Running in the rain....
cox
We are training for LA in March...
We run in southern california where it is bearable to run all year long.
My question is...
We do have a rainy season... Does everybody run in the rain?
I suppose it can't hurt... but it is kind of daunting...
What say you?
Steve
Michel Bitz
L'air est si bon et la respiration tellement facile. C'est une bénédiction.
Tchô
Tania
tun...@redbrick.dcu.ie
Being from Ireland, I'd say shut up you don't KNOW what
rain is. :) Wrap up well, and then grin and bear it.
*TUT* Moaning about the weather in LA, whatever next.
> Steve
>
>
>
colm
:-)
--
Colm
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Bagpips
>Hello everybody...
>We are training for LA in March...
>
I honestly don't think much training is required to live in LA, just
bring pots of KY jelly if you're a man, and a strapon if you're a
woman.
Bagpips
Bagpips
>Being from Ireland, I'd say shut up you don't KNOW what
>rain is. :) Wrap up well, and then grin and bear it.
>
>*TUT* Moaning about the weather in LA, whatever next.
Aye, right you are cuzin Tunney. The lil' bitches here run threads
when they get a blister, so the weathers actually a step up.
Scotia Aye! From the confederation of clans, Clan Chattan.
Bagpips
wrote:
>Wrap up well?? Wimp!
>:-)
I bet he wears condoms too!
Donovan Rebbechi
If it's only light rain, it's actually quite pleasent.
Cheers,
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Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/
Jonathan Sydenham
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Bagpips
<syde...@mail.dk> wrote:
>KY jelly might help even if u r not from LA if applied to nipples
>j
Does that increase the sensetivity? Mine are like dead meat.
Doug Gilliam
I don't have rain gear yet although I will get some sooner or later. For the
next few months running in snow will be a much higher priority for me :-).
I can run in the rain so long as I don't get soaked too soon. If I'm doing
an hour and I'm not soaked until near the end it doesn't bother me that
much. But, if I'm doing an hour and I'm totally soaked within the first 15
minutes then I won't do it. I'll likely go home and do 60-80 sets of stairs
and chalk it up to a strength training day. When I get decent rain gear,
I'll run in heaver rain.
A mist or very light rain feels good to me and I actually like that even
better than no rain. Long term though for a runner I think we need to be
able to run in almost any type of conditions including heavy rain.
Maybe I'll get some rain gear for Christmas :-).
JMO
Doug Gilliam
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Dot
I think we need to be
> able to run in almost any type of conditions including heavy rain.
Right. The only weather-related reasons I think I've heard for *some*
races being cancelled are ice, lightening, and life-threatening things
like major floods and hurricanes. Some races will be held regardless,
esp. if the condition developed after the start of the race (like
lightening on Colorado mtn ridges - which is almost a given for the
ultras there; or rising waters as a result of rain during race). A large
portion of my first event was on ice.
I generally take advantage of differing conditions to test gear - and
whether it's needed or not.
Dot
--
"Success is different things to different people"
-Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope
frank-in-toronto
>Doug Gilliam wrote:
>I think we need to be
>> able to run in almost any type of conditions including heavy rain.
>
>Right. The only weather-related reasons I think I've heard for *some*
>races being cancelled are ice, lightening, and life-threatening things
>like major floods and hurricanes.
races are special, but doing a training run in the rain isn't for me.
i bet none of you wear glasses.
...thehick
Dot
No, but I'm sympathetic with the plight - and a reason why I would run
in the rain with glasses before an event - to see what types of issues
might pop up and how to solve them. My feet cramp when wet, so I run in
rain and through puddles to see if certain combinations of shoes/socks
work better than others.
Rain and fog on glasses from breath in cold air is one reason I had
switched to contacts when biking and xc skiing, but I don't use them
anymore - my distance vision has improved in recent years (after I
stopped wearing contacts constantly) and I'm not that fast when running.
(I use glasses for driving, computer, and reading.)
However, I have seriously thought about wearing some sort of eye
protection like goggles, esp. when the wind kicks up like it did
yesterday - blowing snow and grit at +5F can chew one's face and eyes. I
think I've heard of some ultra runners deliberately wearing glasses
rather than contacts for eye protection - branches poking in from side
of trail in the dark. Yellow tinted goggles or sun glasses (aviation or
skiing) really help depth perception around snow drifts on gray days
like today.
I'll also confess to possibly having a weird sense of what's fun :)
Len A.
Tomorrow here in New England, it is predicted a cold rain. I will "wrap
up well" before heading out.
