rec.roller-coaster FAQ, part 1/3: General info & introduction
Geoff Allen
Last-modified: Thu Dec 02, 1993; 09:10:12 MST
Welcome to the world of Roller-Coaster fanaticism!
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This article, and the two that follow it, make up the regular info
posting for rec.roller-coaster, the net's own asylum for coaster
fanatics. In this posting, you'll find everything (or, almost
everything) you need to know to be a coaster fanatic, too!
Enjoy your ride!!!!
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Changes from the last posting:
Well, there are really too many to list this time. Lots of
things have changed in the couple of months since I've changed
jobs, moved, and totally turned my life upside down.
Specific things you'll want to check out, though, due to major
changes, are the "Coming Attractions" and "Roller Coaster
Ratings" sections. There are also a few new definitions.
Some other things have changed as well, but it's been a couple
of months; you really wanted to reread the whole thing, didn't
you. ;^)
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Contents:
Part 1 (this part):
1. Newsgroup Charter -- rec.roller-coaster
2. Usenet info
3. About this document
Part 2:
4. Common abbreviations
5. Definitions of Roller-Coaster terms
6. Roller Coaster/Amusement Park Organizations
A. American Coaster Enthusiasts - ACE
B. Mid-Atlantic Coaster Club - MACC
C. Western New York Coaster Club - WNYCC
D. First Drop - U.K. Coaster Club
E. National Amusement Park Historical Association - NAPHA
F. National Carousel Association - NCA
7. References, Resources, etc.
A. Books on Roller Coasters and Amusement Parks
B. Magazines
C. FTP site
8. Other stuff of interest
A. Windows screen saver
B. Calendar
9. Amusement Industry Jobs
Part 3:
10. Lists, statistics, and other arcana
A. Roller Coaster Designer Info
B. Roller Coaster Record Holders
C. ACE's Classic Coaster Roster
D. Inside Track ``Top Coasters'' Readers Survey
E. Amusement Park Attendance Statistics
F. Coming Attractions -- new coasters for 94 and beyond!
G. List of Endangered Coasters in USA
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1. Newsgroup Charter -- rec.roller-coaster
rec.roller-coaster Roller coasters and other amusement park rides.
rec.roller-coaster is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote for
creation by 184:72 as reported in news.announce.newsgroups on 21 July 1991.
This newsgroup is for the discussion of any amusement park rides,
including but not limited to, roller coasters. Other topics include park
operating times/season schedules, admission prices, latest attractions,
future expansion efforts, etc.
2. Usenet info
If you're new to Usenet, I'd really recommend reading the newsgroups
news.announce.newusers and news.newusers.questions for a while. You can
learn a lot of useful things, and even some not so useful things.
3. About this document
This document is in three parts. Part 1, this part, offers a table of
contents to the posts, plus a general introduction. Part 2 offers general
roller-coaster info -- abbreviations, definitions, and information on
organizations and references for the roller coaster/amusement park
enthusiast. Part 3 contains lists and statistics relating to coasters. It
is also the most volatile section, more likely than the others to be
changed. (The list of changes appears in Part 1, above.)
These articles are posted monthly to rec.roller-coaster, rec.answers, and
news.answers. The rec.roller-coaster FAQ was originally compiled by Dave
Rounds (da...@bcco.com), then maintained by Bill Buckley
(buc...@powdml.enet.dec.com), and has now fallen into my hands
(previously ge...@pmafire.inel.gov, now ge...@eecs.wsu.edu). Comments and
questions are most welcome via e-mail to Geoff.
You can get a copy of the latest version of this document via anonymous
FTP from the ``official'' roller-coaster FTP site, gboro.rowan.edu, in
directory /pub/Coasters (more on the site later). You can also get a
copy from the official archive of news.answers, which is on rtfm.mit.edu
in the directory /pub/usenet-by-group/rec.roller-coaster. (A lot of
other interesting FAQs are there, too. The name under which a FAQ is
archived appears in the Archive-name: line at the top of the article.
This FAQ, for example, is archived as roller-coaster-faq/part1. If you
just want to browse there, try directory /pub/usenet-by-hierarchy, where
the dots in newsgroup names represent directories. So these documents
are in /pub/usenet-by-hierarchy/rec/roller-coaster.)
If you don't know how to use FTP, or don't even know if you can at
your site (not all sites can), ask a knowledgeable user at your site.
Special thanks to all the contributors, commentators, error-correctors
and others who've helped to make this FAQ possible. They are (in no
particular order):
Mark Wyatt (of Inside Track magazine)
buc...@powdml.enet.dec.com (``Buck'')
ge...@eecs.wsu.edu (Me, Geoff Allen)
sw...@aludra.usc.edu (Ronnie Swain)
tobsz...@attmail.com (Tom Obszanski)
bet...@apollo.hp.com
SY...@elan.glassboro.edu (Ken Denton)
s...@harvee.billerica.ma.us (little gator aka s. mudgett)
KROB...@Kentvm.Kent.edu (Kara L. Robinson)
ma...@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)
too...@cs.colostate.edu
ase...@mv.us.adobe.com (Paul Asente)
win...@apple.com (Patty Winter)
magl...@media.mit.edu (Tom Maglione)
w...@controls.ccd.harris.com (Bill Figie)
sha...@meaddata.com (Sharon Crichton)
p...@ncel.navy.mil (Patrick R. Kane)
S...@ECL.PSU.EDU (A. D Salvia)
Nora G.
And now.... On with the show!!!!!!!
--
Geoff Allen <ge...@eecs.wsu.edu>: WSU EE/CS Dept. sysadmin support guy
FAQ maintainer for rec.roller-coaster and the Mentor Graphics University SIG
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Please remain seated and keep your hands and arms above your head
at all times. Enjoy your ride.
Geoff Allen
Last-modified: Thu Dec 02, 1993; 08:57:10 MST
This is part 3 of the rec.roller-coaster FAQ....
