Question
Jim McQuaid
over to pull all your tent pegs next time you are camping !!! :)
I'm a Cub leader ( Akela) up here in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. Part of
Scouts Canada.
Can someone please explain to be what a WEBELOS is ??
Thanks in advance. YIS,
Jim
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designed to be a 18 month program that moves the Scout from Cubs to Boy Scouts.
WeBeLoS means "We'll Be Loyal Scouts".
Old Timers will spell it WeBeLoS instead of Webelos because WeBeLoS "used to
mean" Wolf, Bear, Lion, Scout. The Lion rank was used between Bear & WeBeLoS in
the old days (Before the late 60's)
BTW - the is no singular for WeBeLoS. One WeBeLoS or 2 WeBeLoS - doesn't
matter. There is no word Webelo.
Tom Bosworth
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Stephen M. Henning
>Old Timers will spell it WeBeLoS instead of Webelos because WeBeLoS "used to
>mean" Wolf, Bear, Lion, Scout. The Lion rank was used between Bear & WeBeLoS in
>the old days (Before the late 60's)
The Webelos rank was introduced in 1941 as a rank earned in the Lion Den
after the Lion rank. It indicated a boy was ready to become a Boy Scout.
In 1949 the age level was dropped one year; 8 year-olds in the Wolf Den, 9
year-olds in the Bear Den, and 10 year-olds in the Lion Den. 11 year-olds
joined Boy Scouts. Then in 1954 the Webelos rank was expanded in scope and
the Lion badge was renamed the Lion-Webelos badge.
The Lion program was dropped in 1967 when the Webelos program became the
program for 10 year-olds. The Webelos rank replaced the Lion rank, and the
Arrow of Light replaced the Webelos rank. Cub Scouting was still a 3 year
program until 1982.
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Steve Spicer
Karl Pollak wrote:
> >Can someone please explain to be what a WEBELOS is ??
>
> American version of DYB, DYB, DYB
Interesting.
I though that DYB,DYB,DYB was a solely British thing. Has it been around in
Canada, too?
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Ian N Ford
Cub Scouts into Boy Scouts. It is an acronym for " We'll be loyal Scouts "
.
Ian
Steve Spicer
Ian N Ford wrote:
Ah, that wasn't my question.
Steve Spicer
Samuel Jahaza Howard
> Old Timers will spell it WeBeLoS instead of Webelos because WeBeLoS "used to
> mean" Wolf, Bear, Lion, Scout. The Lion rank was used between Bear & WeBeLoS in
> the old days (Before the late 60's)
I'm pretty sure that Webelos always stood for We'll be loyal scouts though
it might have had additional meanings. I have a circa 1940's cub scout
book and I'll look it up and post more info.
YIS,
Sam Howard
Eagle '99
ASM T302 Daniel Webster Council
Ordeal Member, Passaconaway Lodge 220
Bugler Jambo Troop 525 1997 National Jamboree
1995 Section NE-1A OA Conclave
Stephen M. Henning
>> Old Timers will spell it WeBeLoS instead of Webelos because WeBeLoS "used to
>> mean" Wolf, Bear, Lion, Scout. The Lion rank was used between Bear &
WeBeLoS in
>> the old days (Before the late 60's)
>
>I'm pretty sure that Webelos always stood for We'll be loyal scouts though
>it might have had additional meanings. I have a circa 1940's cub scout
>book and I'll look it up and post more info.
The Webelos rank was introduced in 1941 as a rank earned in the Lion Den
after the Lion rank. It indicated a boy was ready to become a Boy Scout.
My 1930 "The Boy's Cubbook, Part III - Lion Rank" states the tribal name
"We-be-los" signifies "We'll Be Loyal," indicating that a Cub is loyal to
his country, his home and his God, W-B-L being the first letters of the
three ranks.
My 1941 "The Lion Cubbook" with Webelos Rank says the same thing about Webelos.
So it looks like everyone is partially correct. It is We'll Be Loyal not
We'll Be Loyal Scouts. Also, it represents Wolf-Bear-Lion.
Brian Hampson
: > >Can someone please explain to be what a WEBELOS is ??
: >
: > American version of DYB, DYB, DYB
:
: Interesting.
:
: I though that DYB,DYB,DYB was a solely British thing. Has it been around in
: Canada, too?
