agree. I have the green plastic 2 quart Army canteen.
> When new, it did stink and "flavor" the water, but just fill it up, let it
> sit overnight, rinse and repeat. After a few days the taste and odor were
> gone and has never returned.
>
May be the place I am getting them from (we don't have a lot of mil surplus
locally), but the ones I tried stink so much I may not have given them a
fair trial. I know you can 'de-scent' most bottles like this by filling
2/3rds with lukewarm tape water, mix in a buncha baking soda, then let it
sit out of the sun for a few days- but I never got this far with them. The
white ones were pretty cool- artic issue. I got a couple and they were A LOT
better in smell/flavor, but I have never seen them since around here
(sometimes in one of my catalog, but now I am not in the market any more!)
> >
> > BTW, warm water is better for you on hot days.
> >
Warm- absolutely! But the water in the darker canteens can get hot enough to
make soup sometimes!
> > > Note: There IS a concern over plasticizers getting into the drinking
> water
> > > in some plastics, but the jury is still out as to the real health
risks
> this
> > > involves.
> >
> > According to our pediatrician, bottled water bottles are being blamed
> > for pre-mature puberty in many girls because an estrogen-like compound
> > leaches out of the plastic when it gets warm.
> >
The plasticizers that are being accused of this are also in the plastic used
for GI canteens and so on. While some blame water bottles, others are
blaming thngs microwaved in plastic. The website www.junkscience.com and
others discuss the debate. The bottom line is the lack of any real proof
(which may be due to the low doses/long-term exposure aspect- always a
difficult thing to work with.
> > I'll stick with my GI canteens, they clip to my pack and the price was
> > right.
>
In my mind- low price is a MAJOR factor! Go for it!
WebKatz
>
> The plasticizers that are being accused of this are also in the plastic
used
> for GI canteens and so on. While some blame water bottles, others are
> blaming thngs microwaved in plastic. The website www.junkscience.com and
> others discuss the debate. The bottom line is the lack of any real proof
> (which may be due to the low doses/long-term exposure aspect- always a
> difficult thing to work with.
>
The like they get the bulk of their stories from Fox News. Now THERE'S
unbiased journalism for you.
Bryan
> I keep seeing these Nalgene water bottles
> on racks all over the place - for $8.00 -
> What's the big deal with these bottles
> vs just a plain 1L or 2L water bottle ?
> Phil -
...They come in funky colors..
And there is that 'reliability' factor.. Never any surprises.
I like the fact that they are graduated, which helps me mix gatorade
in the bottle as well as pace my consumption of it.
The non-clear ones will take on a permanent flavor, so I only use them
for certain things, and don't swap.. They need to be 'seasoned'..I
have one for ground coffee, one for soap, etc.
The lexan ones never seem to hold odor, or develop that black mold
which ruined so many of my 'bike' bottles. All that is necessary with
the lexan is a quick rinse.
I used them this summer to bring back some ice cold glacial melt
water, to the house, and for a week, it tasted as incredible as it did
at the site.
I also like the new half liter size, and just modified two cages on
the bike to fit them.. A little bending involved...
Bryan
Jason Moore
"Bryan" <muffi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Phil Schuman" <pschuman_...@interserv.com> wrote in message
news:<aoJab.771$Hd6.5...@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>...
> > I keep seeing these Nalgene water bottles
> > on racks all over the place - for $8.00 -
> > What's the big deal with these bottles
> > vs just a plain 1L or 2L water bottle ?
> > Phil -
>
> ...They come in funky colors..
> And there is that 'reliability' factor.. Never any surprises.
> I like the fact that they are graduated, which helps me mix gatorade
> in the bottle as well as pace my consumption of it.
> The non-clear ones will take on a permanent flavor, so I only use them
> for certain things, and don't swap.. They need to be 'seasoned'..I
> have one for ground coffee, one for soap, etc.
> The lexan ones never seem to hold odor, or develop that black mold
> which ruined so many of my 'bike' bottles. All that is necessary with
> the lexan is a quick rinse.
Watch that black mold/fungus. I don't know if anyone here knows what that
stuff is, but a good friend got really sick after continuously drinking from
a bottle like that. I think he was doing some sort of tea mixture and after
a couple poor washing/rinsings he was down. Bad food poisoning type sick.
Could have been anything I guess, but everyone thought it was the black
mold.
J
toadmonkey
>HELLO WE'RE NOT DRINKING CAUSTIC BEVERAGES
>
>RICH
>
For further explanation....
HTH,
TM
..
