Winter Clothing Gear
dood
this to be my first winter that I keep running throughout. In the
past I have just stopped when it gets cold. All I have for running
gear is sweats. They get way too heavy for long distances. Can you
help me by recommending good winter weather running apparel?
Thank you,
Dave in DSM
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Edward Edmonds
There's a lot of stuff out there to choose from, and a lot of it depends
on how much $$-$$$ you want to spend. A lot depends on how cold you get
during running also. Personally I find that if my hands, feet, and head
are warm I can get away with wearing heavy running tights, a synthetic
fiber turtle neck, and a "wind proof" shell and beanie or ear warmers.
I find that if you can find a lightweight jacket that blocks the wind
out, you can get away with running in sub zero degree weather with
minimal bulk.
I live in Germany right now so it get's pretty cold and it's usually wet
out but I get away with:
http://www.sugoi.com/usa/eng/Products/Run/Men/Tights/Details/2212-40401U-SubZero-Tight
I had a Cannondale weather proof jacket, I couldn't find it online but
when looking at jackets I usually look at cycling jackets for running I
find they tend to work better:
http://www.realcyclist.com/roadbike/Mens-Jackets/20/subcat.html
There are huge price ranges, but generally I find that if it blocks wind
and water out then you'll stay warm.
I usually wear long underwear either under or over my shirt, and once
when it was really cold like 20 below I wore long underwear under my
pants. For the shirt I tend to like the long underwear over the shirt I
find that I stay dryer.
For socks anything heavier from DeFeet or Injinji works fine for me:
I think the Injinji socks keep your feet warmer because they wrap around
each toe.
For gloves, I tend to again go the cyclist route, I find that even the
less expensive cycling gloves tend to block out the wind better then so
called "running gloves". And if you need more warmth, any standard
glove liner will do.
http://www.sugoi.com/usa/eng/Products/Bike/Men/Accessories/Details/1487-91002U.610-Firewall-LT-Glove
As far as hats/beanies, take your pick, anything does the job.
Also when you wash this stuff, throw in a handful of dryer sheets, the
waxy material that makes the sheets smell good wedges it's way into the
fibers of the clothes and actually makes them warmer over time and more
water resistant, something I learned when I was still romping around in
the military.
E**2
I also have a tube of ShoeGoo that I lightly rub on the seam were the
midsole meets the upper this helps keep my feet dry.
Charlie Pendejo
>> All I have for running gear is sweats. They get way too heavy
>> for long distances. Can you help me by recommending good
>> winter weather running apparel?
The good news is, pretty much anything whatsoever you might find made
of synthetic fibers or wool will be so so much better than your heavy
cotton sweats, you have no need to shell out major $$ to get started.
Double Ed:
> Personally I find that if my hands, feet, and head
> are warm I can get away with wearing heavy running tights, a synthetic
> fiber turtle neck, and a "wind proof" shell and beanie or ear warmers.
> I find that if you can find a lightweight jacket that blocks the wind
> out, you can get away with running in sub zero degree weather with
> minimal bulk.
That sounds about right. You don't generally need super heavy
coverage of your torso (except as noted, you'll want to block fierce
winter wind) or especially your legs. Running generates a lot of heat
- hence the sweating. Principle: if you're comfy in the first few
minutes of a winter run, you're gonna be too hot after a couple
miles. Then maybe too cold later as you've soaked your clothes in
sweat.
Here's a perfectly functional jacket for under twenty bucks:
http://tinyurl.com/yjy6pfp
I've got one, it's not flashy or stylish or the thinnest, lightest,
quietest material - it's old-skool nylon - but it's just fine for cold
weather running. I also have a Nike "sphere pro woven jacket", and it
has a sleek tailored fit and blatantly space-age fabric, but in the
end it protects from wind and cold and water about the same as the
cheap nylon windbreaker. I'm also happy with a pair of polypro tights
from that Bill Rodgers line.
The chain store Target also sells inexpensive running clothes which
apparently are pretty decent.
In the upper midwest you're gonna want wind briefs.
And people's glove needs varies wildly. If your hands run cold, you
may want mittens. Brooks makes a terrific two-layer pair - warm
fleece inner, windproof outer.
sam
@l13g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, doo...@yahoo.com says...
UnderArmour Cold Gear. It's most excellent.
s
John Hurley
snip
In general you really do not need a lot of stuff in winter. A couple
of layers that work well together.
For temps down into mid 20's I wear a long sleeve cotton running shirt
and usually a tyvek jacket. You can often pick up a souvenir race
tyvek jacket cheap they work really well to repel rain/snow from the
outside but allow sweat/steam to go thru from the inside. ... here's
one from El Paso marathon at 10 bucks http://upandrunningelpaso.com/tyvekjacket.aspx
...
Running tights or running pants work well you don't want something too
thick as the legs generate a lot of muscle heat. I have a couple
pairs of Nike running pants that I particularly like. In temps in the
30 range though I usually wear running shorts only going to tights/
pants when it is at 30 or below.
A good pair of gloves makes all the difference to me. If my hands are
warm everything feels warm. I have some light weight cotton running
gloves for warmer days and a couple variations of warmer ones.
