Disney's Magical Gatherings - More Crap from Eisner

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NoFamilyRideForMe

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Dec 31, 2003, 7:35:40 AM12/31/03
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I'm typing this in the morning, just so you know, I'm not drunk.

When I saw the commercial for the first time the other day, I couldn't
believe it.

Disney's Magical Gatherings - Basically, they want you to get everyone
you know and go to Disney. Is there a new ride? No. Are there
discounts? No. Only a vacation planner on their web site you're
supposed to download, and use while you surf Disney.com.
This is exactly why Eisner needs to go.

They don't have anything new, MS is a spin and puke machine. So to do
the ultimate, they roll out commercials telling you to bring everyone
you know, and then they call it Magical Gatherings. WOW!!!!!!!!

Another event where the park has added nothing new, yet they slap a
title on a celebration, and everyone is supposed to come. In the
past years, it was 75 years of this, Mickey's birthday, bla bla bla.

Pile on, Pile on, but this sucks. At least do some discounts, have
a beer party, Mardi Gras, anything. But don't play commercials
saying to bring everyone you know, call it Magical Gatherings, and act
like we're supposed to suck it up. No way.

Put a new fun ride in the MK. It's not like they don't have the money
after spending 100 million on a spin and puke.


Sam Marks

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Dec 31, 2003, 9:22:34 AM12/31/03
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>I'm typing this in the morning, just so you know, I'm not drunk.

You might as well have been drunk, your complaints make no sense. Disney
doesn't need to offer discounts (even though they are discounting room rates
left and right) Disney consistantly offers more than value on its admission
tickets.

Magical gatherings is simply a marketing attempt to get families to relocate
their reunions, And give them a way to communicate between each other easily,
to pick itineraries, and plan the visit.

>But don't play commercials
>saying to bring everyone you know, call it Magical Gatherings, and act
>like we're supposed to suck it up.

its too bad you have no one to bring, maybe if you sobered up and became a
respectable member of society, people might want to be around you.

This past November I and 5 friends went to Disney World, and had a spectacular
time. hopefully next year we can plan the trip a bit better using the Magical
gatherings programming they offer, and more folks can get in on the fun.


lkng4chubs

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Dec 31, 2003, 11:00:06 AM12/31/03
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What's wrong with them saying "Magical Gatherings?" It's a slogan.
So I take it you don't drink Coke because it's "Always the real thing?" Or
McDonalds latest ever-so-cheasy "I'm Loving It."
Drink some coffee before you make stupid posts.

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Dave Althoff Jr

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Dec 31, 2003, 10:23:42 AM12/31/03
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NoFamilyRideForMe (JesusWas...@Bla.com) wrote:
: I'm typing this in the morning, just so you know, I'm not drunk.

No drinking in the morning?

: When I saw the commercial for the first time the other day, I couldn't
: believe it.

It's taken you this long to see the spot?! I guess that explains why they
have been running the saturation campaign...because some people still haven't
seen it yet.

: Disney's Magical Gatherings - Basically, they want you to get everyone


: you know and go to Disney. Is there a new ride? No. Are there
: discounts? No. Only a vacation planner on their web site you're
: supposed to download, and use while you surf Disney.com.
: This is exactly why Eisner needs to go.

When I try to surf Disney.com I hit a brick wall as soon as I try to go to
the Disney World Resort page. I get a page that says I need to upgrade my
web browser and it suggests that for OS-X I should download Safari. Uh,
yeah. Right. I'm *using* Safari. Pity I can't complain about it to
them, when I click on "contact us" I get their "upgrade your browser"
page. Even changing the user agent doesn't help. Someone should also
point out to them that Chimera is now called Camino, and is technically still
a beta.

Luckily I took my trip there before they re-did the web site. I guess
they don't want me to come back.

: They don't have anything new, MS is a spin and puke machine. So to do


: the ultimate, they roll out commercials telling you to bring everyone
: you know, and then they call it Magical Gatherings. WOW!!!!!!!!

It's worse down at the Disney Compound. "Magical Gatherings" logos on all
the monorail windows, banners on all the light poles in the parking lots,
signs everywhere...Why in the heck are they promoting this "Magical
Gatherings" crap to people who are already in the park, and are either (a)
participating in a "magical gathering," or (b) are already visiting the
park without all their friends, and are thus spending all their money so
that they can't afford to come back for a "magical gathering"?