10. Lists, statistics, and other arcana
A. Roller Coaster Designer Info
Designers of Wooden Coasters
CURRENT:
Custom Coasters Inc. (Mike Boodley) -- Designers and Builders
John F. Pierce and Assoc. -- Designers and Builders
Michael Black and Assoc. -- Builder
RCCA/TOGO -- International Designers/Builders
Intamin AG -- Designers and Builders
International Coasters, Inc. -- Builders
PAST:
Allen, John -- Designer and Builder
Baker -- Designer and Builder
Bitler, Oscar --
Cobb, William J. -- Designer and Builder
Dinn, Charlie (Dinn Corp.) - Builder
Fehr, Carl --
Harton, T.M. --
Hoover, Frank --
IAD (International Amusement Devices) -- Designers and Builder
Keenan, Vernon -- Designer and Builder
Leis, Edward --
Looff -- Designer
Lorenz & Williams --
Miler -- Designer
Miller, John -- Designer and Builder
Mitchell, James T. --
Moran, George --
NAD (National Amusement Devices) -- Designers and Builders
Pierce, Fred --
Prior and Church -- Designers
PTC (Philadelphia Toboggan Company)-- Designers and Builders
Rosser -- Designer
Schmeck, Herbert -- Designer and Builder
Sink, Amandus --
Summers, Curtis D. -- Designer
Thompson, Marcus A. --
(Harry G.) Traver Engineering Co. -- Builders and Designers
Vaszin, Aurel --
Vesco, Paul --
Vettel, Andrew --
Vettel, Edwin -- Designer and Builder
Designers of Steel Coasters
Arrow Dynamics (Ron Toomer)
Bollinger & Mabillard (B&M)
Intamin AG
MACK
OD Hopkins
Schwarzkopf, Anton
Schwarzkopf Rides and Amusements (Anton's son, Wieland)
SDC Corp. of Italy
Sensei
TOGO of Japan (RCCA/TOGO overseas)
Vekoma International
Zamperla
Zierer
B. Roller Coaster Record Holders
Current Wooden Coaster Record Holders
STEEPEST
1. 60 degrees: Rattler - Fiesta Texas; San Antonio, TX
2. 58 degrees: Cyclone - Astroland/Coney Island; Brooklyn, NY
3. 56 degrees: Georgia Cyclone - SF over Georgia; Atlanta, GA
HIGHEST
1. 179 ft, 6 in: Rattler - Fiesta Texas; San Antonio, TX
2. 160 ft: Mean Streak - Cedar Point; Sandusky, OH
3. 143 ft: Texas Giant - SF over Texas; Arlington, TX
LONGEST DROP
1. 170 ft: Rattler - Fiesta Texas; San Antonio, TX
2. 155 ft: Mean Streak - Cedar Point; Sandusky, OH
3. 148 ft: Hercules - Dorney Park; Allentown, PA
FASTEST
1. 73 mph: Rattler - Fiesta Texas; San Antonio, TX
2. 65 mph: Mean Streak - Cedar Point; Sandusky, OH
3. 64.77 mph: The Beast - Kings Island; Kings Mills, OH
LONGEST CIRCUIT
1. 7400 ft: The Beast - Kings Island; Kings Mills, OH
2. 5530 ft: Rattler - Fiesta Texas; San Antonio, TX
3. 5427 ft: Mean Streak - Cedar Point; Sandusky, OH
OLDEST
1. 1902: Leap The Dips - Lakemont Park; Altoona, PA
2. 1919: Jack Rabbit - Clemonton Lake; Clemonton, NJ
3. 1920: Jack Rabbit - Kennywood; W Mifflin, PA
MOST FAMOUS (yeah, it's subjective, but these coasters are
somewhat legendary...)
1. 1927 Cyclone - Astroland/Coney Island; Brooklyn, NY
2. 1927 Cyclone Racer - The Pike; Long Beach, CA
3. 1924 Bobs - Riverview; Chicago, IL
Current Steel Coaster Record Holders
STEEPEST
1. 90 Degrees: Ultra Twister - SF Astroworld; Houston, TX
2. 60 degrees: Magnum XL-200 - Cedar Point; Sandusky, OH
3. 60 degrees: Excalibur - ValleyFair!;
HIGHEST
1. 246 ft: Moonsault Scramble - Fujikyu Highland Park, Japan
(Note that this is a shuttle loop, and the height
listed is the height of the tower. Don't
complain to me about the listing; complain to the
Guiness folks, who list this as tallest....)
2. 205 ft: Magnum XL-200 - Cedar Point; Sandusky, OH
3. 196 ft: Bandit - Yomiuriland, Japan
LONGEST DROP
1. 225 ft: Steel Phantom - Kennywood; W Mifflin, PA
2. 207 ft: Moonsault Scramble - Fujikyu Highland Park, Japan
(Again, this cheats and is the height of the
heighest car, rather than a height the entire
train drops.)
3. 194 ft: Magnum XL-200 - Cedar Point; Sandusky, OH
FASTEST
1. 80 mph: Steel Phantom - Kennywood; W Mifflin, PA
2. 75 mph: Moonsault Scramble - Fujikyu Highland Park, Japan
3. 72 mph: Magnum XL-200 - Cedar Point; Sandusky, OH
LONGEST CIRCUIT
1. 7450 ft: The Ultimate - Lightwater Valley; UK
2. 5500 ft: Dragon Mountain - Marineland; Niagara Falls, Ontario
3. 5106 ft: Magnum XL-200 - Cedar Point; Sandusky, OH
HIGHEST LOOPING COASTER
1. 188 ft: Viper - SF Magic Mountain; Valencia, CA
2. 173 ft: GASM - SF Great Adventure; Jackson, NJ
3. 170 ft: Shockwave - SF Great America; Gurnee, IL
MOST INVERSIONS - (7)
Viper, Magic Mountain
GASM, Great Adventure
Shockwave, Great America
Kumba, Busch Gardens Tampa
HIGHEST G FORCES - (+6.5g)
Mindbender, Fantasyland, Edmonton, AB
Drier Looping, Germany (Fairs)
Moonslaut Scramble, Fujikyu Highland Park, Japan
MOST TRAINS ON CIRCUIT
1. 5: Thriller; German Fairs
2. 4: Olympia Looping; German Fairs
3. 4: Hymalaya Bahn; German Fairs
MOST DEMENTED SHUTTLE LOOP (yeah, another subjective one!)