Ouch..... at least since I was a Cub back in the '70s
B.
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first CUBBING ( it was not officially called Cub Scouting until 1945 ) handbook
for leaders, "Akela" became an American Indian boy, son of the chief of the
WeBeLoS Tribe. "WeBeLoS" was explained as "a word with an inner meaning,
signifying progress from Wolf through Bear and Lion ranks to Scout: Wolf, Bear,
Lion, Scout...We'll Be Loyal Scouts."
Ian Shedden
>
> Steve Spicer (sjsp...@email.msn.com) wrote:
>
> : > >Can someone please explain to be what a WEBELOS is ??
> : >
> : > American version of DYB, DYB, DYB
> :
> : Interesting.
> :
> : I though that DYB,DYB,DYB was a solely British thing. Has it been around in
> : Canada, too?
>
> Ouch..... at least since I was a Cub back in the '70s
>
> B.
I remember DYB, DYB, DYB and DOB, DOB, DOB from the Grand Howl in the
late 50's
Ian Shedden
29th Nepean Group
Falco
something that sounds like Wobblies to the casual listener may not be
providing the desired effect).
:o)
Falco
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Unlikde the levels before where the youth worked with the parents on
mulitple activities to earn the vrious ranks, the Webelos earns avtivity
pins like scouting merit badges (easier ahnd less involved). The program is
best suited for easing the transition from cubs to boy scouts. It is a
little bit of both programs.
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Jim McQuaid <jim_m...@ottawa.com> wrote in message
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> First off, one person tell me I'm in the wrong group and I'm coming
> over to pull all your tent pegs next time you are camping !!! :)
>
> I'm a Cub leader ( Akela) up here in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. Part of
> Scouts Canada.
>
> Can someone please explain to be what a WEBELOS is ??
>
TILAD-X
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> In that case, shouldn't they be called WoBeLis?? (Although, calling them
> something that sounds like Wobblies to the casual listener may not be
> providing the desired effect).
>
> :o)
>
> Falco
<sarcasm>
What, just because it gives the impression that they're drunkards at the
ripe old age of 11, you don't think it'd be a good idea?
</sarcasm>
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TILAD-X
> late 50's
For those of us who are ignorant Americans born in the late 1970's (I
figured I'd get that out of the way before someone else did), what do
DYB,DYB,DYB and DOB,DOB,DOB mean? I kinda have an idea for DYB, and
possibly DOB, but I just want to be sure.
Si Jerram
> > I remember DYB, DYB, DYB and DOB, DOB, DOB from the Grand Howl in the
> > late 50's
> For those of us who are ignorant Americans born in the late 1970's (I
> figured I'd get that out of the way before someone else did), what do
> DYB,DYB,DYB and DOB,DOB,DOB mean? I kinda have an idea for DYB, and
> possibly DOB, but I just want to be sure.
DYB = Do your best
DOB = Do our best
Thankfully replaced by (a new?) Grand howl by the early 80s when I was
a cub. But I notice the cubs at my current group even sending that
up.
Simon
ASL 7th/23rd Cambridge
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Steve Spicer
TILAD-X <jkud...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> > I remember DYB, DYB, DYB and DOB, DOB, DOB from the Grand Howl in the
> > late 50's
>
> For those of us who are ignorant Americans born in the late 1970's (I
> figured I'd get that out of the way before someone else did), what do
> DYB,DYB,DYB and DOB,DOB,DOB mean? I kinda have an idea for DYB, and
> possibly DOB, but I just want to be sure.
Ignorant. Surely not. Ignorant people never ask questions about what they
don't know. :-)
Ok, heres a more detailed response than Si's. As an ex-cub from Texas (don't
hold that against me), and an ex-cub leader from the UK, I am probably
fairly qualified to explain...
Cubs in the UK (and probably Canada, too, if I read Karl right), start there
meetings with something called the Grand Howl.
This, traditionally, consist of the cubs being called to a pack circle, and
then to alert by the leader and then squatting down on their haunches and an
older cub (called a sixer) shouting "Cubs, Do Your Best", and which point,
the cubs jump up, salute, and then say "We will do our best".
Before 1967, instead of shouting Do your best and Do our Best, the calls
were "Cubs, DYB DYB DYB" and the reply was "we'll DOB DOB DOB".
Sound strange. It is.
