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John Hurley
May 13, 2012, 7:33:08 PM5/13/12
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Greetings wreck runners! Please tell us about your training week and
goals.
goals.
rms
May 13, 2012, 9:34:54 PM5/13/12
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On Sunday, May 13, 2012 5:33:08 PM UTC-6, John Hurley wrote:
> Greetings wreck runners! Please tell us about your training week and
> goals.
Quad Rock 25 5:26 http://gnarrunners.com/quad-rock-50/ Very enjoyable mountain running on a foggy, cool CO morning. The Vertical K shoes did a great job on the steep rocky descents, though I had to put in Superfeet Black insoles to protect my arches -- these shoes are extremely flexible. Only an ounce more even with insoles than the MT110, but with cushion, and heel strikes aren't painful. Jemez 50 next week, though I'm dreading the late-race nausea, it's going to be hot and dry.
> Greetings wreck runners! Please tell us about your training week and
> goals.
rms
C. Dimitrakakis
May 14, 2012, 8:09:35 AM5/14/12
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On Monday, May 14, 2012 1:33:08 AM UTC+2, John Hurley wrote:
> Greetings wreck runners! Please tell us about your training week and
> goals.
The plan for this week was to take it somewhat easy, to be fresh for
> Greetings wreck runners! Please tell us about your training week and
> goals.
the race on Saturday. However, my knee was a bit sore on Monday.
Better on Tuesdsay, when doing the intervals, after which the calf was
only slightly sore. However it became sore two days later. Grr. My knee was still not 100% on Saturday, even though I limited myself to light squats. Anyway, after 10 minutes warm-up, the race was OK, though I was a bit slow
as I did not want to push it. Today, I am feeling tired, but otherwise fine.
M 07/05 Squats: 15x60, 10x87.5, Chest: 3x5x65, Row: 3x5x87.5
T 08/05 10' + strides + 4x500m@95"-115"[2'] + 10'
W 09/05 Deadlifts: 3x15x87.5, Shoulder: 3x5x47.5, Pullups: 4x10
T 10/05 ----- Rest ------
F 11/05 Squats: 3x15x(65-75), Chest: 3x5x65, Back: 3x5x90
S 12/05 Vallorbe -> Dent de Vaullion: 8km/850m@75.
S 13/05 ---- Rest -------
Goals: Next week I guess I want to take a more extensive rest. Then, who knows?
C. Dimitrakakis
May 14, 2012, 8:58:41 AM5/14/12
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>
> Quad Rock 25 5:26 http://gnarrunners.com/quad-rock-50/ Very enjoyable mountain running on a foggy, cool CO morning. The Vertical K shoes did a great job on the steep rocky descents, though I had to put in Superfeet Black insoles to protect my arches
What happens to your arches?
> Quad Rock 25 5:26 http://gnarrunners.com/quad-rock-50/ Very enjoyable mountain running on a foggy, cool CO morning. The Vertical K shoes did a great job on the steep rocky descents, though I had to put in Superfeet Black insoles to protect my arches
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rms
May 14, 2012, 11:23:12 AM5/14/12
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A year or more ago, when becoming interested in minimal shoes, I couldn't jog in the MT101 shoes without plantar twinges, and superfeet 'green' and then the lower-volume 'blue' support insoles made them useable, until after a transition period I no longer needed them, and since have done nearly all my running in shoes with little or no arch support.
Unlike these previous shoes, which have fairly hard and stiff soles, some including rockplates, the Vertical K is very soft EVA, and the whole shoe is flexible. So that's why I installed insoles; perhaps I'll transition to not needing them with this shoe, and perhaps not. I do intend to start with them in the next trail race.
pithydoug
May 14, 2012, 5:52:53 PM5/14/12
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-D
rms
May 14, 2012, 7:41:05 PM5/14/12
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> You sure you want to use them in race? How about a long run(s) first.
Too late! The weekend race *was* the long run, and I had no foot issues, and enjoyed the cushioning and light weight. I'll certainly keep the arch support insoles in, though. I don't mean to push this particular model, trail shoes are just my gadget of choice, instead of phones or ipads.
rms
Too late! The weekend race *was* the long run, and I had no foot issues, and enjoyed the cushioning and light weight. I'll certainly keep the arch support insoles in, though. I don't mean to push this particular model, trail shoes are just my gadget of choice, instead of phones or ipads.
rms
Tim Downie
May 15, 2012, 5:48:55 AM5/15/12
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John Hurley wrote:
> Greetings wreck runners! Please tell us about your training week and
> goals.
Mon DNR
> Greetings wreck runners! Please tell us about your training week and
> goals.