Wiener Looping, Flamingoland (UK)
C. ACE's Classic Coaster Roster
Big Dipper - Camden Park; Huntington, W. VA
Big Dipper - Geauga Lake; Aurura, OH
Blue Streak - Cedar Point; Sandusky, OH
Blue Streak - Conneaut Lake Park; Conneaut Lake, PA
Coaster - Arnolds Park; Iowa
Coaster - Playland; Vancouver, BC, Canada
Cyclone - Astroland; Coney Island, NY
Cyclone - Lakeside Park; Denver, CO
Cyclone - William's Grove Park; Mechanicsburg, PA
Jack Rabbit - Kennywood Park; W. Mifflin, PA
Kiddy Coaster - Playland; Rye, NY
La Montana Rusa - Chapultepec Park; Mexico City, MEX
Lil' Dipper - Camden Park; Huntington, W. VA
Little Dipper - Kiddie Land; Melrose Park, IL
Little Dipper - Hillcrest Park; Lemont, IL
Roller Coaster - Joyland; Wichita, KS
Roller Coaster - Western Washington Fair; Puyallup, WA
Rollo Coaster - Idlewild Park; Ligonier, PA
Screechin Eagle - Americana Park; Middletown, OH
Sea Dragon - Wynadot Lake Park; Powell, OH
Starliner - Miracle Strip; Panama City, FL
Thunderbolt - Kennywood Park; W. Mifflin, PA
Wildcat - Frontier City, Oklahoma City, OK
D. Inside Track ``Top Coasters'' Readers Survey
Many people want to know which is the best/wildest/awesomest/scariest
coaster in the world (or at least US). We can't answer that for you,
but we can pass on to you the results of the Inside Track magazine
reader's survey. This is an annual survey, the most recent version of
which was published in the August 1993 issue of Inside Track. Just
because a coaster is highly-ranked on this list doesn't mean *you*
will think it's best, but it does mean that lot of coaster
enthusiasts like it, and you probably will too. Rankings from past
years are given as well, to give you some idea of how things change
from year to year. If a column contains '-', it indicates that
coaster didn't place in the rankings for that year, for whatever
reason (it was new, it didn't get enough votes, etc.). Also note
that the 1992 and 1993 surveys list the top 50, 1991 listed the top 40,
and 1990 listed the top 20.
+--------------------------------------- 1993 Rank
| +----------------------------------- 1993 Vote Total
| | +----------------------------- 1992 Rank
| | | +-------------------------- 1991 Rank
| | | | +----------------------- 1990 Rank
| | | | | +-------------------- Ride name, Park, Location
V V V V V V
1 (2169) 2 2 4 Magnum XL-200, Cedar Point, OH
2 (2104) 1 3 3 Texas Giant, Six Flags over Texas, TX
3 (1729) 3 5 1 The Beast, Paramount's Kings Island, OH
4 (1667) 5 7 5 Phoenix, Knoebel's, PA
5 (1650) 4 1 2 Timber Wolf, Worlds of Fun, MO
6 (1407) 6 - - Batman -- The Ride, SF Great America, IL (New in '92)
7 (1382) 7 6 6 Cyclone, Coney Island, NY
8 (1379) 8 10 7 Thunderbolt, Kennywood, PA
9 (1335) 15 34 - Mean Streak, Cedar Point, OH
10 (1261) 14 13 11 Big Bad Wolf, Busch Gardens, VA
11 (1214) 10 - - The Rattler, Fiesta Texas (New in '92)
12 (1187) 12 16 14 Grizzly, Paramount's Kings Dominion, VA
13 (1178) 11 16 - Steel Phantom, Kennywood, PA (New in '91)
14 (1157) - - - Batman -- The Ride, SF Great Adventure, NJ (New in '93)
15 (1083) - - - Kumba, Busch Gardens Tampa Bay, FL (New in '93)
(1083) 13 9 8 Mister Twister, Elitch Gardens, CO
16 (1082) 32 33 15 Mindbender, Six Flags over Georgia, GA
17 (1080) 42 25 - Loch Ness Monster, Busch Gardens, VA
18 ( 979) 17 35 19 Georgia Cyclone, Six Flags over Georgia, GA
( 979) 31 22 12 Riverside Cyclone, Riverside Park, MA
( 979) 26 - - Drachen Fire, Busch Gardens, VA (New in 92)
19 ( 971) 28 20 - Iron Wolf, Six Flags Great America, IL
20 ( 965) 41 - - Vortex, Paramount's Kings Island, OH
21 ( 867) 20 - 20 Wild One, Wild World, MD
22 ( 832) 9 4 - Thunder Run, Kentucky Kingdom, KY
23 ( 810) 48 - - Jack Rabbit, Kennywood, PA
24 ( 808) 16 11 18 Giant Dipper, Beach Boardwalk, Santa Cruz, CA
25 ( 805) 24 - - Arkansas Twister, Magic Springs, AK (New in 92)
26 ( 798) 23 11 10 Hercules, Dorney Park, PA
27 ( 742) 27 19 13 Viper, Six Flags Magic Mountain, CA
28 ( 720) 22 12 12 Mindbender, Fantasyland, Alberta
29 ( 603) 38 32 - Big Dipper, Geauga Lake, OH
30 ( 591) 49 39 - Thunderhawk, Dorney Park, PA
( 591) 22 23 16 Racer, Paramount's Kings Island, OH
31 ( 414) 21 14 - Blue Streak, Cedar Point, OH
32 ( 334) 23 17 - Vortex, Paramount's Canada's Wonderland, Canada
33 ( 262) 19 24 - Blue Streak, Conneaut Lake, PA
( 262) 27 14 - Giant Dipper, Belmont Park, CA
34 ( 250) 25 22 - Ninja, Six Flags Magic Mountain, CA
35 ( 219) - - - G.A.S.M., Six Flags over Georgia, GA
36 ( 202) 29 30 - Yankee Cannonball, Canobie Lake, NH
37 ( 135) 27 - - Screamin' Eagle, Six Flags over Mid-America, MO