Dihydrogen Monoxide - DHMO Facts
1. What is Dihydrogen Monoxide?
2. Should I be concerned about Dihydrogen Monoxide?
3. Why haven't I heard about Dihydrogen Monoxide before?
4. What are some of the dangers associated with DHMO?
5. What are some uses of Dihydrogen Monoxide?
6. What is the link between Dihydrogen Monoxide and school violence?
7. How does Dihydrogen Monoxide toxicity affect kidney dialysis patients?
8. Are there groups that oppose a ban on Dihydrogen Monoxide?
9. Has the press ignored this web site and the Dihydrogen Monoxide problem?
10. Is it true that using DHMO improves athletic performance?
11. Can using Dihydrogen Monoxide improve my sex life?
12. What are the symptoms of accidental Dihydrogen Monoxide overdose?
13. What is a chemical analysis of Dihydrogen Monoxide?
14. What can I do to minimize the risks?
15. How can I find out more about Dihydrogen Monoxide?
Frequently Asked Questions About Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO)
1. What is Dihydrogen Monoxide?
Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO) is a colorless and odorless chemical compound, also
referred to by some as Dihydrogen Oxide, Hydrogen Hydroxide, Hydronium
Hydroxide, or simply Hydric acid. Its basis is the unstable radical Hydroxide,
the components of which are found in a number of caustic, explosive and
poisonous compounds such as Sulfuric Acid, Nitroglycerine and Ethyl Alcohol.
For more detailed information, including precautions, disposal procedures and
storage requirements, refer to the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) for
Dihydrogen Monoxide.
2. Should I be concerned about Dihydrogen Monoxide?
Yes, you should be concerned about DHMO! Although the U.S. Government and the
Centers for Disease Control (CDC) do not classify Dihydrogen Monoxide as a toxic
or carcinogenic substance (as it does with better known chemicals such as
hydrochloric acid and saccharine), DHMO is a constituent of many known toxic
substances, diseases and disease-causing agents, environmental hazards and can
even be lethal to humans in quantities as small as a thimbleful.
Research conducted by award-winning U.S. scientist Nathan Zohner concluded that
roughly 86 percent of the population supports a ban on Dihydrogen Monoxide.
Although his results are preliminary, Zohner believes people need to pay closer
attention to the information presented to them regarding Dihydrogen Monoxide. He
adds that if more people knew the truth about DHMO then studies like the one he
conducted would not be necessary.
A similar study conducted by U.S. researchers Patrick K. McCluskey and Matthew
Kulick also found that nearly 90 percent of the citizens participating in their
study were willing to sign a petition to support an outright ban on the use of
Dihydrogen Monoxide in the United States.
3. Why haven't I heard about Dihydrogen Monoxide before?
Good question. Historically, the dangers of DHMO, for the most part, have been
considered minor and manageable. While the more significant dangers of
Dihydrogen Monoxide are currently addressed by a number of agencies including
FDA, FEMA and CDC, public awareness of the real and daily dangers of Dihydrogen
Monoxide is lower than some think it should be. Critics of government often cite
the fact that many politicians and others in public office do not consider
Dihydrogen Monoxide to be a "politically beneficial" cause to get behind, and so
the public suffers from a lack of reliable information on just what DHMO is and
why they should be concerned. Part of the blame lies with the public and society
at large. Many do not take the time to understand Dihydrogen Monoxide, and what
it means to their lives and the lives of their families.
Unfortunately, the dangers of DHMO have increased as world population has
increased, a fact that the raw numbers and careful research both bear out.
Now more than ever, it is important to be aware of just what the dangers of
Dihydrogen Monoxide are and how we can all reduce the risks faced by
ourselves and our families.
4. What are some of the dangers associated with DHMO?
Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many
thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of
dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of the known perils
of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:
Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities
Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage
Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically
life-threatening side-effects
DHMO is a major component of acid rain
Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns
Contributes to soil erosion
Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals
Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits
Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes
Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions
Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere
Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino
weather effect.
5. What are some uses of Dihydrogen Monoxide?
Despite the known dangers of DHMO, it continues to be used daily by
industry, government, and even in private homes across the U.S. and worldwide.
Some of the well-known uses of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:
as an industrial solvent and coolant
in nuclear power plants
by the U.S. Navy in the propulsion systems of some older vessels
by elite athletes to improve performance
in the production of Styrofoam
in biological and chemical weapons manufacture
as a spray-on fire suppressant and retardant
in abortion clinics
as a major ingredient in many home-brewed bombs
as a byproduct of hydrocarbon combustion in furnaces and air
conditioning compressor operation
in cult rituals
by the Church of Scientology on their members and their members'
families
by both the KKK and the NAACP during rallies and marches
by pedophiles and pornographers (for uses we'd rather not say here)
by the clientele at a number of homosexual bath houses in New York City
and San Francisco.
