It looks like BSA is finally going to change

[Brian Salter-Duke]

News is flooding in across the world that the BSA will change its
attitude on homosexual memebers and leaders. The news seems to have been
broken by:-

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/28/16739587-boy-scouts-close-to-ending-ban-on-gay-members-leaders?lite

I am encouraged by the fact that the news item that says:-

"We're a grassroots organization. This is a response to what's
happening at the local level," the official said.

It seems that many local units are not bigoted. Well done, BSA.

Brian.

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[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 22:37:19 GMT, Brian Salter-Duke
<b_d...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:

>News is flooding in across the world that the BSA will change its
>attitude on homosexual memebers and leaders. The news seems to have been
>broken by:-
>
>http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/28/16739587-boy-scouts-close-to-ending-ban-on-gay-members-leaders?lite
>
>I am encouraged by the fact that the news item that says:-
>
>"We're a grassroots organization. This is a response to what's
>happening at the local level," the official said.
>
>It seems that many local units are not bigoted. Well done, BSA.
>
>Brian.

As of today I'll say Bravo Zulu BSA. The 2 queer CEOs got their butts
handed to them.

Hugh

[Brian Salter-Duke]

That is not how I read it. The description of them as "queer" is
bizarre, even crazy. They are CEOs of large organisations that have
learnt that opposing gays is not a good business plan to put it mildly.
They may even have principles that declare discrimination is morally
unacceptable and against Scouting principles.

I will make a prediction. The only way for the BSA to avoid a major
split is to adopt the plan that was suggested and leave it to the
chartering organisations. If they decide in May after all this fuss to
adopt a no change policy then a new organisation will break off.
Certainly in many areas, troops will announce no-discrimination policies
as some have already done. It then depends on what BSA National decides
to do. They may ignore it.

If they decide to make the change, that might be too much for the
Southern Baptists, the Mormons or the Methodists, and they might break
away, but they might just accept their right to continue to discriminate
against gays. I have been reading newspaper articles from all over the
USA. It is easy these days. Just search in Google News for "Gay Scouts".
The USA is deeply divided. In many places people support you, but in
many others there has been an outpouring of disgust about the boy who
was denied his Eagle, and the Lesbian Den Mother who was kicked out,
plus an outpouring of support for the BSA to make a change. If the BSA
wanted to make no change, it should never have let out that it was
discussing a change. The genie is out of the bottle now. It can not be
put back. Change of some sort is going to happen.

While all this is happening, BSA membership and income are both falling.
In Australia (at least in Victoria where I have seen figures) and the
UK, membership is increasing.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Wed, 06 Feb 2013 22:09:13 GMT, Brian Salter-Duke
<b_d...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:

>On Wed, 06 Feb 2013 20:44:12 GMT, J. Hugh Sullivan <Ea...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>> As of today I'll say Bravo Zulu BSA. The 2 queer CEOs got their butts
>> handed to them.
>>
>> Hugh

>That is not how I read it. The description of them as "queer" is
>bizarre, even crazy. They are CEOs of large organisations that have
>learnt that opposing gays is not a good business plan to put it mildly.
>They may even have principles that declare discrimination is morally
>unacceptable and against Scouting principles.

If they do they have no principles. Jews were the chosen race.
Discrimination has been around for awhile.

>I will make a prediction. The only way for the BSA to avoid a major
>split is to adopt the plan that was suggested and leave it to the
>chartering organisations. If they decide in May after all this fuss to
>adopt a no change policy then a new organisation will break off.

I hope BSA doesn't cut off their hands to get a handicap sticker.

>Certainly in many areas, troops will announce no-discrimination policies
>as some have already done. It then depends on what BSA National decides
>to do. They may ignore it.

The pedophiles are already lining up to join. What a captive audience
they will have tp practice their homosexuality.

>If they decide to make the change, that might be too much for the
>Southern Baptists, the Mormons or the Methodists, and they might break
>away, but they might just accept their right to continue to discriminate
>against gays. I have been reading newspaper articles from all over the
>USA. It is easy these days. Just search in Google News for "Gay Scouts".

The queers are using their mouths for something besides sex.

>While all this is happening, BSA membership and income are both falling.

It's the lesser of evils.