( 135) 12 8 9 Predator, Darien Lake, NY
( 135) 30 21 18 G.A.S.M., Six Flags Great Adventure, NJ
38 ( 101) - - - Outlaw, Adventureland, IA (New in '93)
39 ( 96) 50 - - Le Monstre, La Ronde, Canada
40 ( 92) - - - Top Gun, Paramount's Great America, CA (New in '93)
41 ( 83) 18 29 - Roller Coaster, Playland, BC
42 ( 82) 33 40 - Space Mountain, Walt Disney World, FL
( 82) 44 - - Rebel Yell, Paramount's Kings Dominion, VA
43 ( 80) 45 28 - La Montana Rusa, Chapultapec Park, Mexico City
44 ( 77) - 38 - Gemini, Cedar Point, OH
45 ( 74) 39 31 17 Shockwave, Six Flags Great America, IL
46 ( 70) 36 18 - Screechin Eagle, Americana, OH
47 ( 65) - - - Racer, Kennywood, PA
48 ( 63) - - - Batman The Escape, Six Flags AstroWorld, TX (New in '93)
49 ( 61) 47 39 - Grand National, Blackpool, UK
50 ( 54) 47 - - Thriller, European Fairs, Germany
( 54) - - - Space Mountain, Disneyland, CA
- 20 32 - Cyclone, Lakeside, CO
- 30 - - Swamp Fox, Family Kingdom, SC (New in 92)
- 30 30 - Matterhorn Bobsled, Disneyland, CA
- 34 - - Ultra Twister, Six Flags AstroWorld, TX
- 35 29 - Anaconda, Paramount's Kings Dominion, VA
- 35 - - Adventure Express, Paramount's Kings Island, OH (New in 91)
- 37 38 - Big Thunder Mtn Railroad, Disney, FL
- 37 36 - Comet, Hersheypark, PA
- 38 - - Vortex, Carowinds, NC (New in 92)
- 40 - - Greezed Lightnin, Six Flags AstroWorld, TX
- 41 33 - Colossus, Six Flags Magic Mountain, CA
- 43 40 - Roller Coaster, Arnolds Park, IA
- 45 33 - Montezooma's Revenge, Knott's, CA
- 46 - - Wildcat, Elitch Gardens, CO
- 46 - - Tornado, Adventureland, IA
- 47 26 - Texas Tornado, Wonderland, TX
- 50 - - Big Dipper, Blackpool, UK
- 50 - - Sea Serpent, Wildwood, NJ
- 50 - - Excalibur, Valleyfair!, MN
- - 15 - Revolution, Six Flags Magic Mountain, CA
- - 33 - Dragon Mountain, Marineland, Canada
- - 37 - Wildcat, Lake Compounce, CT
- - 39 - Space Center, Phantasialand, Germany
- - 40 - Bandit, Yomiuriland, Tokyo, Japan
- - 40 - Psyclone, Six Flags Magic Mountain, CA
- - 40 - Sidewinder, Hersheypark, PA
E. Amusement Park Attendance Statistics
The following list of the top 40 Amusement Parks, ranked by
attendance, is from Amusement Business. These statistics are for
1992.
NOTE: Policies at some parks forbid release of attendance figures.
An asterisk (*) appearing after the attendance figure indicates the
figure is an estimate, based on information gathered by reliable AB
sources. Parks that either did not report or did not qualify on the
basis of reported figures in 1990 and 1991 are indicated with '-'.
In addition, the March 26, 1993 Wall Street Journal listed the top
10 parks in attendance world-wide. The numbers for the North
American parks match Amusement Business' list. The non-North
American parks are listed with '.'s in the three rank columns and
a blank '% change' field. I've placed them into Amusement
Business' list because of the interest, not only to North American
readers of rec.roller-coaster, but also to all our friends
elsewhere! The attendance numbers for these parks is shown with a
question mark, since I don't know if these are official numbers or
estimates (it's a safe bet that the Disney figures are estimates,
of course).
92 91 90 PARK, LOCATION ATTENDANCE % CHANGE
== == == =============== ========== ========
1 1 1 WDW, EPCOT, MGM Studios 30,240,000* Up 8%
Lake Buena Vista, FL
. . . Tokyo Disneyland 16,000,000?
Tokyo, Japan
2 2 2 Disneyland 11,600,000* Down slightly
Anaheim, CA
. . . EuroDisney 8,700,000?
Marne la Vallee, France
3 3 12 Universal Studios Florida 6,700,000* Up 12%
Orlando, FL
. . . Blackpool Pleasure Beach 6,500,000?
Blackpool, UK
. . . Lotte World 6,000,000?
Seoul, Korea
4 4 4 Universal Studios Hollywood 4,800,000* Up 4%
Universal City, CA
5 6 5 Sea World of Florida 4,100,000* Up 5%
Orlando, FL
6 7 6 Sea World of California 4,006,000* Up 5%
San Diego, CA
7 5 3 Knott's Berry Farm 3,900,000* Down slightly
Buena Park, CA
8 13 7 Paramount's Kings Island 3,260,000* Up 12%
Kings Falls, OH
9 8 8 Six Flags Magic Mountain 3,200,000* Up slightly
Valencia, CA
10 15 14 Six Flags Great America 3,150,000* Up 17%
Gurnee, IL
11 9 10 Cedar Point 3,125,000* Up 4%
Sandusky, OH
12 11 15 Six Flags Great Adventure 3,100,000* Up 6.5%
Jackson, NJ
13 12 9 Busch Gardens Tampa 3,050,000* Up 5%
Tampa, FL
14 14 11 Six Flags over Texas 3,000,000* Up 10%
Arlington, TX
15 10 13 Beach Boardwalk 3,000,000* No change
Santa Cruz, CA
16 20 16 Six Flags over Georgia 2,600,000* Up 14%
Atlanta, GA
17 17 17 Paramount's Great America; 2,350,000* Down slightly
Santa Clara, CA
18 16 19 Canada's Wonderland 2,300,000* Down 4%
Maple, Ont.
