Robb Alvey & Elissa White - ANNOYING!!!
TeenJock16
industry revolves around them. Personally, I find their videos to be nothing
short of a show off! They need to spend more time filming rides, verses
filming each other, fondling one another etc, nobody here cares to see you're
personal life in a theme park folks! WE DONT CARE!
And their gay friends they have on their videos only make it worse. I mean I
have nothing against gay people, my brother is gay and I am totally cool with
it. I just have problems with guys who insist on acting like big girls! It's
really discouraging!
Rob, isn't Elissa just a tad bit young for you??? I would guess you are way
over 30, while Elissa is at the most in her early 20's. If I am wrong, nature
hasn't been kind to you, that is for sure.
All I gotta say is I'm glad I dont live in CA, if I had to run into you guys at
the parks all the time I think I would either stop going all together or move
to the east coast.
Steve Ball
"TeenJock16" <teenj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Easy one - what a grade A PLONKER
Go away sad act
Steve
Richard Davis
news:20030218100328...@mb-ba.aol.com...
It is very EASY to hide behind anonymity.
If you have something to say about someone at least have the guts to sign it
with your real name.
Grade A MUPPET...
Richard
Sam Marks
No, but anonymous posts insulting people are!
>They need to spend more time filming rides, verses
>filming each other
Gosh! then they wouldn't be Elissa & Robb's HOME MOVIES!
>And their gay friends they have on their videos only make it worse.
Oh, lets not just insult the people who make the video, lets insult the people
in it too!!! You need another beer dude!
>Rob, isn't Elissa just a tad bit young for you???
and then comes the jealousy part tee hee, too bad your only sexual encounters
are under the sheets, alone with a flashlight.......
backing up a bit
> I just have problems with guys who insist on acting like big girls! It's
>really discouraging!
that sentence would imply that you're discouraged about your OWN GAY ACT....
My goodness, why not just come out of the closet, and be yourself....
But then again does the world need ANOTHER bitchy self absorbed DRAMA QUEEN?
George Burnash
that for you to have a clue what you're talking about, you must have
sat and watched the videos, and for you to post it here, then you
obviously do care! Duh
And since they've made it obvious that this is their PERSONAL videos
that they've offered to anyone who might be interested in seeing what
they did and enjoyed on their trips...
In other words, grow up and go away troll.
On 18 Feb 2003 15:03:28 GMT, teenj...@aol.com (TeenJock16) was
inspired to write:
~ George
______________________________________
Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down.
But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on.
You can find my almost correct coaster count here:
http://www.thrillnetwork.com/boards/member.php?action=getinfo&userid=103#speedzone
Now if only we had a database that actually listed the traveling coasters so I wouldn't have to fudge on it :)
TeenJock16
videos. I thought I was buying videos on RIDES, not to watch some show off
couple run their mouths all day.
TeenJock16
And like my name will really tell you anything, are you going to find my home
address by my name?
OK, it's Grant, come get me baby!!!
TeenJock16
said, my issue isn't with gay people who are gay, it's gay people who act like
big girls. From some of the websites I have seen online with you'r photos on
them, I can see you fit in that section quite well. Just because you are gay,
doesn't mean everyone else is, stop trying to turn yourself on so much, dont
you have a black lover? Maybe that is why you are always defending Six Flags
America, for obvious reasons. I know my bud evil will be up in here shortly
lol.
And for the record! I have seen MANY people on this board talk in a negative
way about Rob and Ellisa, I'm not the first and certainly not the last.
TeenJock16
private lives of a girl who thinks she is all dat, and a guy who is way over
his age limit. Well, at least we never paid for the videos LMAO. I sent them
back. Not worth my 20 bucks.
Richard Davis
I didn't ask for your name so I could come to your home. I live in the UK
for a start - even if you did it simply wouldn't be worth the effort.
If you don't like the vids send them back and shut up. No need to post here
in that manner. It is clear for all to see both on here and their site that
the videos are of their trips and not proffesional theme park videos. Any
sensible person would have downloaded a segment from their site to get a
general flavour of them first.
Personal attacks are uncalled for. End of story. I get the impression you
need to grow up a little. I suggest you go away and do that before posting
here again.
Richard
Steve Ball
Come on the dick breath - pop up and tell us where u are. If you're in the
UK, face a good swift kicking boyyyy
Sam Marks
ok to stay on your level.....
I'm rubber you're glue, bounces off me, and sticks to you.
Sam Marks
>way about Rob and Ellisa, I'm not the first and certainly not the last.
well at least they don't have to drag their grandmother to the park so they
aren't ALONE
Andrew Hartman
mind wouldnt go and post something as stupid as this to a newsgroup! Do you not
understand what "Home Movies" means? If you wanted just the coasters you coulda
bought the "Coaster FOOTAGE videos" plain as day, FOOTAGE compared to HOME
MOVIES...pretty obvious. In fact they made those footage ideos for those that
didnt wanna see their "home movies". Myself, I like these "Home Movies" cause
it shows more of the fun stuff that goes on at parks besides just showing the
damn rides. BTW, there are MANY OTHER videos you couldve bought besides
Robbs....but Im gonna stop now cause this seems very "trollriffic" and I dont
wanna waste my time.
Andrew Hartman
AndHa...@aol.com
S:ROS @ SFNE & Legend @ HW
Rides dont get any better than this!!
Other notables: MF, Nitro, Boss, S:ROS @ SFDL
Track Record: 270
Remove the phrase "Xtreme" to respond
Robb Alvey
Interesting...we've never received an order from you! Even more interesting
that we haven't received any videos back! And if we had received an order from
you....it seems that you can't read, being that we're pretty specific on how we
describe the videos on the website. The videos you wanted were the 'coaster
footage' videos. Obviously you don't like to watch people having fun!
We tell people all the time, if these videos aren't your thing, please DO send
them back! We don't want people to pay for something they don't like!
Just for the record, here is the disclaimer on the video page:
"* Disclaimer: These videos are not your typical coaster video that you see on
Discovery channel or can get through Amazon.com. These are basically our 'home
movies' that we make for family and friends. They include lots of park,
coaster, and ride footage, and they also include some funny moments shared by
family and friends who spent time with us during the season. Originally, these
videos were meant for distribution to family and friends, but were so well
received by the coaster community (See below), that we made them available at
cost to anyone who just wants to have a fun, good time watching roller coaster
videos! =) Our "Season videos" show off parks, coasters, thrill rides, dark
rides, enthusiast events, people, fun and are guaranteed to be a good time!
The "Footage Videos" include complete onride, POV and offride shots of
coasters, no people, and are meant as a "reference" guide for coasters. Please
download our sample segments by clicking here, and remember, you don't have
to pay in advance, and you can return the videos with no hassle. Thanks for
your support!"
And as for you having issues with the relationship that Elissa and I
have...well, that's just too damn bad! =) Suck it up, pal! We don't live our
life by your approval!
And people say negative things about us here? Of course! I say negative
things about people here too! The world didn't evolve for everyone to like
everyone else! That would only happen in a 'perfect world' and you've seen the
playpus, so obviously it isn't! =)
Order the videos...if you don't like them...send them back. We can't make it
any easier than that!
--Robb "Why do I even bother responding to this crap!!" Alvey
Oh yeah......
Robb Alvey's Coaster Season and Coaster Footage 2002 are now available!
http://www.themeparkreview.com/coastervideos.htm
Robb Alvey
>playpus, so obviously it isn't! =)
Oops! And I didn't mean to insult the platypus further by spelling his name
wrong!
--Robb "Dogma rules!" Alvey
TeenJock16
TeenJock16
dont find you attractive now LMAO BTW, this is Grants brother Sean. And trust
me, I have PLEANTY of people coming to the parks with me if ya get my drift:)
TeenJock16
TeenJock16
Robb Alvey
Well, I have no order from anyone named Grant that hasn't paid for videos, and
after the IM conversation I had with you...yeah, you're a troll, and a pretty
pathetic one at that! =)
--Robb "Trolls need to die" Alvey
Marcus Sheen [UK]
> moron!
What, he just completely showed you up because:
1) You can't read a CLEAR disclaimer about what the video is like
2) You didn't even buy the video
3) You can't even grasp the concept that you could return it for a refund
4) You're an angst-ridden kid, jealous of his girlfriend
5) You are an attention seeking idiot. Nobody has respect for you here. Many
people have repect for Robb.
6) You are so thick you can't even come up with a proper argument other than
calling people morons. Touché
Okay, lets guess the age of "TeenJock16" - I'd say 16 is wishfull thinking.
12, at most. If not, act your age.
Regards,
Marcus
¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸ COASTER KINGDOM ¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤
http://www.ukrollercoasters.co.uk
HELP SAVE DREAMLAND MARGATE
http://www.joylandbooks.com/scenicrailway/
TeenJock16
troll!:) I am a sweet looking 16 year old boy who has the world at his finger
tips!:) And my brother doesnt think you are very attractive
either...lol...well I will leave that for him to decide, personally I dont find
you're girlfriend all that myself, please FEED her!
So you said you have made some adult videos? LMAO Why dont you put those up
for sale? I bet they would be more interesting then you're park videos.
Justin Adams
Who the fuck are you to come on here and start ragging on someone you
don't even know?!? Back the fuck off boy, back the fuck off. Check
yourself first before you go and start some shit. What gives? Have
Robb and Elissa done anything to you? Even if they had, this isn't
the forum for attacks and libel like you just conveyed here. Who the
FUCK do you think you are? God I'm fucking sick of people like you,
what Robb and Elissa do is none of your concern!! Why do you feel the
need to make it your concern? I know why, because you feel
insignificant yourself and have to start shit with other people to
make yourself feel big. Give it a rest.