Tues 8 miles hilly trail
Wed DNR
Thur DNR
Fri DNR
Sat. Day 1 of the Scottsih Ultra. 42.75 miles 8:50:47
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/178165805
Sun Day 2 of the Scottish Ultra 32.16 miles 6:57:34
http://connect.garmin.com/activity/178165767
Well that was a fun weekend. First time I've attempted back-to-back ultra
racing and on the whole very pleased with how it went. It was a *very*
small field (14 on day one, 6 of whom were just doing the single day and 8
remaining on day two who were doing both days) but I had a fun run on the
Saturday pulling myself up in to third position out of the 14 (and 2nd out
of the folk in for both days)
On Sunday morning after camping overnight I awoke with my legs feeling good
despite not feeling like I'd "spared the horses" on the Saturday and had
virtually no stiffness to speak of. Because of impending poor weather the
second day course was shortened to 32 miles which I think was a right (and
popular decision). It was an out and back route and we were fighting into a
very strong headwind on the way back for much of the run but I still felt
strong at the finish where I held my position as second finisher.
I has to be said that the there was a pretty yawning "quality gap" in the
field of the runners, On day one I was narrowly beaten by 2 hours and 2
minute and about an 1 and a half on the second day which gives a better
perspective on my performance. I was just the fastest "plodder" on the day.
;-)
Now I get to relax at last, at least until this coming Saturday when I have
a hilly 55 mile ultra to look forward to. ;-) So far, apart for a niggle in
one foot, things seem to be holding together well. I probably won't run at
all this week but will do some cycling.
Tim
pithydoug
May 15, 2012, 6:35:10 AM5/15/12
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On May 15, 5:48 am, "Tim Downie" <timdownie2...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> John Hurley wrote:
> > Greetings wreck runners! Please tell us about your training week and
> > goals.
>
> Mon DNR
>
> Tues 8 miles hilly trail
>
> Wed DNR
>
> Thur DNR
>
> Fri DNR
>
> Sat. Day 1 of the Scottsih Ultra. 42.75 miles 8:50:47http://connect.garmin.com/activity/178165805
> John Hurley wrote:
> > Greetings wreck runners! Please tell us about your training week and
> > goals.
>
> Mon DNR
>
> Tues 8 miles hilly trail
>
> Wed DNR
>
> Thur DNR
>
> Fri DNR
>
>
> Sun Day 2 of the Scottish Ultra 32.16 miles 6:57:34http://connect.garmin.com/activity/178165767
>
> Well that was a fun weekend. First time I've attempted back-to-back ultra
> racing and on the whole very pleased with how it went. It was a *very*
> small field (14 on day one, 6 of whom were just doing the single day and 8
> remaining on day two who were doing both days) but I had a fun run on the
> Saturday pulling myself up in to third position out of the 14 (and 2nd out
> of the folk in for both days)
>
> On Sunday morning after camping overnight I awoke with my legs feeling good
> despite not feeling like I'd "spared the horses" on the Saturday and had
> virtually no stiffness to speak of. Because of impending poor weather the
> second day course was shortened to 32 miles which I think was a right (and
> popular decision). It was an out and back route and we were fighting into a
> very strong headwind on the way back for much of the run but I still felt
> strong at the finish where I held my position as second finisher.
>
> I has to be said that the there was a pretty yawning "quality gap" in the
> field of the runners, On day one I was narrowly beaten by 2 hours and 2
> minute and about an 1 and a half on the second day which gives a better
> perspective on my performance. I was just the fastest "plodder" on the day.
> ;-)
>
> Now I get to relax at last, at least until this coming Saturday when I have
> a hilly 55 mile ultra to look forward to. ;-) So far, apart for a niggle in
> one foot, things seem to be holding together well. I probably won't run at
> all this week but will do some cycling.
Think back to West Highland which was a close to a 100 miles in a
> Well that was a fun weekend. First time I've attempted back-to-back ultra
> racing and on the whole very pleased with how it went. It was a *very*
> small field (14 on day one, 6 of whom were just doing the single day and 8
> remaining on day two who were doing both days) but I had a fun run on the
> Saturday pulling myself up in to third position out of the 14 (and 2nd out
> of the folk in for both days)
>
> On Sunday morning after camping overnight I awoke with my legs feeling good
> despite not feeling like I'd "spared the horses" on the Saturday and had
> virtually no stiffness to speak of. Because of impending poor weather the
> second day course was shortened to 32 miles which I think was a right (and
> popular decision). It was an out and back route and we were fighting into a
> very strong headwind on the way back for much of the run but I still felt
> strong at the finish where I held my position as second finisher.
>
> I has to be said that the there was a pretty yawning "quality gap" in the
> field of the runners, On day one I was narrowly beaten by 2 hours and 2
> minute and about an 1 and a half on the second day which gives a better
> perspective on my performance. I was just the fastest "plodder" on the day.
