Carbs
Brown Cat
can sometimes be fairly easy but other times the same route can be hard
and tiring. I feel almost like I'm hitting the wall yet I can still
manage to run the whole thing.
I've noticed what I eat and drink makes a big difference.
Drinking plenty of water during the day helps a lot.
I've also noticed 'carbing up' through the day helps. For example I
could have tuna pasta, spaghetti bolognese or rice for lunch and a banana.
It seems like if I don't 'carb up' in the day then my run is typically
going to be hard and tiring. I'm just wondering if feeling this way is
normal for a run which is relatively short. Would a person normally have
enough glucose stores to get them this far? Or is it normal to feel this
way, perhaps a typical ~2000 kcal diet isn't enough to cover a run?
Edward Edmonds
For a 3.5 mile run, you shouldn't need to eat anything special, a
balanced consistent diet is all you need. I can't remember the last
time I had pasta. I run close to 40k a day on a 1500-1700 calorie diet
and on long runs of 30+k the only thing I carry is water. I sincerely
doubt you are hitting "the wall".
The next question I'd ask you is how much effort are you putting into
these 3.5 mile runs? Are you going all out? If you are then it would
make sense that you have good days and bad days because 3.5 miles at an
all out effort everyday would knock you back a bit as an all out effort
would be highly anaerobic and would effect your blood pH levels.
If your not going all out the next question I'd ask is how long have you
been running? If not long then this would bring into question your
aerobic conditioning as well as how consistently you've been running.
I can assure you that 2000 calories a day is more then enough to sustain
a 3.5 mile run at aerobic paces everyday.
You might want to check with your doctor if you experiencing regular
sluggishness as that can be a red flag that there is an underlying problem.
BUT, on the surface from all the information you've provided so far and
from my own experiences I suspect maybe your either running at really
high efforts, or you've not been running long and your aerobic
conditioning needs some work. If you are running hard and haven't been
running long, it would be best if you slow down.
I've only been at it for 2 years and that's all I can really think of,
perhaps the more experienced folks in here might be able to chime in
with some of their experiences.
E**2
John Hurley
snip
It does not make sense to me.
Unless you have some kind of medical issues like diabetes or strange
blood chemistry issues.
Everyone is different but I could easily not eat at all any given day
and still run 8 or 10 miles without needing the food. Normally your
body should have adequate reserves in place to handle things like that
without doing anything special.
Have you been to see a doc in a while? Might be time to get yourself
checked out if not.
Mark Cleary
doing this when you are out for more than 4 hours of running. I have run
my best marathons on not eating a thing 14 hours before the race. If I
went out and did a 20 mile run tomorrow I would be fine not eating
anything different. The problem would be if I did not get at least some
decent carbs after I would feel it the next day.
Like John 8 to 10 miles I could do without eating a thing. It would only
be if you keep trying to do that days in a row.
--
Deacon Mark Cleary
Epiphany Roman Catholic Church
Dot
You shouldn't have to carb load for a 3.5mi run, but if you're hungry
before you head out, then grab a snack, by all means. I found when I was
new to running, that I typically needed to eat more than I do now. A lot
depends on how long it takes you to run the 3.5mi and whether it's hilly
or deep snow or whatever. I used to test eating on the run on shorter
runs so I'd know what would work (palatable and stay down) when I needed
it for longer runs.
Using the rule of thumb of about 100cal/mile, a 3.5mi run (not hilly,
not snowy) might take near 350cals - and it's really easy to eat more
than that.
Dot
Dot
Charlie Pendejo
> My typical route takes me 3.5 miles. I've found that running this route
> can sometimes be fairly easy but other times the same route can be hard
> and tiring. I feel almost like I'm hitting the wall yet I can still
> manage to run the whole thing.
>
> I've noticed what I eat and drink makes a big difference.
How long have you been running?
At the dawn of my outdoor running career 6+ years ago, I recall the
effort of my runs seeming far more widely disparate than later on, and
as my route gradually grew from a start of ~1.5 miles to 3 or 4 miles,
like you, I felt like I ran out of gas a few times. I don't know what
really physiologically happened, or if it's even possible for a
reasonably healthy non-fasting runner to have glycogen problems after
so little exercise, but I'd suddenly felt weak and tired and need to
slow down or walk.
Can't say whether it was evolving my diet or hydration habits or
physical adaptations from training or what, but I "outgrew" this
pretty quick. For years now, as others say, I go out in the morning
for whatever distance - even a 2 hour long run - without eating since
dinner the night before, no problem. Last time I remember feeling
like I started to bonk was 3 or 4 years ago, probably 16-18 miles into
a very long marathon training run.
Brown Cat
> For a 3.5 mile run, you shouldn't need to eat anything special, a
> balanced consistent diet is all you need. I can't remember the last
> time I had pasta. I run close to 40k a day on a 1500-1700 calorie diet
> and on long runs of 30+k the only thing I carry is water. I sincerely
> doubt you are hitting "the wall".
I don't think I am hitting the wall, I just feel constantly like I want
to stop.
> The next question I'd ask you is how much effort are you putting into
> these 3.5 mile runs? Are you going all out? If you are then it would
> make sense that you have good days and bad days because 3.5 miles at an
> all out effort everyday would knock you back a bit as an all out effort
> would be highly anaerobic and would effect your blood pH levels.
No, I'm not going all out. I run fairly slow, my 3.5 mile run usually
takes me 40-45 minutes.