Justin
P.S.
Yes, thank god you don't live in California! One less ASSHOLE to deal
with...
George Burnash
those of us who replied to his idiocy. Must really be desparate for
attention if he's working this hard to entertain himself by struggling
so hard to fan a flame war.
Poor sap. Must really suck to not have a life, as you obviously don't.
In any case, methinks it's time to stop feeding this overly hungry
troll.
Surf Dance Chris
I wouldn't have to fudge on it :) >>
AMERICAN BEAUTY SHOWS (Pride Turpin)
*Zyklon (formerly at Branson, USA)
AMUSEMENTS OF AMERICA (New Jersey, USA)
*Looping Star Rudic (Pinfari ZL-42 Looping Star)--[sold to Beech Bend Park in
KY]
*Avalanche (Pinfari Zyklon-used to be Holiday World Blitzen, then Firecracker)
*Orient Express (Wisdom)
*Dragon Wagon
*Crazy Mouse (Reverchon)
AMUSEMENTS OF BUFFALO (Buffalo, New York, USA)
*Dragon Wagon
BILL HAMES SHOWS (Fort Worth, Texas, USA)
*Orient Express (Wisdom)
BUTCH & JAKE VAN HULL
*Zyklon (Pinfari)
BUTLER SHOWS
*Wacky Worm (2002)
COLEMAN BROTHERS SHOWS (Middletown, New York, USA)
*Dragon Wagon
CONKLIN SHOWS (Canada)
*Doppel Looping (Schwarzkopf)
*Dragon
*Mark 1 (SDC Galaxi)
*Wacky Worm
*Dragon Wagon
*Wildcat (Schwarzkopf)
CUMBERLAND VALLEY SHOWS (USA)
*Zyklon (Pinfari)
*Orient Express (Wisdom)
D&B SHOWS (IA)
*Schiff coaster
DAVIS ENTERPRISES/HELMS AND SONS
*Dragon Wagon
*Crazy Mouse (Reverchon)
DELUXE SHOWS (Connecticut, USA)
*Schiff coaster
DREW EXPOSITIONS (Augusta, Georgia, USA)
*Orient Express (Wisdom)
*Wacky Worm (Pinfari)
EMERLAND COAST SHOWS (Florida, USA)
*kiddie coaster
FIESTA SHOWS
*Grand Prix (Flitzer, new for 2001)
FUN CITY SHOWS (Buffalo, New York, USA):
*Go Gator
HAMMERL AMUSEMENTS (Buffalo, New York, USA)
*King Kiddie Coaster
HAPPY H AMUSEMENTS (Ohio, USA?)
*Shooting Star (Schiff kiddie coaster)
HAWKINS AMUSEMENT RIDES (Rome, New York, USA):
*Go Gator
LAWRENCE CARR EXPOSITION (NY?)
*Dragon Wagon (Wisdom)
*Go-Gator (motorized kiddie)
LONE STAR CARNIVALS ?????
*Wacky Worm ????
*???? (Wild Mouse type coaster?) ???
*???? (Kiddie wild mouse coaster?) ???
MAC'S CARNIVAL AND ATTRACTIONS (SD)
*Schiff coaster
McCULLOUGH FAMILY - books in with Strates at Hamburg, NY & Syracuse, NY
*Dragon Wagon
MIGHTY BLUE GRASS SHOWS
*Orient Express
MILES OF SMILES (Bob McKnight)
*Wacky Worm (Fajume)
*Wacky Worm
MILLER MIDWAY ENTERTAINMENT - booked on with Strates
*Wild Mouse (Mauer Sohne)
MURPHY BROTHERS EXPOSITION
*Galaxy
NEVIN'S AMUSEMENTS (New York, USA)
*Schiff coaster
PLAYLAND AMUSEMENTS (Auburn, New York, USA)
*Go Gator
POWERS GREAT AMERICAN MIDWAYS (Burgaw, North Carolina, USA)
*Orient Express
RAY CAMMACK SHOWS
*Looping Star (Pinfari ZL-42 Looping Star)
*Wild Mouse
*Hi-Miler (Miler Coaster Corporation)
*Wilde Maus (Maurer-Sohne Mouse)
*Little Dipper (WMI Kiddie Coaster)
*Crazy Mouse (Reverchon Spinning Mouse)
REITHOFFER SHOWS (Florida, USA)
*Flitzer (Schwarzkopf Flizter)
*Racing (Schwarzkopf Flitzer)
*Orient Express (Wisdom)
*Dragon Wagon (kiddie)
SILVER DOLLAR SHOWS (East Moriches, New York, USA)
*American Flyer (Schiff)
*Mite Mouse -formerly "Nascar Racing" (Hershell Mad Mouse)
*Monster Mouse -fromerly "Racing Today!" (Herschell) ****never used
*Dragon Wagon (Wisdom)
STRATES SHOWS (Orlando, Florida, USA)
*Wacky Worm
*Go Gator (Wisdom)
TENT AMUSEMENTS (Ontario, Canada)
*Miler coaster
TIM MAGID aka CAROL STREAM AMUSEMENTS (Orlando, Florida, USA)-travel with
Strates
*Zyklon (Pinfari)
*Orient Express
WADE SHOWS
*Zyklon (Pinfari)
*Wacky Worm
*Dragon Wagon (Wisdom)
*Orient Express
*Crazy Mouse (Reverchon Spinning Mouse)
Co-Ownership:
WEST COAST SHOWS/BOBBY HAUSER and BUTLER SHOWS
*Zillerator (formerly at Playland, Vancouver)
"Surf Dance" Chris,
who will ride the Flip "N" Out before any coaster!
http://members.aol.com/surfdancec
#1 Mondial fan- Super Nova, Top Scan, and Shake
"Roads? Where we're going we don't need roads!"
George Burnash
any of the other sites to plug it into their counting programs? I've
got my personal count on an Excel spreadsheet updated just fine, but
it doesn't exactly apply as an "online viewable list", hence the
disclaimer.
On 18 Feb 2003 22:10:26 GMT, surfd...@aol.com (Surf Dance Chris) was
inspired to write:
~ George
______________________________________
Sometimes it's up. Sometimes it's down.
But with God, life is one thrill ride that you'll never regret being on.
You can find my almost correct coaster count here:
http://www.thrillnetwork.com/boards/member.php?action=getinfo&userid=103#speedzone
Now if only we had a database that actually listed the traveling coasters so I wouldn't have to fudge on it :)
Ken Rutherford
up
for sale? I bet they would be more interesting then you're park videos.
I'm sorry to butt in here, but why are you being so hostile towards Robb &
Elissa? What did they do to deserve this? Just curious. I do not know them
personally but I do enjoy the heck out of his downloadable videos. Robb is
quite talented. In fact, he has inspired me to start editing my tons of footage
onto DVD and VHS. I really think you are being a little harsh. But, I guess
when you are 16 and have no life, this is what you resort to.........
Ken
Vortex 29
I don't have an opinion on Robb or Elissa,
and I have already been killfiled by most everyone on this group for my
opinions.
So------ LOL
Mike
Corey
>either...lol...well I will leave that for him to decide, personally I dont
>find
>you're girlfriend all that myself, please FEED her!
Whoa. Calm down. Why are you bashing them like this? I mean, they did nothing
to you. Good grief. It's cool to post your opinion, but you took it to the next
level.
Wolf
> any of the other sites to plug it into their counting programs? I've
> got my personal count on an Excel spreadsheet updated just fine, but
> it doesn't exactly apply as an "online viewable list", hence the
> disclaimer.
RCDB probably would.
--
|\-/|
<0 0>
=(o)=
-Wolf
Robert Nagy
they do not conform to your tastes. Maybe I too should not like them
because of your comments. Better yet I've seen their video's and
personally I wouldn't know either of them if they fell out of the sky
and landed on my face and started to wiggle. Apparently, I was looking
at the coaster segments and not them.
Jennifer
troll!:) I am a sweet looking 16 year old boy who has the world at his finger
tips!:)
Then go out and see the world instead of spending your pathetic life on the net
all day insulting people who just like to have fun. And Robb if you're reading
this, don't listen to this ass or take anything he says to heart. I enjoy your
videos and you and Elissa seem like very nice people. Don't let these losers
get you down. :)
Richard Davis
> Uhm, ANY post on the net is "annonymous!" GET OVER IT!
And unfortunately that means KIDS like you think they can post what the hell
they like.
I havce always gone by the rule on the net that I will say to someone else
the same as I'd say to them if I met them in real life.
You however, obviously can't graspt that concept.
Time to grow up - I think its obvious from the reaction on rcc that NO ONE
shares your view. Come back when you are old enough to post. Your physical
age may be 16 but you have shown today that you don't even act anything
close to that....
Richard
BoycottSixFlags
I think the dude needs to go on CB and post the message. He'd get a
much better response over there.
He brings up a valid point not talked about so far. That coaster
videos don't come out good when they show people whooping it up. I
haven't seen Robb's videos, and have nothing against him or Elissa.
I've written coutless e-mails to the Discovery channel telling them to
show the coasters from the POV and forget and the "people on the ride"
shots. Yet I get flamed for bringing it up.