Mix in a hat when needed ( again I usually only wear some kind of knit
cap when it gets below 30 ) and you are all set!
If you have a bunch of snow when you run then spend a lot of time
knowing where your next steps are going to be. It takes some of the
fun out of running keeping your eyes directly on what is ahead of you
but falling down often is not much fun.
Edward Edmonds
> In temps in the
> 30 range though I usually wear running shorts only going to tights/
> pants when it is at 30 or below.
Having my balls shrink to the size of hydrogen atoms is not in my box of
tricks. :-)
I've seen a lot of people get away with shorts in the 30's and sometimes
below, and also a few that can go without shirts; just don't get
stranded on a trail with no mobile phone coverage.
John Hurley
snip
> > In temps in the
> > 30 range though I usually wear running shorts only going to tights/
> > pants when it is at 30 or below.
>
> Having my balls shrink to the size of hydrogen atoms is not in my box of
> tricks. :-)
You probably have not been married as long as many of us older guys
have ...
Edward Edmonds
In that case I'd assume they'd grow to the size of hydrogen bombs,
unless your taking care of yourself 7+ times a day.
dood
> Can you
> help me by recommending good winter weather running apparel?
>
Thank you gentlemen, one and all...great information here as always.
Dave
Ed Prochak
I know you got great answers, but I'd like to emphasize one point
briefly mentioned by JohnH.
Whatever you wear, dress in layers. Even several light/thin layers
work better than a few heavy layers. The advantage is, if you
predicted wrongly and it is warmer that you expected, you can remove
just enough material to make the heat balance better.
IMHO, the type of fabrics does not matter as much. The high tech
fabrics can be amazing, but even cotton layers can work. The key is
keeping your skin relatively dry.
That's all. See you out there!
Ed
Doug Freese
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Then you can bang Ernie and twins to send an SOS!!
Shorts sounds good or macho right until until the time you twist an
ankle or some problem and have to walk home.
-D
Edward Edmonds
+1
I guess maybe on a short run it would be semi-reasonable to go without
much on, but I'd have a tendency to question the intelligence of someone
who went out on a long run minimally equipped in freezing temperatures,
I'm sure most of the time it would be fine, but it certainly does leave
a lot to chance, I mean a lot COULD go wrong.
John Hurley
> On Nov 28, 7:48 pm, dood <dood...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 27, 11:50 pm, dood <dood...@yahoo.com> wrote:
snip
> I know you got great answers, but I'd like to emphasize one point
> briefly mentioned by JohnH.
>
> Whatever you wear, dress in layers. Even several light/thin layers
> work better than a few heavy layers. The advantage is, if you
> predicted wrongly and it is warmer that you expected, you can remove
> just enough material to make the heat balance better.
>
> IMHO, the type of fabrics does not matter as much. The high tech
> fabrics can be amazing, but even cotton layers can work. The key is
> keeping your skin relatively dry.
Good emphasis on that point. As long as your outer jacket is
relatively light ( no matter what the fabric ) you can pull it open or
off and carry it if needed.
Charlie Pendejo
> I guess maybe on a short run it would be semi-reasonable to go without
> much on, but I'd have a tendency to question the intelligence of someone
> who went out on a long run minimally equipped in freezing temperatures,
That's one of the benefits of being an urban runner. While we don't
enjoy endless unspoiled landscape with nary a fellow hominid in sight,
we can pretty much roll out the door without worry about hauling food
or drink, dying of a twisted ankle in frigid weather, etc. A few $$
in the pocket will cover any contingency shy of getting shot or
becoming roadkill.
bgl
"Charlie Pendejo" <charlie...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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My neighborhood loops also include multiple little side-loops &
bailout/go-home points that can make it a 3 mile lap or a 3/4 mile "not
gonna happen today" disaster & I'm back in my front door. Some of those
side-loops are designed to avoid traffic lights as well as lengthen the
route.
Roadkill-risk is another matter, the way cars run stop signs & don't even
see people on feet.
bj
Melinda Shore
Ed Prochak <edpr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>IMHO, the type of fabrics does not matter as much. The high tech
>fabrics can be amazing, but even cotton layers can work. The key is
>keeping your skin relatively dry.
Yeah. And to be honest, I've found that if you've got a
good base layer you can really fudge pretty well on the
rest, as long as you can layer it up. However, I won't wear
cotton below about 10F, mostly because moisture that wicks
out to it while you're working hard gets absorbed by it and
can be pretty uncomfortable when you stop moving.
BTW if you're concerned about overdressing (ref. the
how-risky-is-it-to-wear-shorts-in-cold-weather discussion)
there's some stuff that can crumple up very small and be
shoved into a modest butt bag. I've got a Hind wind shell I
picked up cheep from Reliable Racing (nordic ski stuff
supplier) that I can stick in a pocket but that does a
pretty good job keeping the wind off.
--
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Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community
Doug Freese
> I guess maybe on a short run it would be semi-reasonable to go without
> much on, but I'd have a tendency to question the intelligence of
> someone who went out on a long run minimally equipped in freezing
> temperatures, I'm sure most of the time it would be fine, but it
> certainly does leave a lot to chance, I mean a lot COULD go wrong.
