What is a hyper coaster... THE Truth Lies Within....
Brian Smith
themselves to define this term.
Hyper Coaster is a MARKETING TERM. Meaning it was created with the sole
purpose of the coaster origionally defined as one to sound exciting,
wonderful, and amazing.
Just as B&M coined the phrase "Inverted Coaster", they went to the next step
and TradeMarked that name. Therefore you can see why every other "Suspended
Looping Coaster" cannot call themselves "Inverted Coasters". They of corse
are the same concepts, however B&M's sounds better. WHY? MARKETING TERM.
Hyper Coaster was not defined nor WILL be defined by anyone, and will be
used at WILL by the Coaster Community.
B&M has came up with their OWN Marketing Term, just so they can be different
from the rest... "B&M SPEED COASTER"
So,, What does this mean to the enthusiast? ITS MARKETING... leave it be
and stop having these silly debates.
Brian D. Smith
Myth Productions
ABBA1927
"hyper-coaster" waaay back when Cedar Point built Magnum. It was used to
specify a coaster with an initial lift and/or drop with a 200 ft. statistic.
Maybe I'm wrong or old age has come to Charlotte but that's where I first heard
the term.
Sentient6
doesn't make much sense calling any coaster a hyper coaster anymore. So many
people are buiding them that nobody will know the difference between them. It
is a marketing term. It's just like people calling whatever music comes out in
the 90s is alternative. The way I looked at a hyper coaster was a big steel
coaster with only drops. The 200 ft thing is really the truth of the situation
and it's a waste to call it so. As soon as Cedar Point or any other park builds
a looping coaster over 200 ft, what will people call it, a hyper mutlieliment
coaster? In doing so, people won't know what a so called speed coaster or steel
coaster with alot of hills is. We gotta stop with the marketing terms and start
making ones that we could use and understand.
Richie
John Scire
in Vegas is slightly taller that 200 ft and does two loops.
John Scire
Rollr...@aol.com
sc...@usc.edu
Sentient6 wrote in message <19981205042744...@ng136.aol.com>...
Shawn Ramsey
> in Vegas is slightly taller that 200 ft and does two loops.
Steel Phantom is over 200 feet tall, and im sure there are other 200ft+
multiloopers... why not just call them multi-element/mega looper
coasters, just like their shorter predecessors?
Richard Koppelman
by Allen Ambosini (I believe) when Magnum was being constructed. Before
that point in time the term used to describe a larger than normal coaster
(back then it was over 100 feet or so!) was "mega coaster". Somehow using
that term to describe Magnums unbelievable stats (at that time) just didn't
seem to some to accurately describe the ride. Thus the new term "hyper
coaster" was coined. I don't believe any restriction were placed on what
that term meant, except to describe a coaster over 200 feet tall. Only
lately does it seem that the PR departments have jumped on the band wagon
to using the term "hyper coaster", and a good PR tool it is! Over time it
has generally come to be accepted in coaster circles that the term "hyper
coaster" means a non looping coaster with heights approaching or exceeding
200 feet. It looks like it won't be to long before a new catch phrase may
have to be developed for coasters at or near 300 feet!! Who would have
thought that 20+ years ago, when the term "mega coaster" was coined!! (I
believe the first coaster to be called "mega" was the Beast).
Rich
CYCLONE NY
footers that were being built, which also included Steel Phantom.
It was intended to use the term specifically for coasters that reached the 200
foot mark, no matter what elements the rides themselves featured.
By its very definition, "hyper" is a prefix used to describe excessiveness. If
we start narrowing the definition, when applied to roller coasters, to those
steel rides that do not feature inversion elements, but are of large size, then
I think we'd have to include something like Gemini, which is indeed larger than
your average coaster.
Seems to me, that with all the criteria everyone has come up with to describe
what a hypercoaster is, the primary one, the 200 foot mark, is now the least
important to everyone.
But, everyone is going to use the term the way they want to regardless, so
really, why does this debate come up all the time?
Steve
-- Six Flags Great Adventure - Be prepared to be DAZZLED! --
CYCLONE N...@AOL.com
CoryPa77
suspended coaster does... Then there you have it.. the term "hyper-coaster"
would not have been around if it had not been invented for coasters over 200
feet! So if you want to call a hyper anything you want, thats just like
calling Batman the Ride a suspended coaster, and say Iron Dragon an inverted!