Historically:
in Hitler's death camps in Nazi Germany, and in prisons in Turkey,
Serbia, Croatia, Libya, Iraq and Iran
in World War II prison camps in Japan, and in prisons in China, for
various forms of torture
by the Serbian military as authorized by Slobodan Milosevic in their
recent ethnic cleansing campaign
in animal research laboratories
and in pesticide production and distribution.
What you may find surprising are some of the products and places where DHMO
is used, but which for one reason or another, are not normally made part of
public presentations on the dangers to the lives of our family members and
friends.
Among these startling uses are:
as an additive to food products
including jarred baby food and baby formula, and even in many soups
carbonated beverages and supposedly "all-natural" fruit juices
in cough medicines and other liquid pharmaceuticals
in spray-on oven cleaners
in shampoos, shaving creams, deodorants and numerous other bathroom
products
in bathtub bubble products marketed to children
as a preservative in grocery store fresh produce sections
in the production of beer by all the major beer distributors
in the coffee available at major coffee houses in the US and abroad
in Formula One race cars, although its use is regulated by the Formula
One Racing Commission
and as a target of ongoing NASA planetary and stellar research.
One of the most surprising facts recently revealed about Dihydrogen Monoxide
contamination is in its use as a food and produce "decontaminant." Studies have
shown that even after careful washing, food and produce that has been
contaminated by DHMO remains tainted by DHMO.
6. What is the link between Dihydrogen Monoxide and school violence?
A recent stunning revelation is that in every single instance of violence in our
country's schools, including infamous shootings in high schools in Denver and
Arkansas, Dihydrogen Monoxide was involved. In fact, DHMO is often very
available to students of all ages within the assumed safe confines of school
buildings. None of the school administrators with which we spoke could say for
certain how much of the substance is in use within their very hallways.
7. How does Dihydrogen Monoxide toxicity affect kidney dialysis patients?
Unfortunately, DHMO overdose is not unheard of in patients undergoing
dialysis treatments for kidney failure. Dihydrogen Monoxide overdose in these
patients can result in congestive heart failure, pulmonary edema and
hypertension. In spite on the danger of accidental overdose and the inherent
toxicity of DHMO in large quantities for this group, there is a portion of the
dialysis treated population that continues to use DHMO on a regular basis.
8. Are there groups that oppose a ban on Dihydrogen Monoxide?
In spite of overwhelming evidence, there is one group in California that
opposes a ban on Dihydrogen Monoxide. The Friends of Hydrogen Hydroxide is a
group that believes that the dangers of DHMO have been exaggerated. Members
claim that Dihydrogen Monoxide, or the less emotionally charged and more
chemically accurate term they advocate for it, "Hydrogen Hydroxide," is
beneficial, environmentally safe, benign and naturally occurring. They argue
that efforts to ban DHMO are misguided.
Friends of Hydrogen Hydroxide is supported by the Scorched Earth Party, a
radical and loosely-organized California-based group. Sources close to the
Scorched Earth Party deny any outside funding from government, industry or
pro-industry PACs.
9. Has the press ignored this web site and the Dihydrogen Monoxide problem?
For the most part, the press has not reported on the dangers of Dihydrogen
Monoxide as much as some would like. Although many private individuals have put
up web sites in a major grassroots effort to spread the word, major publications
have not.
A notable exception is U.S. News & World Report which included a link the
DHMO.org in a story on " Weird Science" in their October 11, 1999 issue.
Unfortunately, the article ignores the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide, instead
making light of various research projects by calling them "scientific satire."
The researchers at DHMO.org were disappointed that no mention of the risks of
DHMO was made, but are thankful for the exposure on a national level in
this very distinguished publication.
10. Is it true that using DHMO improves athletic performance?
Absolutely! With the numerous allegations of amateur and professional athletes
using anabolic steroids and/or blood doping to enhance performance, virtually no
attention has been paid to the performance enhancing properties of Dihydrogen
Monoxide. It is perhaps the sporting world's dirtiest of dirty little secrets
that athletes regularly ingest large quantities of DHMO in an effort to gain a
competitive edge over an opponent.
One technique commonly used by endurance athletes in sports such as distance
running and cycling is to take a large amount of DHMO immediately prior to a
race. This is known within racing circles to dramatically improve performance.
Sports-medicine physicians warn that ingesting too much Dihydrogen Monoxide can
lead to complications and unwanted side-effects, but do acknowledge the link to
improved performance. DHMO is not currently considered a banned substance, so
post-race urine tests do not detect elevated or abnormal levels of DHMO.
11. Can using Dihydrogen Monoxide improve my sex life?
This is a popular myth, but one which is also actually supported by a number of
scientific facts. Dihydrogen Monoxide plays an instrumental role in the centers
of the brain associated with increased libido and orgasm. So, much as with
endurance athletes, moderate intake of DHMO prior to engaging in sexual activity
may enhance performance, although the same caveats apply.
