Space Mountain - Disneyland Paris
BKittyhawk
three inversions, and a launch which blasts guests up the side of the
mountain before they enter it at the top. And, it is amazing.
MrOBSS
have any deatiled info on it? WHo built it, etc.
--Robb.
MrOBSS
them? I could scan and post somewhere. I would imagine there is already
pics posted, but if not, I would be happy to do so.
--Robb.
Brian D. Zill
>
>Has anyone else been on this ride? I thought it was great! Does anyone
>have any deatiled info on it? WHo built it, etc.
>
>--Robb.
Yeah, I've been on it and agree that it's great. Definitely the best coaster
of any Disney park. For those that don't know anything about it, it features
a flywheel kick-start, a loop, and a corkscrew. It's one of only two Disney
park coasters to have an inversion, the other being the Indiana Jones coaster
at the same park. Sorry, but I don't have any detailed info on it.
I've been to all four Disney parks, and I'd rate Paris #2 with Anahiem #1,
Toyko #3 and Orlando #4. The only problem with Paris is that it is a little
small. Once they build it up, it may be a better Disneyland than even the
original.
--Brian
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Alan Baldwin
60 minute queue -- Space Mountain at Disneyland Paris is different
and must take the record for the first cars with REAL music -- I'm
not sure if this is actually a first but I can't find a record of
any other coaster with an on board music system.
The music is digitised, multi-track, and stored in RAM memory
chips (NOT tape or CD), an expensive, but logical concept which
does not suffer from distortions due to motion accelerations
from ride dynamics. The music was specially composed so that
segments could be repetitively 'looped' whil'st a train (one
of five) is in a particular part of the ride. Full merits
are due to the composer of the music - his 'pace and chase'
sequences really 'make' this ride into an outstanding
experience and Vekoma have built a superb stereo system
into the seats of this train. (and comfortable yokes!)
I wonder if 1996 will see other variants of these innovative
Vekoma 'audio' trains on new and even existing rides?
I hope so.
Alan Baldwin,
al...@arvism.demon.co.uk.
Reality!
mro...@aol.com (MrOBSS) wrote:
>Has anyone else been on this ride? I thought it was great! Does anyone
>
>--Robb.
Robb,
Discovery Mountain (Original Name) was built by Vekoma and was designed
by Imagineering designers and ride engineers working along with Vekoma
engineers. The design process took over a year due to the challenge of trying
to get all the ride elements into the space given. The ride was literally built
from the start to the finish. Each new element had to clear previously designed
elements. When the track layout was finished, then the columns were added.
With outdoor roller coasters you can layout the thrill elements then connect
them. Engineering puts the correct curves, drops, brake zones, etc. needed to
maintain the correct speed and momentum.
When Vekoma was told what thrill elements were requested, they indicated
that a space three times that given would be required to accomplish the design.
It's an indication of the talent and skill of the Vekoma and Imagineering
Engineers that they were able to fit all of that ride in that 63m dia. building.
Reality!
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Brendan Hooley
restraints to it's Space Mountain(there are plans for complete redesign
of the ride, including adding inversions, over the upcoming 2 year
Tomorrowland re
disign), but the system was unexpectedly shut down after the computer
running the system fried itself.
HeyLowNine
sna...@ix.netcom.com(Brendan Hooley ) writes:
>Disneyland in Anaheim recently added the sound system and shoulder
>restraints to it's Space Mountain(
There are no shoulder restraints, just higher seat-backs.
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Dave Althoff
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MrOBSS
: >Disneyland in Anaheim recently added the sound system and shoulder
: >restraints to it's Space Mountain(
Unforunatly, chose a Dick Dale surf tune that does not follow the action
of the ride or fit the theme what so ever! What were those guys
thinking????
--Robb
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Alan Baldwin
>>> Disneyland in Anaheim recently added the sound system and shoulder
>>> restraints to it's Space Mountain
> Unforunately, chose a Dick Dale surf tune that does not follow the
> action > of the ride or fit the theme what so ever! What were those
> guys thinking????
