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Coaster in this week's 'Fringe' (Episode name: August)

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Zizzy

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Nov 20, 2009, 9:32:32 PM11/20/09
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What coaster and park are featured in this past week's episode of
Fringe?

http://www.hulu.com/watch/107037/fringe-august

(Forward to 42:35 to see the coaster segment)

Fringe's production moved from Boston to Vancouver for this 2nd
season, in case that helps.

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Nov 20, 2009, 10:14:32 PM11/20/09
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:32:32 -0800 (PST), Zizzy <zizzyb...@gmail.com>
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I was gonna post the same thing, but I assumed someone would beat me to it.

I'm assuming that it's Vancouver Playland's "Coaster".


As for production, I don't think it ever was in Boston full time. I'm
pretty sure, it's always been in Vancouver, with some outside shots taken
in Boston.

When shows and movies are filmed in Boston, everyone knows about it.


In fact, if anyone saw, the Bruce Willis sci-fi film The Surrogates, my
bedroom windows should have made a brief appearance. They filmed a few
outside scenes outside the building next to mine. One day, I was coming
home with some new fish for my aquariums, and had to wait while Bruce drove
10 feet, stopped and jumped out of the car and ran up a small flight of
stairs -- all several times. Some were saying that it was a stunt double,
but if you need a stunt double to run up 6 stars, then you shouldn't be an
action hero! ;-)

Everyone was all excited to watch. I just wanted to get the fishies to
their new homes!

One morning I woke up and went to get the mail, only to almost trip over
what seemed like a body at the top of my hallway stairs. Then I saw the
15-20 other bloody "bodies" in the hallway! It only took me a minute to
realize what was going on, but it was still pretty freaky for that minute!

Maybe they should have warned us that they'd be using our hallway for
storage of fake dead bodies?

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mamoosh

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Nov 20, 2009, 10:16:02 PM11/20/09
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On Nov 20, 6:32 pm, Zizzy <zizzybaloo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> What coaster and park are featured in this past week's episode of
> Fringe?

That would be the wooden coaster at Playland in Vancouver:

http://www.rcdb.com/320.htm

Zizzy

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Nov 21, 2009, 9:04:45 AM11/21/09
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My mistake - they weren't in Boston but Toronto, then NYC, and moved
to Vancouver in the 2nd season.

http://tinyurl.com/aszs8x
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On Nov 20, 10:14 pm, "David H.--REMOVE \"STOPSPAM\" to reply"
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> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:32:32 -0800 (PST), Zizzy <zizzybaloo...@gmail.com>

> David H,  david...@STOPSPAMbellatlantic.net,  Boston, MA

Jim Shaffer

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Nov 21, 2009, 1:34:10 PM11/21/09
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On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:16:02 -0800 (PST), mamoosh
<msul...@ntmllc.com> wrote:

>That would be the wooden coaster at Playland in Vancouver:
>
>http://www.rcdb.com/320.htm

What kind of trains are those? At first glance in the show I thought
they were Millennium Flyers, but they didn't look quite right and the
track looked way too old to be a GCI (I had no idea what coaster it
was.)

Joe Schwartz

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Nov 21, 2009, 1:58:29 PM11/21/09
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Jim Shaffer <jmsh...@windstream.net> wrote:

I believe they're Prior & Church trains, or at least faithful replicas.
I have a few more photos here:

http://JoeRollerfan.com/sets/72157622429737442/detail/

David Sandborg

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Nov 21, 2009, 1:59:30 PM11/21/09
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In article <4gcgg5hu9s8hh9aqk...@4ax.com>,
Jim Shaffer <jmsh...@windstream.net> wrote:

God forbid. Not 100% sure but I believe those are the original trains,
based directly on Prior and Church trains. Any kind of "modern" train
on that coaster would be a travesty.

The way this coaster shows up in movies and TV shows so often, you'd
think they were filming on it constantly...

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mamoosh

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Nov 21, 2009, 2:07:41 PM11/21/09
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On Nov 21, 10:58 am, Joe Schwartz <j...@joyrides.com> wrote:

> I believe they're Prior & Church trains, or at least faithful replicas.
> I have a few more photos here:
>
>  http://JoeRollerfan.com/sets/72157622429737442/detail/

They are replicas of Prior & Church trains (I think done by the ride's
designer, Carl Phare) that have been running on the ride since it
opened. The only running P&Cs in the USA are on the Puyallup woodie.

Joe Schwartz

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Nov 21, 2009, 3:54:46 PM11/21/09
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mamoosh <msul...@ntmllc.com> wrote:

Thanks, Moosh. I knew one of those two had original P&C trains, but I
couldn't remember which one.

mamoosh

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Nov 21, 2009, 6:16:06 PM11/21/09
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On Nov 21, 12:54 pm, Joe Schwartz <j...@joyrides.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Moosh.  I knew one of those two had original P&C trains, but I
> couldn't remember which one.