: Another event where the park has added nothing new, yet they slap a


: title on a celebration, and everyone is supposed to come. In the
: past years, it was 75 years of this, Mickey's birthday, bla bla bla.

: Pile on, Pile on, but this sucks. At least do some discounts, have
: a beer party, Mardi Gras, anything. But don't play commercials
: saying to bring everyone you know, call it Magical Gatherings, and act
: like we're supposed to suck it up. No way.

: Put a new fun ride in the MK. It's not like they don't have the money
: after spending 100 million on a spin and puke.

Maybe that's the problem..........

--Dave Althoff, Jr., who thinks he's got a point on this one...
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BloodEsteem

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Dec 31, 2003, 10:41:54 AM12/31/03
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Oh don't worry Althoff, I believe you have a point!

Clay "I's see's the's lights!" Lamanske

tommy

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Dec 31, 2003, 11:27:32 AM12/31/03
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In article <bsuplu$cvf$1...@acme.gcfn.org>,

dal...@gcfn.org (Dave Althoff Jr) wrote:

> I get a page that says I need to upgrade my
> web browser and it suggests that for OS-X I should download Safari. Uh,
> yeah. Right. I'm *using* Safari.

haha.. I get that too. It says Safari (greatest browser ever) is
Netscape 6.

/tommy

selo hauoyuf

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Dec 31, 2003, 12:18:43 PM12/31/03
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Disney is the Walmart of amusement parks !!!!!

E-Stop-1

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Dec 31, 2003, 12:25:35 PM12/31/03
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>McDonalds latest ever-so-cheasy "I'm Loving It."

UGH! Thank god that someone else is annoyed with this commerical. I want to
reach though the stereo and slap that bitch.
Estopone

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"Peter Griffin For President in 2005"

Robert Ulrich

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Dec 31, 2003, 2:10:40 PM12/31/03
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On 31 Dec 2003 17:25:35 GMT, esto...@aol.commit (E-Stop-1) wrote:

>>McDonalds latest ever-so-cheasy "I'm Loving It."
>
>UGH! Thank god that someone else is annoyed with this commerical. I want to
>reach though the stereo and slap that bitch.

This is funny to read because the "I'm Lovin' It" campaign has been
reported to be very successful in it's transplanting to the US - the
campaign originated in Germany if I recall correctly. Insert
reminders of the Barry Manilow jingle days here....


RU

Rastus O'Ginga

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On 31 Dec 2003 10:23:42 -0500, dal...@gcfn.org (Dave Althoff Jr)
wrote:

>NoFamilyRideForMe (JesusWas...@Bla.com) wrote:


>: I'm typing this in the morning, just so you know, I'm not drunk.
>
>No drinking in the morning?
>
>: When I saw the commercial for the first time the other day, I couldn't
>: believe it.
>
>It's taken you this long to see the spot?! I guess that explains why they
>have been running the saturation campaign...because some people still haven't
>seen it yet.

Hell, their Christmas parade this year was a 2 hour commercial for
them. Talk about overkill.

Rastus O'Ginga

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Sam Marks

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Dec 31, 2003, 4:28:27 PM12/31/03
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>Hell, their Christmas parade this year was a 2 hour commercial for
>them. Talk about overkill.
>
>
>
>Rastus O'Ginga

You were expecting TWEETY?
or SNOOPY?

get a grip idiot

NoFamilyRideForMe

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Dec 31, 2003, 4:32:04 PM12/31/03
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On 31 Dec 2003 14:22:34 GMT, steel...@aol.come2Mypark (Sam Marks)
wrote:

>>I'm typing this in the morning, just so you know, I'm not drunk.
>
>You might as well have been drunk, your complaints make no sense.

But my posts get everyone talking. Even Rustas joined in on this one.

And watch out, I'm drinking now before new years. Got off work
early at noon and started slamming. It's 04:25pm est. Going to
dinner and then I'll be back, who knows, maybe I'll tell Jeff to suck
my dick. Opps, I just did. You know, the post count on his message
board has been dropping. Web based message boards are a fad that is
not what it used to be.

I mean, imagine if CP did what Disney is doing? Basically saying,
Hey, we're having a celebration, bring everyone you know, and it's a
magical gathering. It's a ripoff in advertising. It's like
begging for visitors. Hey, our attendance has been dropping, so
we're scraping the bottom of the barrel. Bring gramps and grandma,
and drag them around with you in wheel chairs. Yeah, that's what
families need for a fun vacation.