19 18 18 Paramount's Kings Dominion 2,250,000* Down 3%
Doswell, VA
20 21 21 Busch Gardens Williamsburg 2,118,300* Down 5%
Williamsburg, VA
21 22 20 Opryland 2,023,409 Up 5%
Nashville, TN
22 - - Fiesta Texas 2,000,000 (new park)
San Antonio, TX
23 23 23 Six Flags Astroworld 2,000,000* Up 7%
Houston, TX
24 29 31 Marine World-Africa USA 1,900,000 Up 32%
Vallejo, CA
25 27 28 Dollywood 1,800,000 Up 11%
Pigeon Forge, TN
26 28 26 Six Flags over Mid-America 1,800,000* Up 12%
St. Louis, MO
27 26 27 Silver Dollar City 1,752,926 Up slightly
Branson, MO
28 24 25 Hersheypark 1,700,000 Down 6%
Hershey, PA
29 19 21 Ontario Place 1,655,000 Down 30%
Toronto, Canada
30 25 29 Sea World of Texas 1,500,000* Down 23%
San Antonio, TX
31 31 33 Worlds of Fun 1,327,395 Up 3%
Kansas City, MO
32 - - Sea World of Ohio 1,313,200* Up 5%
Aurora, OH
33 32 30 Paramount's Carowinds 1,300,000* Up slightly
Charlotte, NC
34 33 37 Kennywood 1,215,900* Down 6%
West Mifflin, PA
35 34 33 LaRonde 1,200,000 Up 7%
Montreal, Quebec
36 33 37 Geauga Lake 1,107,000 Down 3%
Aurora, OH
37 36 36 Valleyfair! 1,075,000* Up 4%
Shakopee, MN
38 37 39 Knoebels Amusement Resort 980,000 Up 2%
Elysburg, PA
39 35 35 Darien Lake 975,000 Down 14%
Corfu, NY
40 - - Lagoon 951,664 Up 6%
Farmington, UT
F. Coming Attractions -- new coasters for 94 and beyond!
A common question on rec.roller-coaster is ``What new coaster is
park X getting for 1994?'' Here is the list of all announced, or at
least solidly rumored coasters being built in the next couple of
years. Note that no Arrow Pipeline coasters have been announced by
anyone at this time. ``Who's getting a Pipeline?'' or ``I heard
Cedar Point is getting a Pipeline'' is asked/stated often on
rec.roller-coaster, but as far as anyone who's telling knows, Arrow
hasn't sold any Pipeline coasters yet. ACE News reported in July
1992 that someone *would* be getting a Pipeline in 1993, saying the
sale was confirmed by Arrow Dynamics engineering director Dal
Freeman. A Disney employees' internal newsletter says Arrow
announced the sale of a Pipeline for the 1994 season. So far, none
of this has panned out. Note that the Cedar Point rumors should be
negated by the upcoming Raptor.
Anyway, on with the show....
New/relocated coasters for 1994:
COASTER TYPE PARK OPEN DATE
DESIGNER
======= ======== ==== =========
Pepsi Max -- S, Out&Back Blackpool Pleasure Beach
The Big One Arrow Blackpool, UK
"unnamed" S, Out&Back Gary's Wild Wild West (new park)
Arrow Jean, NV
"unnamed" S, 3-Looper Luna Park
Arrow Australia
"unnamed" S, ?-Looper (unannounced)
Arrow Japan
"unnamed" S, ?-Looper (unannounced)
Arrow Japan
"unnamed" S, Mine Train (unannounced)
Arrow Japan
"unnamed" S, Shuttle Frontier City
Arrow Oklahoma City, OK
"unnamed" S, Stand-up Six Flags Great Adventure
B&M Jackson, NJ (now moved to '95)
"unnamed" S, Inverted Alton Towers
B&M Sheffordshire (??), England
Batman S, Inverted Six Flags Magic Mountain
B&M Valencia, CA
Top Gun (*) S, Inverted Paramount's Canada's Wonderland
B&M Toronto, Canada
Raptor S, Inverted Cedar Point
B&M Sandusky, OH
Lightning S, Speed Racer MGM Grand
Bolt Intamin Las Vegas, NV
Shock Wave S, Stand-up Drayton Manor
Intamin England, UK
"unnamed" S, Boomerang Wild World
Vekoma Largo, MD
Roller Skater S, Junior Kentucky Kingdom
Vekoma Louisville, KY
"unnamed" S, Inverted Walibi Park
Vekoma The Netherlands
"unnamed" S, Windstorm Playland
SDC Rye, NY
"unnamed" W, Dbl out/back Gulliver's World
CCI Warrington, England (UK)
Hoosier W, Out&Back Indiana Beach
Hurricane CCI Monticello, IN
Comet W, Dbl Out&Back Great Escape
PTC/In-house Lake George, NY
Ravine W, Gully/Terrain Waldameer Park
Flyer (**) PTC/In-House Erie, PA
The Hurler W, Trp Out&Back Paramount's King's Dominion
ICI Doswell, VA
The Hurler W, Trp Out&Back Paramount's Carowinds
ICI Doswell, VA
Cyclone (***) W, Twister Six Flags Great America
(unannounced) Gurnee, IL
(*) Mentioned in Amusement Business during early-mid 1993, however, it is
now confirmed that this coaster is not among the list of 1994 B&M
projects, while Paramount Communications have announced that their
New-4-94 attraction will be a "Days of Thunder" simulator attraction.
(**) While not formally announced by any organization, it was reported from
various text sources that Waldameer Park had received permission from
the city of Erie, PA during the Summer of 1993 to go ahead with the
building of this coaster, noting that Waldameer was trying desperately
to obtain the city's approval ASAP. While this announcement was
probably the most significant factor in the notion this coaster would
be a "New-4-94" attraction (also rumored as such through various
insiders in the Amusement Industry), a Fall article which appeared
recently in the "Erie Times" newspaper touted that Waldameer's New-4-94
attraction will be a 100' tall Giant Ferris Wheel by Chance Rides
International. The article did go on to mention that Waldameer Park
would be adding both a wooden and steel roller coasters as part of
their 15-year capital expansion project. The article mentioned that
the wooden coaster would be built by Custom Coasters, Inc. (CCI), and
would hopefully be open by 1996, the year which will mark the park's
100th year of operation.
(***) Also mentioned briefly in Amusement Business a while back, but
not yet formally announced by Six Flags Entertainment, or confirmed
by ACE, WNYCC, MACC, etc. At this point, it appears that this
attraction will not be added for the 1994 season.
