The high schoolers had the track so I a took another route

[Old Runner]

I haven't been running with a stopwatch and of late I've been distracted from
running mostly recently. Anyway with a stopwatch on board, I ran 3 miles in 20 minutes no extra seconds. ON the other hand my upper body is still recovering and will need work to get the push ups and pulls to acceptable numbers. Running does seem to help the crunch/situp numbers though here again this isn't something I've
worked on lately. Fear not I won't be sore tomorrow as I not one of you
nature boys who sees simple living as a virtue. Better living thru
chemistry minus big pharma favorites.

That said there are other old guys (circa 50) beating me on the track.

Circa 60..................................Trig

[Old Runner]

Has anyone tried hanging upside down for the upper back and neck?
Or any part of the back for that matter?

I am looking for another 'edge' on life................Trig

[Michelle]

In article <8f1cf6d9-c10f-43ff...@googlegroups.com>,

Old Runner <trigonom...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That said there are other old guys (circa 50) beating me on the track.
>
> Circa 60..................................Trig

Neither 50 nor 60 is "old".

-- Michelle (age 70)

--
"Too soon we cross the finish line.
Too late we realize�the fun was in the running." -- Pogo

[Old Runner]

I didn't say elderly.

[Bart Mathias]

On Sat, 18 May 2013 06:58:22 -0700
Michelle <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <8f1cf6d9-c10f-43ff...@googlegroups.com>,
> Old Runner <trigonom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > That said there are other old guys (circa 50) beating me on the track.
> >
> > Circa 60..................................Trig
>
> Neither 50 nor 60 is "old".
>
> -- Michelle (age 70)

Right. Even I have two years to go before I'll be old.

Seventy is where Fairly Old starts, however.

--
Bart Mathias <mat...@hawaii.edu>

[Bart Mathias]

On Sat, 18 May 2013 06:58:22 -0700
Michelle <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

--
Bart Mathias <mat...@hawaii.edu>

[Michelle]

In article <20130518185945....@hawaii.edu>,

Bart Mathias <mat...@hawaii.edu> wrote:

> > > That said there are other old guys (circa 50) beating me on the
> > > track.
> > >
> > > Circa 60..................................Trig
> >
> > Neither 50 nor 60 is "old".
> >
> > -- Michelle (age 70)
>
>
> Right. Even I have two years to go before I'll be old.
>
> Seventy is where Fairly Old starts, however.

Seventy is very late middle age.

[Old Runner]

Two year to four years before elderly, It seems to me.
Look at the mortality curve.
For some middle age is 35 to 44 and 45 to 54 broken for early and late.
Watch reproduction and fertility.
The old age 55 to about 70 or 72 after which one isn't old but elderly, IMO.
Watch the curve. Plus elderly can broken is to three sections: early, late
and extreme. Watch the curve. Note the apparent inflection point of the
curve. Note the tail out to the right on the XY chart.

slow on the curves especially on icy roads.............Trig

[John Hurley]

Old:

# That said there are other old guys (circa 50) beating me on the
track.

Been way way too long since I have been doing any track workouts ...
way too busy!

At 20 minutes flat for 3 miles though ... I would suggest just asking
to join in the workout session ... the coaching staff can use you as
an example of living right!

[Ed Prochak]

No hanging but I do have one "stretch" that might interest you.

WARNING: You should be careful getting into this position. And I don't think it is recommended any more (chance of hurting your neck).

Basically it is a shoulder stand. Picture a Capital L. your head is the base line and your legs and body are the vertical line.

It is one of my favorite post run stretches. It seems to strengthen the back while being (at least in my mind) a relaxing position. You might find it worthwhile.

Enjoy the run.
ed

[Ed Prochak]

Neither did she.

I plan to live to one hundred, so right now I'm only middle aged (59). 8^)

Hopefully I'll still be enjoying the run.
ed

[Bart Mathias]

On Sat, 18 May 2013 23:10:01 -0700
Michelle <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <20130518185945....@hawaii.edu>,
> Bart Mathias <mat...@hawaii.edu> wrote:
>

> > ... Even I have two years to go before I'll be old.

> >
> > Seventy is where Fairly Old starts, however.
>
> Seventy is very late middle age.

I don't recognize that system, but I am anti-imperialism and use the decimal
system, whereby =

0-9 = Early Childhood
10-19 = Late Childhood
20-29 = Very Young
30-39 = Young
40-49 = Fairly Young
50-59 = Early Middleage
60-69 = Late Middleage
70-79 = Fairly Old
80-89 = Old
90-99 = Very Old
100-109 = Fairly Superannuated
110-119 = Superannuated
120-129 = Very Superannuated
130-139 = Who You Kidding?

I caught on to this during one of my long Sunday runs, back in Early
Middleage. Probably about the time I gave up running miles; miles would
have made that 13-miler a medium distance (10-19) run, but 21 km. turned
it long (20+). Previously I only had long runs when training for a marathon.


--
Bart Mathias <mat...@hawaii.edu>

[Michelle]

In article <20130519164217....@hawaii.edu>,

Bart Mathias <mat...@hawaii.edu> wrote:

> > > Seventy is where Fairly Old starts, however.
> >
> > Seventy is very late middle age.
>
> I don't recognize that system,

It's simple; I'm putting off transitioning from middle age as long as I
can. It started when I turned 40, which was "approaching middle age".
Fifty was "early middle age". Sixty was "middle age". Sixty five was
"late middle age". Seventy is "Very late middle age." At 75, I'll
recognize that I'm no longer middle aged.