> If your not going all out the next question I'd ask is how long have you
> been running? If not long then this would bring into question your
> aerobic conditioning as well as how consistently you've been running.
I did start jogging about 6 months ago but it hasn't been very regular.
Sometimes I've ran 6 times in 2 weeks, then I may have gone a month
without running at all. In all of November I've ran 4 times. So perhaps
I'm not running regular enough to increase my conditioning?
Doug Freese
"Brown Cat" <br...@eye.invalid> wrote in message
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> No, I'm not going all out. I run fairly slow, my 3.5 mile run usually
> takes me 40-45 minutes.
>
>> If your not going all out the next question I'd ask is how long have
>> you
>> been running? If not long then this would bring into question your
>> aerobic conditioning as well as how consistently you've been running.
>
> I did start jogging about 6 months ago but it hasn't been very
> regular.
> Sometimes I've ran 6 times in 2 weeks, then I may have gone a month
> without running at all. In all of November I've ran 4 times. So
> perhaps
> I'm not running regular enough to increase my conditioning?
As others have suggested it's not calories unless there are some
underlying issues. You uare still going through an adaption phase and
not being very consistent. Maybe the 3.5 is too much until you get more
consistent.
-D
Johnny golden
I wrote in maybe a month ago with what sounds like pretty much the
same issue you are having. I was (and still do on occasion) get that
"hitting the wall" feeling (though I've never run far enough to
actually hit the wall). Typically, I'd start off and right around the
end of the first or second mile, I'd start to feel "dazed." My hands
get sort of numb, I feel weak and dizzy and I get this overwhelming
desire to just stop right there and eat.
I've been to the DR a few times and I even have an echo scheduled for
this week but I and my doctor suspect there is nothing physically
wrong. In nearly every case when I experience this, if I simply slow
way way down or stop and walk for a hundred yards, I can start back up
and actually feel much stronger, faster and better than when I
started. Often I'll finish a 6 mile run (after "hitting the wall" at
mile 2) running much faster and feeling absolutely wonderful!
One thing that some of the members of this group have pointed out is
that I may not be warming up long enough or in the correct way. Now
when I run, i run very VERY slow for sometimes the first 2 miles. If
i do it this way, i never experience the fatigue, weakness etc and
have very good runs.
I've sort of come to the conclusion that I've just never really been
in as good a shape as I liked to think I was as I've never in the past
really treated running as anything more than the most casual of
activities. when i started upping my miles and my speed, I did it in a
haphazard way, not really following any technique and just assuming
that my relatively young body could just naturally take it.
Hope you figure out what it is for you.
-john
On Nov 28, 3:57 pm, Brown Cat <br...@eye.invalid> wrote:
Brown Cat
> Hey Brown Cat,
> I wrote in maybe a month ago with what sounds like pretty much the same
> issue you are having. I was (and still do on occasion) get that
> "hitting the wall" feeling (though I've never run far enough to actually
> hit the wall). Typically, I'd start off and right around the end of the
> first or second mile, I'd start to feel "dazed." My hands get sort of
> numb, I feel weak and dizzy and I get this overwhelming desire to just
> stop right there and eat.
I don't feel weak, numb or dizzy but I do have a strong desire to stop
running because it feels like it's just too much.
> I've been to the DR a few times and I even have an echo scheduled for
> this week but I and my doctor suspect there is nothing physically wrong.
> In nearly every case when I experience this, if I simply slow way way
> down or stop and walk for a hundred yards, I can start back up and
> actually feel much stronger, faster and better than when I started.
> Often I'll finish a 6 mile run (after "hitting the wall" at mile 2)
> running much faster and feeling absolutely wonderful!
It's funny that I feel this way, because not so long ago I managed a 10.5
mile run and felt completely different. I felt full of energy and for the
first 5 miles I just felt like I could keep going and going, with no urge
to stop. I'm more into cycling than running and I can quite happily cope
with a 25 mile bike ride.
> One thing that some of the members of this group have pointed out is
> that I may not be warming up long enough or in the correct way. Now when
> I run, i run very VERY slow for sometimes the first 2 miles. If i do it
> this way, i never experience the fatigue, weakness etc and have very
> good runs.
I have to admit I don't do much warming up, if I do any at all. I think
I'll keep this in mind next time I go running.
Johnny golden
of your original post ; )
Talk about projecting...
-j
Brown Cat
> I have to admit I don't do much warming up, if I do any at all. I think
> I'll keep this in mind next time I go running.
I went out running today doing 3.5 miles another.
Before I went out I did a bit of skipping, I don't think I did enough for
a warm up but it was better than nothing. Also when I ran I made a more
conscious effort to not run faster than I felt comfortable with.
It wasn't my best run but it was a lot more enjoyable than the one I had
last time, I had no urges at all to stop running. I finished the run
feeling like I could quite easily carried on going.
Brown Cat
> I'll keep this in mind next time I go running.
If anyone's still reading, I just did a 5 mile run and it was easier than
the 3.5 mile one. I did some light exercise at home to get my heart rate
up then for the first two minutes I did a brisk walk. I definitely think
my problem was down to not warming up properly.
Doug Freese
"Brown Cat" <br...@eye.invalid> wrote in message
Great! Sounds like "your gonna be a conteda." :)
-D
Ed Prochak
> Great! Sounds like "your gonna be a conteda." :)
>
Who let Regis in here and why is he posting under Doug's account?
8^)