Uniform: Unit Commissioner headgear and neckwear
Robert N Meyer
picked up by reading the on-line stuff about doing this job is that a
Unit Commissioiner should set a good example uniform-wise (and every
other way, I would assume). The uniform inspection sheet says that a
Boy Scout leader gets to choose from a couple different hats and
neckerchiefs and a Cub Scout leader gets to choose from some others.
Well, it looks like, initially, I'll be assigned to one cub scout pack
and one boy scout troop. I don't want to show favoritism by choosing
Boy Scout-specific or Cub Scout-specific uniform accessories. Is there
some sort of generic leader hat or neckerchief? The inspection sheet
DOES mention an olive leader's tie, which I'd go with if it was in the
catalog. There is the option of no neckwear with an open-collar short
sleeve shirt and I'll probably end up going that way unless someone has
a better idea.
By the way, I've never been an adult leader in Scouting, so I don't have
any old stuff to wear ... I'm buying everything that I need new.
--
Robert N Meyer, KB0GT
mailto:KB...@ARRL.net
http://Bob.MeyerPlanet.net
Dave Filpus
<KB...@ARRL.net> wrote:
I'd suggest a bolo, instead of a neckerchief. It's uniform, but will
not look like either of the units. Not many units have a troop bolo or
have selected the generic bolo as uniform. An Eagle or O/A bolo would
be distinctive.
--
YiS
Dave Filpus
Scoutmaster Troop 9
Chapel Hill North Carolina
Eagle/1967 Vigil/1970
Bill Nelson
I don't know if you really need a hat. You can wear any of the Scout
Leader
hats:
Boy Scout Expedition Hat
BSA/Flag Boonie Hat
Campaign Hat
Most commissioners, if they wear a uniform hat, wear the Campaign Hat
(you also use the Adult Universal Hat Pin, sold separately)
But it is a bit expensive right off.. you might want to wait a bit.
Don't worry about neckwear... go to Woodbadge at your earliest
convinience, and you will get the opportunity to purchase
a neckerchief there that commissioners who wear neckerchiefs
wear.
Again, welcome!
YiS,
Bill
E. Randy Spradling
and headgear for yourself, or is this for purposes of uniform inspection of the
unit leadership?
Hats:
If it is for you, I would suggest you either forgo the hat or wear the generic
Boy Scout hat - bill cap, slouch hat, or campaign hat, depending on your
tastes, interests and pocketbook. If you are inspecting units, the leaders
either forgo hats or wear whatever Scout-appropriate hat the troop elected to
wear.
Neckwear:
Either wear an open collar or a bolo tie. The regular tie is really for dress
occasions only, and the only real non-unit neckerchief is the Wood Badge scarf,
anyway.
Unit leaders should follow the uniforming practices of the boys.
The Uniform is a method of Scouting, not anaim (although Supply Division may
differ with that opinion :)). The inspections should have some element of fuin
in them, with some little reward for a perfect score. This ain't the military,
ya know.
Randy Spradling ADC
Robert N Meyer
sheet as a guide for what I should strive for for myself. (... because
of the comments in some of the stuff that I've read about the Unit
Commissioner setting a good example.)
I do have to say that *I* find the campaign hat a little ... um ...
scary. But, that's probably just me, since the first time I really
encountered a campaign-style hat was at MCRD San Diego ... Marine Corps
boot camp. :-) And believe me, I will not be mistaking this for the
military. (I learned long ago that I'm way too laid-back for the
military.)
--
Robert N Meyer
stepping into here, and feeling welcome here will be a big help for me.
I would like to go to Woodbadge, but that's probably a ways out for me.
I'm in more urgent need of lots of other education. (I'm reading
everything I can get my hands on. I've bought the Cub Scout Leader's
Book, Boy Scout Handbook, Scoutmaster book, and Troop Committee book and
have been jumping around reading all of them.) I earned my Wolf and
Bear as a Cub Scout back in the 60's and I was my son's adult partner in
Tiger Cubs last year ... that's the extent of my Scouting experience, so
I have a LOT of learning to do to be a good Unit Commissioner.