[Syamu Mamilla M]

dfg

[John Hurley]

Michelle;

Most of the running population judges apparent age by speed or lack
thereof.

I passed into middle age when I could no longer go under 18 minutes in
a 5k ( a reasonable female approximation might be 21:30 ? ).

I avoided the "really old" label by sneaking back in under 20 minutes
after a long period of not racing.

At this point it looks like my lack of speed is back again ( lack of
hard work is directly related to that lack of speed ).

Therefore I am really really old and not yet 60.

Racing for most of the running population gives us an honest look in
the mirror and finish times are pretty objective.

The OP notes 3 miles flat in 20 minutes which is still close to
reasonably fast for the given age.

[Michelle]

In article
<a0f350ae-e351-4995...@i3g2000yqf.googlegroups.com>,

John Hurley <hurle...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Most of the running population judges apparent age by speed or lack
> thereof.

I was speaking of age in general, not necessarily as judged by runners, and
was trying to be tongue in cheek.

In reality, I do consider myself to be a "senior citizen".

Believe it or not, I was concerned that I came in second in AG in 2011
(65-69) and 2012 (70-74) at the Iron Girl 5K here in the Phoenix area. I
had walked both races, and expected to come in at or near the back of the
AG in each race. (Well, in 2012, I was 2nd of three finishers, but I know
there were at least five of us who started. In 2011, I was 2nd of 5
finishers.) I felt that there should have been more of us, and that there
would be more runners and fewer walkers.

I'll enter that race again this year; it's December 15. I hope to be able
to run it, but even if I do, I expect that I'll do no better than 2nd in AG
again, and probably 3rd at best. The woman who won it last year had a time
about eight minutes faster than my PR for the distance, as did the woman
who won the 65-69 last year; she'll be in the 70-74 AG this year. And if I
can't run it, I'll walk it as I did the past two years.

But my philosophy about running these days is accurately summed up by the
Pogo quote in my sig.

[Ed Prochak]

On Monday, May 20, 2013 8:18:52 AM UTC-4, John Hurley wrote:
> Michelle;
>
>
>
> Most of the running population judges apparent age by speed or lack
>
> thereof.
>
>
>
> I passed into middle age when I could no longer go under 18 minutes in
>
> a 5k ( a reasonable female approximation might be 21:30 ? ).
>
>
>
> I avoided the "really old" label by sneaking back in under 20 minutes
>
> after a long period of not racing.
>

Given my best 5k ever was 25:06 I was old even then. 8^)
Given my current times I'm literally ancient!

[Bart Mathias]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 20:02:09 -0700
Michelle <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:

> In article <20130519164217....@hawaii.edu>,
> Bart Mathias <mat...@hawaii.edu> wrote:
>
> > > > Seventy is where Fairly Old starts, however.
> > >
> > > Seventy is very late middle age.
> >
> > I don't recognize that system,
>
> It's simple; I'm putting off transitioning from middle age as long as I
> can. It started when I turned 40, which was "approaching middle age".
> Fifty was "early middle age". Sixty was "middle age". Sixty five was
> "late middle age". Seventy is "Very late middle age." At 75, I'll
> recognize that I'm no longer middle aged.

I'm not sure that's really "simple," but if it works for you, I suppose it's
OK. But your system and John's are keyed to individuals and variable; if I
were to be realistic instead of taxonomic, I'd have to admit that I was very
old at a little over 76. And I also recognize that a lot of people still die
of essentially old age in their 60's, but I will continue to consider that as
dying of Late Middle Age.

Now, you might think this is enough of this silliness, but I agree.

--
Bart Mathias <mat...@hawaii.edu>

[Michelle]

In article <20130520172159....@hawaii.edu>,

Bart Mathias <mat...@hawaii.edu> wrote:

> > > > > Seventy is where Fairly Old starts, however.
> > > >
> > > > Seventy is very late middle age.
> > >
> > > I don't recognize that system,
> >
> > It's simple; I'm putting off transitioning from middle age as long as
> > I can. It started when I turned 40, which was "approaching middle
> > age". Fifty was "early middle age". Sixty was "middle age". Sixty
> > five was "late middle age". Seventy is "Very late middle age." At
> > 75, I'll recognize that I'm no longer middle aged.
>
> I'm not sure that's really "simple," but if it works for you, I suppose
> it's OK. But your system and John's are keyed to individuals and
> variable;

Of course. The bottom line, I believe, is "You're only as old as you think
and feel that you are."

-- Michelle

[Old Runner]

Now you've found what is old on me. There was a time I could do 100 push
up with the legs and trunk at 180 degree but those years are long ago.
These days money is going for the chiro work. Legs and lower back good but
above that I feel my years. I am hoping if the problem clears up
I can compel myself to strengthen the upper back and feel fully
whole for another span of time. Indeed if I can do that I am willing
to take more than my share of risks provided I put no one else at risk.
Climbing the ladder, climbing the tower, climbing to heights, LOL.
Make a mistake, it can be a quick cheap end.


an old man in universe..................Trig

[HomeExercise]

At a 10K race last month I was getting my arse thouroughly kicked my
many 60/70 year olds, I'm 21 and fairly fit




--
HomeExercise

[Ed Prochak]

On Sunday, June 9, 2013 9:57:31 AM UTC-4, HomeExercise wrote:
> At a 10K race last month I was getting my arse thouroughly kicked my
>
> many 60/70 year olds, I'm 21 and fairly fit

So did you post a race report? If you did I missed it.

Enjoy the run,
ed

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--
Jolia