> First, you're pulling a pretty infamous technique here where you only quote portions of my response, an ignore some of my key points for which you seemingly have no response.
Some of it isn't pertinent to my response. I don't need to discuss with you about whether or not someone can rank a junior wood coaster #1.
>Especially if you don't know how you come up with the "best" coasters, or at least that's what you to have implied.
I have preferences as a rider for certain things. Other people have other preferences. I'm not interested in devaluing someone else's preferences. I'm certainly willing to question someone's opinions based on experiences (or lack thereof), but not their preferences for what they want in rides.
[quote]Also, you said that if cause you physical discomfort.... Not sure what you meant because you went on to describe a coaster ride, but I guess you meant they wouldn't be your best or favorites. [/quote]
I was explicitly clear. Being "extreme" does not a great ride make for me.
>My entire point on talking about my back, and people in good shape, is that Skyrush and other intense coasters don't cause most people physical discomfort, or that is any sort of problem whatsoever. If coasters are causing physical discomfort to that level I would suggest not riding,nor ranking them.
LOL, what are your criteria for an legitimate criticism of a ride for inflicting pain vs. an illegitimate criticism?
>For that reason I won't rank flat rides I can't ride, nor put them down or say they're aren't the best. I simply can't ride them ,or don't feel comfortable doing so. <
If I could not physically ride something because of my state, I wouldn't rank it because I couldn't ride it. If I can ride plenty of things and am in generally fine health and find a ride to be suboptimal, I'm not interested in vetting that opinion among peers before having it.
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> For the time I could not ride some coasters due to discomfort, I didn't think they were't good anymore, or change my rankings. Why would I? They didn't change, I did? I know it's all subjective, and others don't rank coasters the same way. What I'm saying is that sometimes there are coasters that I have issues with but I wouldn't dare say they suck, or aren't clearly a great coaster, simply for the fact that I can't ride it or don't prefer it. I will fully admit that El Toro is one of the best woodies, even if it's not in my top 10. It's a quality coaster, and deserves a high ranking. I can see that. I would assume that those people who bash Skyrush would at least recognize it is one of the "best", even if they don't rank it high. I used Phoenix as another example for me, and why it is not the "best" for me, but I recognize that is a very good coaster and high ranking. I actually really love Goliath at SFMM, love the extreme G's. Not uncomfortable for me, nor ever made me come even close to passing out. I think that is great for the big drops and the extremie
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> G's. I think it's a bit presumptuous for others to pan the ride, and rannk it lower, simply because they otherwise can't handle an element on the coaster.
Presumptuous? I don't want to go on a ride that causes me to lose consciousness. There's zero interest from me in having a roller coaster do that.
>Another example, I can't really handle the 3rd row on Magnum, but I love the >coaster and simply ride in the 2nd row, or 2nd to back seat. Still a great >coaster and I haven't lowered my ranking because I can't handle all the rows >anymore... My point is that all coasters are not for everyone, but why do >people go ape shit over something they can't ride but like 80-90% of the >population has no problem with?
80-90% of the population doesn't have a problem with any rides, including those generally considered terrible. I seriously doubt Great America in Santa Clara has spent 15-20 years fielding complaints about Grizzly from anyone but enthusiasts.
>I still think Magnum is great ride, and would rec0gonize that even if I could never have handled it. Hey, I couldn't fit on MF and TTD on my last visit, but I still have then ranked high! Should I put them down or rank them lower because I can't ride them?
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Why should I even rank coasters based on my own preferences? Why should I rank them at all? I guess I don't, so I solved that conundrum.
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If a Mauch Chunk Railroad style attraction still existed, it might be terrifying enough to be among "the best". It would certainly be more thrilling than The Beast.
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> As for Hades and the Boss, when they opened they were very polarizing, I know many who had them in their top 5 or top 10, especially for Hades. I wasn't talking about Hades 360. The numbers were more split.
I'm specifically discussing Hades 360. It is effectively the same ride with a barrel roll and new trains. BTW, want to take any bets on where Hades first showed up on Mitch's poll?