Narcissism in runners?
m...@privacy.net
in runners you know??
The runners I know..... seem to have such traits and I
am wondering if there is a connection
Edward Edmonds
It's a naturally occurring phenomenon in most runner's I've come across;
does it bother you?
E**2
sam
says...
Nothing natural about narcissim. In fact, it's
unnatural. And pretty much incurable, according
to studies.
s
Edward Edmonds
Actually narcissism is natural and essential to self preservation. When
narcissism becomes a problem is when in manifests itself as Narcissistic
Personality Disorder(NPD) or Narcissistic Personality Style(NPS) both of
which are defined in the DSM IV. The essential difference between NPD and
NPS is that NPD is pathological and untreatable whereas NPS is not
pathological and is treatable.
m...@privacy.net
>It's a naturally occurring phenomenon in most runner's I've come across;
>does it bother you?
No.... but I guess I have never noticed it till
lately....
And I'm wandering if running causes it...... or if its
just that a lot of narcissists just take up running?
IOW..does the running cause a big increase of
testosterone, ect?
Edward Edmonds
>
> No.... but I guess I have never noticed it till
> lately....
Have you been hanging out w/ runners in their 20's and early 30's?
Generally I find the older folks much more pleasant to be around when they
aren't complaining about their kids college or wives. :)
E**2
rick++
m...@privacy.net
>I seen it in about any sport where people get over-involved.
ok
but trying to determine the "causation" I guess
is it that athletes are narcissist first and then
athletes
or vise versa
does the intense training CAUSE a release of chemicals
and hormones that MAKE narcissism?
I know one woman..... who after starting running years
ago (from sedentary lifestyle)..... and became VERY
good at it..... is almost so full of herself its hard
to be around her
the change in persona is remarkable before and after
Doug Freese
"Edward Edmonds" <edward....@gmail.invalid> wrote in message
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There is healthy narcissism and a narcissistic disorder. I don't
consider myself, or people that I run with, on the pejorative side. I
like running and I like how I feel and happen to look lean. This sounds
more like a non-exercising persons opinion rather then between runners.
-D
Doug Freese
"sam" <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote in message
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> In article <op.u7dm25nch5l7nc@laptop>, edward....@gmail.invalid
> unnatural. And pretty much incurable, according
> to studies.
Ignorance is bliss!
Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism specifically
healthy narcissim and then come back with a real point.
That's like saying all lobbyists are bad. Sounds good until you look as
those that lobby for people with needs(and not greedy bankers in need
bigger purses).
-D
Doug Freese
<m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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If anything it is an individual personality change and prevalent in some
people in every sport or job. I can remember talking and running with
Bill Rogers in his prime(when he wasn;t racing) and unless you knew
how good his was you would never know. OTOH Marty Liquoi was aloof.
Regardless of sports or even the workplace, some become A-holes when
they achieve a certain level. Is the job or the person? Your looking
at a small subset and trying to conclude some generality - not true nor
fair.
-D
sam
says...
A mark of narcissim really isn't whether someone is "aloof" or
using a loofa or whatever, but it's whether, for example, they
can empathize with someone else. You won't know this unless
you have spent a fair amount of time with a narcissist.
They can seem like such nice people when you are giving
them what they want, sometimes for years. I'm sure this
was in your Wikipedia article, and you just didn't read far
enough.
s
sam
I was admittedly being snarky, but accurate, in a general way.
Here's a question for you. Why can't someone become a therapist
just by reading the DSM IV?
s
m...@privacy.net
>but it's whether, for example, they
>can empathize with someone else.
Yes.... agree wit that above!
I just remember running with this woman and a few
others and we went past a homeless man living in a
box..... and she said "those people want to live that
way"..... and it struck me so odd that she could not
empathize and think" gee maybe he went bankrupt from
health bills, lost his job, etc.
D Stumpus
"Doug Freese" <dfr...@hvc.rr.com> wrote
> If anything it is an individual personality change and prevalent in some
> people in every sport or job. I can remember talking and running with
> Bill Rogers in his prime(when he wasn;t racing) and unless you knew how
> good his was you would never know. OTOH Marty Liquoi was aloof. Regardless
> of sports or even the workplace, some become A-holes when they achieve a
> certain level.
Aloof or not, Liquori wrote an outstanding book that took my game to another
level:
"Marty Liquori's guide for the elite runner"
Re Rogers, the two world-class Kenyans I ran with (B. Maiyo and B. Mbithe),
were very modest -- they said their 10k PR's were around 30 minutes (and not
the 27:xx
they actually were).
Bart Mathias
> "Edward Edmonds" <edward....@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>
>> It's a naturally occurring phenomenon in most runner's I've come across;
>> does it bother you?
>
> No.... but I guess I have never noticed it till
> lately....
>
> And I'm wandering if running causes it...... or if its
> just that a lot of narcissists just take up running?
There's one guy on this list who was a narcissist for 44 years before he
started running, so that probably wasn't a cause in his case.
On the other hand, he didn't jump at every excuse to talk about his
running until he was 45.
Bart
Doug Freese
"sam" <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote in message
> using a loofa or whatever, but it's whether, for example, they
> can empathize with someone else. You won't know this unless
> you have spent a fair amount of time with a narcissist.
> They can seem like such nice people when you are giving
> them what they want, sometimes for years. I'm sure this
> was in your Wikipedia article, and you just didn't read far
> enough.
I can say the same with programmers, engineers, doctors and even a few
lawyers. For instance, I hung with programmers(thousands of them) for
30 years, runners for 25 and some of both. If anything programmers were
the most narcissistic bunch of dweebs on earth. I had to work and then
manage them for my last 20 years. By your causation theory programming
languages create narcissism, especially SQL DBA's. A friendly poke at
John ;)
Maybe you hang with some strange people but I found those that took up
running to be just the opposite. Almost a personality catharsis. In my
experience, FWIW, it is just the opposite. Are there exceptions, without
a doubt but not much more than that.
-D
sam
says...
You assume facts not in evidence. I'm not the one who said
runners are narcissistic; I was only writing about the
definition of narcissism. In fact, my experience with runners
has also been the opposite.
s
John Hurley
snip
> If anything it is an individual personality change and prevalent in some
> people in every sport or job. I can remember talking and running with
> Bill Rogers in his prime(when he wasn;t racing) and unless you knew
> how good his was you would never know. OTOH Marty Liquoi was aloof.
> Regardless of sports or even the workplace, some become A-holes when
> they achieve a certain level. Is the job or the person? Your looking
> at a small subset and trying to conclude some generality - not true nor
> fair.
Who says you have to achieve something first?
dood
An #$$hole is an #$$hole whether he/she's a runner or not.
d
dizzy
sam
di...@nospam.invalid says...
It's difficult to see my computer screen with this mirror
in the way.
s
samvaknin
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/narcissisticabuse/message/4944
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