The flag is then broken (as opposed to being raised in the USA, I believe).
Breaking the flag means, having it rolled at the top of the pole and then it
is released by pulling one of the ropes and it "pops" out.
There. All done.
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Dr John Stockton
1999 23:41:56 in news:rec.scouting.misc, Falco <junk.free.Falco@btintern
et.com> wrote:
>In that case, shouldn't they be called WoBeLis?? (Although, calling them
>something that sounds like Wobblies to the casual listener may not be
>providing the desired effect).
>
>:o)
>
>Falco
>
>Stra
Still upside-down!
ISTR that the Wobblies, in US Labour history, have a meaning which you
may not have intended to allude to; or that you may have struck deeply
with a rapier-like remark!
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Dave Mayall
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>Cubs in the UK (and probably Canada, too, if I read Karl right), start there
>meetings with something called the Grand Howl.
>
>This, traditionally, consist of the cubs being called to a pack circle, and
>then to alert by the leader and then squatting down on their haunches and an
>older cub (called a sixer) shouting "Cubs, Do Your Best", and which point,
>the cubs jump up, salute, and then say "We will do our best".
Not unless you use a different version of the GH to that used in
Manchester!
You missed out that whilst crouching, the whole pack shouts "A-ke-la,
we'll do our best"
>Before 1967, instead of shouting Do your best and Do our Best, the calls
>were "Cubs, DYB DYB DYB" and the reply was "we'll DOB DOB DOB".
I thought that it was 4 of each (meaning that all the idiots who try
to be so clever shouting DYB DYB DYB at the Scouts were getting it
wrong)
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Steve Spicer
Dave Mayall wrote:
> >This, traditionally, consist of the cubs being called to a pack circle,
and
> >then to alert by the leader and then squatting down on their haunches and
an
> >older cub (called a sixer) shouting "Cubs, Do Your Best", and which
point,
> >the cubs jump up, salute, and then say "We will do our best".
>
> Not unless you use a different version of the GH to that used in
> Manchester!
>
> You missed out that whilst crouching, the whole pack shouts "A-ke-la,
> we'll do our best"
Yes, of course.
There was I last night, thinking back to the good old days, trying to
remember exactly how it went. I guessed I'd probably get something wrong...
:-)
I have been told that there were only three "DYBs" or "DOBS" but being much
younger than you, Dave, never saw one of these. :-) so you are probably
right.
Steve Spicer
Samuel Jahaza Howard
States. It is included in the BSA literature, not being currently
involved in cubbing I don't have that info handy, maybe someone can post
the current US version.
YIS,
Sam Howard
Eagle '99
Asst. SM, Troop 302, Daniel Webster Council, NH, USA
Ordeal Member, Passaconaway Lodge #220
Bugler, Jambo Troop 525, 1997 National Boy Scout Jamboree
Dave Mayall
> I have been told that there were only three "DYBs" or "DOBS" but being much
> younger than you, Dave, never saw one of these. :-) so you are probably
> right.
Ouch, vicious :-)
I am very definitely NOT old enough to remember DYBs.
I wasn't even born at the time of the APR.
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anti-anything way.
Steve Spicer wrote:
> TILAD-X <jkud...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> news:7tuiis$2pvs$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com...
> > > I remember DYB, DYB, DYB and DOB, DOB, DOB from the Grand Howl in the
> > > late 50's
> >
> > For those of us who are ignorant Americans born in the late 1970's (I
> > figured I'd get that out of the way before someone else did), what do
> > DYB,DYB,DYB and DOB,DOB,DOB mean? I kinda have an idea for DYB, and
> > possibly DOB, but I just want to be sure.
>
> Ignorant. Surely not. Ignorant people never ask questions about what they
> don't know. :-)
>
> Ok, heres a more detailed response than Si's. As an ex-cub from Texas (don't
> hold that against me), and an ex-cub leader from the UK, I am probably
> fairly qualified to explain...
>
> Cubs in the UK (and probably Canada, too, if I read Karl right), start there
> meetings with something called the Grand Howl.
>
> This, traditionally, consist of the cubs being called to a pack circle, and
> then to alert by the leader and then squatting down on their haunches and an
> older cub (called a sixer) shouting "Cubs, Do Your Best", and which point,
> the cubs jump up, salute, and then say "We will do our best".