Later,
Cory- Ex-Ride Op. for Twisted Sisters at Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom!
Brand-rep at A&F for winter!=)
Kevin Ryan Teufer
Richard Koppelman wrote in message <01be2065$415619a0$01051fd0@default>...
This is all very true. The amazing thing is the English Language is the
most flexible language in the world. So words and definitions of those
words change and are molded into a form which better suits the usage of
them. Who would have thought that "The Bomb" would be a term that describes
a favorable position?
When it comes to a Hypercoaster, the definition doesn't exist. We know the
origins, we know the possible manifestations of the definition. I would
like to keep it as a definition which favors Park developers seeing a UNIQUE
kind of ride experiance. Just saying it has to be 200ft plus somewhere is
not a unique enough grab. Nor is saying ANYTHING over 200ft plus somewhere
is a Hypercoaster.
To me. A Hypercoaster is a Wood inspired Steelie. Magnum(Out-n-Back),
Apollo's Chariot (Out-n-Back), Raging Bull(Twister), Fugiyama(Twister).
Steel Eel(Out-n-back), Desperado (Custom).
All of these coasters have very similar characteristics which can easily be
placed into the definition of Wood inspired Steelie.
Steel Phantom NO, Manhattan NO. Other Multi-loopers in the future which may
end up with some silly stat of 200ft plus in it NO.
Lets make the Definition one that shows Park Designers a new coaster
experiance. This way we maximize the number of coasters possible in a park.
When you add loops and alter the train accordingly, you destroy this
possibility. So lets give the PR department what they want, and we will get
what we want MORE COASTERS.
I now is seeing the light on this particular subject.
BTW. Every hypercoaster (My definition) that I mentioned has overall stats
that are large enough to say a woodie should never attempt these kinds of
stats, so they had to resort to steel in order to make them. Ok, that made
no sense. Let me put it this way. If someone wants to build a large
coaster, what material do they use? Well, most would agree that Mean
Streak, Rattler, and other Woodies that had a stat over 150 some odd feet
has had problems that had to be addressed. This is simply because the Wood
and Laminate Steel rails simply start to fail with these kinds of stresses.
Point being, Hypers take up the statistic stats when it comes to creating a
ride like a woodie. Only thing is the Hypers can go to those somewhat more
extreme stats. This totally fits the Wood Inspired Steelie definition.
There is a gray area that floats around 150 ft. Once Woodies start maxing
out at 150, the Hypercoasters come in at start going bigger. So in essence.
Woodies max out at around 150 ft when it comes to stats. Hypercoasters have
a low end threshold that starts around 150. Nice and simple. So 150 is a
GRAY area, not a hard core number that must be adhered to. Besides this
whole definition thing changes every season. All of this because
Rollercoasters are Da Bomb.
Kevin
Fred
This is intelligent and perceptive writing.
Your idea about the threshold "grey area" of 150' is a logical
explanation of why the size of large wooden coasters end where they do,
and the size of most hypercoasters begin.
I never heard it put this way before, but your analysis makes perfect
sense to me (and probably to most of our structural engineering pals out
there.)
I also agree with you that it is probably wise to accept as many
"marketing terms" as we can.....so we can have a park in the future that
has examples of, say, a hyper-twister, a hyper-out-and-back AND a
speedcoaster. In other words, the more categories created, the greater
liklihood that a park will consider building an example of that type of
ride (even if it has similarities to an already existing ride.)
Yep, I agree with everything you say.
And....this is why it would be to our disadvantage to ever call Steel
Phantom or
any other giant looper a hypercoaster.
Remember, "wood inspired" should ONLY mean non-looping.
And if a park does NOT own a hypercoaster example (even if it has an
older Arrow mega-looper that has a large drop approaching 200 feet), it
may then feel a greater need to build another giant steelie. And, of
course, this means one more excuse to build a brand NEW coaster for all
of us enthusiasts to enjoy!
FRED of LA
who believes that the key to successful capitalistic marketing is to do
ANYTHING necessary to create the SENSE of DESIRE
for something NEW.
(....even if it means creating somewhat redundant categories....)
coast...@yahoo.com
> Remember, "wood inspired" should ONLY mean non-looping.
>
But SFAW was SUPPOSED to get a wooden looper last year.... :)
Jacob Atkinson
--
White Knuckle Coasting: The Bigfoot Way
http://members.xoom.com/coasterstud/bigfoot2.html
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