Let's see, Disney is a kiddie park, wanting little kids aged 4-8. And
now they want all the senior citizens. Just great.
And now, It's a small world, sponsored by Depends.

Sam Marks

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Dec 31, 2003, 4:54:23 PM12/31/03
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>But my posts get everyone talking.

about what an ass you are

weidwall

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Dec 31, 2003, 5:35:12 PM12/31/03
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"Dave Althoff Jr" <dal...@gcfn.org> wrote in message
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> It's worse down at the Disney Compound. "Magical Gatherings" logos on all
> the monorail windows, banners on all the light poles in the parking lots,
> signs everywhere...Why in the heck are they promoting this "Magical
> Gatherings" crap to people who are already in the park, and are either (a)
> participating in a "magical gathering," or (b) are already visiting the
> park without all their friends, and are thus spending all their money so
> that they can't afford to come back for a "magical gathering"?

I think it's (b), but the Disney take on that is get them thinking about
returning for a "Magical Gathering" while they're in the midst of
"experiencing the magic." (Yes, a lot of Disney fans actually talk like
that!) In terms of not being able to afford a return trip, I am amazed at
how much some people scrimp and save to be able to go every year or two, and
how much money they spend while there. Check out the trip reports on
r.a.d.p. or the DIS boards - definitely a different vibe than your typical
r.r-c TR!

A subset of the "Magical Gatherings" promotion is something called "Grand
Gatherings," where, for an additional fee (of course!) your group of eight
or more can have a special Disney experience. For example, Grand Gathering
groups can book a private Kilimanjaro Safari ride at night with dinner after
at Tusker House restaurant, special character meet-and-greet, etc. At $59.99
for 10 and up, $19.99 for 3-9, not cheap, but I bet they get a lot of people
to sign up.

More info on this stuff is available here:
http://www.mousesavers.com/packages.html#gg

As an aside, MouseSavers.com is a great resource to use when planning a
Disney vacation if you're at all interested in saving money.

Ruth Ann


DeadAndRestless

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Dec 31, 2003, 7:04:47 PM12/31/03
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>Hey, our attendance has been dropping, so
>we're scraping the bottom of the barrel. Bring gramps and grandma,
>and drag them around with you in wheel chairs. Yeah, that's what
>families need for a fun vacation.
>

LOL

-this is incredible material-
Alan

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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 07:35:40 -0500, NoFamilyRideForMe
<JesusWas...@Bla.com> wrote:

>They don't have anything new, MS is a spin and puke machine.

They don't have anything new.

Yet they have something new that you don't like.

So do they have something new, or do they not have something new? Which is
it?

Just curious.


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NoFamilyRideForMe

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Dec 31, 2003, 7:50:30 PM12/31/03
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On 31 Dec 2003 21:54:23 GMT, steel...@aol.come2Mypark (Sam Marks)
wrote:

>>But my posts get everyone talking.

>
>about what an ass you are

Dude, just give it up. There are plenty more posts about the subject
because of me. Many of them giving more information than anyone new.

For example, I didn't know Disney was hyping the celebration with
stickers on the monorails. That seems like overkill. I agree,
there's no need to advertise that event in the park. It's like they
expect people to phone others with the news. Duh. Just let them be.
It shows how desperate Disney is.

It's like you're stalking me. WTF is your problem? Are you a CFB
moderator or something?
Remember, my rants never attack individual users, but the park
practices.
I want the parks to do better.
If people like me don't post and write the parks, then they'll fail.
Why? Because they might make a decision that will last TWO years and
not realize it will effect attendance. I'm giving them notice up
front to install FUN RIDES to bring fans back.

Dude, stop attacking me.

Oh, and by the way, I'm drunk right now, and haven't dropped any F
bombs.

You remind me so much of the CFB users. Dude, we're in the real
world here. I can rant anytime I want. Just let it go, my posts
keep the boards talking. Which is why CFB is dying. Why? Because
everyone over there is told to shut up. Here you can't do that.

Sam Marks

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Dec 31, 2003, 9:19:27 PM12/31/03
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>Dude, we're in the real
>world here. I can rant anytime I want. Just let it go, my posts
>keep the boards talking.

RRC doesn't need a drunken savior to lead it. It needs less anonymity (post
using your name) and more on topic reponses.

As long as you post anonymously, you can expect to be treated as a troll....
Dude, get used to it, or start using your real name.