New/relocated coasters for 1995:
COASTER TYPE PARK
DESIGNER
======= ======== ====
"unnamed" S, Inverted Kentucky Kingdom
Vekoma Louisville, KY
TBA S, Standup Six Flags Great Adventure
B&M Jackson, NJ
Aeroplane W, Twister Paramount Kings Island
In-house (*) Kings Mills, OH
(*) To be built from plans by the late, great Harry Traver
G. List of Endangered Coasters in USA
Legend:
DAMA - Damaged and non-operational
DEMO - Demolished/Destroyed
SBNO - Standing But Not Operating
STOR - Dismantled and in storage
OPER - Currently operating, but its days are numbered
ASSURED TO BE SAVED
SBNO -Leap The Dips: Side Friction; Lakemont Park; Altoona, PA
STOR -Comet: Dbl Out-and-Back (from Crystal Beach)
COASTERS WITH A CHANCE
STOR -Jumper: 19?? Jr. Wood, West Point, PA
COASTERS IN DANGER
OPER -Wildcat: 1926 Out-and-Back, Elitch Gardens; Denver, CO
OPER -Coaster: Twister, PNE; Vancouver, BC
SBNO -Comet: 1946 Twister; Lincoln Park; N Dartmouth, MA
SBNO -Thunderbolt: 1925 Twister, Coney Island, NY
SBNO -Mighty Lightnin: 1958 Wood, Rocky Glen; Moosic, PA
SBNO -Red Streaker: 19?? Jr. Wood, Willow Mill; Mechanicsburg,PA
SBNO -Jack Rabbit: 1910 Out/Back, Idora Park; Youngstown, OH
DAMA -Wildcat: 1927 Twister, Idora Park; Youngstown, OH
COASTERS WE'VE RECENTLY LOST FOREVER
DEMO -CNE Flyer: 1956 Oval, CNE; Toronto, Canada
DEMO -Speedway: 1937 Out/Back, Eldridge Park; Elmira, NY
DEMO -Valley Volcano: 1956 Jr. Wood, Angela Park; Hazleton, PA
DEMO -Tornado: 1968 Out/Back, Panama City, FL
DEMO -Mountain Flyer: 1929 Out/Back, Mountain Park; Holyoke, MA
DEMO -Coaster: 1931 Out/Back, Harvey's Lake, PA
DEMO -Shooting Star: Out-and-Back (from Lakeside Park)
Ronnie Swain
supposed to represent the refers to the number of trains that can be run at a
single time that Revolution at SFMM can and has run 4 trains at a time quite
easily, although it usually make the day very hectic.
Ronnie Swain
sw...@scf.usc.edu
Flashback Crew '93 Rules!
(Though Batman Crew '94 would probably rule even better!)
Geoff Allen
>I've been wondering about the most trains on a circuit category. If this is
>supposed to represent the refers to the number of trains that can be run at a
>single time that Revolution at SFMM can and has run 4 trains at a time quite
>easily, although it usually make the day very hectic.
I'm not terribly happy with the "most trains on a circuit" category.
Disneyland can run 5 "trains" on each side of the Matterhorn (if I
recall correctly). Big Thunder Mountain has similar throughput.
I'd be happy to (again) open the discussion:
What coasters do you know of with the highest number of trains
that can be operating simultaneously?
Geoff
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Tom Maglione
>sw...@aludra.usc.edu (Ronnie Swain) writes:
>>I've been wondering about the most trains on a circuit category. If this is
>>supposed to represent the refers to the number of trains that can be run at a
>>single time that Revolution at SFMM can and has run 4 trains at a time quite
>>easily, although it usually make the day very hectic.
>
>I'm not terribly happy with the "most trains on a circuit" category.
>
>Disneyland can run 5 "trains" on each side of the Matterhorn (if I
>recall correctly). Big Thunder Mountain has similar throughput.
>
>I'd be happy to (again) open the discussion:
>
> What coasters do you know of with the highest number of trains
> that can be operating simultaneously?
>
>Geoff
Disneyworld's space mountain probably takes the award hands down; as I recall
they can run something like 14 (!) trains simuiltaneously on each side, for
a total of 28 trains operating simultaneously on the dual-tracked layout.
Granted, each train only seats 4 or 6 people (I forget at the moment but I
can always check my photos for accuracy). I think the Coaster at Playland
Park in Vancouver, B.C. also gets the prize for most trains on a wooden
single-tracked coaster: I rode this classic a couple of years ago when
the crew ran with three trains, and the lines were eaten up incredibly
fast. The operators didn't even let the train come to a complete stop in
the station before hustling riders out to empty the train for the next run.
BTW, there were at least 8 operators on hand for this 3-train operation.
According to Nancy McGrath and Scott Rutherford, the Montana Rusa in
Mexico City is due to run 6 trains on their dual-tracked layout; this
might be the most for a racing coaster, although I seem to remember
that Magic Mountain's Colossus was going to run 6 trains, too.
Tom Maglione
Pete Babic
In a previous article, ge...@fribble.eecs.wsu.edu (Geoff Allen) says:
>
>I'm not terribly happy with the "most trains on a circuit" category.
>
>Disneyland can run 5 "trains" on each side of the Matterhorn (if I
>recall correctly). Big Thunder Mountain has similar throughput.
>
>I'd be happy to (again) open the discussion:
>
> What coasters do you know of with the highest number of trains
> that can be operating simultaneously?
The Mine Ride at CP also can run 5 trains. I remember seeing 5 trains on the
circut many times during the late 60s and 70s though they haven't run it like
this in a few years. Since they put seatbelts in it I heard that the dispatch
time is too long with both the seatbelts and pedal pusher type safety bars.
I heard that two trains were modified with automatic safety bar releases and
the other three trains will be modified this winter so that they can run
5 trains once again.
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John Downing 712
>Subject: Trains on a circuit (Re: rec.roller-coaster FAQ, part 3/3: lists and statistics)
>Date: Tue, 7 Dec 93 17:02:13 GMT
>sw...@aludra.usc.edu (Ronnie Swain) writes:
>>I've been wondering about the most trains on a circuit category. If this is
>>supposed to represent the refers to the number of trains that can be run at a
>>single time that Revolution at SFMM can and has run 4 trains at a time quite
>>easily, although it usually make the day very hectic.
>I'm not terribly happy with the "most trains on a circuit" category.
>Disneyland can run 5 "trains" on each side of the Matterhorn (if I
>recall correctly). Big Thunder Mountain has similar throughput.
>I'd be happy to (again) open the discussion:
> What coasters do you know of with the highest number of trains
> that can be operating simultaneously?
>Geoff
Doesn't Space Mountain operated with 12 trains?
I believe that the Hullamvasut (Hill Train) in Budapest, Hungary can operate
with seven trains. Each train has three cars, carrying 5,4 and 5 seats.