>
> Before 1967, instead of shouting Do your best and Do our Best, the calls
> were "Cubs, DYB DYB DYB" and the reply was "we'll DOB DOB DOB".
>
> Sound strange. It is.
>
> The flag is then broken (as opposed to being raised in the USA, I believe).
> Breaking the flag means, having it rolled at the top of the pole and then it
> is released by pulling one of the ropes and it "pops" out.
>
> There. All done.
>
> --
> Steve Spicer
> Aspley Guise Scouts SL (UK)
> http://www.aspleyguisescouts.org.uk/
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Steve Spicer
> Ouch, vicious :-)
>
> I am very definitely NOT old enough to remember DYBs.
>
> I wasn't even born at the time of the APR.
Oops, I may have really put my foot in my mouth! :-)
I was -3 at the time of APR.
Steve Spicer
Keith Meredith
created:
> Sea Scouts hoist their colours unfurled.
Interesting thought. In UK, Sea Scouts pipe up the Union Flag using a
bosun's call. My Cub Scouts break the flag because I find that Cubs don't
have the attention span (excuse the pun) to stand at the alert during a
slow hoist of the flag. Since we're a Sea Scout Group, am I wrong?
YiS
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does that. I my naval days breaking flags was very common but Never ever
with a National Flag. That would have been regarded as discourteous to the
flag at the very least, and regarded by most nationalities as a provocative
insult. All national flags were raised flying free. Signal flags, house
flags etc only were broken.
Why is this done I've often wondered?
YIS
John.
Dave Mayall wrote in message <3805c054...@news.ukonline.co.uk>...
there
>>meetings with something called the Grand Howl.
>>
>>This, traditionally, consist of the cubs being called to a pack circle,
and
>>then to alert by the leader and then squatting down on their haunches and
an
>>older cub (called a sixer) shouting "Cubs, Do Your Best", and which point,
>>the cubs jump up, salute, and then say "We will do our best".
>
>Manchester!
>
>You missed out that whilst crouching, the whole pack shouts "A-ke-la,
>we'll do our best"
>
>>were "Cubs, DYB DYB DYB" and the reply was "we'll DOB DOB DOB".
>
stephen rainsbury
Dave Mayall <may...@postoffice.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Steve Spicer wrote:
>
> > I have been told that there were only three "DYBs" or "DOBS" but being
much
> > younger than you, Dave, never saw one of these. :-) so you are probably
> > right.
>
>
> I am very definitely NOT old enough to remember DYBs.
>
> I wasn't even born at the time of the APR.
Ahh... to think you missed all those hats!
I remember pre APR, I even got my Leaping Wolf, which was the ultimate cab
badge, in fact I remember watching it get ticked off the chart on the wall
and pestering Akela to include my bits in the programme!
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Dave Mayall
<sjsp...@email.msn.com> wrote:
>Dave Mayall wrote:
>
>> Ouch, vicious :-)
>>
>> I am very definitely NOT old enough to remember DYBs.
>>
>> I wasn't even born at the time of the APR.
>
>Oops, I may have really put my foot in my mouth! :-)
>
>I was -3 at the time of APR.
Me too!
Wolf Cubs handbook has 4 DYBs and 4 DOBs
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> Thank you for answering the question.
> Especially in a non-judgemental or anti-anything way.
it's that 'safe haven' concept again... :-)
(sorry so late into the thread, been doing that 'scouting
outing' thing...)
yis, sleeper
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TILAD-X
> I find this sort of info about Scouting in other countries of great
interest
> and it adds to my knowledge base when talking to scouts in the UK about
> International issues.
>
> Can someone run through the Stages and ages for the country they
represent?
Cub Scouts -
Tigers - 2nd grade (6-7 years of age)
Bobcat is necessary before earning any of the following 3 ranks in Cub
Scouting:
Wolf - 3rd grade (7-8 years of age)
Bear - 4th grade (8-9 years of age)
Webelos - 5th and 6th grades (9-11.5 years of age). This is a 2-year
program which slowly removes the boys from the adult-led environment which
is Cub Scouts to the Scout-led, adult supervised environment which is the
Boy Scouts.
Boy Scouts - You must be at least 11.5 years of age to join, or have
completed 6th grade (IIRC). There are several ranks in Boy Scouts:
Scout - automatic if a Scout has crossed over from Webelos and earned the
Arrow of Light, as the requirements for Scout are covered in Webelos and
Arrow of Light.