Sandy A. Nicolaysen

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Dec 31, 2003, 9:52:34 PM12/31/03
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On 01 Jan 2004 02:19:27 GMT, steel...@aol.come2Mypark (Sam Marks)
wrote:

>>Dude, we're in the real

Sam: One of the long running jokes here in RRC is that someone can
post anonymously. The fact is that any poster can be tracked down no
matter what methods the poster "thinks" keeps their identity secret.

NoFamilyRideForMe = Robert Viands

Rastus O'Ginga = Jason Burkett

Evil One = Chris Moshella

There are more, but you get the idea.

I agree with you in that if you want to state facts, back it up with
your real name. Fake IDs carry very little weight when it comes to
credibility.

- Sandy "my real name" Nicolaysen

Wolf

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Dec 31, 2003, 10:44:43 PM12/31/03
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Sam, when one is spending a thread ranting about drunken idiots, it's best
if they do not rant *like* a drunk idiot.

-Wolf


Locoboy

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Jan 1, 2004, 12:06:21 AM1/1/04
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Sam Marks wrote:

> RRC doesn't need a drunken savior to lead it. It needs less anonymity (post
> using your name) and more on topic reponses.
>
> As long as you post anonymously, you can expect to be treated as a troll....
> Dude, get used to it, or start using your real name.

It's all just a phony act anyway.


Sam Marks

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Jan 1, 2004, 7:47:11 AM1/1/04
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>> You were expecting TWEETY?
>> or SNOOPY?
>>
>> get a grip idiot
>
>Sam, when one is spending a thread ranting about drunken idiots, it's best
>if they do not rant *like* a drunk idiot.
>
>-Wolf

Sorry wolf, but if anyone goes to a parade in a disney park and doesn't expect
to see disney characters, they're DAFT!

SAM
(at least I was sober and on topic:)

NoFamilyRideForMe

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Jan 1, 2004, 8:42:52 AM1/1/04
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>As long as you post anonymously, you can expect to be treated as a troll....
>Dude, get used to it, or start using your real name.

I use the fake names to get my point across. The name appears in the
header of the post, and is seen in the message listing.

NoGodForMe - Letting everyone know it's ok to not believe in god or
practice religion, which is the root of all evil.
In case you haven't noticed, there is a movement in the USA to do away
with Christianity. In the past, Christians shoved religion down the
throats of everyone. If you didn't believe in their god, then you're
going to hell. Well, I'm here to let everyone know that's not true.
People in the USA no longer hide their true feelings about the
subject. If we don't believe, we're not scared to say it.
This is also my screen name when I play online games, and on the
Tribalwar message board.

NoFamilyRideForMe - Self explanatory. The suits don't seem to get
it. They add shows, dark rides, movies, and in the case of Disney,
nothing. I'm here to let them know I won't be flying to visit. And
yes, I know I'm only one, but just go ask Burke of SF about his
dropping attendance. SFWoA is a shell of it's former self. Disney
used to have 15 million visitors, now it's 14. I predict BGT/SWF
will drop or be flat next year becase of no new fun ride.

The other reason I change the names often, is to piss off those who
say they're going to use a kill filter.

I'm not hiding from anyone. Why should I? Everyone knows my name.
I'm not in ACE. I'm already banned from CFB. I'm in no other
coaster clubs. I don't hang out with you people. So why am I here
you ask? Because I want fun rides. And since I was banned from
CFB, I'm gonna keep talking. I'm not like the whinny cry babies who
say they're leaving after they get flamed. Oh no, the exact opposite
happened, I'm here to stay.

Sam Marks

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Jan 1, 2004, 10:00:31 AM1/1/04
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>The other reason I change the names often, is to piss off those who
>say they're going to use a kill filter.

yet you somehow assume you'll be treated as legit?

the jokes on you buddy, parks to listen to nameless crackpots(heads)>NoGodForMe


- Letting everyone know it's ok to not believe in god or
>practice religion, which is the root of all evil.

funny, I thought alcohol as the root of all evil hehehe

Flare

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Jan 1, 2004, 12:38:32 PM1/1/04
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Sandy A. Nicolaysen wrote:

> Sam: One of the long running jokes here in RRC is that someone can
> post anonymously. The fact is that any poster can be tracked down no
> matter what methods the poster "thinks" keeps their identity secret.
>
> NoFamilyRideForMe = Robert Viands
>
> Rastus O'Ginga = Jason Burkett
>
> Evil One = Chris Moshella
>
> There are more, but you get the idea.