12. What are the symptoms of accidental Dihydrogen Monoxide overdose?
You may not always recognize that you have been a victim of accidental DHMO
overdose, so here are some signs and symptoms to look for. If you suspect
Dihydrogen Monoxide overdose, or if you exhibit any of these symptoms, you
should consult with your physician or medical practitioner. The data presented
here is provided for informational purposes only, and should in no way be
construed as medical advice of any sort. Watch for these symptoms:
Excessive sweating
Excessive urination
Bloated feeling
Nausea
Vomiting
Electrolyte imbalance
Hyponatremia (serum hypotonicity)
Dangerously imbalanced levels of ECF and ICF in the blood
Degeneration of sodium homeostasis
A recently noted medical phenomenon involves small amounts of DHMO leaking or
oozing from the corners of the eyes as a direct result of causes such as foreign
particulate irritation, allergic reactions including anaphylactic shock, and
sometimes severe chemical depression.
13. What is a chemical analysis of Dihydrogen Monoxide
Recently, German analytical chemist Christoph von Bueltzingsloewen at the
Universitaet Regensburg identified what may be key reasons why the dangers of
DHMO are ever present. According to von Bueltzingsloewen, the chemical
separation of dihydrogenoxide from the hazardous oxygendihydride is extremely
difficult. The two similar compounds curiously occur in nearly equimolar
distribution wherever they are found. It is not clear how the two contribute
directly to the dangers inherent in Dihydrogen Monoxide, although von
Bueltzingsloewen believes that a synergetic mechanism, catalyzed by traces of
hydrogenhydroxide, plays a major role.
14. What can I do to minimize the risks?
Fortunately, there is much you can do to minimize your dangers due to
Dihydrogen Monoxide exposure. First, use common sense. Whenever you are
dealing with any product or food that you feel may be contaminated with DHMO,
evaluate the relative danger to you and your family, and act accordingly. Keep
in mind that in many instances, low-levels of Dihydrogen Monoxide contamination
are not dangerous, and in fact, are virtually unavoidable. Remember, the
responsibility for your safety and the safety of your family lies with you.
Second, exercise caution when there is the potential for accidental
inhalation or ingestion of DHMO. If you feel uncomfortable, remove yourself from
a dangerous situation. Better safe than sorry.
Third, don't panic. Although the dangers of Dihydrogen Monoxide are very real,
by exercising caution and common sense, you can rest assured knowing that you
are doing everything possible to keep you and your family safe.
15. How can I find out more about Dihydrogen Monoxide?
We would be happy to tell you more about DHMO! Send us email, and we'll gladly
attempt to keep you up-to-date on current developments in the study of
Dihydrogen Monoxide, its uses and misuses.
There are a number of sites on the world wide web that contain more information
on DHMO and related topics. It should be noted that we do not endorse these
sites, nor do we control their content or political bias.
Links to related information
DHMO web sites
Coalition to Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide (Headquarters)
Coalition to Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide (RPI)
Coalition to Ban Dihydrogen Monoxide (Netreach)
Friends of Hydrogen Hydroxide (DHMO supporters)
Material Safety Data Sheet
Environmental & Safety Information
SafetyBiz.com - Safety Engineer Jay Preston, expert in safety services and
accident prevention.
Clean Air Engineering - promoting environmental responsibility and economic
prosperity
URL: http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
Copyright © 1997-2000 by Tom Way
Contact: <dire...@dhmo.org>
cy...@tiny.net.invalid
wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 02:53:39 GMT, "RICH" <united...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>HELLO WE'RE NOT DRINKING CAUSTIC BEVERAGES
>>
>>RICH
>>
>For further explanation....
>HTH,
>TM
>..
>
>Dihydrogen Monoxide - DHMO Facts
Thank you. I enjoy that more every time I read it.
--
rbc:vixen,Minnow Goddess,Willow Watcher,and all that sort of thing.
Often taunted by trout.
Only a fool would refuse to believe in luck. Only a damn fool would rely on it.
Rick Courtright
> They don't leak, they are nearly indestructible, they do not pick up
> funny flavors, and they don't leak.
Well, yeah, at least until they start to turn yellow, at which point
they're about to craze, split, leak all over and in general make you
wonder why you spent $8 for a $2 bottle! If you can find bottles from
Reliance (in Canada) I think you're getting a better bottle at about
half the price of Nalgene.
Rick (who still owns a handful of Nalgenes, but will replace 'em with
something different when the time comes)
--
To e-mail me is easy: if you send no SPAM in the message, you need no
SPAM in the address.