Tenderfoot
Second Class
First Class (this rank allows various priviledges in the BSA, such as
induction into the Order of the Arrow, and various leadership positions)
Star
Life
Eagle (equivalent to Queen Scout in Britain [until King Charles III(?) takes
the throne, then they become King Scouts])
A Scout may continue earning merit badges beyond Eagle, and for those badges
he earns palms, one palm for every 5 merit badges. The palms go in the
order of bronze, gold, silver, then the proper combination thereof to show
how many have been earned.
For a Scout to earn Eagle, all appropriate requirements, save the Board of
Review, must be met before the Scout turns 18. The Board of Review can
occur up to 6 months (IIRC) after the Scout's 18th birthday. Fewer than 4%
(and I believe that number is high) of all Scouts ever reach the rank of
Eagle.
Order of the Arrow is the honor camping organization within the BSA. There
are three different levels (not ranks) of membership, each conferring it's
own priviledges and responsibilities.
Ordeal - the Scout must be at least 14 and at least a First Class Scout and
must have had X number of days and nights camping, at least Y of which must
be long-term (like summer camp). [I can't remember the exact numbers for X
and Y]. The Scout is then elected by members of his Troop (including all
members and non-members of the OA) if they deem him worthy. If at least one
Scout is elected to the OA, then the Troop Committee may select one adult to
be inducted. The Scouts is "tapped-out" at a ceremony, then led to a
pre-Ordeal ceremony. During the Ordeal, the Scout must display the three
ideals of the OA - Wimachtendienk, Wingolauksik, Witahemui (Brotherhood,
Cheerfulness, Service). Membership in the Order of the Arrow is signified
by a red arrow on a white sash (worn over the right shoulder, under the
epaulet, only with Class A [full-dress] uniform). Lodge flaps are worn on
the right breast pocket flap by members of the OA.
Brotherhood - After at least 10 months as an Ordeal Honor member, the
Scout/Scouter must show his/her willingness to continue in WWW (abbreviation
for the above), and after a test can be conferred the Brotherhood Honor,
signified by a red arrow contained by a red bar at either end on a white
sash. The bars signify that the membership has been "locked," although once
a member, always a member.
Vigil Honor - After at least 2 years as a Brotherhood Honor member, the
Scout/Scouter can be elected into the Vigil Honor membership by the other
members of his/her Lodge. The Scout/Scouter is nominated, and if elected,
is given a sponsor who prepares him/her for the trial to come. I cannot
explain beyond this point, as the OA is a society of secrets (NOT a secret
society), and the Vigil is a secret I have sworn to uphold (though I cannot
remember the Watchwords).
Please note that induction into OA is voted on by ALL members of a Scout's
Troop, and Scouters by the Troop's Committee. Then the Scout/Scouter
decides for himself/herself whether to continue to pursue the Brotherhood
Honor. To receive Vigil Honor (which, IIRC, less than 1% of all OA members
receive), a Scout/Scouter must display integrity, brotherhood, cheerfulness,
and service to not only the Lodge and the Council, but to the general public
as well.
I hope this helps.
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Paul S. Wolf
> Sorry - spotted 1 more correction.
> To enter Boy Scouts you must be 10.5 years old if you've completed
> 5th grade OR received Arrow of Light. Otherwise it's 11 years old.
You still have it wrong.
The BSA Boy Scout joining requirement is "Meet age requirements: Be a
boy who has completed the fifth grade, or is 11 years old, or has earned
the Arrow of Light Award, but is under 18 years old." Any one of these
is sufficient.
A boy with the Arrow of Light is TYPICALLY age 10 1/2 or older, since
the requirement for that badge is "Be active in your Webelos den for at
least six months since completing the fourth grade (or for at least six
months since becoming 10 years old), and earn the Webelos badge." and
most boys don't enter the fifth grade until after their 10th birthday.
For a boy who has advanced ahead of his peers (i.e. skipped a grade), 6
months after the end of 4th grade could be before he turns 10 1/2.
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> Boy Scouts - You must be at least 11.5 years of age to join, or have
i believe it's 10.5 or 5th grade...
>
> Order of the Arrow is the honor camping organization within the BSA. There
> are three different levels (not ranks) of membership, each conferring it's
> own priviledges and responsibilities.