--
I am the Eggman
wrote:
>Unit leaders should follow the uniforming practices of the boys.
So if the boys wear their shirts untucked and dirty and wear their
caps backwards, you'll do the same?
E. Randy Spradling
>sheet as a guide for what I should strive for for myself. (... because
>of the comments in some of the stuff that I've read about the Unit
>Commissioner setting a good example.)
Sometimes, the best image example is to just make sure that you wear a complete
uniform (shirt, pants, belt, socks) with proper insignia (Council Shoulder
Patch and Office insignia), along with a positive attitude and a willingness to
help <if asked for help>.
>I do have to say that *I* find the campaign hat a little ... um ...
>scary.
It isn't that bad, just a little...um...pricey.
Mine is over 30 yrs old, Dad wore it when he took Wood Badge, and turned it
over to me as soon as he got back. Been mine ever since; still wear it
everywhere. The hold up pretty well with a minimum amount of care (and a hat
press), although the sweat band started to come apart about a year ago.
>But, that's probably just me, since the first time I really
>encountered a campaign-style hat was at MCRD San Diego ... Marine Corps
>boot camp. :-) And believe me, I will not be mistaking this for the
>military. (I learned long ago that I'm way too laid-back for the
>military.)
>
Good to hear! I have seen some commissioners back in the day forget that they
are there to help, and start bossing unit leaders around.
Randy Spradling ADC
E. Randy Spradling
>>Unit leaders should follow the uniforming practices of the boys.
>
>So if the boys wear their shirts untucked and dirty and wear their
>caps backwards, you'll do the same?
>
Very funny, Egghead. Now go pound sand.
Randy
I am the Eggman
wrote:
>>
Tsk, tsk, tsk. That's not very Scoutish, is it? You made the
statement, I simply asked for a clarification. Is it my fault that
you have a poor command of the English language?
JOHN HOLLADAY
where we meet.
John "Doc" Holladay
SM T1000
Plano, Tx
"Robert N Meyer" <KB...@ARRL.net> wrote in message
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John Gezelius
olive (yes, it's about 20 years old and looks like a new penny), olive
trousers, shined brown shoes, minimal, but perfect patches and knots (council
strip, round commissioiner's badge, arrowhead, two knots) and a bolo tie. The
olive tie was only when I wore a long sleve shirt in the winter time.
At appropriate times I'd wear my Woodbadge neckerchief, woggle, & beads.
Although I'm a Vigil Honor member of OA, I did not wear OA insignia, with the
exception of the red & white OA ribbon, but I really only wore that
occaisionally.
Less stuff on the uniform make those items that are displayed stand out even
more. They's got to be correct. And although we're not professionals in the
sense of being paid employees, we are the folks affiiiliated with the council
that will be looked to for advice and counsel when things go wrong and we've
got to look and act like "pros" when we deal with units. Not looking like a
'badge hound' enhances that image.
John Gezelius
Orange, California
C J Campbell
I am bald, and my head burns easily, and one day I discovered I had lost my
Scout hat, so I had to make do with a white Stetson that I keep in my truck.
Bad news. That white Stetson became so identified with me that I am like to
be tarred and feathered if I ever wear anything else.
Everyone knows it is not the proper uniform hat. They don't care. They won't
let me off the hook and I'm stuck with it. Worst part is, it makes it easy
for people to find me when they want me to do some work.
Chris (who is only partly kidding)
C J Campbell
"E. Randy Spradling" <free...@aol.com> wrote in message
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|
| It isn't that bad, just a little...um...pricey.
| Mine is over 30 yrs old, Dad wore it when he took Wood Badge, and turned
it
| over to me as soon as he got back. Been mine ever since; still wear it
| everywhere. The hold up pretty well with a minimum amount of care (and a
hat
| press), although the sweat band started to come apart about a year ago.
|
You can get a replacement sweat band, if you want. Some Scout shops know
where to go, or any good hat shop can help you.
E. Randy Spradling
>>>
>>>So if the boys wear their shirts untucked and dirty and wear their
>>>caps backwards, you'll do the same?