I'm not sure what Sam's point is or was, considering he's assumed a
mission to kick this guy any chance he gets... If anything, Sam's
obsessive need to engage in repeatedly personally attacking someone
who's already been deemed an obvious goofball is approaching a trollish,
unsavory place, imho. That said, I'll be the first to admit that I'll
always toss my hat in the ring when I see fit...But I also believe
there's a succinct point when your own credibility begins to suffer when
you take the art of "belittling" to the point of ineffectual self
gratification. I just think Sam has a serious issue with this guy, and
that he's dealing with in a "less than" diplomatic way. I mean, the
dude has never actually given Sam the ammunition to be personally
shitting on him the way he (Sam) has been. Just my take.

To preface, Sam's a nice guy; a good guy. I always enjoy seeing him out
and about at parks and such. Yet Sam, like many others, knows I aint'
gonna candy coat my perceptions of reality, or sit back and say
"whatever...big deal...doesn't affect me...". Regardless, Sam's gonna do
whatever the heck he feels compelled to do.

>
> I agree with you in that if you want to state facts, back it up with
> your real name. Fake IDs carry very little weight when it comes to
> credibility.
>

I completely disagree. There are a considerable number of "anonymous"
posters who don't sign their "real" name, yet contribute very positive,
stimulating stuff. If you submit logical, sensical content, why should
you be automatically labelled a troll, just because you're not signing
your real name??

In sum, I gotta say that NoWhateverForMe, with his Terra, Terra Terra,
CFB and myriad of other silly rants has served up more than a few laughs
for me. For that, I actually enjoy his existence. It's entertaining. :-)

Dave (Fraser)
- In fear of trolldom sentencing.

lkng4chubs

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Jan 1, 2004, 4:04:24 PM1/1/04
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Disney is soooo not a little kids park. That park is designed for people of
all ages. So what you're saying is children ages 4-8 actually enjoy going
to EPCOT? For what? There isn't much there for children of that age.
That's why they bulit MK.

So CP used a stupid slogans a few years ago, "Get to the Po!nt" and it is
basicallt saying the same thing that disney is with "Magical Gatherings."

I'm assuming you only read taglines to make your decision on products to
choose...


Tim Vaughan

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Jan 1, 2004, 9:16:26 PM1/1/04
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I'm guessing you didn't see the Disney Christmas parade broadcast this year,
Sam. I mean yes, it's their parade, and their network, but it was so
blatantly a two hour Disney commercial. It was pretty funny to watch.


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William December Starr

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Jan 1, 2004, 10:22:41 PM1/1/04
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In article <tommy-90A811....@news.easynews.com>,
tommy <to...@tommy.com> said:

>> I get a page that says I need to upgrade my web browser and it
>> suggests that for OS-X I should download Safari. Uh, yeah.

>> Right. I'm *using* Safari. [Dave Althoff Jr]


>
> haha.. I get that too. It says Safari (greatest browser ever) is
> Netscape 6.

I use Opera and I'm pretty happy with it, but I'm always willing to
hear about something better. What's Safari's story?

-- William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>

Sam Marks

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Jan 1, 2004, 10:38:43 PM1/1/04
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>I'm guessing you didn't see the Disney Christmas parade broadcast this year,
>Sam. I mean yes, it's their parade, and their network, but it was so
>blatantly a two hour Disney commercial. It was pretty funny to watch.

it was heavily thick on the gatherings adverts.... but still, It's "always"
been that way, every year, regis, etc. etc. but hey,

tommy

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Jan 1, 2004, 10:40:38 PM1/1/04
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In article <bt2o61$9d2$1...@panix3.panix.com>,

wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:

> I use Opera and I'm pretty happy with it, but I'm always willing to
> hear about something better. What's Safari's story?

Safari, http://www.apple.com/safari/ , is Apple's own browser. It's blazing fast, and (up until now) works
perfectly. It has little touches like a 'snap back' feature that will
take you back to the last url that you typed in, and it blocks pop-ups,
resets easily, etc..

Microsoft stopped support for IE for OS X after Safari was released.

/tommy

Worlds Apart...

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Jan 2, 2004, 12:49:57 AM1/2/04
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> Let's see, Disney is a kiddie park, wanting little kids aged 4-8. And
> now they want all the senior citizens. Just great.
> And now, It's a small world, sponsored by Depends.

