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Before you buy.
Yes, how could anybody say that? :)
Bet you're glad you read that article now.
This is what I hope to see in a runner and a runner hopes to see in
him/herself.. Here's a BIG ADA BOY. Keep up the good work.
P.S.
If you ever see my ex in Prospect Park, tell her hi. :)
--
David
"IndyRunr"
>> In the next 7 years I ran 12 marathons, I finished 7 of them,
>> as for the other 5, they landed me in the medical tent or an ambulance.
- Steve
Sorry mate, you read the wrong article. Everyone KNOWS it's 3.30 that
divides the real marathoners from the rest (Grins, ducks and runs)
Well done
Rob K
You know how you felt during the run and at the finish.
You know how you felt as you wrote this.
The rest of us don't enter into the equation, least of all those that would
attempt to be unkind. You ran the race, so you enjoy it with your friends.
Some of us here will enjoy it with you.
Steve (I understand completely)
Cape Cod 10/98 4:51 by myself
Vancouver 5/99 4:03 with friends
Bay State 10/99 3:51 with even more friends
ringrunner wrote in message <8bnfp3$leb$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>SNIP .....As I type this The Academy Awards is on TV. I used to look at
Then I read something that really pissed me off. It said that 4 hours
divides the marathon runners from the marathon survivors. And here is
me with the greatest athletic accomplishment of my live, a 4:48
Marathon. I was livid. How could any body say that I did not just do
the greatest thing that could be done? I finished a marathon.
Well, I turned that rage into a goal. (A goal so great, that I was once
referred to as Mike “sub 4 or else” Ring) I will break 4. In the
next 7 years I ran 12 marathons, I finished 7 of them, as for the other
5, they landed me in the medical tent or an ambulance. I went to speed
workouts. I ran so many long runs, that it became silly. I read
books. I learned how my body works. That all helped me a little.
So today I reported the following race result to the Prospect Park
Track Club. “On Sunday morning, March 26, 2000, Michael "sub 4 or else”
Ring achieved his goal of 8 years, a personal best, in finishing 4th in
his age group (under 50) and completed the Sri Chinmoy Marathon on
Randals Island in 3:58:04.” It can be noted that I never would have
done this without the support and encouragement of my wife, Stephanie
and the members Prospect Park Track Club.
As I type this The Academy Awards is on TV. I used to look at the
faces of the winners and say “Wow, wouldn’t that be neat”, now I can
say, “I know how they feel”.
Michael Ring
> “On Sunday morning, March 26, 2000, Michael "sub 4 or else”
>Ring achieved his goal of 8 years, a personal best, in finishing 4th in
>his age group (under 50) and completed the Sri Chinmoy Marathon on
>Randals Island in 3:58:04.” It can be noted that I never would have
>done this without the support and encouragement of my wife, Stephanie
>and the members Prospect Park Track Club.
Way to go, Mike. I'm glad your hard work paid off for you.
Soooooo, 3:45?? <g>
Mike Tennent
"IronPenguin"
Ironman Canada '98 16:17:03
Great Floridian '99, 17:13:38
- Steve
On Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:40:17 -0500, Mike Tennent <wbru...@gate.net>
wrote:
[...]
> books. I learned how my body works. That all helped me a little.
> So today I reported the following race result to the Prospect Park
> Track Club. ôOn Sunday morning, March 26, 2000, Michael "sub 4 or elseö
> Ring achieved his goal of 8 years, a personal best, in finishing 4th in
> his age group (under 50) and completed the Sri Chinmoy Marathon on
> Randals Island in 3:58:04.ö It can be noted that I never would have
> done this without the support and encouragement of my wife, Stephanie
> and the members Prospect Park Track Club.
Congratulations Mike !! What an experience that must have been after all the
hard work, all the attempts to FINALLY achieve your goal !
Thanks for posting, good luck and keep on running !
--
Christian Herboth
chri...@avalon.franken.de
ICQ # 52515902
>Did I miss something? Half the time this fellow runs a marathon he
>winds up in the medical tent or an ambulance. And you want to
>encourage him to run harder, faster??? What did I miss?
>
>- Steve
>
>
... that he finally figured out how to do it without ending up in the
med tent?
... that he achieved a significant (to him) goal despite limited
physical ability?
... that I was kidding?
1) Michael had a goal: complete the NYC marathon. He achieved this and
was very proud. So far, great. No one was cheering him louder than I
would have had I known. Then he let some jerk tell him he wasn't a
real runner, that his goal was trash. *And he bought it.* He let
someone else define who he was and what his goals should be. And he
spent 8 years of his life and some risk to his health chasing someone
else's goal. This is a fool's game that you can never win. There is
always some else to say, Oh no, your not a *real* man unless you
...., or your not a *real* runner unless you ...., etc, etc, etc.....
As Opus (of Bloom County) would say: PHFFFFTTT!!
2) [and this is MY situtation and does NOT necessarily apply to anyone
else) My wife has been very supportive of my marathon training. But
she has already once had an invalid husband and been a widow. I think
about the third time I wound up in the medical tent she would have
divorced me for being a selfish, inconsiderate jerk. And rightly so.
Again, this is MY case and does not define anyone else's.
Additional comments:
A] I didn't see any indication that "he finally figured out ...". If
so, great. But no pattern was mentioned.
B] [see 1) above]
C] I like to think that I have an above average sense of humor [insert
grin here], but I would not joke with an achoholic about taking
another drink......
- Steve
On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:24:55 -0500, Mike Tennent <wbru...@gate.net>
wrote:
>snm...@NOSPAMmindspring.com (Steve Mills) wrote:
>There are two things that bother me about this:
>
>1) Michael had a goal: complete the NYC marathon. He achieved this and
>was very proud. So far, great. No one was cheering him louder than I
>would have had I known. Then he let some jerk tell him he wasn't a
>real runner, that his goal was trash. *And he bought it.* He let
>someone else define who he was and what his goals should be. And he
>spent 8 years of his life and some risk to his health chasing someone
>else's goal.
Steve,
I guess we just interpreted the post differently.
I fully understand your point, and if it was the case that he "bought"
someone else's goal and did it for that reason, your argument is
valid. However, I'm not sure that was the case.
A 4 hour goal sounds very personal - it's not an exceptional time by
any stretch. If it was 3:30, I'd be more apt to buy into your
argument.
<snip>
>C] I like to think that I have an above average sense of humor [insert
>grin here], but I would not joke with an achoholic about taking
>another drink...
I'm very reluctant to call another person's enthusiasm an addiction.
Neither you or I know enough about the situation to say. He
considered it a goal worthy of sacrifice, so I'll just have to go with
that.
Goals you don't have to sacrifice for are rather easy to attain and
insignificant, like giving up liver for Lent. Goals that require
significant effort are far sweeter when attained. He sounded pretty
satisfied.
I also think Michael knew that day stuck in traffic it was at that
moment the right time to finish what he has tried at age 17.
I agree with another poster, Michael's story should be published. Such
perseverence and determination. Wonder which parent he got that gene
from.<smile>
Laurie" now 30 years later I just got struck to finish that knitting
project from HS"
:)
In article <14208-38...@storefull-611.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
I think it was a great ride
No regrets
Michael "Boston-in-this-lifetime" Ring