Holiday World - what time is it?

[surfd...@aol.com]

I forget from my visits years ago, but does the area of Indiana that Holiday World is in practice daylight saving time? I want to make sure we don't arrive an hour early or late from Louisville on my visit this Saturday. Is it the same time that it is in Eastern Standard Time?

[skiguy777]

Santa Claus Indiana is in the Central Time zone. They are one hour behind EST. I was just there and it was one hour behind. It was kinda funny because I left the Lousiville area around 9am thinking I was going to arrive HW a little late, but actually ended up early, making the rope drop in the July 4 section and walking back to Thurnderbird. I was like 5th in line, asked the guard if I could ride in the front, he said OK, but they are looking to pair people up.

HW opens at 10am, Splashing Safari (SS) opens at 11am. Takes about 1.5 hours to reach HW from Lousiville depending on if you need gas or not. There's a Racetrac gas station half way there. Use GasBuddy to find it.

Pick up food before you go. Stop at Whole Foods and pick up pasta salad. You can keep it cold by filling gallon zip lock bags with ice and wrapping in a towel.

If you leave the Lousiville area just before 9am, you'll get to HW on time.

When you approach HW, you'll see a sign telling you to go straight for the legend lot. Turn right here and go to the main parking lot. You should get a spot up front, which will make it easy to come back at lunch time.

Now the question will be whether you walk in carrying a towel for SS while you wear a bathing suit, or leave the change of cloths in the car and come back for lunch.

They do have single rider line for Wildebeast and Mammoth, so that won't be a problem getting on those.

[westernpa...@gmail.com]

As stated, CST.

The part that always gets me is when I stay in the area. You can stay in a hotel 30 or so minutes away (depending on the direction you drive) and be in a different time zone. Confusing for sure...

[surfd...@aol.com]

I knew HW was in CST, I know some parts of Indiana don't participate in daylight saving though, so wasn't sure if HW was part of that area. Thanks !!!

[tvdu...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 11:11:44 AM UTC-4, surfd...@aol.com wrote:
> I knew HW was in CST, I know some parts of Indiana don't participate in daylight saving though, so wasn't sure if HW was part of that area. Thanks !!!

All of Indiana does DST now.

[surfd...@aol.com]

Ah ok! As you can see, it's been a while! It was really confusing on previous trips there.

[thekma...@gmail.com]

Jun 25surfd...@aol.com wrote: "I knew HW was in CST, I know some parts of Indiana

don't participate in daylight saving though, so wasn't sure if HW was part of that area. Thanks !!!"

DST authority here: As stipulated in the 1966 UTA(Uniform Time Act), Any state
wishing to participate in DST - the entire state had to, and for the entire period
(originally from April-end to October-end). Exempt were Native American Reserv.


I'm slowly attempting to circulate the idea of permanent "half-hour saving" time
(clocks permanently 30 minutes ahead of standard), so as to satisfy all and to end
the useless practice.


And I know about 10 of you have "for the farmers" on the tips of your tongues and
fingertips - ERRRR!! Wrrrong! Farmers were actually the group most OPPOSED
to DST.

[dr. m]

Here's hoping you succeed. I hate having to turn the clocks back in November, it just never feels right to me. Also, there's a statistical increase in car accidents in the days following both the start and end of DST.

[thekma...@gmail.com]

dr m: The time in November is
closer to sun time(standard time) -
or as close as zoned time can
get.

If not for DST, there would be
late sunrises only for a couple
months of the year(winter),
and no shock of suddenly darker
evenings at the end of DST every
fall.

Personally, I am in perpetual jet-
lag whenever Saving/Summer Time
is in use: the time on the clock just
doesn't jibe with the position of sun
in the sky.

[dr. m]

I'm the opposite, but regardless I like the idea of splitting the difference and keeping it 30 minutes ahead like you said. Should make everybody happy.

[thekma...@gmail.com]

dr. m: Let's be clear that I am the ONLY PERSON IN NORTH
AMERICA who prefers early sunrises to late sunsets...

seriously! I have this debate with nearly everyone
possessing a pulse.


Besides, night time's for sleeping, not for getting in
eighteen holes between 9 & 11pm for Petes sakes.