Do you have any more information - I rode Space Mountain (DLP) several
times shortly after it opened and was very impressed by the music and
sound system.
The Paris sound tracks were specially composed, performed and recorded
to match the ride and, as I understand it, even had to be partly
re-written and re-recorded when a change was made to the ride duration.
I had assumed that other implementations, such as the Californian
installation, would also have specially composed music - so I am
wondering if there are other major differences between the Paris and
Californian versions - obviously the Paris version uses new Vekoma
trains with a speaker system designed into the seat backs.
I realise that the two rides are fundamentally different.
Have Disney Cal. changed their trains and-or seats or just bolted on
some speakers? One of the reasons (apart from the fact that it is
stored digitally in RAM memory) that the Paris music is so effective
is that each seat has four speakers adjacent to one's ears as well as
the other speakers on the cars thus providing a very effective stereo
'image' - just adding a few speakers to a car wouldn't provide the same
effect (or block out the sounds of screams, track noise etc.)
I would still like to get hold of a copy of the music from Space Mountain
Paris - does anyone know if Disney plan to publish this? Also I am
hoping that Alton Towers will eventually publish the dramatic theme music
played in the station and around the line-up area. This was promised when
the ride first opened but has not yet surfaced although Alton do sell a
tape of the 'Haunted House' and 'Toyland Tours' theme tracks - you can
purchase it from the horror shop next to the 'Haunted House'
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Alan Baldwin,
Manchester England
Moparbird
Sky" or "Riders in the Sky", they are both the same song. As for adding
inversions, I don't think that is possible unless they drastically
increased the size of the mountain, because if you ever see the ride with
the lights on, ther really isn't that much room in the building. Just me
talking
Mopa...@aol.com
Jason Thomas Hitesman
Is this the California or Florida SM (Is there a Calif one?)? I saw the
Florida SM about 7 years
ago with the lights on and I seem to remember quite a bit of space. I
still doubt they'd add inversions just because of how many changes would
have to be made (I'd guess at least different trains, and possibly
different track even).
I think I read somewhere that they've now removed the 'People mover' if
that's true then that opens up a LOT more room in the Mountain as well.
That's how I got to check out SM with the lights on. OF course this was 7
years ago so I may not have that clear of a memmory...
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Russ
>ago with the lights on and I seem to remember quite a bit of space. I
>still doubt they'd add inversions just because of how many changes would
>have to be made (I'd guess at least different trains, and possibly
>different track even).
>
>I think I read somewhere that they've now removed the 'People mover' if
>that's true then that opens up a LOT more room in the Mountain as well.
>That's how I got to check out SM with the lights on. OF course this was 7
>years ago so I may not have that clear of a memmory...
Please keep in mind that we are talking about Disney here... Disney has a
lot of bucks, I wouldn't be surprised if Disney added inversions to SM
even if it would entail re-doing much of the ride area...
GregSacto
>>> Disneyland in Anaheim recently added the sound system and shoulder
>>> restraints to it's Space Mountain
There are no changes in the restraints on Space Mt at Disneyland. The
ride has the same cars as always running on it (as of last weekend), they
have added a new housing that spans behind each row of seats and has
speakers in it. The sound system is not currently in use, maybe they'll
record a special track just for Disneyland. The new speaker housing is
very well designed and fits the cars/seats in a seamless fashion, though
it does cut down on forward visibility.
Greg Loe
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MrOBSS
it, and its been down since then.
The rumors that I have heard from the park employees, (again, rumors, and
being an ex-park employee I know that DIsneyland is the biggest rumor mill
in the world!) is that there is some consideration to tearing down the
'America Sings' building, a large structure at the back of tomorrowland
that houses the carousel theatre, and building a new space mountain. This
would be like the one in Euro Disneyland. I've havent heard what they
would do with the old Space mountain if this would happen. I've also
heard another rumor, which is similar, but instead of it being called
space mountain, it was to be Journey to the Centre of the earth.