And I will be "moaning" about it before I step outside, not till the
second mile will I not care, at which time my body heat will kick in.
"Whatever next"... here they only say...whatever.
Len
Maddox Family
you start to sweat, that goes away. many times, my favorite time to run.
MSM
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Doug Gilliam
The last race I ran was in one of the worst lightening storms I've ever
seen. We ran in the Myrtle Beach Marathon Relay in about '97 (not sure of
the year) and I ran the first 5 mile leg.
It was starting to rain as the race began and within a half a mile we were
running in a tremendous thunder/lightening storm. Huge booms with lightening
everywhere. At times we were running through 6" of water. If it hadn't been
a relay where I had 4 other people depending on me, I would definitely have
stopped but I continued on and so did almost everyone else.
The funny part for me was that I had bought new shoes that were about 4
ounces lighter than my training shoes just for this race because I wanted to
beat 7:30 pace for my leg and had told the other people on my team that I
would do so. Considering that my shoes and socks were totally soaked in less
than a mile, I'm sure they weighed a lot more than my normal training shoes
weighed so it kind of defeated the purpose for buying new shoes.
The good news is that I ran about 7:15 pace anyway so I beat my time goal
even with the heavy feet. It was the wildest running experience I've ever
had. I really felt like an idiot running down main street in Myrtle Beach in
an incredible thunder/lightening. I remember thinking this as I was running
:-).
Doug Gilliam
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Beasley
don't get many torential downpours. Just dress right, not too warm (as you
are in So. Cal), maybe a light waterproof windbreaker. The rain is great,
you'll learn to love it.
Tom
Dot
> Dot,
>
> The last race I ran was in one of the worst lightening storms I've ever
> seen. We ran in the Myrtle Beach Marathon Relay in about '97 (not sure of
> the year) and I ran the first 5 mile leg.
This is why I said "some" ;) At the time I posted, I had forgotten that
one marathon (mostly trails) up here had been cancelled because of
excessively deep snow and much colder temperatures than normal - maybe
1-2 ft when it usually has 0-3 in, for example. It had not been intended
to be a snowshoe race and there were probably issues trying to get
emergency and aid stations set up. Courses were rerouted last year
because of lack of snow and unfrozen rivers.
But, yea, in general the race must go on :)
Jane
a little in the rain (mostly warm rain for short distances - a not
unpleasant experience). For the half, it was both cold and fairly hard rain
for the entire race.
When I checked the weather before leaving for the race the rain was quite
light and it seemed warm so I opted for a t-shirt and shorts. By the time
I got to the race it was pretty cold (about 9 C) and raining hard and I was
miserable for the entire race. I assumed I would warm up but my legs felt
cold and heavy throughout. This was quite a novel experience for me since
previously the problem was more likely to be that I was too warm. Although
I would have been soaked in any case, I wonder if tights would have offered
any protection to my legs or once they were wet would I have been just as
cold? Any thoughts on this? Since this experience I have been avoiding
running in the rain.
Jane
joe smith
I live in Western Washington. If I didn't run in the rain I'd only be
able to run 5 months out of the year. Besides it builds character.
Just got to remember the little nipple bandaides. 10 miles of a wet
shirt can wreak havoc.
Dot
....Although
> I would have been soaked in any case, I wonder if tights would have offered
> any protection to my legs or once they were wet would I have been just as
> cold? Any thoughts on this? Since this experience I have been avoiding
> running in the rain.
>
If I were you, I'd run in the next rain and wear tights and see how they
work. Everybody is different as far as heat they generate, how readily
it gets to the legs, heat loss through the legs, comfort levels, etc. If
tights are synthetic, they shouldn't sap cold like wet cotton. But
there's still minimal insulation, which may or may not be an issue with
your body heat dynamics - it should help some, but maybe not as much as
you need.
My data points are that I loose a lot of heat through legs and my
muscles may not respond as they normally do, so *I* tend to like to be
sure my legs are warm. I've worn SportHills xc pants in about the same
conditions you describe (2+ hr duathlon so not as long, but legs more
exposed for 3/4 of it on the bike). I was glad I had them on. Others
raced in shorts. Some were cold and almost hypothermic by the end,
others were not.
Oh, I now have complete rain gear for longer runs and events in cold
rain (possibly barely above freezing), which I can expect. I run with a
camelbak for most things over 1 hr, so carrying lightweight gear isn't
an issue, and it's nice to have when ma nature wants to spice things up.