> Ordeal - the Scout must be at least 14 and at least a First Class Scout and
> must have had X number of days and nights camping, at least Y of which must
> be long-term (like summer camp). [I can't remember the exact numbers for X
> and Y]. The Scout is then elected by members of his Troop (including all
15 days with only one long term (no more then 6 days) counting...
> Vigil Honor - After at least 2 years as a Brotherhood Honor member, the
> Scout/Scouter can be elected into the Vigil Honor membership by the other
> members of his/her Lodge. The Scout/Scouter is nominated, and if elected,
> is given a sponsor who prepares him/her for the trial to come. I cannot
> explain beyond this point, as the OA is a society of secrets (NOT a secret
> society), and the Vigil is a secret I have sworn to uphold (though I cannot
> remember the Watchwords).
vigils a little more complicated than that...it usualy requires
outstanding devotion to OA and scouting...I don't know how other
councils do it, but in my lodge all nominations must be approved by the
vigil committee (which is infact all vigil members who care to take
part). this mostly envolves discussing what the person has done for the
lodge. nominations can be sent to the committee by any member...
Stephen M. Henning
Unfortunately Jeremy's otherwise good post had ages and grades that are
about 13 years out of date:
In 1986 the Tiger Cub program started for first-grade boys. That same year
Wolf was a second-grade and third-grade program.
In 1987 Bear was a third grade and fourth grade program. Wolf became a
second grade only program.
In 1988 the new fourth grade Webelos program started and the old Webelos
program was used for fifth graders.
In 1989 the first second-year Webelos dens were formed and were for fifth
graders.
Hence:
>Cub Scouts -
>Tigers - 2nd grade (6-7 years of age)
1st grade or 6
>Bobcat is necessary before earning any of the following 3 ranks in Cub
>Scouting:
>Wolf - 3rd grade (7-8 years of age)
2nd grade or 7
>Bear - 4th grade (8-9 years of age)
3rd grade or 8
>Webelos - 5th and 6th grades (9-11.5 years of age).
4th and 5th grade or 9
>Boy Scouts - You must be at least 11.5 years of age to join, or have
>completed 6th grade (IIRC).
6th grade or 11 or Arrow of light but not yet 18
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Falco
and it adds to my knowledge base when talking to scouts in the UK about
International issues.
Can someone run through the Stages and ages for the country they represent?
YiS
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TILAD-X <jkud...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> > I believe what he meant is that the den is supposed to cross over to the
> > troop as a group, not that they were a den once they reached it. That
> > said however, there is nothing that compells them to all cross over at
> > once or to all join the same Troop. In fact, it might be the case that
> > some of the den members were eligible to join the troop and others
werenot
> > if not everyone had reached the proper ages and/or earned their arrow of
> > light.
>
> True. My Webelos Den all joined the same Troop, except me. The Troop
which
> they joined did very little with the Council, and none of the Scouts in
that
> Troop had ever heard of the Order of the Arrow. When I saw/heard that, I
> immediately ruled out that Troop for one of two others. The other two
were
> equal in terms of quality, so I chose the one that was closer to where I
> lived.
> --
> YIS
> Jeremy Kudlick
> Eagle Class of '93
> Elangomat Elgigunkhaki, A Friend of All to the World (Vigil Honor, '94)
Bsa13
To enter Boy Scouts you must be 10.5 years old if you've completed 5th grade OR
received Arrow of Light. Otherwise it's 11 years old.
Bsa13
Just a few corrections about BSA Scouting:
Cub Scouts -
Tigers - 1st grade (6-7 years of age)
Bobcat is necessary before earning any of the following 3 ranks in Cub
Scouting:
Bear - 3rd grade (8-9 years of age)
Webelos - 4th and 5th grades (9-11 years of age).
Also, Order of the Arrow no longer has an age requirement. All the rest of your
info was about right.
Tom "PolarCub" Bosworth
http://www.polarcub.com/bsa13
you wrote:
>Cub Scouts -
>Tigers - 2nd grade (6-7 years of age)
>Bobcat is necessary before earning any of the following 3 ranks in Cub
>Scouting:
>Wolf - 3rd grade (7-8 years of age)
>Bear - 4th grade (8-9 years of age)
>Webelos - 5th and 6th grades (9-11.5 years of age). This is a 2-year
>program which slowly removes the boys from the adult-led environment which
>is Cub Scouts to the Scout-led, adult supervised environment which is the
>Boy Scouts.