You can see that here right now. It's a little clique that is just
waiting to jump at anything they don't agree with. Sure the 16 year
old may of come across a little immature, but he did have a point.
And he doesn't deserve everyone telling him to shut up. That's
exactly what happens over at CB, with Jeff "Suck my Dick" joining in
on the flaming by calling people idiots, then banning them.
I'm glad the dude posted his message.
It got everyone talking and the posts we're great to read.
NoGodForMe
Justin Adams
> Y A W N, come up with something better then that you moron!
Oh how I wish I knew who you were... oh how I wish...
Justin "I'm in the mood to throw a good beating" Adams
Tom Smith
news:20030218133641...@mb-ba.aol.com...
> >That would only happen in a 'perfect world' and you've seen the
> >playpus, so obviously it isn't! =)
>
> Oops! And I didn't mean to insult the platypus further by spelling his
name
> wrong!
>
> --Robb "Dogma rules!" Alvey
PPP costume idea anyone???? Claim it now!!!
Thanks, Robb!
--
Tom Smith (Call me Platypus man!!!!)
My Top 5 Beers
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4) Lindemans Framboise (Belgian Lambic Ale) Lindemans Farm Brewery,
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"Robb Alvey" <robb...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Dave Sandborg
BoycottSixFlags <Religi...@FairyTales.Com> wrote:
> That coaster
> videos don't come out good when they show people whooping it up.
Yep, everybody considers all that "whooping it up" on R&E's videos
boring. Only a few trolls are brave enough to be honest about it.
Everybody who's posted positive reviews must be sucking up, I guess.
--
Dave Sandborg
Remove Spam-away to respond via e-mail.
Dufflyer
parks, roller coasters, their friends & each other.
Thanks R & E for sharing your LOVE.
-Randy Duffer (real name)
TeenJock16
I can voice my opinion just like you or anyone can. My family PAID for the
videos, they suck, and I spoke my mind about it.
I dont NEED to know either of them, I saw enough on their dramatized videos to
get enough of a feel on how they are in real life.
And I wont "back the fuck off", what are you going to do about it 'Justin'? I
dont need to "check myself", I stated my opinions, deal! If you are sick of
people like me (people who are NOT afraid of voicing their OWN opinions) then
go back and craw into the hole you came out of!
And if I did live in CA, trust me, I could wip you with both hands tied behind
my back and then some:)
Wonders what this guy, kid looks like LMFAO
TeenJock16
me? If you did know me, you would be down on ALL FOURS sucking my dick you
faggot! Tell it like it is babE! I have seen you're pictures, you are nothing
short of a fucking queen ready to hit the opera!
Earthslash
what your talking about. Sure you have the right to an opinion, but
actually make it well thought out and back it up with credible evidence, and
don't directly insult someone without reason while your at it. Its people
like you who give teenagers a bad name.
- Earth
"Robert Nagy" <loo...@loopyguy.com> wrote in message
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Conrad Kadel
from Elissa herself, and she was a very nice person. I watched one of the
videos, and I am trying to find the time to watch the second video. I have
seen many videos, and I enjoyed their home movies more than any other video
that I have ever watched. It was nice to see something other than roller
coasters (don't get me wrong, I love those as well), and the video was just
plain fun to watch. If you can't get that out of the video, then I
sincerely feel sorry for you. But everyone is entitled to their own
opinions. You just don't have to post them in such a nasty way.
You must be in the Northeast U.S., as the two feet of snow outside your
front door has you locked in your house, unable to come up with something
better to do. Go out and shovel some snow, and make a home video of
yourself doing it. Don't incorporate any other footage, because people only
want to watch you shoveling snow. Anything else would be boring. Oh wait.
You shoveling snow during the ENTIRE video would be boring. Perhaps that is
why Robb and Elissa included other things to watch, thereby making the video
more entertaining!!! At least it is more entertaining to me. Can you
understand that??? I hope so...
I personally plan on buying more videos from Robb and Elissa. They are the
first amusement park videos that actually had me laughing. Can you laugh???
Do you know how???
Conrad "CoasterKon" Kadel
"Robert Nagy" <loo...@loopyguy.com> wrote in message
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Joe Campanella
"Justin Adams" <coaste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Who the fuck are you to come on here and start ragging on someone you
> don't even know?!? Back the fuck off boy, back the fuck off. Check
> yourself first before you go and start some shit. What gives? Have
> Robb and Elissa done anything to you? Even if they had, this isn't
> the forum for attacks and libel like you just conveyed here. Who the
> FUCK do you think you are? God I'm fucking sick of people like you,
> what Robb and Elissa do is none of your concern!! Why do you feel the
> need to make it your concern? I know why, because you feel
> insignificant yourself and have to start shit with other people to
> make yourself feel big. Give it a rest.
>
> Justin
Wow, Justin, you certainly have a mastery of the English language.
Joe "Justin is big and bad" Campanella
bobbykorn
They are quite annoying and I don't understand the fascination with them.
Maybe if she would show her tits or something in the videos I might watch
them.
"TeenJock16" <teenj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Robb Alvey
--Robb "Finds humor in everything!" Alvey
George Burnash
<Religi...@FairyTales.Com> was inspired to write:
>
>He brings up a valid point not talked about so far. That coaster
>videos don't come out good when they show people whooping it up. I
>haven't seen Robb's videos, and have nothing against him or Elissa.
So, pray tell, how on earth can you offer any sort of constructive
criticism on something that you've never seen? You've succeeded in
making your opinion worthless right off the bat because you're not
basing it on anything real.
>I've written coutless e-mails to the Discovery channel telling them to
>show the coasters from the POV and forget and the "people on the ride"
>shots. Yet I get flamed for bringing it up.
No, you don't get flamed for bringing it up. You get flamed because
your attitude consistently stinks and you're consistently offensive
and rude. That's why you get flamed. It's not because the majority
disagree with you, although that's definately true to.
>You can see that here right now. It's a little clique that is just
>waiting to jump at anything they don't agree with. Sure the 16 year
>old may of come across a little immature, but he did have a point.
>And he doesn't deserve everyone telling him to shut up.
A little immature? The kid starts off with a post aimed at nothing
else other than flaming extreme insults at people with the sold goal
of starting a war. Funnny thing is, he's contradicted himself so much
already that it's obvious he hasn't bought the videos, doesn't know
what he's talking about, and is doing his best to be offensive just
for the sake of being offensive. And you think that doesn't deserve
being told to shut up?
Heck, if he was my kid I would have backhanded him and washed his
mouth out with soap already.
>That's
>exactly what happens over at CB, with Jeff "Suck my Dick" joining in
>on the flaming by calling people idiots, then banning them.
Ahh, back to the "poor me I got banned from CB because I was the most
offensive jerk I could be there" bit that you pull all the time.
Please, grow out of it already.
>I'm glad the dude posted his message.
>It got everyone talking and the posts we're great to read.
Well, he did stir up a firefight, I'll admit that. And Robb and
Elissa are getting some great support and positive feedback from all
the people jumping to their defense, so if they wondered if people
liked their videos, now they know that they definately do. So yeah,
some good came out of this, but it was inspite of the troll, not
because of him.
Don't worry, maybe someday you'll get a clue and finally get it.
Robb Alvey
>>videos don't come out good when they show people whooping it up. I
>>haven't seen Robb's videos, and have nothing against him or Elissa.
>>show the coasters from the POV and forget and the "people on the ride"
>>shots. Yet I get flamed for bringing it up.
You do actually bring up a good point! Although our 'people' in our videos is
a lot different from what you see on the Discovery Channel. We don't do any of
that annoying "on ride commentary". It's really more to showcase a group of
people having fun at a park! For people that want more 'discovery channel'
like coaster videos sans the commentary we do the "coaster footage" videos
which is just POV and onrides and no people!
Just wanted to clear that up.
--Robb "Annyoing commentary guy on Ghostrider for Discovery Channel!" Alvey =)
Craig Burrows
Harry Face
I've only seen 1 Alvey/White video at a friends house. I think it was
the ACE trip to Europe in 2002. It was quite enjoyable.
Lot of good, clear ride & park footage.
The music was good. My only concern was some of the scene's needed to be
a few seconds longer....but there's only so much you can fit on a tape.
There were some kissy scene's between Alvey & White, but that just added
a little personal touch to it.
I couldn't tell who Alvey's gay friends were in this European video, but
some of the boys constantly being filmed were quite funny. Even the
dude bothering that one sheep was a laugh. So the video also had a
comedy aspect to it as well.
As for Alvey being older than White..who cares ! If the relationship
works for them, great..Age doesn't matter. Theres lots of people in the
world with partners 10, 15 20 years older or younger than themselves.
What you said about White needing to eat something, well I'm sure she
eats. She's petite and petite girls are usually small boned and thin. I
don't know the girl personally but have seen her at a few parks and as a
40 year old male I think she looks damn fine and I'm envious of Alvey.
Harryface
( Who hopes Elissa White wears the same bikini to Stark Raven Mad this
year, that she wore last year,,,,,,um it was white with pink dots! )
Brad D.
On 18 Feb 2003 18:45:05 GMT, teenj...@aol.com (TeenJock16) wrote:
>Y A W N, come up with something better then that you moron!
Cheers
Brad D.
Brad D.
Did you pick that name? Good one! HAHAHA
Cheers
Brad D.
David H.--REMOVE STOPSPAM to reply
>Go "PLONK" yourself bitch! I have a right to my opinion and I paid to buy the
>videos. I thought I was buying videos on RIDES, not to watch some show off
>couple run their mouths all day.