Hugh

[Brian Salter-Duke]

On Thu, 07 Feb 2013 03:15:17 GMT, J. Hugh Sullivan <Ea...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Feb 2013 22:09:13 GMT, Brian Salter-Duke
><b_d...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 06 Feb 2013 20:44:12 GMT, J. Hugh Sullivan <Ea...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>> As of today I'll say Bravo Zulu BSA. The 2 queer CEOs got their butts
>>> handed to them.
>>>
>>> Hugh
>
>>That is not how I read it. The description of them as "queer" is
>>bizarre, even crazy. They are CEOs of large organisations that have
>>learnt that opposing gays is not a good business plan to put it mildly.
>>They may even have principles that declare discrimination is morally
>>unacceptable and against Scouting principles.
>
> If they do they have no principles. Jews were the chosen race.
> Discrimination has been around for awhile.
>
>>I will make a prediction. The only way for the BSA to avoid a major
>>split is to adopt the plan that was suggested and leave it to the
>>chartering organisations. If they decide in May after all this fuss to
>>adopt a no change policy then a new organisation will break off.
>
> I hope BSA doesn't cut off their hands to get a handicap sticker.
>
>>Certainly in many areas, troops will announce no-discrimination policies
>>as some have already done. It then depends on what BSA National decides
>>to do. They may ignore it.
>
> The pedophiles are already lining up to join. What a captive audience
> they will have tp practice their homosexuality.

It staggers me that people like you continue to trot this bizarre
nonsense out at every opportunity. It is not supported by scientific
studies. Homosexual are no more likely to be pedophiles than
heterosexuals. Anyway, the BSA already has a two-depth leadership policy
to prevent pedophiles. I can respect your opinions, odd as many of them
are, but I can not respect your ignorance.

Brian.

>>If they decide to make the change, that might be too much for the
>>Southern Baptists, the Mormons or the Methodists, and they might break
>>away, but they might just accept their right to continue to discriminate
>>against gays. I have been reading newspaper articles from all over the
>>USA. It is easy these days. Just search in Google News for "Gay Scouts".
>
> The queers are using their mouths for something besides sex.
>
>>While all this is happening, BSA membership and income are both falling.
>
> It's the lesser of evils.
>
> Hugh
>
>
>
>
>

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Thu, 07 Feb 2013 06:39:11 GMT, Brian Salter-Duke
<b_d...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:

>It staggers me that people like you continue to trot this bizarre
>nonsense out at every opportunity. It is not supported by scientific
>studies. Homosexual are no more likely to be pedophiles than
>heterosexuals. Anyway, the BSA already has a two-depth leadership policy
>to prevent pedophiles. I can respect your opinions, odd as many of them
>are, but I can not respect your ignorance.
>
>Brian.

The only difference between a pedophile and a queer is the age of the
screwee.

And maybe you need to reduce your own ignorance by reading about the
problems in the Catholic Church for years.

The queer priests have a much smaller target size than a queer Scout
leader. Perhaps that's why you want to be in Scouts instead of
becoming a priest. You need a larger group of kids to choose from.

Hugh

[Brian Salter-Duke]

On Thu, 07 Feb 2013 13:36:11 GMT, J. Hugh Sullivan <Ea...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Feb 2013 06:39:11 GMT, Brian Salter-Duke
><b_d...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:
>
>>It staggers me that people like you continue to trot this bizarre
>>nonsense out at every opportunity. It is not supported by scientific
>>studies. Homosexual are no more likely to be pedophiles than
>>heterosexuals. Anyway, the BSA already has a two-depth leadership policy
>>to prevent pedophiles. I can respect your opinions, odd as many of them
>>are, but I can not respect your ignorance.
>>
>>Brian.
>
> The only difference between a pedophile and a queer is the age of the
> screwee.

No, you are ignorant.

> And maybe you need to reduce your own ignorance by reading about the
> problems in the Catholic Church for years.

I am well aware of the problems in the Catholic Church. They have had a
major problem with pedophiles, not homosexuals.

> The queer priests have a much smaller target size than a queer Scout
> leader. Perhaps that's why you want to be in Scouts instead of
> becoming a priest. You need a larger group of kids to choose from.

Take that offensive remark back.

