Boy Scout Epaulet Colors
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> Dear All,
>
> I was wondering if being on the Lodge Executive Board for an Order of the
> Arrow Lodge allows you to wear any other color besides traditional red on
> the Uniform.
The color loops that you wear really depends on your registered position.
If you are registered at the council or district level then you would wear
silver loops. But that also means that your uniform insignia reflects that
position. In other words, no troop/pack numbers and the proper badge of
office (Unit Commissioner, District Committee, Council Executive Board,
etc.).
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Leslie
Council Training Chairman
Blue Water Council - Port Huron, Michigan
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>
> Dear All,
>
> I was wondering if being on the Lodge Executive Board for an Order of the
> Arrow Lodge allows you to wear any other color besides traditional red on
> is it ok or appropriate to wear the Grey epaulet's at that time?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Geoffrey Okamoto
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Hello:
I have always been told you wear the color tabs
associated with the office patch on your sleave. So, if
your shirt says Assitant Scoutmaster, then you have red
tabs...
So, if there is a "Lodge Executive Board" patch
then you can wear silver if your shirt has the LEB patch
on it.
Jim
Advisor Venturing Crew 369
http://369.columbus.oh.us
Bill Nelson
You have been told correctly.
bill
J. Hugh Sullivan
So, how does one choose?
I am a member of the Council Advisory Board, Chair of the District
Eagle Board and a member of the Troop Committee of my grandson's troop
- I have been, and may be, registered in all three. The only
registration I sign is the Advisory Board. Do I have a choice between
silver and red loops?
At one time I had 4 shirts (still have them stowed away), each with a
different office patch on the sleeve and a different Eagle patch on
the pocket. One shirt even had the community strip (which I prefer)
and troop numerals. The shirt I wore depended on the type event -
would I have worn different colors based on the event and my position?
At one point I was both OA Lodge Advisor and on the Council Board.
Should I have worn two silver loops? The question is academic since we
didn't have loops then.
Hugh
Bill Nelson
It depends on which office patch you are wearing on your sleeve. If you
are wearing a council or district office patch wear silver loops. If
you
are wearing a troop patch, wear red loops.
bill
Paul S. Wolf
You wear the patch and lops for the position where you PAID your
registration fee. If you paid as a District Committee Member or Council
Board member, and were listed as a "multiple position" on the other
charters, you wear that patch and Silver loops.
If you paid the troop, you wear a troop Committee patch and red loops.
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Hello:
You wear velcrow:-)
I to have many positions: Assitant Scoutmaster, Advisor,...
Use to have tons more: District Member, District Committe, Exploring
Committee, Area, Regional, National...
So, I put velcrow on my uniform and patches. I swaped
depending on what meeting I was attending and in what capacity...
Same with the epaulets:-)
Jim
Advisor,
Venturing Crew 369
settummanque or blackeagle
You wrote and asked:
>I was wondering if being on the Lodge >Executive Board for an Order of the
>Arrow Lodge allows you to wear any other >color besides traditional red on the
>Uniform.
Nope.
>Being that you are working at a council >level at that point, is it ok or
appropriate >to wear the Grey epaulet's at that time?
Nope.
The ONLY youth members allowed to wear grey (silver) shoulder loops are:
*camp staff members (because they are employees of the local Council)
*employees of the local Council's Trading Post (again, they are employees of
the local Council)
*and IF THE COUNCIL'S EXECUTIVE BOARD APPROVES THIS....
- the elected or appointed Order of the Arrow Lodge Chief
- the elected or appointed Venturing Officers Association President or Chair
- a Cub Scout or WEBELOS Cub Scout selected by the Council to represent the
local Council to the community
The ONLY youth allowed to wear the yellow (gold) shoulder loops are:
*National or World Jamboree youth staff members (because they are considered
employees)
*National outdoor adventure ("High Adventure") youth staff members and youth
staff working at the BSA's National Meeting, the Order of the Arrow National
Conference, or the Philmont Volunteer Training Center (because either they are
employees or are serving as representatives of the region or the national
organization)
*Employees of Scout Shops(tm) and other BSA Supply Division outlets (again,
because they are national employees)
*and IF THE BSA'S NATIONAL EXECUTIVE BOARD APPROVES THIS....