[surfd...@aol.com]

So while driving from Louisville to HW today, the time didn't change on our phones or on the rental car clock until about 5 miles to the park, which means a lot of western Indiana (about an hours worth of driving) does not participate in daylight saving time. So while HW is indeed an hour behind Louisville and EST, not all of Indiana is.

[thekma...@gmail.com]

I'm genuinely surprised by that, as it flies in the face of the
regulation concerning summer time that I mentioned - that
an entire state must observe DST, and observe it for full
duration.


Are you sure it wasn't just those services that were lagging,
or was the time genuinely different in (non-Indian Reservation)
parts of Indiana? Bank signs, clock towers, time announced
on the radio, etc?

[Heather Kendrick]

In article <5abae6ec-5780-404a...@googlegroups.com>,

That's because most of Indiana is on Eastern time and Holiday World is
in one of the minority of counties that are on Central time. All of
Indiana currently observes daylight saving time.

<http://www.timetemperature.com/tzus/indiana_time_zone_map.shtml>
--
Heather, the Carousel Rabbit

[William December Starr]

In article <d49b5620-1d41-49d9...@googlegroups.com>,

"dr. m" <timoth...@gmail.com> said:

> Here's hoping you succeed. I hate having to turn the clocks back
> in November, it just never feels right to me.

I love doing that: it adds a 25th hour to the day.

It's turning the clock _ahead_ in March that I hate.

-- wds

[surfd...@aol.com]

Not sure to the answer to your question, but all our devices changed at the same time. Surprisingly though, on the way back at night, they all didn't change until about 30 miles past the point that they changed on the way there. We were still another 30+ miles to Kentucky though at that point....

[surfd...@aol.com]

Hmmmmm... So upon a quick search, it seems that the state is in 2 different time zones. Since 2006, all counties in the state observe daylight saving time (so I wasn't remembering wrong that some counties don't observe DST from my first Indiana visit in 2003). This visit I guess we crossed over the time zone and that Holiday World is in Central.

Interesting read:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Indiana

[thekma...@gmail.com]

Heather Carousel Rabbit wrote: "- show quoted text -

That's because most of Indiana is on Eastern time and Holiday World is
in one of the minority of counties that are on Central time. All of "

Ok, an exception I was unawares of: A time zone border
runs through the state. Understandable now. :)

[thekma...@gmail.com]

William December Starr wrote: "It's turning the clock

_ahead_ in March that I hate. "

DITTO HERE!! When DST started in late April(before
1987) I hardly noticed the difference because the sun
was rising at 5am before the clock advance.

[thekma...@gmail.com]

Thanks Surfdance!

States like Arizona keep it simple - NO Stupid Time at
all. (except Indian reservations).

[surfd...@aol.com]

I think we should just use regular time always. Why can't people do their day an hour earlier if they need daylight in summer? It's bizarre being in Kings Island and it not getting dark too past 9:30pm. So hard to get a night ride on the Beast!!!!!

[thekma...@gmail.com]

I think we are the only two people who feel
this way Surfer. TV also doesn't help, with
more late-night shows. Folks stay up watching
until 12midnight or 1am, then sleep through
several useful hrs of daylight!

Seems like DST was made for THEM! lol

[dsch...@ix.netcom.com]

On Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 6:53:41 AM UTC-4, surfd...@aol.com wrote:
> Not sure to the answer to your question, but all our devices changed at the same time. Surprisingly though, on the way back at night, they all didn't change until about 30 miles past the point that they changed on the way there. We were still another 30+ miles to Kentucky though at that point....

Apparently the border between the time zones runs very close to I-64. According to the entry in this blog, the highway crosses back and forth several times along that stretch and, depending on whether you're heading east or west and which county you're traveling through, you switch from one zone to the other:

http://www.howderfamily.com/blog/time-zone-craziness/

Dana Schwartz (still alive, but living several hundred miles further south and west in EST/EDT these days; if this shows up looking funky or misplaced in the thread, sorry - posted through Google Groups)

[surfd...@aol.com]

Ah, thanks, Dana. That probably explains it. And thanks for posting!