Rick Courtright
> probably close to 35 years old. Maybe the new ones just aren't as
> good quality as the old ones.
Wow! I'm in SoCal, near Palm Springs, and figure about five years is the
best I've gotten before they start to turn color, which is THE
indication to me they're gonna fail soon.
Rick
Wild Monkshood
Any Mouse wrote:
The only thing about canteens is it's hard to see how clean they are. That's why I like my Nalgene.
I can easily see that there is no bacteria or fungus build-up..........
Wild Monkshood
Bob Haar
> Steve wrote:
>
>> probably close to 35 years old. Maybe the new ones just aren't as
>> good quality as the old ones.
>
> Wow! I'm in SoCal, near Palm Springs, and figure about five years is the
> best I've gotten before they start to turn color, which is THE
> indication to me they're gonna fail soon.
I can't match the 35 years, but I have a couple of the translucent variety
that are over twenty years old. They have been used quite a bit in
backpacking and camping with no signs of yellowing or becoming brittle. My
only problem has been that the strap connecting the cap to the ring around
the bottle has broken on one. Maybe temperature is the differentiating
factor. My use has been mainly in the Midwest and East Coast.
Penny S
> "Penny S" <pennys...@cetinvalid.com> wrote in message
> news:<vmni2o5...@corp.supernews.com>...
>> Any Mouse scrawled in bright red lipstick:
>>> "Penny S" <pennys...@cetinvalid.com> wrote in message
>>> news:<vmmt1kt...@corp.supernews.com>...
>>>
>>>> plastic liter pop and water bottles tend to get kind of wrecked
>>>> after a trip or two. They are too soft.
>>>
>>> So? They are free. They get wrecked, you throw them away.
>>
>> you don't recycle them? Shame on you.
>
> Thrown away, recycled. Pretty much the same thing -- they're out of
> my house.
recycled: turned into another product ( polarfleece, shopping bags, park
benches)
tossed in the trash: landfill.
not the same to me.
P.
RICH
determined it. Be it from trans fats,acid rain or even hey just plain old
age. No body lives forever. I plan to not worry about it and enjoy the time
that I have.
RICH
Forest
"RICH" <united...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Forest
"Rick Courtright" <rcour...@iname.SPAMcom> wrote in message
news:3F6D5C8F...@iname.SPAMcom...
> "Douglas A. Shrader" wrote:
>
> > I agree. I have the green plastic 2 quart Army canteen.
> > When new, it did stink and "flavor" the water, but just fill it up, let
it
> > sit overnight, rinse and repeat. After a few days the taste and odor
were
> > gone and has never returned.
>
> Old trick, still works: store your canteens empty, dry, with a half
> stick of your favorite chewing gum tossed in and the cap screwed on
> lightly. Removes most "bad" odors and tastes, does leave a tiny bit of
> the gum flavor for the first couple of uses.
Desert Traveler
My Grandfather lived to be 90 years old. He drank and smoked every day. My
Grandmother said, "I told him that the drinking and smoking was going to
kill him."
Someone said something like, "Those who are the most afraid of dying are the
ones who are most afraid of living." You have to believe in something, even
if it is as simple as living life and having a good time.
Steve
Desert Traveler
questions are: Are they good for taking hot liquids? If so, do you preheat?
Are they double walled like a stainless thermos? What materials are they
made of? Are they well insulated? Any caveats or tips?
Steve
Frank Looper
"Forest" <for...@myhome.com> wrote in message
> Amen brother...
>
> "RICH" <united...@verizon.net>
Gary S.
wrote:
Exposure to chlorine or iodine makes a difference, as well as UV and
stress.
Replacement caps are available in some outdoors shops.
Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
------------------------------------------------
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Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom
Forest
"Desert Traveler" <desertNOSP...@lvcm.com> wrote in message
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Desert Traveler
> Ones attitude has a lot to do with longevity...
Your mind can make you sick or it can heal you.
Steve
WebKatz
Would you eat raw chicken? Would you drink benzene? Would you sit in a
closed garage with your car running?
Live healthy or unhealthy, you die anyway. But ignorance isn't macho and it
sure doesn't improve your odds.
RICH
fluid or smoke dried bird shit! I camp and drink water from my frickin
plastic bottle! I carry my food in tupperware to work and I microwave my
food til it screams! I also eat my steak rare so thats gonna kill me too.
So, what the hell I think I am going to build a hermetically sealed bubble
drink boiled water from the glass pot and stop breathing. No matter what it
is someone out there is going to find SOMETHING wrong with, or how it will
make my balls shrink and make me grow hair on my eyeballs. Lets go I don't
need anymore kids and hell if it will make ME grow hair Im all for it.
Little work makes for long campouts!!!