Capacity is thus 28 plus the brakeman who rides in the middle car. When I
was there they were running three trains, and they did not stop in the station
at all! Just slowed to maybe 2mph and everyone jumped on. There were
no workers in the station at all. This is probably a record for the most
people on one track at the same time.
The Gemini at Cedar Point (my favorite steelie) normally operates with six
trains (three per track).
The Avalanche at King's Dominion opened running 5 six-car trains, but now
operates with 4 seven-car trains.
Ron Beck
|> A-HA! I distinctly remember that for the past several years, only trains #3,
|> 4, and 5 have been run. Another ACEer pointed out to me last summer (1992)
|> that trains #1 and #2 were MISSING...which worried us a little. I actually
|> LIKE that wimpy little coaster. Then, this year, trains 1 and 2 were back on
|> the line, shrouded in canvas on a storage track. We (myself and the other
|> ACEer) were speculating at Stricker's that maybe the trains were modified to
|> add remote lap-bar release. That would be fine, just so long as they don't
|> change the bars themselves!
|>
|> I imagine that with 5 trains, the platform operation on the Mine Ride would be
|> a little like the Blue Streak. Jump in, yank the bar down, platform attendant
|> checks it as you go past the end of the platform; if you're quick, you MIGHT
|> manage to get the seatbelt fastened before you go over the top... 8-)
|>
|> Perhaps the category ought to take contenders for 'highest throughput'. I
|> nominate the Gemini, at 3,400-3,600 PPH as the all-time throughput champion. I
|> don't think I have ever waited more than 20 min. with both trains running since
|> 1979. And, it's still the most ridden ride in the park!
|>
|> Cedar Point opens in 150 days. May the Mine Ride still have the old T-bars and
|> bench seats!
Just as a point of CP trivia history, the Mine Ride track was once
partially destroyed when a tornado came through and ripped a large tree
out of the ground and into the track. This was the summer of 1977 and
my first year as a CP employee. The Train station roof was also ripped
off and carried across the access road. My girlfriend was at the
station when it came through. We were in a car driving over to the
employees parking lot (near the Gemini now) when it went past. I guess
we're lucky we didn't get hit by a tree or blown away as it passed by.
I didn't realize what was going on at the time. We all just figured it
was a pretty bad rain storm as CP gets its share.
I'm probably the only person in the world outside of the Sandusky
Register and a few select insurance agencies that have pictures
(although the color's fading) of that fateful day. I heard that the
security guards were confiscating cameras & film that day. We went in
through the back entrance :-)
Our theatre (The Golden Palace) was intact which amazes me because we
were right next to the train station.
Ron
|>
|> --Dave Althoff, Jr.
|> (Mine Ride was my first introduction to roller coasting, circa. 1975)
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Pete Babic
In a previous article, rb...@island.csc.ti.com (Ron Beck) says:
>
>Just as a point of CP trivia history, the Mine Ride track was once
>partially destroyed when a tornado came through and ripped a large tree
>out of the ground and into the track. This was the summer of 1977 and
I remember that, Frontier Town was closed for a month while they fixed things
up. There was news film of the CP & LE Railroad track that showed the track
covered with trees. The train station in Frontier Town had to be totally
rebuilt. I didn't know the Mine Ride was damaged, how much of the track had
to be rebuilt?
Victoria M Althoff
4, and 5 have been run. Another ACEer pointed out to me last summer (1992)
that trains #1 and #2 were MISSING...which worried us a little. I actually
LIKE that wimpy little coaster. Then, this year, trains 1 and 2 were back on
the line, shrouded in canvas on a storage track. We (myself and the other
ACEer) were speculating at Stricker's that maybe the trains were modified to
add remote lap-bar release. That would be fine, just so long as they don't
change the bars themselves!
I imagine that with 5 trains, the platform operation on the Mine Ride would be
a little like the Blue Streak. Jump in, yank the bar down, platform attendant
checks it as you go past the end of the platform; if you're quick, you MIGHT
manage to get the seatbelt fastened before you go over the top... 8-)
Perhaps the category ought to take contenders for 'highest throughput'. I
nominate the Gemini, at 3,400-3,600 PPH as the all-time throughput champion. I
don't think I have ever waited more than 20 min. with both trains running since
1979. And, it's still the most ridden ride in the park!
Cedar Point opens in 150 days. May the Mine Ride still have the old T-bars and
bench seats!
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
Michael A. Cornell
No..it operates with three seven car trains
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Tom Maglione
(most of Dave Althoff's original post deleted for clarity)
>
>Just as a point of CP trivia history, the Mine Ride track was once
>partially destroyed when a tornado came through and ripped a large tree
>out of the ground and into the track. This was the summer of 1977 and
>my first year as a CP employee. The Train station roof was also ripped
>off and carried across the access road. My girlfriend was at the
>station when it came through. We were in a car driving over to the
>employees parking lot (near the Gemini now) when it went past. I guess
>we're lucky we didn't get hit by a tree or blown away as it passed by.
>I didn't realize what was going on at the time. We all just figured it
>was a pretty bad rain storm as CP gets its share.
>
>I'm probably the only person in the world outside of the Sandusky
>Register and a few select insurance agencies that have pictures
>(although the color's fading) of that fateful day. I heard that the
>security guards were confiscating cameras & film that day. We went in
>through the back entrance :-)
Whoa, here! Since when can security guards confiscate private property? I
really, really don't believe that any security guards have the right to
confiscate any private property (esp. cameras and film) from the general
public, or even from park employees! Anyone who would even try this with
me would get some real problems, including my filing litigation against
them. Please, Ron, tell me that this did not happen! BTW, Ron, you have
now made me very interested in seeing these shots!
>
>Our theatre (The Golden Palace) was intact which amazes me because we
>were right next to the train station.
>
>Ron J. Beck
Tom "keep your hands off my film and camera stuff" Maglione
Pete Babic
In a previous article, magl...@media.mit.edu (Tom Maglione) says:
>In article <CHq3L...@csc.ti.com> rb...@ra.csc.ti.com writes:
>
>>
>>I'm probably the only person in the world outside of the Sandusky
>>Register and a few select insurance agencies that have pictures
>>(although the color's fading) of that fateful day. I heard that the
>>security guards were confiscating cameras & film that day. We went in
>>through the back entrance :-)
>
>Whoa, here! Since when can security guards confiscate private property? I
>really, really don't believe that any security guards have the right to
>confiscate any private property (esp. cameras and film) from the general
>public, or even from park employees! Anyone who would even try this with
>me would get some real problems, including my filing litigation against
>them. Please, Ron, tell me that this did not happen! BTW, Ron, you have
>now made me very interested in seeing these shots!