[dr. m]

People can't do their day an hour earlier because they still work 9-5. Most people like the extra hour of sunlight because they're not early risers or vampires. Doesn't matter if the early morning is light or not because their eyes are still halfway plastered shut from eye boogers.

[thekma...@gmail.com]

dr. m wrote: "People can't do their day an hour earlier

because they still work 9-5."

That's an industry hangup.
I'm sure working 8-4 could become the norm if attitudes
change. Imagine Dolly Parton singing "workin' 8 to 4"!

" Most people like the extra hour of sunlight because
they're not early risers or vampires. "

Daylight/Summer Time does NOT repeat NOT add
sunlight. It shifts that light later in the day. My
belief is if you want "more daylight", get up earlier
and go to bed earler.

[dr. m]

On Sunday, June 28, 2015 at 1:30:26 PM UTC-4, thekma...@gmail.com wrote:
> dr. m wrote: "People can't do their day an hour earlier
> because they still work 9-5."
>
> That's an industry hangup.
> I'm sure working 8-4 could become the norm if attitudes
> change. Imagine Dolly Parton singing "workin' 8 to 4"!
>
> " Most people like the extra hour of sunlight because
> they're not early risers or vampires. "
>
> Daylight/Summer Time does NOT repeat NOT add
> sunlight. It shifts that light later in the day. My
> belief is if you want "more daylight", get up earlier
> and go to bed earler.

I DO know that... I don't want you to think I'm some kind of dumb-dumb... I just meant the extra hour of sunlight in the evening, versus in the morning.

[thekma...@gmail.com]

dr. m. wrote: "I DO know that... I don't want you to think I'm some kind of

dumb-dumb... I just meant the extra hour of sunlight in the evening, versus
in the morning. "

I tailored my commenT based on the fact that the majority of people
DO think DST actually lengthens daylight(including the news media). After
all, 90% of Americans were very easily convinced back then that Saddam
Hussein initiated the 9/11 attacks. Osama bin who?? lmao...


And "extra hour" is no better way to describe how DST works. It
still implies something was added or lengthened. Just sayin.

[Heather Kendrick]

In article <1007165f-ff4f-4176...@googlegroups.com>,

thekma...@gmail.com wrote:

> I tailored my commenT based on the fact that the majority of people
> DO think DST actually lengthens daylight(including the news media).

I really, really doubt that. It's shorthand, a figure of speech, to say
that it makes the evening longer; I cannot believe that an actual
majority of people believe it literally makes the sun stay out longer.
Not without a robust citation, anyway.

[thekma...@gmail.com]

Heather K: "I really, really doubt that. It's shorthand, a figure of speech,..."


Then you seriously misoverestimate the intellect
of your fellow citizens. Most of them still believe
another media myth: that DST was created "for
farmers".


And the success of "...Kardashians", "Bachelor/ette",
"Jersey Shore", etc.? Sounds like a real mensa
convention out there! lmao..


Part of the reason is that most folks are not up
early enough to notice what happens to sunrise
in March, when we "spring forward" the clocks.
I'm up between 6-6:30am, and all of sudden after
the change it's pitch dark! And my body doesn't
need a clock to tell me it's really still 5:30.

[William December Starr]

In article <ef9fdd44-0ecc-481f...@googlegroups.com>,

thekma...@gmail.com said:

> Heather K: "I really, really doubt that. It's shorthand, a figure of speech,..."
>
> Then you seriously misoverestimate the intellect
> of your fellow citizens. Most of them still believe
> another media myth: that DST was created "for
> farmers".

Do you have a citation to back up "the fact that the majority of

people DO think DST actually lengthens daylight(including the news

media)"?

(Or, for that matter, for "90% of Americans were very easily

convinced back then that Saddam Hussein initiated the 9/11

attacks.")

-- wds

[thekma...@gmail.com]

William December Starr:

Yes I do: It's called my own EARS and EYES.
If the media says it's so, then the vast majority
of folks are gonna believe it.