RICH
PLASTIC MAKES IT POSSIBLE!!!!!!!
cy...@tiny.net.invalid
wrote:
Some of you astound me. Others come as no surprize.
It's WATER. H20, folks.
It's a JOKE.
It's making fun of all the studies that show perfectly normal things
to be harmful. Yes, water can be harmful occasionally, but give us a
few days without it and we're in pitiful shape, if not dead. It's the
clue that we should all take when reading studies, much less faux
science news reports about this or that menace.
Every thing said in it is true, but leads to false conclusions.
OTOH, there are things out there that are harmful in very small
amounts.
WebKatz
> Look people, I have common sense! I'm not gonna drink benzene or lighter
> fluid or smoke dried bird shit! I camp and drink water from my frickin
> plastic bottle! I carry my food in tupperware to work and I microwave my
> food til it screams!
I thought you said you had common sense?
Oh well...
WebKatz
<cy...@tiny.net.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> OTOH, there are things out there that are harmful in very small
> amounts.
Stupidity would be one of them ;)
Bryan
> In alt.rec.hiking Phil Schuman <pschuman_...@interserv.com> wrote:
> > I keep seeing these Nalgene water bottles
> > on racks all over the place - for $8.00 -
> > What's the big deal with these bottles
> > vs just a plain 1L or 2L water bottle ?
>
> like them. Heavy like brick. Don't leak? What bottle does leak? Name me
> one!
>
> Ilja.
Platypus.
Never rely on a platypus bag. At the very least, replace the cap it
comes with, with a std. soda bottle cap. It will be better, but it
will still suck.
Desert Traveler
"WebKatz" <webk...@webkatz.not> wrote in message
news:vmsb13e...@corp.supernews.com...
I know it is difficult for those of you who know everything to tolerate
those of us who don't. Please have patience and tolerance.
Steve
MLL
First, HE RECYCLED the bottle immediately by using it for another purpose.
That's what recycling is all about in the 1st place.
Second, he said he threw it away. I throw mine away too! I throw them into
the recycling bin. Maybe he did too.
When there are so many positive interpretations why must the worst always be
assumed?
Go figure.
RICH
Work little camp often
RICH
with it. mine is about two years old and I still use the original cap.
Rich
toadmonkey
Amen cyli!
Jeeeeze! Throw a bit of humor in here and you guys go fricken psychotic on me.
Ya know, I've tried my little bit to toss some humor in here as well as what I
know from my experience in camping, but for the most part I found 98% of the
regular posters to be assholes. And when you guys can't take a little bit of
humor without getting psychotic, I say you don't need to go camping, you need to
go get yourself a shrink and learn how to get a life!
At least cyli sees the humor in the dihydrogen monoxide post (try asking for a
glas of it at a restaurant. Very entertaining I assure you).
TM
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are not really good for hot beverages. The thick plastic is probably going
to be OK, but it is not very insulative, and there is the concern about the
pasticizers leeching out when heated.
"Desert Traveler" <desertNOSP...@lvcm.com> wrote in message
news:Utkbb.1957$Ms2.918@fed1read03...
Mark Adkins
> I haven't had a bad experience with mine YET, what problem have you had
> with it. mine is about two years old and I still use the original cap.
>
>
> Rich
>
>
frozen solid a couple times.
Mark Adkins
The lemons trick works as well- I have also been told to microwave what
would basically be a lemon tea or lemon water in the microwave at low power.
I prefer the baking soad soak, but it is nice ot know other alternatives!
"Forest" <for...@myhome.com> wrote in message
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Rick Courtright
> Ya know, I've tried my little bit to toss some humor in here as well as what I
> know from my experience in camping, but for the most part I found 98% of the
> regular posters to be assholes. And when you guys can't take a little bit of
Hmmm... I'm occasionally depressed, sometimes possibly a little
neurotic, generally misanthropic, certifiably a curmudgeon, work hard
daily at convincing the world that I AM an a-hole, and still found it to
be the funniest post I saw all day. Even forwarded it to some people in
Dihydrogen Monoxide Management in hopes they, too, would enjoy it.
How could I possibly have done that with all my other faults? Now I'm
really confused.
Any Mouse
> Any Mouse scrawled in bright red lipstick:
Hey, I use dark red lipstick!
> > Thrown away, recycled. Pretty much the same thing -- they're out of
> > my house.
>
> recycled: turned into another product ( polarfleece, shopping bags, park
> benches)
> tossed in the trash: landfill.
Our trash all becomes electricity.
> not the same to me.
As I said, thrown away includes both trash and recycling because the
important thing is that is out of my house.
Any Mouse
> The plasticizers that are being accused of this are also in the plastic used
> for GI canteens and so on.
So I'm going to grow boobs after all.