If you don't like the videos, Robb will refund your money.
David Hamburger, davi...@bellatlantic.net, Boston, MA
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>Oh shut up Sam. Everyone here knows you are the KING of the QUEENS! Like I
>said, my issue isn't with gay people who are gay, it's gay people who act like
>big girls. From some of the websites I have seen online with you'r photos on
>them, I can see you fit in that section quite well. Just because you are gay,
>doesn't mean everyone else is, stop trying to turn yourself on so much, dont
>you have a black lover? Maybe that is why you are always defending Six Flags
>America, for obvious reasons. I know my bud evil will be up in here shortly
>lol.
>
>And for the record! I have seen MANY people on this board talk in a negative
>way about Rob and Ellisa, I'm not the first and certainly not the last.
Gee, the person personally attacks people in this group. Then he attacks
gays. Then he attacks blacks.
Does anyone still take him seriously?
David H.--REMOVE STOPSPAM to reply
>>>He brings up a valid point not talked about so far. That coaster
>>>videos don't come out good when they show people whooping it up. I
>>>haven't seen Robb's videos, and have nothing against him or Elissa.
>>>I've written coutless e-mails to the Discovery channel telling them to
>>>show the coasters from the POV and forget and the "people on the ride"
>>>shots. Yet I get flamed for bringing it up.
>
>You do actually bring up a good point! Although our 'people' in our videos is
>a lot different from what you see on the Discovery Channel. We don't do any of
>that annoying "on ride commentary". It's really more to showcase a group of
>people having fun at a park! For people that want more 'discovery channel'
>like coaster videos sans the commentary we do the "coaster footage" videos
>which is just POV and onrides and no people!
>
>Just wanted to clear that up.
>
>--Robb "Annyoing commentary guy on Ghostrider for Discovery Channel!" Alvey =)
Personally, it's the PEOPLE in Robb's videos that are the reason I like
them so much (and not just because I'm one of those people!)
Personally, I'm not a huge fan of the videos that focus on just the coaster
rides, esp. POV shots. There have been tons of them. They were fun at
first, but now they're old to me. It's juts not the same as riding the
things anyways, so why bother? If I want to simulate the experience of
riding the coaster without any of the forces, I can play No Limits on my
computer. On that, I can even look around!
But you have to admit, few people have been able to capture the feel of a
day at the park with friends like Robb has (now with Elissa, too.) Whether
it's just a day of Robb and Elissa and maybe a few friends, or it's a big
event like Stark Raven Mad, you really feel like you get the whole
experience of a day at the park with their videos. And that's what I like
most in coaster videos. Whether you like the people personally, or not,
you have to admit that their videos are very well done. And they even make
footage videos for those who like those kinds. (Personally, I've only
bought one of the footage videos: the one from the ECO trip, as a souvenir
of parks I won't be back to soon.)
Gordo
no one here really knows me since i have no time to go to different
coaster events..but i bought the videos a few weeks ago..well just
sent the payment yesterday..i loved them..they are great..gives me a
chance to see the parks that i have not been to yet..which are a lot
of them..so thank you robb and elissa for putting together some great
videos which was compieled obviously from alot of footage..maybe this
year i can get to PPP.
gordon E
David H.--REMOVE STOPSPAM to reply
wrote:
>I couldn't tell who Alvey's gay friends were in this European video, but
>some of the boys constantly being filmed were quite funny. Even the
>dude bothering that one sheep was a laugh. So the video also had a
>comedy aspect to it as well.
Wasn't the dude bothering the sheep ROBB? ;-)
Flare
>"Justin Adams" <coaste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:196b0661.03021...@posting.google.com...
>
>
>>Who the fuck are you to come on here and start ragging on someone you
>>don't even know?!? Back the fuck off boy, back the fuck off. Check
>>yourself first before you go and start some shit. What gives? Have
>>Robb and Elissa done anything to you? Even if they had, this isn't
>>the forum for attacks and libel like you just conveyed here. Who the
>>FUCK do you think you are? God I'm fucking sick of people like you,
>>what Robb and Elissa do is none of your concern!! Why do you feel the
>>need to make it your concern? I know why, because you feel
>>insignificant yourself and have to start shit with other people to
>>make yourself feel big. Give it a rest.
>>
>>Justin
>>
>>
>
>Wow, Justin, you certainly have a mastery of the English language.
>
>
lol... Not to mention, he's doing the very thing that he spends at least
half a dozen choice 4 letter entries digging into the kid for. I do find
it interesting to take a look at the people responding, though. There's
plenty of good humor to go around. On the one hand, you have people
defensing against someone looking for the very confrontation they're
providing; yet the troll really left out the best arguement, in that
Robb is breaking specific copyright and illectual property laws
regarding publishing with respect to his video malfeasance. If the kid
really wanted to mess with him, he'd have taken a different road. All
the responses have kept the guy in business for the moment. Actually a
quite amusing thread.
Getting back to the post at hand though, and this is meant in the most
basic, perceptive way: It's no wonder Justin no longer works for Disney.
Dave
-"Get the ph(you)ck OUTADA teacup, BITCH...and take yo' MOM, too!"
Ryan
>the
>videos. I thought I was buying videos on RIDES, not to watch some show off
>couple run their mouths all day.
Look whadayatalk, whadayatalk, whadayatalk?
--Ryan "dave, i dont think anyone *ever* took this guy seriously"
Rob Ascough
"David H.--REMOVE "STOPSPAM" to reply" <davidhhh...@bellatlantic.net>
wrote in message news:jjh65vsj1fm81pnrh...@4ax.com...
>
> Does anyone still take him seriously?
Did anyone ever take him seriously? I don't remember him posting before
this Robb & Elissa bashing.
Rob Ascough
> Actually YOU are the troll! You are MUCH older then I am, that makes YOU
the
> troll!:) I am a sweet looking 16 year old boy who has the world at his
finger
> tips!:)
A troll is not determined by age, it is determined by attitude. Most 16
year olds could have figured that out on their own. Then again, for a 16
year old, you are hideously immature.
Justin Adams
>
>
> Wow, Justin, you certainly have a mastery of the English language.
>
> Joe "Justin is big and bad" Campanella
First off, who are you, why are you talking to me and what business is
it of yours that I go off on a foul-mouthed tirade every once in a
great while? I don't know you and you don't know me. Frankly, I'd
like to keep it that way.
Oh yeah, and one more thing. This is normally where I'd tell you to
remove the rather large stick in your ass, but I'm guessing you like
it where it's at, so I'll restrain myself.
Justin "Now I've got random people bitching at me" Adams ;-)
Justin Adams
> On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:02:26 -0600 (CST), harr...@webtv.net (Harry Face)
> wrote:
>>
> Wasn't the dude bothering the sheep ROBB? ;-)
>
>
> David Hamburger
We all know Robb likes sheep David, it's no secret!! ;-)
Furthermore, all these "haters" of Robb and Elissa really need to back
up off of them. It's getting out of hand and a little scary. It's
bordering on obsession, and that's really freaky.
Justin "All this stalking needs to stop" Adams
Robb Alvey
>
Lol! Welcome to my world, Justin! =)
--Robb "Hated by many he's never met!" Alvey =)
Robb Alvey
>up off of them. It's getting out of hand and a little scary. It's
>bordering on obsession, and that's really freaky.
>
>Justin "All this stalking needs to stop" Adams
Freaky is people posting this crap, yes.. Obsessive is when people from here
stalk you on other message boards and post under pseudonyms! That's the really
creepy part!
But, yes..it needs to stop. Yet another reason RRC is the worst of all the
newsgroups/message boards, etc....
--Robb "It's even funnier when you actually find out who those people are!!!"
Justin Adams
>> >
> lol... Not to mention, he's doing the very thing that he spends at least
> half a dozen choice 4 letter entries digging into the kid for. I do find
> it interesting to take a look at the people responding, though. There's
> plenty of good humor to go around. On the one hand, you have people
> defensing against someone looking for the very confrontation they're
> providing; yet the troll really left out the best arguement, in that
> Robb is breaking specific copyright and illectual property laws
> regarding publishing with respect to his video malfeasance. If the kid
> really wanted to mess with him, he'd have taken a different road. All
> the responses have kept the guy in business for the moment. Actually a
> quite amusing thread.
>
> Getting back to the post at hand though, and this is meant in the most
> basic, perceptive way: It's no wonder Justin no longer works for Disney.
>
> Dave
> -"Get the ph(you)ck OUTADA teacup, BITCH...and take yo' MOM, too!"
So now you are attacking me Dave, when all I was doing was standing up
for people I count as friends? Hmmm, and now it seems you are making
comments about something you know ABSOLUTELY nothing about. My
employment with Disneyland is my business, and I expect you to keep
you nose out of it. I stopped working there for a reason, and if you
knew that reason perhaps you wouldn't have made those comments. Was
my first post eloquent? No, and I can admit that. I plead "temporary
profanity". There are a bunch of people here that are guilty of
profanity from time to time. I'm just sick of all the crap, and was
simply venting my frustration at this person and their comments.
Could it have been handled by me a little better? Sure, but I'm not
about to apologize for anything I said. I normally try to keep a
civil tonque when posting here in this newsgroup, and have never done
anything to you (or anyone else for that matter) that warrants the
comments you made. I can only assume that you never really were a
friend, even though I thought you were. That's fine with me, I'd
actually prefer it that way.