Brian.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Thu, 07 Feb 2013 20:58:33 GMT, Brian Salter-Duke

<b_d...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:

>On Thu, 07 Feb 2013 13:36:11 GMT, J. Hugh Sullivan <Ea...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Feb 2013 06:39:11 GMT, Brian Salter-Duke
>><b_d...@bigpond.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>It staggers me that people like you continue to trot this bizarre
>>>nonsense out at every opportunity. It is not supported by scientific
>>>studies. Homosexual are no more likely to be pedophiles than
>>>heterosexuals. Anyway, the BSA already has a two-depth leadership policy
>>>to prevent pedophiles. I can respect your opinions, odd as many of them
>>>are, but I can not respect your ignorance.
>>>
>>>Brian.
>>
>> The only difference between a pedophile and a queer is the age of the
>> screwee.
>
>No, you are ignorant.

When a piece of trash like you says that it doesn't matter, boy.

>> And maybe you need to reduce your own ignorance by reading about the
>> problems in the Catholic Church for years.
>
>I am well aware of the problems in the Catholic Church. They have had a
>major problem with pedophiles, not homosexuals.

A pedophile who prefers males is a queer. An I'm beginning to thin k
you are.

>
>> The queer priests have a much smaller target size than a queer Scout
>> leader. Perhaps that's why you want to be in Scouts instead of
>> becoming a priest. You need a larger group of kids to choose from.
>
>Take that offensive remark back.

You started it piss ant. I'll follow your lead.

Hugh.

[sd...@#$.com]

Figures when the BSA is on the verge of bankruptcy, their morality is
for SALE.

Suddenly queers don't look so bad because their pals got MONEY, honey.

Funny how the Girl Scouts of America have managed to run Scouting
without being closeted, hysterical, witch hunting, hypocritical morons
acting like ASSHOLES about sexuality, religion, and gender.

The BSA talks morality SHIT, then turned a blind eye to their own
leaders buggering little boys, just like the Catholic Church.

FUCK the BSA. Prosecute them under RICO like those Catholic bastards.

Only a moron could support the BSA.

As further proof of the cowardice of the leadership of the BSA is
their tentative position to let the lower levels set their own policy
on gay issues.

What a pussy organization from the head down.

Either the BSA runs the BSA or they are dodging CUNTS.

Scouting is Scouting. Everywhere else in the entire world. Except
the eternally immature good old USA.

Church is Church. You are free to worship whatever God where ever you
please, just don't seize the reigns of government to endorse one:
namesly Christianity, the only religion where if everyone does NOT
believe like you, you claim with a straight face that you are
persecuted.

[J. Hugh Sullivan]

On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 19:24:27 -0600, sdfa@#$.com wrote:

>Figures when the BSA is on the verge of bankruptcy, their morality is
>for SALE.
>
>Suddenly queers don't look so bad because their pals got MONEY, honey.

It would appear that two CEOs morality is for sale.

>Funny how the Girl Scouts of America have managed to run Scouting
>without being closeted, hysterical, witch hunting, hypocritical morons
>acting like ASSHOLES about sexuality, religion, and gender.

Too bad they are known for selling cookies and not much else.

>The BSA talks morality SHIT, then turned a blind eye to their own
>leaders buggering little boys, just like the Catholic Church.

That's what a lot of current society does. Theyt didn't fare very well
in my day.

>
>FUCK the BSA. Prosecute them under RICO like those Catholic bastards.
>
>Only a moron could support the BSA.

Only a jealous two-bit shoe clerk could make a statementy like that.
If I was to move in your house it would double the average IQ there.

>
>As further proof of the cowardice of the leadership of the BSA is
>their tentative position to let the lower levels set their own policy
>on gay issues.

I agree with that.

>Scouting is Scouting. Everywhere else in the entire world. Except
>the eternally immature good old USA.

You sound more manure than mature yourself.

>Church is Church. You are free to worship whatever God where ever you
>please, just don't seize the reigns of government to endorse one:
>namesly Christianity, the only religion where if everyone does NOT
>believe like you, you claim with a straight face that you are
>persecuted.

I don't claim to be persecuted and I am a Christian.

You sound exactly like the kind of trash BSA established rules to
prevent from joining.

I'm ready for your next whine. Be sure to lace it with filthy talk to
impress your cellmates.

Hugh