> ;-)
>
> Now I get to relax at last, at least until this coming Saturday when I have
> a hilly 55 mile ultra to look forward to. ;-) So far, apart for a niggle in
> one foot, things seem to be holding together well. I probably won't run at
> all this week but will do some cycling.
single effort vs doing 75 miles in two days with a rest between - how
do they differ/compare in effort? I have never tried to do two
significant efforts back to back. I have done 35/15 as B2B in training
but that's a way shorter than your trek. My instincts tell me if one
trained for 100, then doing this kind of effort would be less
intimidating. I keep thinking about the quasi rest period as helpful
or not.
-D
Tim
May 15, 2012, 8:26:24 AM5/15/12
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actually is), the biggest problem with doing a single long event is
fuelling. You can afford not to get it quite right in two shorter runs
when you have the opportunity to gorge yourself silly after the first day's
run.
I've often wondered about doing a multi-day ultra like the Marathon des
Sable (or similar) and I chose this race just to get a feel for what it
might be like. To be honest, I think I could cope with the running, it's
the camping for a week I'm less sure about! ;-)
Tim
Tony S
May 15, 2012, 9:23:24 AM5/15/12
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It was rainy and very humid early in the week, and still felt a little
steamy but nicer later in the week. All run-hikes this week except for
Sunday. This week I still had a slight hangover from the 4:29 long run
April 30th, but by Saturday I felt pretty good. Now I have an easy week
with nothing long upcoming, then a mini-taper week before running 50k on
May 27th.
Rtime Rclimb Ltime Lclimb Htime Hclimb OnFeet
6:44 2160 2:11 900 6:12 2830 12:56
Date Type Time Fclimb 1-10 (HR)
7-May run 1:45 600 3 stony brook
7-May hike 0:35 400 3 stony brook
8-May run 0:37 40 3 stony brook
8-May hike 1:01 560 2 stony brook
9-May run 1:07 480 4 ram park
9-May hike 0:43 400 3 ram park
10-May run 0:37 100 1 stony brook
10-May hike 1:03 550 2 stony brook
11-May run 0:27 40 2 mohonk
11-May hike 0:55 280 2 mohonk
12-May run 2:11 900 4 148 stony brook
12-May hike 0:55 300 3 124 stony brook
13-May hike 1:00 340 1.5 ram park
--
http://tonyoutthere.blogspot.com/
steamy but nicer later in the week. All run-hikes this week except for
Sunday. This week I still had a slight hangover from the 4:29 long run
April 30th, but by Saturday I felt pretty good. Now I have an easy week
with nothing long upcoming, then a mini-taper week before running 50k on
May 27th.
Rtime Rclimb Ltime Lclimb Htime Hclimb OnFeet
6:44 2160 2:11 900 6:12 2830 12:56
Date Type Time Fclimb 1-10 (HR)
7-May run 1:45 600 3 stony brook
7-May hike 0:35 400 3 stony brook
8-May run 0:37 40 3 stony brook
8-May hike 1:01 560 2 stony brook
9-May run 1:07 480 4 ram park
9-May hike 0:43 400 3 ram park
10-May run 0:37 100 1 stony brook
10-May hike 1:03 550 2 stony brook
11-May run 0:27 40 2 mohonk
11-May hike 0:55 280 2 mohonk
12-May run 2:11 900 4 148 stony brook
12-May hike 0:55 300 3 124 stony brook
13-May hike 1:00 340 1.5 ram park
--
http://tonyoutthere.blogspot.com/
C. Dimitrakakis
May 15, 2012, 10:43:24 AM5/15/12
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>
> A year or more ago, when becoming interested in minimal shoes, I couldn't jog in the MT101 shoes without plantar twinges, and superfeet 'green' and then the lower-volume 'blue' support insoles made them useable, until after a transition period I no longer needed them, and since have done nearly all my running in shoes with little or no arch support.
I've had a short spell of plantar fasciitis this year, but I was not sure how it came about. I now recall that I was wearing some soft EVA pumas at the time. On the other hand, running barefoot or with stiff, but flexible minimalist shoes, I never had problems. So it could be that the soft EVA in particular does something strange.
> A year or more ago, when becoming interested in minimal shoes, I couldn't jog in the MT101 shoes without plantar twinges, and superfeet 'green' and then the lower-volume 'blue' support insoles made them useable, until after a transition period I no longer needed them, and since have done nearly all my running in shoes with little or no arch support.
pithydoug
May 15, 2012, 3:54:14 PM5/15/12
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On May 15, 8:26 am, Tim <timdownie2...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Good point!!!