>
>Boy Scouts - You must be at least 11.5 years of age to join, or have
>completed 6th grade (IIRC). There are several ranks in Boy Scouts:
>Scout - automatic if a Scout has crossed over from Webelos and earned the
>Arrow of Light, as the requirements for Scout are covered in Webelos and
>Arrow of Light.
>Tenderfoot
>Second Class
>First Class (this rank allows various priviledges in the BSA, such as
>induction into the Order of the Arrow, and various leadership positions)
>Star
>Life
>Eagle (equivalent to Queen Scout in Britain [until King Charles III(?) takes
>the throne, then they become King Scouts])
>A Scout may continue earning merit badges beyond Eagle, and for those badges
>he earns palms, one palm for every 5 merit badges. The palms go in the
>order of bronze, gold, silver, then the proper combination thereof to show
>how many have been earned.
>For a Scout to earn Eagle, all appropriate requirements, save the Board of
>Review, must be met before the Scout turns 18. The Board of Review can
>occur up to 6 months (IIRC) after the Scout's 18th birthday. Fewer than 4%
>(and I believe that number is high) of all Scouts ever reach the rank of
>Eagle.
>
>Order of the Arrow is the honor camping organization within the BSA. There
>are three different levels (not ranks) of membership, each conferring it's
>own priviledges and responsibilities.
>Ordeal - the Scout must be at least 14 and at least a First Class Scout and
>must have had X number of days and nights camping, at least Y of which must
>be long-term (like summer camp). [I can't remember the exact numbers for X
>and Y]. The Scout is then elected by members of his Troop (including all
>members and non-members of the OA) if they deem him worthy. If at least one
>Scout is elected to the OA, then the Troop Committee may select one adult to
>be inducted. The Scouts is "tapped-out" at a ceremony, then led to a
>pre-Ordeal ceremony. During the Ordeal, the Scout must display the three
>ideals of the OA - Wimachtendienk, Wingolauksik, Witahemui (Brotherhood,
>Cheerfulness, Service). Membership in the Order of the Arrow is signified
>by a red arrow on a white sash (worn over the right shoulder, under the
>epaulet, only with Class A [full-dress] uniform). Lodge flaps are worn on
>the right breast pocket flap by members of the OA.
>Brotherhood - After at least 10 months as an Ordeal Honor member, the
>Scout/Scouter must show his/her willingness to continue in WWW (abbreviation
>for the above), and after a test can be conferred the Brotherhood Honor,
>signified by a red arrow contained by a red bar at either end on a white
>sash. The bars signify that the membership has been "locked," although once
>a member, always a member.
>Vigil Honor - After at least 2 years as a Brotherhood Honor member, the
>Scout/Scouter can be elected into the Vigil Honor membership by the other
>members of his/her Lodge. The Scout/Scouter is nominated, and if elected,
>is given a sponsor who prepares him/her for the trial to come. I cannot
>explain beyond this point, as the OA is a society of secrets (NOT a secret
>society), and the Vigil is a secret I have sworn to uphold (though I cannot
>remember the Watchwords).
>
>Please note that induction into OA is voted on by ALL members of a Scout's
>Troop, and Scouters by the Troop's Committee. Then the Scout/Scouter
>decides for himself/herself whether to continue to pursue the Brotherhood
>Honor. To receive Vigil Honor (which, IIRC, less than 1% of all OA members
>receive), a Scout/Scouter must display integrity, brotherhood, cheerfulness,
>and service to not only the Lodge and the Council, but to the general public
>as well.
>
>I hope this helps.
>--
>YIS
>Jeremy Kudlick
>Eagle Class of '93
>Elangomat Elgigunkhaki, A Friend of All to the World (Vigil Honor '94)
Si Jerram
> > Boy Scouts - You must be at least 11.5 years of age to join, or have
> i believe it's 10.5 or 5th grade...
That's the same as the UK, but linking it to School Year.
In the UK Year 5 is the one where the pupil has their 10th
Birthday during the year.
Does this mean bright Scouts can move up to the BSA's Scout
section earlier than 10.5 or those that aren't so bright and
get held back at school can go up later? Or does "skipping
grades" and "getting held back" only happen after you reach
US High School?