[William December Starr]

In article <c6f33015-ff91-4a4c...@googlegroups.com>,
thekma...@gmail.com said:

> William December Starr:

>
>> Do you have a citation to back up "the fact that the majority of
>> people DO think DST actually lengthens daylight(including the news
>> media)"?
>>
>> (Or, for that matter, for "90% of Americans were very easily
>> convinced back then that Saddam Hussein initiated the 9/11
>> attacks.")
>

> Yes I do: It's called my own EARS and EYES.

Sorry, that tactic doesn't work in reasoned discourse.

-- wds

[thekma...@gmail.com]

William December Starr:

You don't have to believe me, that's your perogative.

Some people even believe that DST makes sunrises
earlier in addition to sunset later.

PMHO!







(pulling my hair out..)

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"William December Starr" <wds...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:mmv7ue$ern$1...@panix2.panix.com...

> thekma...@gmail.com said:
>> William December Starr:
>>> Do you have a citation to back up "the fact that the majority of
>>> people DO think DST actually lengthens daylight(including the news
>>> media)"?

>> Yes I do: It's called my own EARS and EYES.
> Sorry, that tactic doesn't work in reasoned discourse.

thekma doesn't do reasoned discourse. It's beyond his limited
capabilities.

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<the...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6f4feff4-a972-4398...@googlegroups.com...

> DST authority here:

Bwaaaahahah. Thanks for the laugh, li'l buddy! "Authority." That's a
good one!

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<thekma...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:60ce4552-6886-4748...@googlegroups.com...

> Ok, an exception I was unawares of:

You, the "authority", were unawares? Don't you mean "underoos"?

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<thekma...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:aa880437-9e75-4365...@googlegroups.com
> I tailored my commend based on the fact that the majority of people

> DO think DST actually lengthens daylight

No, most people aren't idiots like you..

[thekma...@gmail.com]

Disregard this aashole, folks. We were having a good
conversation until it followed me over here. It denies
it is tracking my usenet/google grps activity, but
as you can see from it's four post it is full of SHIT.

[Heather Kendrick]

In article <ef9fdd44-0ecc-481f...@googlegroups.com>,

thekma...@gmail.com wrote:

> Heather K: "I really, really doubt that. It's shorthand, a figure of
> speech,..."
>
>
> Then you seriously misoverestimate the intellect
> of your fellow citizens.

No, I really don't. I teach college and am well aware of how
startlingly ignorant people can be in a wide variety of areas. I just
haven't seen evidence that the majority of people literally believe that
legislation can change what the sun does, and you haven't provided any.
Anecdotes are especially ineffective for making statistical claims, so
the fact that you have met a few people who seem to believe this is far
from establishing that "the majority of Americans" believe it.

There are costs and benefits to abolishing DST. I'm by no means a big
advocate of it, and in fact lean against it. I lived in Indiana during
the time when it was not observed there, and I didn't miss it. I'm
quite open to arguments on this matter in either direction. However, it
looks to me as though you are attributing stupidity to its proponents in
order to make a sort of ad hominem argument against them. You don't
need to do that to make your case.

[thekma...@gmail.com]

Heather Kendrick: I certainly do not
hold citizens alone to blame for the misunderstandings
of DST. The very concept of how it works defies simple
explanation.


It's very simple: Society now lives by the clock and time
zones, not by the sun or planets. We do things by what
the clock says. Change the time on the clock, and we
will still do things at the same *clock* time, even if
by the *sun* we are doing them at a different time than
we used to.


I am typing this just before 9AM NY Eastern Daylight
Time. I can call it any time I want: 8AM, 10AM, and
continue to live by that time. It just means that the
sun will *appear* to rise and set an hour later or earlier
based on which way I moved the hands.


That is the concept which is so difficult to get across,
Heather. And the IDIOT-news media using phrases like,
"GET READY FOR MORE DAYLIGHT AS WE SPRING
FORWARD THIS COMING SUNDAY" does not help
things. LOL

[thekma...@gmail.com]

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< thekma @ shortbus.edu > wrote in message
news:d58a2e5f-9ae1-417a...@googlegroups.com...

> Heather Kendrick: I certainly do not
> hold citizens alone to blame for the misunderstandings
> of DST. The very concept of how it works defies simple
> explanation.

Only if you're too stupid to understand, which includes you, of
course.