- the elected or appointed Order of the Arrow National Chief and Vice Chief
- the elected or appointed National Venturer President and the four Regional
Vice-Presidents
- a Cub Scout or WEBELOS Cub Scout selected by the BSA to represent the Cub
Scout Division during national events.
ALL other youth members wear the appropriate shoulder loops for their current
status in the movement as youth members.
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J. Hugh Sullivan
<paul....@alum.wpi.edu> wrote:
>You wear the patch and lops for the position where you PAID your
>registration fee. If you paid as a District Committee Member or Council
>Board member, and were listed as a "multiple position" on the other
>charters, you wear that patch and Silver loops.
I register and pay as a member of the Council Advisory Committee. My
grandson's troop pays, or used to, my registration as a Committee
Member. I don't think there is a position "Chair, District Eagle
Board" which is about all I do now unless all 3 generations of our
family Eagles can appear at some event.
As I said it is academic because I have never worn the new uniform
with shoulder straps. But I always wore the shirt with the patch of
the office I held for a particular meeting. If various levels were
attending I wore the Council shirt. That doesn't seem to fit with what
you are saying. Nevertheless I regard you as the authority where the
regulation is not ambiguous.
Hugh
Paul S. Wolf
Thanks. If you pay the national $7.00 fee as a member of the Council
Advisory Committee, then your grandson's troop should NOT pay an added
$7.00 for you (and you'd wear the silver loops). They should just
circle your position code, and include you as a "multiple registered
adult." The "Chair, District Eagle Board" position is probably listed
on the District's Charter as "Member at Large, District Committee".
J. Hugh Sullivan
<paul....@alum.wpi.edu> wrote:
>"J. Hugh Sullivan" wrote:
>> Nevertheless I regard you as the authority where the
>> regulation is not ambiguous.
>Thanks. If you pay the national $7.00 fee as a member of the Council
>Advisory Committee, then your grandson's troop should NOT pay an added
>$7.00 for you (and you'd wear the silver loops). They should just
>circle your position code, and include you as a "multiple registered
>adult." The "Chair, District Eagle Board" position is probably listed
>on the District's Charter as "Member at Large, District Committee".
When the troop mentioned registering me some years ago I pointed out
that I was already registered - they wanted to do it anyhow. I would
help them if I could - and do. It wouldn't change things if I were not
registered with them. It's in a different district which doesn't make
a difference in what you said.
BTW your post on r.s.i. about the intended purpose of the news groups
was apropos. I hope you don't get any flak.
Hugh
Paul S. Wolf
>
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:54:44 GMT, "Paul S. Wolf"
> <paul....@alum.wpi.edu> wrote:
>
> >"J. Hugh Sullivan" wrote:
>
> >> Nevertheless I regard you as the authority where the
> >> regulation is not ambiguous.
>
> >Thanks. If you pay the national $7.00 fee as a member of the Council
> >Advisory Committee, then your grandson's troop should NOT pay an added
> >$7.00 for you (and you'd wear the silver loops). They should just
> >circle your position code, and include you as a "multiple registered
> >adult." The "Chair, District Eagle Board" position is probably listed
> >on the District's Charter as "Member at Large, District Committee".
>
> When the troop mentioned registering me some years ago I pointed out
> that I was already registered - they wanted to do it anyhow. I would
> help them if I could - and do. It wouldn't change things if I were not
> registered with them. It's in a different district which doesn't make
> a difference in what you said.
The point I was trying to make is that it's fine, and appropriate to
REGISTER more than once. It just serves no purpose to PAY more than
once. The $7.00 fee gives you NATIONAL MEMBERSHIP in BSA. There's no
need to pay the membership fee more than once, even in different units
or districts.
> BTW your post on r.s.i. about the intended purpose of the news groups
> was apropos. I hope you don't get any flak.
Thanks. So far so good.
xyz
"settummanque or blackeagle" <kyblk...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> The ONLY youth allowed to wear the yellow (gold) shoulder loops are:
>
> *National or World Jamboree youth staff members (because they are
considered
> employees)
National and World Jamboree staff youth or adult are all volunteers. Unless
of course they are already on the payroll of National or a local Council.