Especially if you pan to have kids or at least try the horizontal mambo
with a working tool chest....;)
-D
Michelle
"Doug Freese" <dfr...@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
> Especially if you pan to have kids
Most people pan for gold when/if they pan.
--
26.2 Because I can
anders
> Also when you wash this stuff, throw in a handful of dryer sheets, the
> waxy material that makes the sheets smell good wedges it's way into the
> fibers of the clothes and actually makes them warmer over time and more
> water resistant, something I learned when I was still romping around in
> the military.
It is always a wonderful for a middle-aged guy when he learns
something completely new, such as the existence of something called
dryer sheets!
If I understood what I read http://pubs.acs.org/cen/whatstuff/86/8615sci2.html
correctly, dryer sheets contain a fabric softener - and the care
instructions of the "technical" wear I've bought usually included a
warning that use of a fabric softener would make the garment less
breathable and compromise its wicking properties.
I know that care instructions are for wimps, but I'm not sure
increased water resistance is the first characteristic one would want
especially in the layer closest to the skin.
Anders (who has - probably fortunately - forgotten everything he
learned in the military)
anders
> Having my balls shrink to the size of hydrogen atoms is not in my box of
> tricks. :-)
Believe, it's not the shrinking of your balls that will be the most
painful:-)
Anyway, I've discovered that I can get away with long tights (and a
non-windproof top) when the average jogger is wearing his long
underwear underneath his Goretex pants, but I absolutely must have my
two pairs of mesh boxers with windproof material in critical places.
BTW when the weather is borderline, i.e. you know you will not
probably get dressed up just right for what you will actually meet
during the run, it is often possible to fine tune it be choosing your
head- and handwear "in the opposite direction".
Anders
Edward Edmonds
> On Nov 28, 11:03 am, Edward Edmonds<edward.edmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Also when you wash this stuff, throw in a handful of dryer sheets, the
>> waxy material that makes the sheets smell good wedges it's way into the
>> fibers of the clothes and actually makes them warmer over time and more
>> water resistant, something I learned when I was still romping around in
>> the military.
>
> It is always a wonderful for a middle-aged guy when he learns
> something completely new, such as the existence of something called
> dryer sheets!
Middle aged? What?
LOL. I've been doing laundry since I was in the 6th grade, I've been
well aware of the existence of dryer sheets for the past 15 years.
> If I understood what I read http://pubs.acs.org/cen/whatstuff/86/8615sci2.html
> correctly, dryer sheets contain a fabric softener - and the care
> instructions of the "technical" wear I've bought usually included a
> warning that use of a fabric softener would make the garment less
> breathable and compromise its wicking properties.
>
> I know that care instructions are for wimps, but I'm not sure
> increased water resistance is the first characteristic one would want
> especially in the layer closest to the skin.
That's correct, your experiences may vary, but in my experiences I
haven't noticed any compromise in the "wicking" properties of my
synthetic clothing. Maybe in a lab environment at a microscopic level
we could detect a change but overall I haven't noticed a difference
besides weather blocking properties. I think you'd have to throw a
couple boxes of dryer sheets in to achieve the wearing the trash bag feel.
jobs
Check out this page by Donovan who used to post here on r.r. regularly:
http://www.panix.com/~elflord/running/winter_reviews/
It might be a bit dated but should give you some ideas.
jobs
dizzy
>On 11/28/2009 9:04 PM, John Hurley wrote:
>> In temps in the
>> 30 range though I usually wear running shorts only going to tights/
>> pants when it is at 30 or below.
>
>Having my balls shrink to the size of hydrogen atoms is not in my box of
>tricks. :-)
Hehe. They do that even on warm-day runs! What's the deal with
that??
dizzy
>I'm in the upper midwest and it's getting colder by the week. I want
>this to be my first winter that I keep running throughout. In the
>past I have just stopped when it gets cold. All I have for running
>gear is sweats. They get way too heavy for long distances. Can you
>help me by recommending good winter weather running apparel?
I use packing tape over my forefoot (over the sock) to help defeat my
shoes' not-so-desirable-in-Winter ventilation.
dizzy
>For temps down into mid 20's I wear a long sleeve cotton running shirt
>and usually a tyvek jacket. You can often pick up a souvenir race
>tyvek jacket cheap they work really well to repel rain/snow from the
>outside but allow sweat/steam to go thru from the inside. ... here's
>one from El Paso marathon at 10 bucks http://upandrunningelpaso.com/tyvekjacket.aspx
Mid 20's? Is that considered cold in your parts?
Up here, where it *really* gets cold, keeping your body warm is still
not difficult. The problem is that you'll freeze your face off if
it's below 20 and there's any wind.
I went out today when it was 15 (thankfully no wind) and was fine in a
standard poly suit with a Smartwool top under that. Hat and gloves,
too, of course.
sam
Melinda Shore
dizzy <di...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>I use packing tape over my forefoot (over the sock) to help defeat my
>shoes' not-so-desirable-in-Winter ventilation.
Do you find you've got problems with sweat doing that?
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Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community