Anytime, Joe : - )

It's a shame that there are some coasters out there that still have
their P&C trains in storage. Rye's Dragon and both California seaside
Dippers are three of 'em. I still remember Dad taking me on my very
first wood coaster: Belmon't Dipper in 1972 (I think it was called
Earthquake then). We sat in the very last row of the P&C trains. It
was quite a different ride than the Morgan dish out today....sigh.

mofo911

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Nov 22, 2009, 2:21:18 AM11/22/09
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On Nov 20, 6:32 pm, Zizzy <zizzybaloo...@gmail.com> wrote:

I live in Vancouver, and I was looking very closely at the Roller
coaster scene because I believe it is the famous wooden roller coaster
at the Pacific National Exhibition.

There is one shot where they're going up the coaster where it does not
look like the correct background, but I believe they may have been
shooting the SECOND climb, which would put a giant parking lot behind
them. IF they were going up the first drop, behind them would lie
Hastings Street.

Everything else seems correct, especially the buildings behind and in
front of the Observers at the very end.

But the long and short of it is this: There's only one roller coaster
in Vancouver that looks like that. If this show is indeed filmed
here, that was "The Coaster". Here's a YouTube video I took of the
same ride, just this last summer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXDk7_4C2n8

I'm 99.999% sure I'm correct.

Cheers,
-mofo911

Randy Rasmussen

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Nov 22, 2009, 3:01:41 PM11/22/09
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Carl Phare designed the trains on the PNE coaster. Many years ago, I had
the opportunity to study the blueprints for them . The design of the pivot
for the front of the pilot car is different than that on Fred Church's
trains. The wheels also have flat treads, whereas Church used tapered wheel
treads. Tapered treads provide a smaller surface area where the wheels
contacts the track. On paper, at least, this allowed them to to have lower
rolling resistance. Although they look very similar, there are probably
many other small technical differences between the car designs.

I'm not sure if it's still the case, but Washington State Fair coaster, also
designed by Carl Phare, used to run two Carl Phare trains, and one Prior and
Church train from the defunct Hastings Park Giant Dipper. It would be
interesting to know if there were/are any differences in the running times
between the two designs. It's also possible that at some point over the
years, the original tapered-tread wheels on the Giant Dipper train were
replaced with flat-tread wheels.

- Randy


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Nov 23, 2009, 1:22:36 AM11/23/09
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Of course you're correct! just finished watching the episode on my
XBMC, and my wife said I was acting all giddy like a kid, because I
had noticed during their (agent Dunham and her Niece) ascent you can
clearly see The CANADIAN FLAG waving happy and pround in the
background. Yah Canada!!!!

Coaster Enthusiasts of Canada

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Nov 23, 2009, 8:55:09 PM11/23/09
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mamoosh wrote:

>On Nov 21, 10:58=A0am, Joe Schwartz <j...@joyrides.com> wrote:
>> I believe they're Prior & Church trains, or at least faithful replicas.
>> I have a few more photos here:
>>

>> =A0http://JoeRollerfan.com/sets/72157622429737442/detail/

> They are replicas of Prior & Church trains (I think done by the ride's
> designer, Carl Phare) that have been running on the ride since it
> opened.

*** That is correct. The trains track really well because they are
trailered, single-row seats.

Here are some comments - I think second-hand from Walker Leroy, the
ride's builder:

The three 16-passenger trains are built with several safety
features patented by Carl Phare. The trains are actually separate
trailers behind a four-wheel pilot car. The front two wheels on
the pilot car are free, enabling greater speed and turnability.
Each seat that follows is actually a separate trailer, coupled to
the one ahead by a special coupling that has been tested pulling
loaded freight cars. On most other coasters each set of three
seats sits on four wheels - in effect a box with a wheel in
each corner. The result in that the wheels are rigidly fixed and
often one wheel of the four will actually be off the track. This
reduces both the safety and the speed of the train.

On the PLAYLAND dipper's specially designed trains, each seat
has its own set of wheels so that the wheels remain on the track
at all times. The combination of a pilot car and the separate
wheels for each seat enable the train to reach higher speeds with
greater safety.
--------


> The only running P&Cs in the USA are on the Puyallup woodie.

*** Those came from Happyland's "Giant Dipper".

http://www.CEC.chebucto.org/ClosPark/HappLand.html

Richard Bonner

Managing Director:
The Coaster Enthusiasts of Canada
www.CEC.chebucto.org

Coaster Enthusiasts of Canada

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Nov 23, 2009, 9:00:14 PM11/23/09
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Randy Rasmussen wrote:
>Carl Phare designed the trains on the PNE coaster. Many years ago, I had
>the opportunity to study the blueprints for them . The design of the pivot
>for the front of the pilot car is different than that on Fred Church's
>trains. The wheels also have flat treads, whereas Church used tapered wheel
>treads. Tapered treads provide a smaller surface area where the wheels
>contacts the track. On paper, at least, this allowed them to to have lower
>rolling resistance. Although they look very similar, there are probably
>many other small technical differences between the car designs.
(Snip)

>It's also possible that at some point over the
>years, the original tapered-tread wheels on the Giant Dipper train were
>replaced with flat-tread wheels.

>- Randy

*** I would think that tapered surfaces would wear faster and become
flat after many decades anyway. Surely though, after half a century, the
wheels would not still be original.

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