But that's me. YMMV. Good luck.
Donovan Rebbechi
> I ran my first half marathon recently (end of October). Previously I had run
> a little in the rain (mostly warm rain for short distances - a not
> unpleasant experience). For the half, it was both cold and fairly hard rain
> for the entire race.
>
> When I checked the weather before leaving for the race the rain was quite
> light and it seemed warm so I opted for a t-shirt and shorts. By the time
> I got to the race it was pretty cold (about 9 C) and raining hard and I was
9c is quite warm, but it will feel cold if you get very wet.
> miserable for the entire race. I assumed I would warm up but my legs felt
> cold and heavy throughout. This was quite a novel experience for me since
> previously the problem was more likely to be that I was too warm. Although
> I would have been soaked in any case,
A waterproof jacket goes a long way. Can't do much about the shoes though
(except to change into a dry pair as soon as the race is done!)
> I wonder if tights would have offered any protection to my legs or once they
> were wet
Absolutely. The tights will offer substantial protection from the wind (= less
risk of frostbite), and even when they're drenched, they do provide some
insulation.
If the rain is *really* heavy, you may want to wear waterproof pants,
especially if it's an everyday training run and not a race.
> would I have been just as cold? Any thoughts on this? Since this experience
> I have been avoiding running in the rain.
I think you should do exactly the opposite -- go out of your way to run in the
rain, and experiment a little. That way, you'll be better prepared next time
you have a race like this.
FUFF
you take advice from.
Donovan Rebbechi
> Be advised, this guy is a TREADMILL JOGGER, so be very careful whom
> you take advice from.
Exactly. Be careful who you take advice from. Better a treadmill jogger than
a troll, right ?
PS here's a "treadmill jogger" running 4 miles in just over 24 minutes.
http://www.greaternewyorkrt.org/2003/races/racetodeliver/pages/Donovan_jpg.htm
FUFF
<ab...@aol.com> wrote:
>Exactly. Be careful who you take advice from. Better a treadmill jogger than
>a troll, right ?
Nope.
>
>PS here's a "treadmill jogger" running 4 miles in just over 24 minutes.
>
>http://www.greaternewyorkrt.org/2003/races/racetodeliver/pages/Donovan_jpg.htm
Exceptions to the rule do nothing to further your case.
Donovan Rebbechi
> Jane wrote:
> ....Although
>> I would have been soaked in any case, I wonder if tights would have offered
>> any protection to my legs or once they were wet would I have been just as
>> cold? Any thoughts on this? Since this experience I have been avoiding
>> running in the rain.
>>
>
>
> If I were you, I'd run in the next rain and wear tights and see how they
> work. Everybody is different as far as heat they generate, how readily
> it gets to the legs, heat loss through the legs, comfort levels, etc. If
> tights are synthetic, they shouldn't sap cold like wet cotton. But
> there's still minimal insulation, which may or may not be an issue with
> your body heat dynamics - it should help some, but maybe not as much as
> you need.
I'd second this advice. I'd be surprised if tights were inadequate -- where
I live, we often have this sort of weather (almost freezing, with rain and
wind). It's true that they don't offer that much insulation, but your legs
can generate a lot of heat so you don't need that much -- you mostly need to
avoid exposed skin. But as you point out, there's a lot of individual
variation, and what works for me might not work for others. There are also
other variables -- whether it's a race or an easy training run (you generate
more heat if you run fast), whether or not you have to stand still for any
amount of time (you'll cool down pretty quickly if you stand still for long)
The only way to find out is through trial and error.
The one thing that really bugs me about this sort of weather is that if it's
wet on the ground, your feet get wet. Since I never worked out a completely
adequate solution, I can offer little advice on this (besides "get the hell
out of those wet shoes as soon as you're done!")
> My data points are that I loose a lot of heat through legs and my
> muscles may not respond as they normally do, so *I* tend to like to be
> sure my legs are warm. I've worn SportHills xc pants in about the same
> conditions you describe (2+ hr duathlon so not as long, but legs more
Not comparable IMO -- because of the extra airflow, you have more windchill on
the bike. For example, if you're expecting to ride at about 20mph, you need
several degrees colder. From what I recall about windchill (which according to
Glover's book was devised to make people more aware of the effect of wind on
the risk of frostbite), it would be very ill-advised to wear shorts on a bike
during a race in almost-freezing conditions.