Oh yeah, let me tell you the reason why I left Disney, since you seem
to be so interested in my life: I left because my sister-in-law became
sick with cancer and passed away a month after I came back to Nor Cal.
But yeah, I left Disney because I have such a "foul mouth". Thanks a
bunch.
Justin "Now I've got people turning against me" Adams
Bumptious Q. Bangwhistle
> In article <hsg55vgp7kv7rvdst...@4ax.com>,
> BoycottSixFlags <Religi...@FairyTales.Com> wrote:
>
> > That coaster
> > videos don't come out good when they show people whooping it up.
>
> boring. Only a few trolls are brave enough to be honest about it.
> Everybody who's posted positive reviews must be sucking up, I guess.
I enjoy the videos, it's nice seeing people having fun. The question
that's in the back of my mind is- did they get releases or are paying
royalties on the music they use? ASCAP or RIAA would be interested to
find out...
Steve
Robb Alvey
>that's in the back of my mind is- did they get releases or are paying
>royalties on the music they use? ASCAP or RIAA would be interested to
>find out...
>
>Steve
Look. I'm sick of people bringing this topic up. So why don't you just send
ASCAP and RIAA a letter telling them what we're doing so they can send us a
cease and disist letter and we'll stop making videos. Then you'll have a lot
of angry people at you. It would be reallt sad because we're trying to do this
for fun and we're not making a profit. I really thought there would be more
pressing concerns in the world right now, but I guess our use of music in
videos is SO important to so many people.
--Robb "If we were making tons of cash from the videos, maybe you'd have a
point." Alvey
Ride of Steel
>Nothing better has come from you yet TeenJockStrap16. We're waiting!
Some pictures might spice up the competition.
/kip
Ride of Steel
>Oh shut up Sam. Everyone here knows you are the KING of the QUEENS! Like I
>said, my issue isn't with gay people who are gay, it's gay people who act like
>big girls. From some of the websites I have seen online with you'r photos on
>them, I can see you fit in that section quite well.
Honestly, if I thought Sam was a queen, I would just keep my mouth shut and not
get involved here (RRC has become quite pathetic lately), but saying Sam acts
like a girl is absolutely retarded. You are retarded. Take some Valium, put
on your tard helmet, and try to make a hole in the wall with your head. If
your mom gets mad, smack her ass and call her Candy.
Geez, now look what you did - I'm contributing to the garbage. Asshole.
/kip
CoAsTeRDaN
>
I find that to be good business Robb. Not many video dealers or makers would
do that. Good customer service.
CoAsTeRDaN
PKD 4 ME
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# 1 Steel, Mindbender at West Edmonton Mall, # 2 Superman: ROS at SFNE
Robb Alvey
>do that. Good customer service.
>
>
> CoAsTeRDaN
Thanks Dan! It's always been my policy since day one! Becase they are our
'home movies' and I know that might not be everyone's 'thing', and I didn't
want to dissapoint anyone or think they were being 'tricked' into getting a
"Discovery Channel" type video. Since it's a home-made project for fun....if
someone else couldn't share in the fun or understand it, why should they pay
for it? The $10 really just covers our cost of materials, postage, and our
time (which seems to be all of our free time lately!) The honor system seems to
work out pretty good...not too many deadbeats, and we're willing to take that
risk really to show it's not about the money, it's about the fun! If we were
in it for a profit, I'm sure we could easily get $20 for them, but it's not
about that.
--Robb "Just don't want people to feel they get stuck with videos they don't
like" Alvey
Rastus O'Ginga
>
>Look. I'm sick of people bringing this topic up. So why don't you just send
>ASCAP and RIAA a letter telling them what we're doing so they can send us a
>cease and disist letter and we'll stop making videos. Then you'll have a lot
>of angry people at you. It would be reallt sad because we're trying to do this
>for fun and we're not making a profit. I really thought there would be more
>pressing concerns in the world right now, but I guess our use of music in
>videos is SO important to so many people.
>
>--Robb "If we were making tons of cash from the videos, maybe you'd have a
>point." Alvey
The sad thing is, I wouldn't put in past the RIAA to do that to you.
They exist basically to bully people. I mean, really, the royalties
you would owe for all the videos you've ever made would be, what, $20?
Royalties are based on the audience size. Of course, radio is exempt,
since they are basically in cahoots with the record industry. And,
since internet stations apparently aren't, the RIAA is trying to rid
the world of them. I'm sure Clear Channel sends in a check quite
often to help destroy the internet radios.
If the record industry wasn't so fucking greedy, maybe piracy wouldn't
be so rampant. And, if the software industry didn't tack on spyware,
or release bug-riddled games and programs, perhaps folks would be more
apt to pay for them.
Rastus O'Ginga
Winner of the 2nd Annual C. Montgomery Burns Award for
Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence.
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Robb Alvey
>They exist basically to bully people. I mean, really, the royalties
>you would owe for all the videos you've ever made would be, what, $20?
>Royalties are based on the audience size.
Well, having done a little more research today, and talked with a few people I
know that deal in copyright law, I still feel we are in the clear based on the
fair use act. Here it is right from RIAA's website:
<Start Quote>
Fair Use Doctrine {USC Title 17, Sec 107}
The "fair use doctrine" of federal law is a complicated area. Basically, it
limits the extent of property interest granted to the copyright holder. For
example, this might allow citizens to cite a quotation from copyrighted
material when the excerpt is used for teaching, research, news reporting,
comment, criticism or parody.
However, there are some limitations. Whether the court allows you to reproduce,
distribute, adapt, display and/or perform copyrighted works depends upon the
nature of the use (commercial purposes, non-profit, educational), the length of
the excerpt, how distinctive the original work is, and how the use will impact
the market for the original work.
Generally speaking, one is not allowed to take the "value" of a song without
permission, and sometimes that value is found even in a three-second clip. When
in doubt, it is always wise to check with the copyright owner, because in many
cases even a small clip of a song may not be "fair use."
<End Quote>
The key thing to point out is: "how the use will impact the market for the
original work."
There is no way that the music on our videos is in any way a 'replacement' for
the original work. Our use would not stop someone from purcahsing the original
work. That combined with the very low volume we produce, and that we can prove
that this is a non-profit venture, coming after us would be hardly worth their
time.
--Robb "It's not like I'm ripping CDs and putting them on the net!" Alvey
Joe Campanella
Justin, how old are you? The response to that troll made you sound like you
were a big bad tough senior in HS who was trying to sound like a bad ass.
You're what, 30 or so? Act like it. It wasn't just the fact that you
swore. You sounded like a little kid. Grow up a little.
Why am I talking to you? Get over yourself, this is a newsgroup. You
posted something, I replied to it, how is that hard to comprehend? Now
you're getting upset because I called you out as being immature and not
expressing yourself without the use of a half-dozen curse words? Does it
matter that I don't know you? I responded to your one single post. That's
what you do on newsgroups. I don't have to know you. If you don't want to
know me, that's fine, I'm sure I'll get to sleep tonight knowing that.
And you're right, leave the stick alone! You don't know my stick and it
doesn't know you, so why don't you mind your own business? Leave your nose
out of where my stick is!
Joe "who thinks it's funny that *I* have a stick up my ass considering I
wasn't the one having a brain hemorrhage responding to a troll...methinks
there was another reason for the stick comment, eh Justin?" Campanella
hogfat
> Well, having done a little more research today, and talked with a few people I
> know that deal in copyright law, I still feel we are in the clear based on the
> fair use act. Here it is right from RIAA's website:
>
> <Start Quote>
>
> Fair Use Doctrine {USC Title 17, Sec 107}
>
> The "fair use doctrine" of federal law is a complicated area. Basically, it
> limits the extent of property interest granted to the copyright holder. For
> example, this might allow citizens to cite a quotation from copyrighted
> material when the excerpt is used for teaching, research, news reporting,
> comment, criticism or parody.
> <snip etc.>
> <End Quote>
>
> The key thing to point out is: "how the use will impact the market for the
> original work."
i don't believe the riaa are the people you want to be heading to for
information on fair use.
> There is no way that the music on our videos is in any way a 'replacement' for
> the original work. Our use would not stop someone from purcahsing the
> original work. That combined with the very low volume we produce, and that
> we can prove that this is a non-profit venture, coming after us would be
hardly
> worth their time.
are you so blind to all the emphasis the riaa puts on length? if you're
effectively reproducing the whole of copyrighted piece of work, fair use
arguments get that much tougher. it can't be enough that you're affecting (or
not) the market. you've also got to somehow justify the active distribution of
reproductions and prove that you're not engaging in a for profit venture.
remember, there's a mighty fine line between that which is for profit and that
which is not, and it's not whether you actually make a profit. i really don't
believe your use would qualify as any sort of "fair use," at the very least
because you're engaging in distribution. this isn't to say that i believe
you're inappropriately using copyrighted works. but that's because of my
feelings on what's appropriate.
"hardly worth their time"? definitely. "fair use"? if it is, then what's the
point of granting rights to reproduce?
Barry Hom
Elissa's video. In short, I think they are great! They have a lot of
great footage of many parks. I view them often to plan park trips and
figure out where to go. I don't think Robb and Elissa are annoying at
all. They seem like fun people to hang with. Plus, they go to more
parks than probably any of us. We would have to add all the parks up
from 4-5 people to equal the parks Robb and Elissa visit in one year.