According to the Staff Guide Book for the 2001 National Scout Jamboree,
staff members are to wear the uniform appropriate to their registered
position. So if a youth staff member is registered in a Scout Troop he
would wear red loops. If he or she is registered in a Venture unit the
loops would be green.
settummanque or blackeagle
>National and World Jamboree staff youth >or adult are all volunteers.
They are serving at the pleasure of the Chief Scout Executive and/or Jamboree
Director, which makes them "employees" even if the only compensation they
receive are a set of shoulder loops and a patch or two.
>According to the Staff Guide Book for the >2001 National Scout Jamboree,
>staff members are to wear the uniform >appropriate to their registered
position.
Correct. And all staff members at the Subcamp, Region and National staff area
are to wear GOLD (yellow) shoulder loops during the duration of the Jamboree.
Hey...I was in the room when the question came up and the Jamboree Director
answered it the same way! This was why all youth staff members during the
Jamboree correctly wore GOLD shoulder loops.
E. Geer
> "XYZ" wrote:
>
> >National and World Jamboree staff youth >or adult are all volunteers.
>
> They are serving at the pleasure of the Chief Scout Executive and/or
Jamboree
> Director, which makes them "employees" even if the only compensation they
> receive are a set of shoulder loops and a patch or two.
>
> >According to the Staff Guide Book for the >2001 National Scout Jamboree,
> >staff members are to wear the uniform >appropriate to their registered
> position.
>
> Correct. And all staff members at the Subcamp, Region and National staff
area
> are to wear GOLD (yellow) shoulder loops during the duration of the
Jamboree.
I guess that must have been a on a case by case basis. I know that the
Center Region's Action Center, Sub camps 10, 11,12 Staff members were
required to wear the shoulder loops based on their Registered position(s)
back at their council.
Edward Geer
Woodbadge C25L-99, I use to be a Beaver...
National Jamboree 2001, Action Center B, Rappelling/Climbing Staff
Camp Arrowhead Project COPE Director, (97-02)
Brotherhood, Wah Sha She Lodge #42
Stephen M. Henning
> I guess that must have been a on a case by case basis. I know that the
> Center Region's Action Center, Sub camps 10, 11,12 Staff members were
> required to wear the shoulder loops based on their Registered position(s)
> back at their council.
That is one of the perks of being on headquarters staff, they not only
can make the rules, they can break the rules. Probably for insurance
purposes, some of the youth staff were registered in a "national" unit,
hence their appropriate shoulder loop was gold. We always register our
youth camp staff in a unit for insurance purposes. Even if we get
non-Scouts they are made Scouts by joining a camp troop or crew. This
is especially true of young ladies that are hired that are not already
in a crew.
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settummanque or blackeagle
>I guess that must have been a on a case >by case basis. I know that the
>Center Region's Action Center, Sub >camps 10, 11,12 Staff members were
>required to wear the shoulder loops based >on their Registered position(s)
>back at their council.
Someone goofed...
When you serve on staff at a National or World Jamboree, the BSA places you
(registers you!) as a member of a provisional Troop or Crew. This is why we go
through the nutroll of having Jamboree Troop numbers for staff members...it's
not for "show"...it's to manage the provisional groups for registration and
accountability purposes.
The appropriate shoulder loop for such registrants *during the time of the
event* and six months on either side (says the Jamboree service) is the
"national/regional" shoulder loop (the yellow/gold loop color).
This is because you are "registered" as part of a Regional, Subcamp (Area) or
national "unit" before, during and for a short period after the Jamboree.
Why did your subcamp director have you wearing something different?? I don't
have an answer...All I know that is during the third "IPR" (In-Progress
Review), the question was posed to the Jamboree Director, who stated that ALL
staff members at the Subcamp, Regional Camp, national staff and events staff
would wear gold shoulder loops...a further way in addition to the special
Jamboree staff insignia, to distinguish the Jamboree staff from those visiting
or those participating in the Jamboree.
Hey...it made a LOT of sense to *me*!