Well enough sicko mothers and fathers have left enough diapers in the
boats over the decades... I'm sure some sicko old people have too.

Sickos...

Worlds Apart...

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> >>But my posts get everyone talking.
> >
> >about what an ass you are
>
> Dude, just give it up. There are plenty more posts about the subject
> because of me. Many of them giving more information than anyone new.
>
> For example, I didn't know Disney was hyping the celebration with
> stickers on the monorails. That seems like overkill. I agree,
> there's no need to advertise that event in the park. It's like they
> expect people to phone others with the news. Duh. Just let them be.
> It shows how desperate Disney is.

Top 10 in attendance parks don't lie.
Disney could do far better and Eisner sucks but the park numbers don't
lie. They don't look too desperate.

> It's like you're stalking me. WTF is your problem?

He loves you..
Don't escape his loving grasp.. look into his eyes.

> Are you a CFB
> moderator or something?

Stop mentioning CB on RRC..
WTF?!?
Are you some lackey, toady or stooge from that site?

> Remember, my rants never attack individual users, but the park
> practices.
> I want the parks to do better.
> If people like me don't post and write the parks, then they'll fail.
> Why? Because they might make a decision that will last TWO years and
> not realize it will effect attendance. I'm giving them notice up
> front to install FUN RIDES to bring fans back.

I think most parks don't care. If people don't show up because what they
are doing now they could always go ALL NUDE! and build up their
fanbases.

> Dude, stop attacking me.

Whiiiiine.
STFU and crack another longneck, Chuckles.



> Oh, and by the way, I'm drunk right now, and haven't dropped any F
> bombs.

Well big fucking fuck..



> You remind me so much of the CFB users.

Stop SPAMMING that site on RRC.

> Dude, we're in the real
> world here.

Bleep, bleep, bleep.

> I can rant anytime I want.

Then stop whining about it and rant.
Do you have to rant about not being able to rant during one of your
rants?

> Just let it go, my posts
> keep the boards talking. Which is why CFB is dying.

Then stop SPAMMING that site, holy shit braincheese.


> Why?

Exactly.. why?

> Because
> everyone over there is told to shut up.

Good.. stop spamming a shitty website.

> Here you can't do that.

Rant on and on.. you sometimes make a lot of sense and are also
entertaining, but stop f'kin repeatedly mentioning other message forums
that suck.

Happy New Year.. get over the fact that Cheesecake Buzz sucks..

Worlds Apart...

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> As long as you post anonymously, you can expect to be treated as a troll....

The above is definitely troll bait.

William December Starr

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In article <tommy-74B8F8....@news.easynews.com>,
tommy <to...@tommy.com> said:

> Safari, http://www.apple.com/safari/ , is Apple's own browser. It's
> blazing fast, and (up until now) works perfectly. It has little
> touches like a 'snap back' feature that will take you back to the
> last url that you typed in, and it blocks pop-ups, resets easily,
> etc..

Ah, thanks. Well, let me know if they ever release a Windoze
version. (Yes, I use Windows rather than Mac/Apple/whatever (that
is, when I'm doing stuff that involves pictures and the like;
otherwise I live on an old DOS box). No, I'm not going to apologize
for it. :-)

-- William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>

"'Plunkett and Macleane' conducts an experiment: Can a movie be constructed
entirely out of stylistic excess, without the aid of a story or characters
we'd give two farthings for? Answer: Perhaps, but not this time."

-- Roger Ebert


Worlds Apart...

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> Disney is soooo not a little kids park. That park is designed for people of
> all ages. So what you're saying is children ages 4-8 actually enjoy going
> to EPCOT? For what? There isn't much there for children of that age.

Drinking around the world?

> That's why they bulit MK.

MK came first.



> So CP used a stupid slogans a few years ago, "Get to the Po!nt" and it is
> basicallt saying the same thing that disney is with "Magical Gatherings."

Read the Jimhillmedia.com article about "Magic Gatherings". I don't
think CP would go at it quite like the Disney machine is.



> I'm assuming you only read taglines to make your decision on products to
> choose...

...and then the 'wired in' My Pal Mickey interactive plush you rent or
buy tells you which attractions or parades or shows to go see and when
to eat and use the restroom.

Worlds Apart...