Or have I misinterpreted what was meant above (always
a distinct possibility).
Appropriate follow-ups set.
YiSaG
Simon
ASL 7th&23rd Cambridge, England, UK
Member of the Scout and Guide Graduate Association (UK)
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>
> Falco <junk.fr...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:7ugd78$j92$1...@uranium.btinternet.com...
> interest
> > and it adds to my knowledge base when talking to scouts in the UK about
> > International issues.
> >
> > Can someone run through the Stages and ages for the country they
> represent?
>
>
> Cub Scouts -
> Tigers - 2nd grade (6-7 years of age)
> Bobcat is necessary before earning any of the following 3 ranks in Cub
> Scouting:
> Wolf - 3rd grade (7-8 years of age)
> Bear - 4th grade (8-9 years of age)
> Webelos - 5th and 6th grades (9-11.5 years of age). This is a 2-year
> program which slowly removes the boys from the adult-led environment which
> is Cub Scouts to the Scout-led, adult supervised environment which is the
> Boy Scouts.
>
> Scout - automatic if a Scout has crossed over from Webelos and earned the
> Arrow of Light, as the requirements for Scout are covered in Webelos and
> Arrow of Light.
> Tenderfoot
> Second Class
> First Class (this rank allows various priviledges in the BSA, such as
> induction into the Order of the Arrow, and various leadership positions)
> Star
> Life
> Eagle (equivalent to Queen Scout in Britain [until King Charles III(?) takes
> the throne, then they become King Scouts])
> A Scout may continue earning merit badges beyond Eagle, and for those badges
> he earns palms, one palm for every 5 merit badges. The palms go in the
> order of bronze, gold, silver, then the proper combination thereof to show
> how many have been earned.
> For a Scout to earn Eagle, all appropriate requirements, save the Board of
> Review, must be met before the Scout turns 18. The Board of Review can
> occur up to 6 months (IIRC) after the Scout's 18th birthday. Fewer than 4%
> (and I believe that number is high) of all Scouts ever reach the rank of
> Eagle.
Venturing 14 to 21 Coeducational
One can earn the Venturing Awards without earning their Eagle Scout.
Therefore, both males and females can earn all of the Venturing Awards.
The Ranger and Quartermaster are considered higher than Eagle Scout.
This is hard for me to admit since I am an Eagle Scout. But, so few
achive it that it is not heard of by most Scouts.
There 5 bronze Awards
Youth Ministries
Arts & Hobbies
Sports
Outdoors
Sea Scouts
The Outdoors is required for Ranger.
The Sea Scouts is required for the Quartermaster.
In 30 years of Scouting I have never met a BSA-Ranger award and
I have only met two Quartermaster recipents. We are fortunet to
have one on our Venturing Committe. He is both an Eagle Scout
and a Quartermaster.
Venturing Leadership
Venturing Silver
As of May 1999 only 7 people in the country have earned their Silver
Award.
BSA's Venturing is not exactly like the Comonwealth Venturing because it
is not the next logical step from Scouts. In fact, 90% of the Troops do
not have a Venturing Crew and therefore the young lad never hears about
it.
Some Troops do have Venture Patrols but that is nothing like Venturing
Crews.
BSA does not have a Ranger Unit. Hence, the Ranger Award has nothing to
do with the 21 to 26 year old Ranger Groups.
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TILAD-X
grades and ages I remembered. I stand corrected. But I WAS a Tiger back in
1983 - perhaps it was first/second grade back then. I remember being in one
of the last one-year Webelos programs.
Jeremy
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> Thanks for this set, how about any other countries?
>
I'm with the german saint Georg's scouts (DPSG) and our ranking
is mostly based on age.
We have 4 stages, called Woelflinge, Jungpfadfinder, Pfadfinder
and Rover (I think in english this would be "young wolves, young
scouts, scouts and rover).
The Woelfling stage beginns at the age of 8, and with 11 or 12
they get to become Jungpfadfinder. At the age of 14 or 15 they
change to Pfadfinder and at the age of 16 or 17 they become
Rover.
There are no badges to be earned, the troop is lead by a team and
the kids participate in what is going on in the troop sessions
and on hikes.
You can become a leader at the age of 18.
YIS
Michael