>
> I've often wondered about doing a multi-day ultra like the Marathon des
> Sable (or similar) and I chose this race just to get a feel for what it
> might be like. To be honest, I think I could cope with the running, it's
> the camping for a week I'm less sure about! ;-)
I'm not a big camper. Of 80 ultras I have camped only once and that
was last year. I'm real partial to a mattress, lean sheets pillow, and
running water(hot and cold). :) My solo camping effort was fun as i
was in a tent for three sleeping on a 6 inch air mattress and no sign
of rain. The one ugly was no running water. We had to clean up in a
pond. I did have my van for backup sleeping.
Good luck next week... At this rate you can come to NY(USA) and do
the Sri Shinmoy Self-Transcendence 3100 Mile Race. You can sleep when
you want but need to cover 2 marathons a day for 50 days to make the
cutoff. You may need to save your vacation days. And it's on a 1/2
mile city block in Queens in June. :)
-Doug
>
> I've often wondered about doing a multi-day ultra like the Marathon des
> Sable (or similar) and I chose this race just to get a feel for what it
> might be like. To be honest, I think I could cope with the running, it's
> the camping for a week I'm less sure about! ;-)
was last year. I'm real partial to a mattress, lean sheets pillow, and
running water(hot and cold). :) My solo camping effort was fun as i
was in a tent for three sleeping on a 6 inch air mattress and no sign
of rain. The one ugly was no running water. We had to clean up in a
pond. I did have my van for backup sleeping.
Good luck next week... At this rate you can come to NY(USA) and do
the Sri Shinmoy Self-Transcendence 3100 Mile Race. You can sleep when
you want but need to cover 2 marathons a day for 50 days to make the
cutoff. You may need to save your vacation days. And it's on a 1/2
mile city block in Queens in June. :)
-Doug
John Hurley
May 15, 2012, 10:29:15 PM5/15/12
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Doug:
# At this rate you can come to NY(USA) and do the Sri Shinmoy Self-
although I have no idea who or what Sri Shinmoy is/was ...
# At this rate you can come to NY(USA) and do the Sri Shinmoy Self-
Transcendence 3100 Mile Race. You can sleep when you want but need to
cover 2 marathons a day for 50 days to make the cutoff. You may need
to save your vacation days. And it's on a 1/2 mile city block in
Queens in June. :)
... Somehow I get a bad feeling you are not kidding about this event
cover 2 marathons a day for 50 days to make the cutoff. You may need
to save your vacation days. And it's on a 1/2 mile city block in
Queens in June. :)
although I have no idea who or what Sri Shinmoy is/was ...
Tony S
May 15, 2012, 10:50:58 PM5/15/12
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They have a marathon in my old back yard:
http://us.srichinmoyraces.org/events/marathon-rockland
The only August time frame works against that being a perfect PR course
-- pancake flat around a scenic lake on asphalt.
Chinmoy was some kind of yoga guru. I happened to be passing by one year
when they were having the marathon, and sure enough, most all of the
people there looked blissed-out.
--
http://tonyoutthere.blogspot.com/
pithydoug
May 15, 2012, 11:31:41 PM5/15/12
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He remarked similarly, that even standing at the start the majority
appeared to have a 200 mile stare. Or in your term, blisssed-out. ;)
-D
Tony S
May 16, 2012, 9:57:09 AM5/16/12
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half your brain after you drink it!
--
http://tonyoutthere.blogspot.com/
Tim Downie
May 16, 2012, 11:38:34 AM5/16/12
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pithydoug wrote:
>
> Good luck next week...
Thanks.
> At this rate you can come to NY(USA) and do
> the Sri Shinmoy Self-Transcendence 3100 Mile Race. You can sleep when
> you want but need to cover 2 marathons a day for 50 days to make the
> cutoff. You may need to save your vacation days. And it's on a 1/2
> mile city block in Queens in June. :)
That's a bit crazy even for me. ;-) I have signed up for this which is the
sort of event I thought I would *never* do so I suppose never say never.
http://glenmore24.com/race-info
Tim
>
> Good luck next week...
Thanks.
> At this rate you can come to NY(USA) and do
> the Sri Shinmoy Self-Transcendence 3100 Mile Race. You can sleep when
> you want but need to cover 2 marathons a day for 50 days to make the
> cutoff. You may need to save your vacation days. And it's on a 1/2
> mile city block in Queens in June. :)
sort of event I thought I would *never* do so I suppose never say never.
http://glenmore24.com/race-info
Tim
pithydoug
May 16, 2012, 11:52:38 PM5/16/12
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tempted me. I like the idea of a 4 mile loop to get away from the
gerbil effect. These events this side of the pond are a mile or
less(and many on a 1/4 mile track) with lights, movies and dancing
girls. Most runners do some sort of run/walk proportion especially
when the course is flat.
Again good luck. It's another challenge.
-D
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