I find the camera confiscations hard to believe also, especially since the
storm damage was well documented in the Cleveland papers and TV stations.
After a major storm like that the security and first aid people would have
many more pressing things to worry about than people's cameras. From what I
can remember from the pictures I've seen the structural damage was pretty
much limited to the train station with most of the other damage being
cosmetic. Lots and lots of trees down though, and probably light poles too.
Since you heard this from someone and didn't actually see it I'd bet that
the info you got wasn't entirely correct. BTW for those not familier with
the western part of Lake Erie, this is an area where the summer squals seem
to hit hardest. I've been at CP when a squal hit that made the rain go
horizontal, the wind sounded like a freight train and the trash cans literally
floated down the midway (at a pretty good clip). Not much damage at CP
except for a few flag poles bent completely in half and on the ground. Worst
storm I've ever been in though.
Ron Beck
|>
|> In a previous article, rb...@island.csc.ti.com (Ron Beck) says:
|> >
|> >Just as a point of CP trivia history, the Mine Ride track was once
|> >partially destroyed when a tornado came through and ripped a large tree
|> >out of the ground and into the track. This was the summer of 1977 and
|>
|> I remember that, Frontier Town was closed for a month while they fixed things
|> up. There was news film of the CP & LE Railroad track that showed the track
|> covered with trees. The train station in Frontier Town had to be totally
|> rebuilt. I didn't know the Mine Ride was damaged, how much of the track had
|> to be rebuilt?
I don't remember exactly but I know it was at least one and maybe two
sections. It took them a long time to get around to fixing it (for an
amusement park) because of the insurance settlement. (I guess they were
dragging their feet during the assessment.)
I think the train station went without a roof for the remainder of the
season. I'll have to see if I can find the pictures.
Ron
|>
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Ron Beck
|> In article <CHq3L...@csc.ti.com> rb...@ra.csc.ti.com writes:
|>
|> (most of Dave Althoff's original post deleted for clarity)
|> >
... some of my stuff deleted for brevity too...
|>
|> Whoa, here! Since when can security guards confiscate private property? I
|> really, really don't believe that any security guards have the right to
|> confiscate any private property (esp. cameras and film) from the general
|> public, or even from park employees! Anyone who would even try this with
|> me would get some real problems, including my filing litigation against
|> them. Please, Ron, tell me that this did not happen! BTW, Ron, you have
|> now made me very interested in seeing these shots!
Well, I can't say for sure as I got my film & camera out intact.
However, the area was closed to both employees & visitors so I suppose
that if you weren't supposed to be there...
We made up some excuse to get to "The Palace" to get some of the actors
"something or other" & we went in the back way so we didn't run into any
guards.
I think what I used was a little 110 pocket camera which looked like
one of those spy cameras you see them using in the movies. It fit
nicely into my pocket. I'll look around & see if I can locate them and
get one or two scanned in.
Ron
|> >
|> >Our theatre (The Golden Palace) was intact which amazes me because we
|> >were right next to the train station.
|> >
|> >Ron J. Beck
|>
|> Tom "keep your hands off my film and camera stuff" Maglione
|>
|>
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|>
|> In a previous article, magl...@media.mit.edu (Tom Maglione) says:
|>
|> >In article <CHq3L...@csc.ti.com> rb...@ra.csc.ti.com writes:
|> >
|> >>
|> >>I'm probably the only person in the world outside of the Sandusky
|> >>Register and a few select insurance agencies that have pictures
|> >>(although the color's fading) of that fateful day. I heard that the
|> >>security guards were confiscating cameras & film that day. We went in
|> >>through the back entrance :-)
|> >
|> >Whoa, here! Since when can security guards confiscate private property? I
|> >really, really don't believe that any security guards have the right to
|> >confiscate any private property (esp. cameras and film) from the general
|> >public, or even from park employees! Anyone who would even try this with
|> >me would get some real problems, including my filing litigation against
|> >them. Please, Ron, tell me that this did not happen! BTW, Ron, you have
|> >now made me very interested in seeing these shots!
|>
|> I find the camera confiscations hard to believe also, especially since the
|> storm damage was well documented in the Cleveland papers and TV stations.
|> After a major storm like that the security and first aid people would have
|> many more pressing things to worry about than people's cameras. From what I
This was the day after the storm hit and Frontier Town was closed to
both guests & employees. Like I say, I just HEARD that they were doing
it.
|> can remember from the pictures I've seen the structural damage was pretty
|> much limited to the train station with most of the other damage being
|> cosmetic. Lots and lots of trees down though, and probably light poles too.
I still seem to remember that a portion of the track was bent by a
pretty big tree. However, since I have destroyed a few brain cells
since then I'll have to find the pictures.
|> Since you heard this from someone and didn't actually see it I'd bet that
|> the info you got wasn't entirely correct. BTW for those not familier with
|> the western part of Lake Erie, this is an area where the summer squals seem
|> to hit hardest. I've been at CP when a squal hit that made the rain go
|> horizontal, the wind sounded like a freight train and the trash cans literally
|> floated down the midway (at a pretty good clip). Not much damage at CP
|> except for a few flag poles bent completely in half and on the ground. Worst
|> storm I've ever been in though.
Yep, I can tell you about the storms too. Years 2-5 (78-81) were spent
working in the Marina Steakhouse. You knew something was coming when
the normally brownish-black water of the marina suddenly turned a pea
green. With all the windows that looked out on the marina, it wasn't
my favorite place during a storm.
Ron
|>
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hi folks...
i looked thru the FAQ and could not find a reference to a list mailing
roller coaster info out...we have smtp via uucp here but no newsfeed yet :-(...
so, i was hoping a LISTSERV function might be available...or an emailing list.
thanks for your help!
btw, i do not regularly read this list...i have a colleague who is an
enthusiast who wants to receive this info...so please email me with the
information.
thanks in advance!
...
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