Robb and Elissa's videos actually inspired me to edit my own video on
a Disney World convention. I studied their tapes to figure out how
it's done. My video has gotten great reviews by those who have seen
it. I actually sent a copy to Robb and Elissa, but I haven't gotten a
response from the "masters." I suppose they are busy planning a
wedding.
As for their age difference, who really cares? They both enjoy each
other's company and they both like roller coasters. Who else has a
significant other who has so many similiar interests?
Alex S.
lets be a little later, buddy.
Niomosy
In all honesty, I don't see why this couldn't have been done privately. Is
there really any need to make personal attacks public? No offense but
you're talking about being an adult yet you do something childish like send
it to the newsgroup. That's a bit of a pot-kettle-black situation there. I
feel that Justin was perfectly justified in his response. Yes, there was
the fine use of 4-letter words. Is that really such a big problem? I can't
imagine this was the first time you've heard/seen this use of language out
of adults and I can't imagine it will be the last. If there's a question
about Justin's character, I'll definitely be a witness for him. He's been a
good friend.
Sorry but pointless attacks on my friends annoy me.
-Matt
Joe Campanella
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> >
> > "Justin Adams" <coaste...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > > "Joe Campanella" <Nitr...@charter.net> wrote in message
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Is
> there really any need to make personal attacks public? No offense but
> you're talking about being an adult yet you do something childish like
send
> it to the newsgroup. That's a bit of a pot-kettle-black situation there.
I
> feel that Justin was perfectly justified in his response. Yes, there was
> the fine use of 4-letter words. Is that really such a big problem? I
can't
> imagine this was the first time you've heard/seen this use of language out
> of adults and I can't imagine it will be the last. If there's a question
> about Justin's character, I'll definitely be a witness for him. He's been
a
> good friend.
>
> Sorry but pointless attacks on my friends annoy me.
>
> -Matt
No, you're absolutely right, that should have been email only. I did send
it via email but it bounced back for some reason.
Yes, the four letter word responses were a problem, he can definitely get
his point across without them, I'm sure. It's not like I don't use the
words either, but saying them six times in a threatening manner to some
troll is ridiculous, and made him sound like a little bully, that's all.
That's very nice of you to stick up for Justin, but in all honestly, I made
a tongue-in-cheek post about how he had a "mastery of the English language"
because he used so many cuss words that were so unnecessary.
But I ask, who was pointlessly attacking who? Was the stick comment
necessary? I think your friend needs your advice more than I do, Matt. If
he can't take me telling him to grow up a little is "attacking" him, you
must get your feelings hurt a lot.
And please, don't apologize for your post. If you mean something, say it,
ya know? There's no hard feelings on this end!
Joe "you can always count on me for a witty, funny comeback says Alvey! :-)"
Campanella
FlipFlopsSox
for
the original work. Our use would not stop someone from purcahsing the original
work. That combined with the very low volume we produce, and that we can prove
that this is a non-profit venture, coming after us would be hardly worth their
time.<<
I've actually purchased cds (BNL, Aqua) from hearing them on R&E's videos.
Andrea.....also sick of the troll war....
Giovanni Wassen
> As for their age difference, who really cares? They both enjoy each
> other's company and they both like roller coasters. Who else has a
> significant other who has so many similiar interests?
Does my hand count as a significant other?
--
Giovanni
->
"Have you ever wondered why there are so many dead worlds out there, let me
tell you why - its because despite the best advice of people who know what
they are talking about, other people insist on doing the most massively
stupid things" - Galen
Andrew Brawley
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> > Y A W N, come up with something better then that you moron!
>
>
> Oh how I wish I knew who you were... oh how I wish...
>
> Justin "I'm in the mood to throw a good beating" Adams
Got a couple of quarters? I'm in the mood for a game of "Whack-a-Troll"!
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Justin Adams
> > No, you're absolutely right, that should have been email only. I did send
> it via email but it bounced back for some reason.
>
> Yes, the four letter word responses were a problem, he can definitely get
> his point across without them, I'm sure. It's not like I don't use the
> words either, but saying them six times in a threatening manner to some
> troll is ridiculous, and made him sound like a little bully, that's all.
>
> That's very nice of you to stick up for Justin, but in all honestly, I made
> a tongue-in-cheek post about how he had a "mastery of the English language"
> because he used so many cuss words that were so unnecessary.
>
> But I ask, who was pointlessly attacking who? Was the stick comment
> necessary? I think your friend needs your advice more than I do, Matt. If
> he can't take me telling him to grow up a little is "attacking" him, you
> must get your feelings hurt a lot.
>
> And please, don't apologize for your post. If you mean something, say it,
> ya know? There's no hard feelings on this end!
>
> Joe "you can always count on me for a witty, funny comeback says Alvey! :-)"
> Campanella
You know what Joe? You are right in saying that my post was immature.
I realize that after reading what I wrote. I stooped to the same
level as the troll, and I kick myself now for doing it. However, I
feel I need to clarify my situation here. I've been reading all the
character attacks on Robb and Elissa lately, and it's been getting
VERY old. An attack on a friend of mine is an attack on me, so I take
it personally. A person can only take so much before he blows his
top, and that's what made me post a tirade like that. You singled me
out for being immature, and yet you mention nothing of the attack on
Robb and Elissa from the original poster? I take offense to that,
especially since that type of post from me is VERY irregular. As I've
said before, I usually hold my tongue when it comes to this crap, but
I've had enough. Telling me to grow up after only reading one of my
posts doesn't seem very mature of you. It seems like an attack on my
character, and that pisses me off. I feel I've been very mature in
most of my posts here on the newsgroup, regardless of the topic. One
profanity-filled tirade doesn't make a person immature, just look at
all the crap that gets posted here by certain people ALL THE TIME.
With that said, the stick comment was made in anger, and nothing more.
I don't know you, you don't know me. I admit I could've handled
myself a little better, and I apologize for making those comments to
you in my defense. I appreciate the comments Matt has made, because I
feel I've been unjustly singled out here by you. How come you didn't
bother to single out the actual troll? Instead you choose to make
comments to someone you know nothing about and have never met. I did
the same in defense of myself, and I realize now that I could've
handled it better.
Anyways, I'm removing myself from this conversation, as it's pointless
to keep arguing over who said what and who did what. There are worse
things in this world to worry about. Perhaps we should just put all
this behind us. I know I will be forgetting this topic as soon as I
post this message. =)
Justin "Sometimes I have a stick in my ass too, I admit it" Adams ;-)
Joe Campanella
> You know what Joe? You are right in saying that my post was immature.
Okay, while I don't apologize for my post as I don't think it should have
caused any trauma to anyone, I see what you're saying, Justin. I didn't
respond to the original poster because he was obviously a Grade A troll who
isn't even deserving of my time. I responded to you because I thought that
post was 100% unnecessary, even though I know you were defending your good
friends, Robb and Elissa. I just think it could have been done with much
more tact, which is why I chose to give you a "shot" (and come on, it wasn't
even all that bad :-p ).
I have read more than one of your posts, I know those kinda posts are not
typical of you. I don't see how I was childish in pointing that out, but if
you think so, that is fine. I meant absolutely no ill will by my post, I
just thought it was humorous how you used "fuck" about six times in a couple
paragraphs and sounded like you were starting a fight with the kid. That's
all.
Apology accepted about the stick comment, no hard feelings. And about you
leaving RRC for good, well don't, because THAT would be immature. ;-) Screw
the trolls, just post about what you're interested in and so forth and
everything will be fine. Losing a poster because of a troll is not cool, so
just cool off, relax, and go back to posting the way you always have. I
know I still will!
Now, did someone say something about Top Thrill Dragster? ;-)
Joe "water under the bridge, man...water under the bridge" Campanella
Robb Alvey
I thought you said you weren't posting here anymore!!!! All this time I was
looking forward to a "Justin Free RRC!" Hey! That rhymed! lol! =)
--Robb "Sorry, I couldn't resist!" Alvey! =)
Mike Kallay
ras...@kingwoodcable.net says...
> The sad thing is, I wouldn't put in past the RIAA to do that to you.
> They exist basically to bully people. I mean, really, the royalties
> you would owe for all the videos you've ever made would be, what, $20?
Not true.
There's a pre-commitment to royalties that has to be met to even use the
songs. Think of an escrow account. Think thousands of dollars --
depending on the copyright holder (like Harry Fox Agency who owns the
lion's share of published music).
The truth is that someone like Robb couldn't meet those obligations,
even if he wanted to. Nobody would take him seriously, or the barriers
to get the rights to use the music he did choose would prevent him from
legally using the music.
That said, his arguments of "fair use" are utter nonsense. And, he is
charging the price he does to make a profit. So, he is absolutely
breaking the law by doing so.
(I work for one of the biggest record companies in the World, in case
anyone wonders where I get my information).
I'll reiterate what I mentioned months ago -- don't charge for the
videos. If you really want to "share" your home movies with friends,
then you should not charge for them. Or, donate reimbursements for
production to a charity. Or better yet, choose unpublished music from
great artists at FarmClub.com or MP3.com
It all just comes down to a moral decision. Do you profit off the blood,
sweat & tears of somebody whom you are not sharing the profit? I
certainly wouldn't, but that's just the way my moral compass points.
Would the videos you make be half as enjoyable with "Joe's Garage Band"
instead of "Blink 182?" Well, that's the ultimate test of your filmaking
ability.