> <idiotic dumbfuck rant flushed>

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< thekma @ gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d305e2be-8bbf-43ad...@googlegroups.com...
> And YOU STAY THE FUCK OUT!
Is that foul-mouthed "filthy diatribe" addressed to me, li'l buddy?
Since you're to stupid to handle the quoting properly, it's not always
clear.

> Let Kendrick and other rational people converse!!
I'm not preventing anyone from conversing. Anyone can converse, even
an irrational dumbfuck such as you.

> STOP TRACKING ME.
I like the kooky kaps-lok. Nice! You post on a public world-wide
forum, for all to see, and you think I'm "tracking" you.

> Look out your window right now.
Is that you riding the short bus wearing a hockey helmet?

[thekma...@gmail.com]

Heather Carousel, December Starr, Surfdance, et al:

Be forewarned: Do NOT engage "N__e" Once you
do, it will have access to your IP addresses and God
knows whatever personal information about you. If it
insists it cannot track your whereabouts on Usenet or
Google Groups, it is LYING.

Report "N__e" in the same fashion I have, even to
the FBI. Simply ignoring it will not make it give up
or go away. Your personal identities are at stake!

You have been served.

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< thekma @ shortbus.com> wrote in message
news:a0796283-fa77-4c0d...@googlegroups.com...

> Heather Carousel, December Starr, Surfdance, et al:
>
> Be forewarned: Do NOT engage "N__e" Once you
> do, it will have access to your IP addresses

Don't be such a dumbfuck. All Usenet posts contain an IP address. It
makes no differene who you are or are not responding to.

> and God knows whatever personal information about you.

If there's "personal information" in your post, it's because you put
it there, and if it's there, anyone at all can read it, as long as
they're not a dumbfuck.

> If it insists it cannot track your whereabouts on Usenet

You still seem to have some fantasy that I'm "tracking" you. You make
public posts on a public world-wide Usenet newsgroup, and I can
respond to those posts. I'm not tracking or doing something magical
with IP addresses or anything like that, although to a dumbfuck like
you, all of this internet stuff probably seems like magic. Everything
I know about you is from information that you yourself posted online.

> Google Groups, it is LYING.

Hehe. Again with the gurgle gropes. I don't use Google Groups. If you
do, and it scares you, it's your own fault.

> Report "N__e" in the same fashion I have,

Which does nothing at all, except perhaps to annoy people at Google
for a few moments before your whining is summarily deleted. I don't
use Google Groups, so "reporting" me to them is like whining to your
mommy that the sun came up too late.

> even the the FBI.

Don't forget the NSA, Interpol, and Smersh. And Hawaii 5-0. Like the
FBI, none of them gives a fuck about your crybaby whining. Maybe
someone our there is annoyed enough by your whining to put your pimply
face on a dart board. Thekma, goalie on his shortbus darts team.

> Simply ignoring it will not make it give up or go away.

You haven't tried that yet, have you. You've started entire threads
about me; that's how you "ignore" me? Fucking ignoramus.

No, and you're too stupid to know how to get me to stop responding to
you, even though I (and others) have laid it out for you, repeatedly,
in terms even a simpleton could undersytand. But you're just too
stupid to get it. You're no ordinary simpleton. You could post on
moderated forums, where I can be censored, but you're bound to get
TOSsed, as always, because you're too much of a fucking asshole and
too stupid to follow the rules.

> Your personal identities are at stake!

Beware! Simply replying to my posts put your identities at stake! Not
really; only In the imaginary world of a whining dumbfuck, who
repeatedly indicates that he thinks everyone is as much of a moron as
he is.

> You have been served.

You have been tested, and you have failed. Another year in
kindergarten for you!

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< dumm-fukk @ short-bus.edu > wrote in message
news:a0796283-fa77-4c0d...@googlegroups.com...
> Be forewarned: Do NOT engage "N__e" ...

Do those underscores magically protect you from someone reading what
you posted? I would have thought the tinfoil lining of your hockey
helmet would take care of that. If mention those underscores in the
future, will you start blubbering that I'm using underscores to
"track" you? I think I may try that; one of your responsibilities as
the village idiot is to be entertaining. Claiming you're a DST
"authority" was one of the funniest things you've posted in a while.