I'm sure most of these rumors were started by some DIsneyland employee
who happened to be at WDI and saw concept sketches on the wall and assumed
whatever was on paper was fact! I'll believe it when they start breaking
ground!
Cheers.
Moparbird
the People Mover tracks (As far as I know) because a speeder bike ride is
supposed to use the tracks when Tomorrowland is redone.
Mopa...@aol.com
Tony W. Wittrien
Well, there is in fact a Calif. Space Mountain (Kind of
sacreligious to think that there wasn't considering that it was the
original..) and when the lights come on, it is quite interesting how
much space there really is....keep in mind though, that in the
California one, the ride is partially underground, so there is a lot
more space than it shows on the outside....Of course, it also needs
slightly more room than, say the Florida one, because the riders on the
Calif. version sit side by side, while the Florida version has them
sitting behind one another...I don't see how they could change the
layout of the Calif. track...
Is it true that they are getting rid of the Matterhorn ride? :(
Better days,
The-Nail
>
>Is this the California or Florida SM (Is there a Calif one?)? I saw
the
>Florida SM about 7 years
>ago with the lights on and I seem to remember quite a bit of space. I
>still doubt they'd add inversions just because of how many changes
would
>have to be made (I'd guess at least different trains, and possibly
>different track even).
>
>I think I read somewhere that they've now removed the 'People mover'
if
>that's true then that opens up a LOT more room in the Mountain as
well.
>That's how I got to check out SM with the lights on. OF course this
was 7
>years ago so I may not have that clear of a memmory...
>
Brendan Hooley
Wittrien ) writes:
>
>Hello...
>
> Well, there is in fact a Calif. Space Mountain (Kind of
>sacreligious to think that there wasn't considering that it was the
>original..) and when the lights come on, it is quite interesting how
>much space there really is....keep in mind though, that in the
>California one, the ride is partially underground, so there is a lot
>more space than it shows on the outside....Of course, it also needs
>slightly more room than, say the Florida one, because the riders on
the
>Calif. version sit side by side, while the Florida version has them
>sitting behind one another...I don't see how they could change the
>layout of the Calif. track...
>
>Is it true that they are getting rid of the Matterhorn ride? :(
>
>Better days,
>The-Nail
Well, I know that the Matterhorn is sinking, but as for actually
tearing it out.....
DABAK
a whole is ready to embark on a new wave of coaster building at its theme
parks worldwide. The upcoming WDW WILD ANIMAL KINGDOM theme park is
rumored to include more than one "themed adventure" coaster attraction in
its plans. Yes, Disney coasters are very different in many respects to
traditional amusement park and theme park coasters. Disney does emphasize
the themed adventure over the raw mechanics of rides (as does Disney's
rival, MCA/Universal, who also intends to add coasters to its Universal
City Florida Resort menu at its own upcoming Universal's ISLANDS OF
ADVENTURE theme park), and several vocal coaster "purists" in this
newsgroup and in ACE often grumble about this (and about that "theme park
mentality" b.s.) so often that the uninitiated may soon forget that the
majority of the park-going public seems to ENJOY these themed coaster
adventure attractions!
Yes, I enjoy more traditional roller coasters as much as any other ACEr,
but that doesn't mean we're somehow barred from also enjoying themed
coaster (and non-coaster) attractions just as much for their own
pleasures. The evolution of Disney's "themed" coasters deserves support
from coaster enthusiasts and "theme park/Disney" fans alike, since the
ultimate result of these efforts will probably please most of us - and in
unique ways that we can not enjoy at most parks.