>>>
>>Very funny, Egghead. Now go pound sand.
>
>Tsk, tsk, tsk. That's not very Scoutish, is it? You made the
>statement, I simply asked for a clarification. Is it my fault that
>you have a poor command of the English language?
>
I don't know about not being Scoutish - maybe it's time for a little Scoutish
Stoving of heads with the Scout Staves like back in the olden days.
Volunteering to being on the receiving end? >:/
Egghead, I suspect that you already knew the answer, as would anyone who had
more than two brain cells to rub together. It is unfortunate that some boys
have no more self-esteem than to wear their hats backwards and their shirttails
hanging out. All we can do is look our best, not dumb ourselves down, wear the
uniform correctly and hope that we lead by example.
What I meant was that if the boys vote to wear neckerchiefs and particular
hats, then the adult leaders should follow suit; but you already knew that,
didn't you?
Randy
Rick Tyler
wrote:
<snip>
>Neckwear:
>Either wear an open collar or a bolo tie. The regular tie is really for dress
>occasions only, and the only real non-unit neckerchief is the Wood Badge scarf,
>anyway.
The Sammamish Trails District of the Chief Seattle Council awards a
special neckerchief to adults that complete Scoutmaster (and
presumably Cub leader) training. It is highly prized by adults
because it is larger than the standard BSA size. Other than that, I
believe Randy is correct. The bolo sounds like a good idea for a
Commissioner.
Thanks for taking on this job, by the way. We could all use more
active commissioners.
Yours in Scouting,
Rick Tyler
ASM, Troop 571
Chief Seattle Council
I am the Eggman
wrote:
>Egghead, I suspect that you already knew the answer, as would anyone who had
>more than two brain cells to rub together. It is unfortunate that some boys
>have no more self-esteem than to wear their hats backwards and their shirttails
>hanging out. All we can do is look our best, not dumb ourselves down, wear the
>uniform correctly and hope that we lead by example.
>
>What I meant was that if the boys vote to wear neckerchiefs and particular
>hats, then the adult leaders should follow suit; but you already knew that,
>didn't you?
No, I didn't. I have to deal with leaders who wear Nike caps and
never tuck their shirts in because they want to "look like one of the
boys."
polarbear
"> I would like to go to Woodbadge, but that's probably a ways out for me.
> I'm in more urgent need of lots of other education. (I'm reading
> everything I can get my hands on. I've bought the Cub Scout Leader's
> Book, Boy Scout Handbook, Scoutmaster book, and Troop Committee book and
> have been jumping around reading all of them.) I earned my Wolf and
> Bear as a Cub Scout back in the 60's and I was my son's adult partner in
> Tiger Cubs last year ... that's the extent of my Scouting experience, so
> I have a LOT of learning to do to be a good Unit Commissioner.
Some of the best training you can get as a Commissioner (besides
Commissioner Basics) is Commissioner College. I have earned my Bachelor's
and Master's Degree in one Council, and will be attending my first College
in my new Council. Also, it may be beneficial for you to attend the Cub
Scout/Boy Scout Roundtables, which are usually held monthly. If they meet
at the same time, you could alternate months. Also, I attend any other type
of training that I can attend, and/or afford. I have yet to be able to get
the funds/time to get to Wood Badge, or Philmont, but they are in my future
plans!
As a former Unit Commissioner, former ADC, and current Cub Scout Roundtable
Commissioner, I welcome you to the service!
YIS,
polarbear
Nancy Wright
LTCROGER
commisioner. Only the women have a chose of cub vs scout uniform. Men wear the
tan shirt with olive pants. The oliver tie or neckerchief is worn with the long
sleeve shirt and the short sleeve shirt can be worn with neckerchief or nothing
(open collar). Cub leaders don't usually wear a neckerchief. If you were in
Venturing you would wear the dark green uniform, the same as the ones used for
years by Explorers. As a commissioner you don't represent your self as a cub
leader or scout leader, you are a district representative and that is why you
wear the gray tabs instead of red or blue which is the only way to tell a cub
from scout leader.