Personally, I use published artists in my videos because the music and
the familiarity of the songs make the video more enjoyable to me. The
difference is, I wouldn't give a moment's thought of charging someone to
have to a copy, if they wanted to see it. That's precisely where you
cross the line from the gray area of "fair use" to the black & white
area of "copyright infringement."
--
Mike Kallay
inve...@ghostrider.org
www.ghostrider.org for all your fly-fishing needs
"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men." --
Willy Wonka
Wayne
since they are basically in cahoots with the record industry.
I work at a radio station and we have to pay about 2% of our net sales to
ASCAP/BMI, I don't know what they would want Robb to pay if anything,
individuals may only be rated by profit.?
Wayne
Ace Member
CoasterRidr @aol.com (no spaces)
Niomosy
I apologize for jumping on you for that, assuming you hadn't made the
attempt to make the discussion private.
For the four-letter words, I don't deny that it was a bit much but I also
know that this isn't like Justin and when I read the comment, I let it go at
that. This troll happened to get to several people pretty well and Justin
was one of them.
It wasn't so much of an actual apology as a phrase of speech. Perhaps a
better choice of words would have been better. It's always interesting
trying to express emotions across the 'net ;)
You're right. No hard feelings. No reason for us to fight like this. The
troll is the only one that wins out in the end. If we ever meet, I'll
gladly share a ride on a coaster with ya. Take care.
-Matt
Justin Adams
> >Justin "Sometimes I have a stick in my ass too, I admit it" Adams ;-)
>
> I thought you said you weren't posting here anymore!!!! All this time I was
> looking forward to a "Justin Free RRC!" Hey! That rhymed! lol! =)
>
> --Robb "Sorry, I couldn't resist!" Alvey! =)
>
I'm not posting this here. This isn't an actual post. Forget I said
anything... ;-)
Seriously though, I just wanted to respond to Joe. I think I've
cleared the air through an email sent his way, and I hope that he
bears me no ill will, as I don't bear him any. I just got carried
away a little, seeing two of my friends get attacked. And with all
the other crap going on in my life, I finally lost it a little.
Attack my friends, you attack me. =)
With that said, I don't think I'll leave RRC entirely. I count too
many people in this group as friends, and it's not worth it to give up
because of a little troll. I won't post much anymore (like I posted
all that much to beging with) but I think a little break is necessary.
There are far better places I can spend my time, but I will keep
"lurking" around here to keep up to speed on things. You might see me
pop in occasionally, but that's about it.
Justin "RRC won't be completely free of me" Adams
hey, that rhymed too! =)
Joe Campanella
> Seriously though, I just wanted to respond to Joe. I think I've
> cleared the air through an email sent his way, and I hope that he
> bears me no ill will, as I don't bear him any. I just got carried
> away a little, seeing two of my friends get attacked. And with all
> the other crap going on in my life, I finally lost it a little.
> Attack my friends, you attack me. =)
Like I said in an email, no ill will towards ya, man. It's all good. Now
let's get over this mushy stuff and get back to talkin' coasters, shall we?
:-)
Joe "I love you man!" C.
Ted Ansley
It is my understanding that radio stations keep a playlist and DO pay royalties
for every song played.
--------------------------
Ted Ansley
ans...@usa.com
RollerCoaster Fan<atic>
Okie
Mike -
Are you *sure* Rob "gets legal" merely by not charging? The song
owner still could say, "Hey, it's MY song and you are using MY
property and giving it away. I can't come into your home, get a
beautiful, popular painting and go display it to the world and hide
behind the I'm-not-charging-for-it excuse." All that said, before I
get flamed, I realize this is hardly "substantive". But, per the
strict letter of the law, my guess is that not charging means nothing.
It's still not his music. My purpose in asking, however, is NOT to
explore the morality of this, but just to learn the exact nature of
the law.
If Rob ever wants to comply with the exact letter of the law (that is,
IF, IF I'm right), surely there's a coaster enthusiast somewhere in
the corporations that own the rights that could "run this through" the
Legal Dept. and get Rob the necessary waiver.
For the record, I enjoy his videos and find them VERY useful in
determining what parks I may want to visit. Also, for the record, I
forgot to pay him and only received a nice reminder e-mail.
Brad
Joe Schwartz
> Does my hand count as a significant other?
No, but your fingers are significant digits.
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Bruce Turner
Atlantis and McCartney in front of Congress burns my butt. I will put it in
plain English. I don't want to steal their damn music , make it easier for
me to use it , that's all I ask.
GIVE ME A VEHICLE LIKE ASCAP/BMI TO PAY FOR USE OF THEIR WARES IN A NON
PROFIT AND LEGAL MANNER. MAKE IT EASY!
When I contacted MPL , the first contact went great, but my telephone call
was never returned. I wanted so use a piece of music legally, and pay for it
, oh well , my guess is that the artist cares more about his profit than his
true fans.
When it comes down to the RIIA , they should be regulated to the hilt along
with the record companies. I can tell you , if I have the chance to talk to
my elected officials in Washington , in person , my first comment will be on
what the record industry is up too. This is a industry that needs a lot of
oversight , copy coding CD's , what's next , pay per play. Think MP3 , it
has the ability to be coded for pay per play , just like record industry
would like to see.
25 cents per play , you purchase the album , then you have to pay for every
play. Don't think that the industry wouldn't do that. When they went after
Napster , they were worried about one thing , and one thing only, the
backlash , that's the only thing that keeps this tiger under wraps.
Sorry everyone , when it comes down to the Record Industry, I don't trust
them as far a I can throw them. I do want to make sure that the artist gets
his piece of the pie from any production that I do , but don't make it so
impossible that I can't do things legally.
Robb and Elissa tape comment:
All the BS aside , Robb and Elissa managed to capture pretty close to
everyone of us that were on the UK\Europe tour. I couldn't have done any
better myself. Did Robb and Elissa capture UK\Europe trip essence , in my
opinion yes. I watch the tape and enjoy the music and video and editing. I
see all my friends in ACE on this tape , and the tape captured the trip in a
nut shell. Keep taping guys :-)
Bruce.....................
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Mike Kallay
brings...@hotmail.com says...
> Are you *sure* Rob "gets legal" merely by not charging?
Like I mentioned, the "charging for profit" aspect puts him into very
definitive violation of royalty agreements under the jurisdiction of
laws such as those dealing with copyrights.
There is a "gray area" of fair use that, IMO, would keep him out of
trouble if he stopped charging for the videos.
Royalties are my job. I am responsible for systems that pay out millions
of dollars in royalties on a monthly basis to some of the world's most
well known artists. I'm not a lawyer, but having to master the "business
rules" of what's involved, I'd like to think that I know where some
things lay in the legal spectrum in regards to royalties.
Mike Kallay
btu...@AwayspambeldGO.net says...
> When it comes down to the RIIA , they should be regulated to the hilt along
> with the record companies. I can tell you , if I have the chance to talk to
> my elected officials in Washington , in person , my first comment will be on
> what the record industry is up too. This is a industry that needs a lot of
> oversight , copy coding CD's , what's next , pay per play. Think MP3 , it
> has the ability to be coded for pay per play , just like record industry
> would like to see.
The RIAA is a just a watchdog group. Why do they need regulation?
They're essentially just lobbyists.
> Sorry everyone , when it comes down to the Record Industry, I don't trust
> them as far a I can throw them. I do want to make sure that the artist gets
> his piece of the pie from any production that I do , but don't make it so
> impossible that I can't do things legally.
"Record Industry" is a compound subject. It includes a) artists b)
record companies that develop artists (fund) c) record companies that
distribute media d) publishers who own "rights" to songs and e) watchdog
groups like RIAA, ASCAP, etc.
The problem is, you can't just "give" an artist his/her money and be
done with it. That's not the system. Many (ok, most) artists trade all
rights to their music in exchange for funding of studio time, media
generation, promotion, tour support, and distribution. They lose most of
their rights the minute someone like David Geffen presents them a
contract. There are alternatives -- I spoke with Todd Mohr from Big Head
Todd recently and he told me how they had to wait out their record
company dying (bankruptcy), just to get the rights to their music back.
When they did, they decided to be their own label. They shrewdly inked a
deal with Warner to just "distribute" the media. In doing so, they
retain a larger piece of the pie and control their own destiny. But, it
takes money, and it takes negotiation, and it takes proven sales to get
to this point.
Last night, I spoke with Mike Gurley from Butterly Jones/dada. He told
me how they've been in a legal fight with MCA about rights to 10
leftover songs from their last album that they want to put out. MCA is
sitting on them. There's literally nothing that can be done outside the
courtroom. dada is stuck in limbo. They can't even shop a new deal. They
can't even put music on their site for free under the name of dada.
The point is, there are many hands in the pot. The artists largely don't
control their own destiny. Even if they wanted to permit someone to use
a song in a video, their hands are tied. You need at least 3 entities to
agree on doing so, and to agree separately on renumeration. Not likely,
at least not without people working in an agent for you trying to secure
all the rights. It's precisely this point that would prevent a small
timer like Robb to legally secure rights. It ain't gonna happen.
It's a bad system, and you can see how CDs are so expensive (especially
adding in the retailers markup -- you have at least 4 hands in the pot).
So, while some record companies are very bad, it's not always their
fault, or just their fault that CDs are expensive and rights are hard to
come by. There's plenty of blame to go around. I'd say the publisher is
usually the most wacko of the parties -- Yoko Ono is/was a prime example
of a holder of publishing rights. Remember that Michael Jackson also
bought into Beatles publishing rights at some point.