Joe Schwartz
> I think the new Space Mountain at Disneyland Paris reflects that Disney as
> a whole is ready to embark on a new wave of coaster building at its theme
> parks worldwide. The upcoming WDW WILD ANIMAL KINGDOM theme park is
> rumored to include more than one "themed adventure" coaster attraction in
> its plans. Yes, Disney coasters are very different in many respects to
> traditional amusement park and theme park coasters. Disney does emphasize
> the themed adventure over the raw mechanics of rides (as does Disney's
> rival, MCA/Universal, who also intends to add coasters to its Universal
> City Florida Resort menu at its own upcoming Universal's ISLANDS OF
> ADVENTURE theme park), and several vocal coaster "purists" in this
> newsgroup and in ACE often grumble about this (and about that "theme park
> mentality" b.s.) so often that the uninitiated may soon forget that the
> majority of the park-going public seems to ENJOY these themed coaster
> adventure attractions!
I've never seen the phrase "theme park mentality" used to describe
excessive theming of rides. When I use that phrase (and when I see it used
by others here), it means a particular attitude of a park towards its
guests, as expressed by certain park policies and the behavior of the park
employees. Parks suffering from "theme park mentality" treat their guests
as an afterthought, as if the guests should be thankful that they were
allowed through the front gate.
The phrase doesn't imply that all theme parks suffer from this attitude, or
that it's limited only to theme parks. The park with the most TPM, in my
opinion, isn't a theme park -- it's Riverside (Agawam, MA). And I think
most of the people here would agree that the Disney theme parks display
little or no TPM.
Regarding the theming of coasters, I have nothing against a lot of theming.
I think a great example of a themed thrill ride is the Twilight Zone Tower
of Terror at Disney/MGM. The theming definitely adds to the excitement,
and doesn't detract at all from the ride.
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>
> The Dick Dale song was chosen because of its name "Ghost Riders in the
> Sky" or "Riders in the Sky", they are both the same song. As for adding
> inversions, I don't think that is possible unless they drastically
> increased the size of the mountain, because if you ever see the ride with
> the lights on, ther really isn't that much room in the building. Just me
> talking
Just my own opinion, but Disney doesn't seem like it would put loops in
any rides--just not very family oriented.
Whatd'yasay?
Sluggo
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John Nagy
>sacreligious to think that there wasn't considering that it was the
>original..) and when the lights come on, it is quite interesting how
>much space there really is.
No, SPACE MOUNTAIN at Disneyland is not the original. That claim goes
to SPACE MOUNTAIN at Walt Disney World in Florida which opened in 1975,
even though Walt Disney came up with the concept for the ride in 1966.
California's didn't open until 1977. The ride is also great riding with
the lights on. Lots of stucture and fine del-capoes.
>Keep in mind though, that in the California one, the ride is partially
>underground, so there is a lot more space than it shows on the
>outside....Of course, it also needs slightly more room than, say the
>Florida one, because the riders on the Calif. version sit side by
>side, while the Florida version has them sitting behind one
>another...I don't see how they could change the layout of the Calif.
>track...
SPACE MOUNTAIN at DL was built 15 ft. below ground level so that the
outside structure would fit into Disneyland's size scale. IMHO, I don't
see DL changing the layout.
>Is it true that they are getting rid of the Matterhorn ride? :(
>
This definately NOT true. It's been 17 years since The MATTERHORN was
first re-modeled in 1978. DL may remove old 1959 rotting wood and steel
supports inside the mountain (which will take time) and will probably
touch up on the theming. But this all remains to be seen.
Dwayne L. Allen
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Moparbird
the lackluster Indiana Jones coaster in Paris, and the totally BITCHIN'
Space Mountain in Paris.
Mopa...@aol.com
RobertDM3
Disney Paris has a loop now, mainly to increase the thrill potential over
the family aspects.
Wedway
: Actually, my understanding is that the Big Thunder Mountain Railroad in at
: Disney Paris has a loop now, mainly to increase the thrill potential over
: the family aspects.
This is not the case. The only two looping coasters at
Disneyland Paris are Space Mountain and Indiana Jones Et Le Temple Du
Peril. Their Thunder is awesome - but a loop? Nope. That would blow
theming and show.
Richard West
Editor, Theme Park Adventure