Donovan Rebbechi
Either that or get a better shirt. Are you wearing cotton or something ? Not
at all appropriate for running in rain. Go with a good body-hugging synthetic
(like an Under Armour heat gear t-shirt) as a base layer and you shouldn't have
any problems with chafing.
Dot
> In article <0NOxb.124356$Ec1.5...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Dot wrote:
>
>>Jane wrote:
>>....Although
>>
>>>I would have been soaked in any case, I wonder if tights would have offered
>>>any protection to my legs or once they were wet would I have been just as
>>>cold? Any thoughts on this? Since this experience I have been avoiding
>>>running in the rain.
>>>
>>
>>
>>If I were you, I'd run in the next rain and wear tights and see how they
>>work. Everybody is different as far as heat they generate, how readily
>>it gets to the legs, heat loss through the legs, comfort levels, etc. If
>>tights are synthetic, they shouldn't sap cold like wet cotton. But
>>there's still minimal insulation, which may or may not be an issue with
>>your body heat dynamics - it should help some, but maybe not as much as
>>you need.
>
>
> I'd second this advice. I'd be surprised if tights were inadequate -- where
> I live, we often have this sort of weather (almost freezing, with rain and
> wind). It's true that they don't offer that much insulation, but your legs
> can generate a lot of heat so you don't need that much -- you mostly need to
> avoid exposed skin. But as you point out, there's a lot of individual
> variation, and what works for me might not work for others.
Right for the individual variation. I've found in cold rains, that thin
protection may keep you dry (thinking rain gear here), but as the water
runs off, it will still have a chilling effect. It's a matter of energy
balance for individuals.
For me, it's easier to wear the long pants (I've never seen anybody here
wear tights) than to try to pump enough heat from the core through the
pipes (legs, with high surface / volume compared to core) which are
generating and losing heat - and more reliable. For me, I've found I'm
comfortable running / racing in Sporthills at +50F (although usually
there's a breeze) although that's close to break point for me (clouds
ok, sun too warm). My legs may start feeling overly warm, but my muscles
/ tendons (esp. achilles) work much better that way than if I'm running
a little on the cool side - and reduces injury potential (for me). I've
also found if my legs/feet get cold shortly after starting out (like
snow drifts outside my front door today in 0F today), it may take
forever (30 min) to get them warmed up again.
There are also
> other variables -- whether it's a race or an easy training run (you generate
> more heat if you run fast), whether or not you have to stand still for any
> amount of time (you'll cool down pretty quickly if you stand still for long)
> The only way to find out is through trial and error.
Amen. I think that's something people overlook with their training,
thinking it's just a matter of building TOL and figuring out the food /
fluid issues. That's also when one figures out how to deal with weather
conditions. Will shoes work in mud? Is my rain gear breathable at these
temperatures? etc
>
> The one thing that really bugs me about this sort of weather is that if it's
> wet on the ground, your feet get wet. Since I never worked out a completely
> adequate solution, I can offer little advice on this (besides "get the hell
> out of those wet shoes as soon as you're done!")
I'm still working on that one also. So far I've just been using more
drainable shoes compared with my old ones - and better socks (thorlos vs
coolmax although I think some of my others will work also, just haven't
tested) ;) but I don't think I've had those conditions over an hour.
But this is why I run in the rain or whatever (as long as mud isn't too
slippery) - so I can work these things out before race day - potentially
12 hours of running in rain.
>
>
>>My data points are that I loose a lot of heat through legs and my
>>muscles may not respond as they normally do, so *I* tend to like to be
>>sure my legs are warm. I've worn SportHills xc pants in about the same
>>conditions you describe (2+ hr duathlon so not as long, but legs more
>
>
> Not comparable IMO -- because of the extra airflow, you have more windchill on
> the bike. For example, if you're expecting to ride at about 20mph, you need
> several degrees colder.
Actually, the windchill from the cycling motion, even without the bike
moving, is significant on the legs. And I'm not going anywhere near
20mph or even 10mph when biking uphill on a trail in the rain ;) -
running and biking about same speed on some hills. At the time I wrote
my post, I was thinking more along the lines of marathon and 4 hr, but I
obviously confused threads or something in my brain since OP referred to
half marathon. I was thinking 2 hr duathlon might have some semblance to
4 hr running. However, at the WMRT this year (probably high 30's, low
40's in very wet snow, most finished in < 1hr or so), the racers had
everything from shorts and singlets to long tops and bottoms, although
those with shorts had really red legs. One of the citizen race runners
wore a loin cloth and running shoes, apparently his usual garb at mtn
runs ;) To each his own.