Believe you me, Napster didn't scare the industry because of backlash
per se. It identified two things: a shift to a new media distribution
(digital), and it raised the question of how to make that shift and how
to secure those files from piracy. MP3 cannot be secured. It's the
reason that PressPlay, for instance, decided to go with the WMA format.
WMA includes DRM (Digital Rights Management) at its core.
There's a potential bigger problem with the shift to digital
distribution: You now have another hand in the pot -- Microsoft in the
case of WMA. Whatever standard develops -- MP3, WMA, Liquid Audio, Ogg
Vorbis, etc., you can be assured that "licensing fees" for the owner of
that format will be tacked onto the price of the download.
Optimistically, I think the industry is moving towards a $.99 download a
song from Amazon type setup. I think that's good. I've long advocated in
my company that the real way to beat Napster/Gnutella/Etc. is to offer
a) cheap enough tracks that you wouldn't waste your time stealing it and
b) excellent quality tracks that you frequently cannot get on the peer
to peer networks.
Bruce Turner
to coasters slightly.
I want to use a song legally on a coaster video, and yes it might get shown
in public. I want to make sure that the artist gets his money for the use,
because his music was displayed in public. There is no clear cut way, like a
one stop shopping process like, BMI/ASCAP that I as a private person can go
to get legal permission from.
Mike as you pointed out, it's a pretty bizarre system that does a disservice
not only to the artist, but also to others that would like to use commercial
music legally.
You will have to forgive me ; I always thought that RIAA was a cheerleader
for the Record Industry.
On the Napster issue, the papers in my area covered the story with a little
more in depth reporting, it was a local story. At the time that Napster was
having issues with the record industry, the record industry spokesperson
eluded that they wanted to tread lightly; they didn't want to set off a
backlash against the industry. There have been 2 backlashes against groups
and the industry, one being the Beatle record burnings in the 60's, and the
Disco Sucks record burnings of the 70's.
There's 3 things that I have a bones of contention with the record industry.
1.) Digital Copy Coding of CD's. I like to compile music from CD's and Tapes
and Records on to a burnt CD, that way I'm not looking for multiple formats,
and I'm not fiddling with handfuls of CD's while I'm driving my car, or
fiddling with a controller while driving.
2.) Public Use of Commercial Music. I want to make sure that the artist gets
his money if I use his music. If I have plans to show a production of mine
in public with commercial music, I want to make sure that I have paid for
the showing. Here's where I say, give me one stop shopping.
3.) Internet Radio Streaming. I liked being able to hear to of my favorite
out of area radio stations on my computer. When I travel the northeast, 2
radio stations are usually tuned in on my radio, WMAS Springfield MA, and
Jersey 101.5 on the Weekends. That all changed when the Record Industy and
SAG put a stop to streaming.
What got me to really pay attention to the industry was the killing of radio
streaming, it sent up one hell of a red flag with me.
This is one industry that should be closely monitored, if not regulated.
Here's 2 reasons for regulation, Payola scandal of the 1980's, and the
recent price gouging the record industry did in the 1990's. That's why I
call for a regulation to the hilt on this industry, it needs it.
I play 3 musical instruments, as well as write songs, so I do believe that
the artist should be compensated. I think that the music industry should
follow the lead of the amusement industry , you must be proactive and show
that you are fairly balancing everyone's intrest , and not just the bottom
line.
Bruce...............................................
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<btu...@AwayspambeldGO.net> wrote:
>On the Napster issue, the papers in my area covered the story with a little
>more in depth reporting, it was a local story. At the time that Napster was
>having issues with the record industry, the record industry spokesperson
>eluded that they wanted to tread lightly; they didn't want to set off a
>backlash against the industry. There have been 2 backlashes against groups
>and the industry, one being the Beatle record burnings in the 60's, and the
>Disco Sucks record burnings of the 70's.
To be honest, I think they're already to late for that. People aren't
burning records this time, they're burning CD's. (Ooh, that was clever of
me!) But seriously, they are making their statement by not buying music
any more and downloading it instead.
I know that at least one major music chain in the Boston area is already
warning their employees that they will have to start to focus on other pop
culture items or they may end up out of business. They already have plans
to downsize to stay in business. And they say that a lot of this is
because of CD-burning.
A whole lot of people are pissed with the music industry for a whole lot of
reasons, some of them legitimate, some of them not.
In the end, I think that a lot of people still would have downloaded music
if they could get away with it without paying for it. But the actions of
the industry in recent years have given people a reasonable justification
to do so and not feel guilty about it.
And it's very possible that it may be too late to change that.
If the industry was smart, they'd make a million concessions to their
customers before it's too late. While they may make less money, they'll
still be in business. And if they don't watch out, a whole lot of record
labels will be going out of business. Quite a few already have.
My personal bone of contention is how the industry tries to force us to buy
albums when the truth is that most of us want SONGS. I don't want a whole
album. I like particular songs. Why should i have to pay for 10-12 songs
when I only want one? They know this, and that's why they've stopped even
MAKING singles for most songs they are pushing on the radio.
Now they're trying to get us to buy whole albums by only offering the
remixes of certain songs as a "bonus" CD with an album. I'm sorry, I love
the Hex Hector remix of Deborah Cox's "Mister Lonely", but I'm not paying
$15 for it! Yes, I'm technically paying for the album, but I don't want
it. I won't listen to it. Besides, I had the mix for like 4 months before
they released it as part of the album pack.
And more specifically, I want DANCE songs, and remixes. And all too often
the industry completely refuses to even release them. They'll make some
promo copies on vinyl (and now sometimes on CD, mostly for radio stations),
and yes, you can usually buy those at some stores. But technically it's
not even legal to buy those, so it's pretty much the same thing as
downloading the song.
At this point, even the leaking of songs on the net is becoming a part of
the record industry's marketing strategy. Then they slam the people who
download it! A friend of mine was at a club recently and was talking to a
rep for the singers who were there. They blatantly told him that the song
would be leaked online a few weeks prior to the single's release.
Then they call us criminals for downloading the songs that THEY are
providing?
In some clubs these days, as many as half the songs that the DJ's are
playing are songs that they have downloaded because they cannot legally buy
the songs. And the DJ's who are obeying the law are losing their jobs
because they are behind the times!
By the time the industry even decides to release a lot of songs, many of us
are already sick of them. I download good remixes of good songs. If they
are commercially available, I'll buy them. I'd like to keep remixers like
hex Hector and Thunderpuss in the business. If I no longer want to hear it
enough to justify paying $6+ for a CD single at that point, I won't buy it.
I'm trying hard to think of the last time I bought a CD.
Two of the top 5 songs on the billboard club play chart this week are not
commercially available. One of them is an import you're technically not
supposed to be able to buy in the US. 4 of the top 8 songs on the
Billboard Hot 100 chart are album-only cuts.
And they wonder why I don't buy much music any more?
And to keep this on-topic, one of the two dance songs that you CAN buy is
Emotional Rollercoaster! ;-)
(Gee, i didn't even have to resort to B&M!)
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davidhhh...@bellatlantic.net (David H.--REMOVE "STOPSPAM" to reply)
says...
> By the time the industry even decides to release a lot of songs, many of us
> are already sick of them. I download good remixes of good songs. If they
> are commercially available, I'll buy them. I'd like to keep remixers like
> hex Hector and Thunderpuss in the business. If I no longer want to hear it
> enough to justify paying $6+ for a CD single at that point, I won't buy it.
>
> I'm trying hard to think of the last time I bought a CD.
I agree with what you've said, David.
The silver lining in all of this is that digital distribution should
make more music available to a wider audience. The barriers to entry for
digital distribution are minuscule compared to what it took to produce
and distribute a physical product like vinyl or a CD. You're already
seeing it. MP3.com has over 200,000 artists that offer downloads,
streams, and on-demand CD purchases. That's 200,000 artists you probably
would never have been able to become exposed to prior to digital
distribution. Believe me, it scares the shit out of the industry. After
all, it's an industry that favors "style" more than "substance."
CD burners have also opened up all kinds of avenues for artists.
Formerly the playground of the big boys, CD's can cheaply be made and
sold at concerts, websites, etc. by any unsigned artist. I was at a show
the other night, and there were 3 opening bands. All 3 had CDs for sale
at the front door. Yeah, it may have been tapes before that -- but not
as good quality and certainly not as cheap.
My point is that it's getting better. It already is better if you have
the drive to seek out music. That may be the biggest stranglehold on
consumers -- they only are exposed to what the record companies who
promote want them to see -- you may not see the Linkin Parks of the
world because it's crap like Backstreet Boys and Jennifer Lopez that
rings the registers after all that style is packaged and bombed on an
unsuspecting public.
Linkin Park, for example, was denied record contracts at every major
label. Three times over. They got smart -- they self produced some
music, threw it up on sites like UBL and MP3.com, and when the following
quickly came, record companies were falling over each other to sign
them. And LP shrewdly inked a deal that was favorable to them, to their
publishing rights, and sets them up to do what they want. It's precisely
"digital distribution" that leveled the playing field for them. "Hybrid
Theory" was the top selling album of 2001, IIRC. Not bad for a band that
saw nothing but shut doors, took digital distribution by the horns, and
created their own destiny.
As for the music you like, I'd imagine that being a very niche product,
the major labels won't touch it. But, who's to say that the dj's and
remix guys won't start selling their stuff digitally?
Mike Kallay
kal...@ghostrider.org