> While some blame water bottles, others are
> blaming thngs microwaved in plastic. The website www.junkscience.com and
> others discuss the debate. The bottom line is the lack of any real proof
> (which may be due to the low doses/long-term exposure aspect- always a
> difficult thing to work with.
I pay my doctor for his brains, he has two PhDs and an MD. He's the
type that believes very little of what he reads and then researches
that to the nth degree. He said the warmth promotes the leaching
(microwaving?), consequently there is a major problem with premature
puberty in places like Puerto Rico where it is warm and they drink
mucho bottled water. There may not be enough evidence yet but they
said the same thing about smoking and cancer, asbestos, DDT, Freon, .
. . .
James F. Cornwall
>
> I don't care about that chemical compound jiberish, I will die when God has
> determined it. Be it from trans fats,acid rain or even hey just plain old
> age. No body lives forever. I plan to not worry about it and enjoy the time
> that I have.
>
Umm, you do realize that "DiHydrogen Monoxide" translates as the
chemical formula for H20, more commonly known as "Water", right? That
the whole thing is a joke?
JFC
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RICH
people, Glad to see that I could give you a pleasant laugh.
Can you fly a Boeing 767?
Rich
Galt@nomail.com John Galt
>
> Can you fly a Boeing 767?
>
> Rich
Sadly, this has become a bad example to many, in light of 9/11...
Perhaps "Can you fly a Boeing 767 professionally?" is more appropriate.
John
RICH
Rich
United Airlines ---BWI----
RICH
James F. Cornwall
I'm not a chemist either, I'm a database programmer. And no, I cannot
fly a 767., along with a whole lot of other things I cannot do. Please
note, RICH, that I never called you stupid, nor do I think you are (I
have no evidence one way or the other, hell you might be Albert
Einstein's equal for all I know).
Jim
Any Mouse
> No, I did not, I am not a chemist. But thanks for clarifying it to us STUPID
> people, Glad to see that I could give you a pleasant laugh.
> Can you fly a Boeing 767?
I'm not a Chemist either but anyone who's had 6th grade science should
be able to figure it out. Most pilots that I know have a
scientific/technical education so they've had at least 6th grade
science.
Fly a 767? Stick, rudder, ball, etc..
Matt
"Phil Schuman" <pschuman_...@interserv.com> wrote in message
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> I keep seeing these Nalgene water bottles
> on racks all over the place - for $8.00 -
> What's the big deal with these bottles
> vs just a plain 1L or 2L water bottle ?
>
Hey Phil,
You certainly got a lot o hits on this one.
Nalgene bottles are nearly indestructable. The can be dropped, kicked,
tossed...without damaging the bottle. The do not impart nasty tastes or
leftover flavors. They don't get too brittle. And no matter what they
think, I can't believe that using a Polycarbonate Bottle one weekend an
month with promote infertility...
I've never had a problem with my bottles, and I only know of the lid straps
breaking after a time of missuse. I also understand that Nalgene will
guarantee the bottles if they break, you only have to return them to Nalgene
and they will replace them. I'm not positive about this since I've never
heard of one breaking under normal circumstances.
Matt
Douglas A. Shrader
I flew one in Microsoft flight simulator, but I can never find the airport
to land and end up crash landing everytime. ;-)
>
WebKatz
"Matt" <kb6...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Phil Schuman" <pschuman_...@interserv.com> wrote in message
> news:aoJab.771$Hd6.5...@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com...
> > I keep seeing these Nalgene water bottles
> > on racks all over the place - for $8.00 -
> > What's the big deal with these bottles
> > vs just a plain 1L or 2L water bottle ?
> > Phil -
> >
>
>
> Hey Phil,
>
> You certainly got a lot o hits on this one.
>
> Nalgene bottles are nearly indestructable. The can be dropped, kicked,
> tossed...without damaging the bottle. The do not impart nasty tastes or
> leftover flavors. They don't get too brittle. And no matter what they
> think, I can't believe that using a Polycarbonate Bottle one weekend an
> month with promote infertility...
>
That's good, because that's not what hormone disrupters do. Nor do they give
you tits (guys or gals), or shrunken gonads, or hair on your eyeballs.
They get treated by your body as honest-to-god hormones, resulting in
increased risk for breast cancer (guys and gals). If you've got a choice in
the matter, which we all do, you might want to stick with safer #2 or #4
Polyethylene. As a bonus, Polyethylene Nalgene are about a third the price
of the Lexan ones, and mine have lasted half of forever.
Dave
bkr
> I keep seeing these Nalgene water bottles
> on racks all over the place - for $8.00 -
> What's the big deal with these bottles
> vs just a plain 1L or 2L water bottle ?