From what I recall about windchill (which according to
> Glover's book was devised to make people more aware of the effect of wind on
> the risk of frostbite), it would be very ill-advised to wear shorts on a bike
> during a race in almost-freezing conditions.
+9C (the original conditions Jane described) is almost 50F and similar
to my duathlon. Many people were wearing shorts and t-shirts (some were
almost hypothermic by end). It's just us old fogies that were wearing
sporthills or equivalents. But yea, when you get near freezing, I think
everyone wears long pants of some sort on a bike - or starts out with
leg warmers and might take them off as day warms up. And when biking
near 0F, the layering gets really interesting.
Donovan Rebbechi
> On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 01:46:17 +0000 (UTC), Donovan Rebbechi
><ab...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Exactly. Be careful who you take advice from. Better a treadmill jogger than
>>a troll, right ?
>
> Nope.
You're a proven liar. That in itself makes your opinion worthless.
>>PS here's a "treadmill jogger" running 4 miles in just over 24 minutes.
>>
>>http://www.greaternewyorkrt.org/2003/races/racetodeliver/pages/Donovan_jpg.htm
>
> Exceptions to the rule do nothing to further your case.
Since "the rule" is not a rule, you're lying, as usual.
FF
<ab...@aol.com> wrote:
>You're a proven liar. That in itself makes your opinion worthless.
>
Proven by what and by whom? You are truly pathetic, just a little
troll-worm, and you try to tell others I am the troll. Truly golden.
BTW, did you jog on yer widdle treadmill today?
>>>PS here's a "treadmill jogger" running 4 miles in just over 24 minutes.
>>>
>>>http://www.greaternewyorkrt.org/2003/races/racetodeliver/pages/Donovan_jpg.htm
>>
>> Exceptions to the rule do nothing to further your case.
>
>Since "the rule" is not a rule, you're lying, as usual.
You can twist my words anyway you want too, you're still a moron.
Donovan Rebbechi
> On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 14:31:45 +0000 (UTC), Donovan Rebbechi
><ab...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>You're a proven liar. That in itself makes your opinion worthless.
>>
>
> Proven by what and by whom? You are truly pathetic, just a little
> troll-worm, and you try to tell others I am the troll. Truly golden.
Proven by me. You claimed I was a "treadmill jogger". This is not the way
one usually describes a competitive runner who regularly competes in local
races. I posted a photograph of myself running for a serious racing team.
I think this proves, beyond reasonable doubt that your description is woefully
misleading, which makes you a liar.
If that alone is insufficient, here is a list of races I competed in this
year:
Frostbite classic
Grid Iron Classic
Valentine's Twosome
Snowflake
Rabbit Run
Downtown Dash
Run to Liberty
Fifth Avenue Mile
AHA Wall Street Run
Poland Spring Classic
Race to Deliver
> BTW, did you jog on yer widdle treadmill today?
Don't use the treadmil all that often, total of 4 treadmill runs for November.
That makes my usage of the treadmill the exception, not the rule.
And that makes you a liar.
Not that it matters -- running on a treadmill is much more demanding than being
an anonymous usenet moron.
>>>>PS here's a "treadmill jogger" running 4 miles in just over 24 minutes.
>>>>
>>>>http://www.greaternewyorkrt.org/2003/races/racetodeliver/pages/Donovan_jpg.htm
>>>
>>> Exceptions to the rule do nothing to further your case.
>>
>>Since "the rule" is not a rule, you're lying, as usual.
>
> You can twist my words anyway you want too,
I don't have to twist your words to make you look like an idiot.
> you're still a moron.
You give morons a bad name.
Feene...@chunks.net
<ab...@aol.com> wrote:
>Proven by me.
The word of a liar is worthless.
>u claimed I was a "treadmill jogger". This is not the way
Again you're lieing.
>one usually describes a competitive runner who regularly competes in local
>races. I posted a photograph of myself running for a serious racing team.
>
No, you posted a pic of SOMEONE running, not you.
>I think this proves, beyond reasonable doubt that your description is woefully
>misleading, which makes you a liar.
>
We only have the word of a liar on that one.
>If that alone is insufficient, here is a list of races I competed in this
>year:
>
>Frostbite classic
>Grid Iron Classic
>Valentine's Twosome
>Snowflake
>Rabbit Run
>Downtown Dash
>Run to Liberty
>Fifth Avenue Mile
>AHA Wall Street Run
>Poland Spring Classic
>Race to Deliver
>
So says the word of a L-I-A-R. Posts from a liar are generally lies.