> Phil -
>
>
>
Ever do any ice climbing with a gatorade bottle? They freeze solid
unless they're against your body and even then, the tops usually freeze
so you have nothing to drink. Nalgenes, because of the really wide
mouth don't freeze up as quickly.
I've dropped a gatorade bottle while climbing from about 20 feet and it
exploded, giving everyone on the ground a nice shower. I've dropped a
nalgene from nearly 100 feet with barely a scratch. Then again, I've
used a nalgene inside a fire circle to heat my water for making tea
(didn't have any pots because we were supposed to eat cold meals). I
wouldn't recommend this as a regular habit but it did work. I couldn't
have done it with a "regular" water bottle because it would have melted
much faster. Then nalgene did get soft but it didn't melt through.
I've carried mine all over the country and used it in temperatures from
30 below zero (F) to well over 100 (F) and no issues at all. They are
heavy, but durable. If all you do is standard hiking, the newer
gatorade bottles that have double walls will generally work just as
well, and like someone else said, they are free. (Or essentially free
anyway.) But for me, I carry at least one nalgene, one camelback (100
oz.) and one smaller gatorade bottle pretty much on every outing because
I'm climbing, kayaking, hiking or whatever and I need the rugged
strength and reliability in EVERY situation, not just most.
bkr
MLL
I look at Nalgene and say "Why not"
MLL
degenerate.
I'm buying lithium futures.
Pete Hickey
MLL <reply.to.the.group.not.me> wrote:
>No, the guy said he USED the bottle many times and then threw it away.
>First, HE RECYCLED the bottle immediately by using it for another purpose.
>That's what recycling is all about in the 1st place.
Small point.
Not exactly... ReUSING is not recycling. It is actually better
(environmental-wise) to re-use than to recycle. You, know,
the three "R's" they talk about... reuse-recycle-reduce.
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"Pete Hickey" <pe...@bitman.uottawa.ca.DELETE.ME> wrote in message
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> In article <3f6e35a7$0$213$9a6e...@news.newshosting.com>,
> MLL <reply.to.the.group.not.me> wrote:
>
> >No, the guy said he USED the bottle many times and then threw it away.
> >First, HE RECYCLED the bottle immediately by using it for another
purpose.
> >That's what recycling is all about in the 1st place.
>
> Small point.
> Not exactly... ReUSING is not recycling. It is actually better
> (environmental-wise) to re-use than to recycle. You, know,
> the three "R's" they talk about... reuse-recycle-reduce.
>
Here's a definition of recycle to consider.
"To recondition and adapt to a new use or function"
In fact, reusing is a better form of 'recycling' because there's no energy
consumed in manufacturing a new item from discarded materials.
Mark Adkins
"Any Mouse" <Anymou...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Absolutely- but they also had huge health warning about 'alar' on apples-
enough to put some apple producers out of business- and that was basically a
hoax. A lot of things are said by the scientific community (or, more
commonly, by the media hypers) that are not true and cause a lot of harm-
more harm, sometimes, than the condition they were trying to prevent would
have.
I ain't trying to claim that the plasticizers element is nonsense, but
neither do I take preliminary reports and hypothosesis (spelling?) for fact.
IF (and I really am trying ot keep an open mind here) warm water bottles
leach out, then microwaved plastics of similar chemical composition should
do so at least as much if not more- and this is indeed a big banner being
waved by a few consumer scare... er, I mean, 'watchdog' groups... (judging
the groups here, not the actual issue)and yet, there is no good study yet
that has determined that there is a hazardous level of plasticizers in the
microwaved food. Some studies point to the plastic wrap packaged around a
lot of food as having highest level of leaching while the food is in storage
or shipping.
I'm sorry, Any Mouse- I did not mean to unload here- there is just so much
of this stuff going on today, and it is so difficult to sort through the
junk and the truth and find honest risk assessments that I get a little
crazy sometimes.
Any Mouse
> IF (and I really am trying ot keep an open mind here) warm water bottles
> leach out, then microwaved plastics of similar chemical composition should
> do so at least as much if not more- and this is indeed a big banner being
> waved by a few consumer scare... er, I mean, 'watchdog' groups... (judging
> the groups here, not the actual issue)and yet, there is no good study yet
> that has determined that there is a hazardous level of plasticizers in the
> microwaved food.
If I must err, I'd rather err on the side of caution than to say, "Oh,
no one has proved that it causes cancer so it must be safe."
A big problem is that plastics are so embedded in our society that
unless they caused a horrible death in 98% of the population, very few
are willing to do without.
BTW, I don't microwave in plastic.
toadmonkey
People do not realize that plastic is NOT infailable. If it can be made, it can
be broken down. Concrete, steel, aluminum, plastic, etc. Heat improves the
chances of a break down.
RICH
RICH