Just because some clown ran a few races, and you picked up on it, then
faked a few websites to backup your phony theorys. Sad, truly sad.
>
>Don't use the treadmil all that often, total of 4 treadmill runs for November.
>
Now try some REAL running.
Donovan Rebbechi
> On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 19:59:13 +0000 (UTC), Donovan Rebbechi
><ab...@aol.com> wrote:
>>Proven by me.
>>one usually describes a competitive runner who regularly competes in local
>>races. I posted a photograph of myself running for a serious racing team.
>
> No, you posted a pic of SOMEONE running, not you.
I'm enjoying watching you dig a deeper hole for yourself.
You can look cross-reference bib numbers and runner names on the NYRR website.
Be my guest. 2263 is my bib number and has been since the Snowflake race.
> So says the word of a L-I-A-R. Posts from a liar are generally lies.
> Just because some clown ran a few races, and you picked up on it, then
> faked a few websites to backup your phony theorys. Sad, truly sad.
If http://www.nyrrc.org is a "fake website", then do tell us, liar, what is the
website of the real New York Road Runners Club ? Or are you going to try to
argue that the New York Roadrunners club is a hoax ? Wouldn't it be easier to
just say "OK, you win, Mr. Realbitchy" -- or are you going to keep squirming on
the hook ?
>>Don't use the treadmil all that often, total of 4 treadmill runs for November.
>>
> Now try some REAL running.
154 miles this month, troll. 130 or so of those were outdoors. So, liar, which
is greater -- 130 or 24 ? Which one would you call "the rule" and which would
you call "the exception" ?
Bagpimp
<ab...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>I'm enjoying watching you dig a deeper hole for yourself.
>
By exposing your lies?
>You can look cross-reference bib numbers and runner names on the NYRR website.
>Be my guest. 2263 is my bib number and has been since the Snowflake race.
>
More phony websites, under assumed names. I'm curious, how did you
pick this guys name? Luck? Do your research first?
>> So says the word of a L-I-A-R. Posts from a liar are generally lies.
>> Just because some clown ran a few races, and you picked up on it, then
>> faked a few websites to backup your phony theorys. Sad, truly sad.
>
>If http://www.nyrrr.org a "fake website",
Yes it is. Another fake link, by a fake runner.
>hen do tell us, liar, what is the
>website of the real New York Road Runners Club ? Or are you going to try to
>argue that the New York Roadrunners club is a hoax ?
No, just the site you built, and the name your faking. I bet you're
really Roidger.
>154 miles this month, troll. 130 or so of those were outdoors.
So what, you moved your treadmill into your backyard. Who cares,
you're still treadmill jogging.
Donovan Rebbechi
> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 02:40:24 +0000 (UTC), Donovan Rebbechi
><ab...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>I'm enjoying watching you dig a deeper hole for yourself.
>>
>
> By exposing your lies?
>
>>You can look cross-reference bib numbers and runner names on the NYRR website.
>>Be my guest. 2263 is my bib number and has been since the Snowflake race.
>>
>
> More phony websites, under assumed names. I'm curious, how did you
> pick this guys name? Luck? Do your research first?
>
>>> So says the word of a L-I-A-R. Posts from a liar are generally lies.
>>> Just because some clown ran a few races, and you picked up on it, then
>>> faked a few websites to backup your phony theorys. Sad, truly sad.
>>
>>If http://www.nyrrr.org a "fake website",
I find your last gasps entertaining -- as you desperately try to salvage a
shred of dignity in the face of impossible odds. Do keep squirming, little
troll. I am amused.
Bagpimp
<ab...@aol.com> wrote:
>In article <g8tisv0v7t24tms4j...@4ax.com>, Bagpimp wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 02:40:24 +0000 (UTC), Donovan Rebbechi
>><ab...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I'm enjoying watching you dig a deeper hole for yourself.
It'd be the first of any kind of "hole" you've ever gotten. Hows it
feel to be a virgin (gay sex doesn't count) at your age?
BTW, you can accuse me of editing any posts you want, everyone saw
what you posted.
Treadmill jogger
Miss Anne Thrope
Rain hides tear drops.
Axel Estable
anyway, so it makes little difference. I usually have a faster pace when it
rains, as long as it's not cold. I doubt that in SoCal you'll get freezing
rain or even uncomfortable temperatures though... so don't worry about
getting wet, enjoy the constant hydration, and just make sure your shoes are
dry before your next run :)
Cheers
Axel
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