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Ooozing troll statements at this point..

edandkasey

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> NoGodForMe - Letting everyone know it's ok to not believe in god or
> practice religion, which is the root of all evil.
> In case you haven't noticed, there is a movement in the USA to do away
> with Christianity. In the past, Christians shoved religion down the
> throats of everyone. If you didn't believe in their god, then you're
> going to hell. Well, I'm here to let everyone know that's not true.

Then what is true? I find it interesting that you have taken the role that
you accuse Christians of having taken.
It is just as easy to believe as it to not believe.

Dave Althoff Jr

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William December Starr (wds...@panix.com) wrote:
: In article <tommy-90A811....@news.easynews.com>,
: tommy <to...@tommy.com> said:

I use Opera at the office. It's fantastic, and it handles just about
everything just fine, except for the occasional web page that sniffs it
out and decides to play nasty. Try visiting Microsoft's knowledge base
using Opera sometime...enjoy the microscopic text!

At home, I use Safari almost exclusively, although there are a couple of
things that don't work right...to do online banking, for instance, I have
to use Camino (Mozilla), and the Burstnet intersitials on CoasterBuzz are
all screwed up (don't pass URLs correctly) in Safari.

Safari is Apple's web browser. It's fast, it's standards-based, and even
though its user agent string claims it is "like Mozilla", it actually has
more in common with Konqueror. When Safari came out of beta for OS-X,
Microsoft killed Internet Explorer. Good riddance; IE on the Mac was a
slow, bloated, non-compliant, kludgy mess. First thing I did when I
bought my Mac was to download Chimera (now Camino) from mozilla.org and
effectively disable IE on my system.

I'm not totally convinced that Safari is faster than Camino. In my
experience, Camino feels faster. But once I disabled the brushed metal,
Safari quickly became my preferred browser.

--Dave Althoff, Jr.
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In article <bt4dm6$inp$1...@acme.gcfn.org>,

dal...@gcfn.org (Dave Althoff Jr) said:

> Safari is Apple's web browser. It's fast, it's standards-based,
> and even though its user agent string claims it is "like Mozilla",
> it actually has more in common with Konqueror. When Safari came
> out of beta for OS-X, Microsoft killed Internet Explorer. Good
> riddance; IE on the Mac was a slow, bloated, non-compliant, kludgy
> mess.

Ah. Much like IE on Windows then. (I keep IE around for viewing
the occasional site which by chance or design doesn't work well with
Opera, but that's about it.) (Well, I also keep it around because
there's no really good way of surgically excising it from Win98, but
except for the above I generally ignore its existence.)

Dave Althoff Jr

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William December Starr (wds...@panix.com) wrote:
: In article <bt4dm6$inp$1...@acme.gcfn.org>,

Actually, IE on Windows has SOME optimization, and it takes minimal time
to launch, since the rendering engine is native to Windows (at least in
XP). None of that applies to the Mac version.

About the only thing that IE does that other browsers don't (on any
supported platform) is ActiveX. These days, the fact that other browsers
don't handle ActiveX is frequently considered a *benefit*.

Chris Simon

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Dave Althoff Jr wrote:
> About the only thing that IE does that other browsers don't (on any
> supported platform) is ActiveX. These days, the fact that other browsers
> don't handle ActiveX is frequently considered a *benefit*.

MS's decision to freeze IE development (and basically kill it off) is a
strange one. They are banking on everyone upgrading to Windows 2005
(whatever it's called) where the browsing technology will be completely
integral to the OS, and of course it doesn't matter since they are the
suppliers of the major desktop operating system. But in this 2 or 3
year gap, IE is getting a pretty bad reputation for being buggy and
non-standards compliant and for pushing MS proprietary technology, in
comparison to the other browsers that are in continual development -
will a lot of people abandon IE in the interim, find a browser that they
like and stick with it even if they upgrade to Windows 2005??
(Hopefully, yes!) I saw some recent statistics on browser usage, and IE
holds about 86% of the share. Of course, that's still a commanding
lead, but it wasn't that long ago that it was at about 92%.

The thing is, if Windows 2005 takes off and everyone does use it, MS
will be in an even more dominant position than they are now. Of course,
that's what they are hoping.

--
Chris Simon
osia...@slcszetnet.co.uk
http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/csimon/

** Get rid of all SLCs to reply directly **

Joe Schwartz

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Chris Simon <osia...@slcszetnet.co.uk> wrote:

> I saw some recent statistics on browser usage, and IE holds about 86%
> of the share. Of course, that's still a commanding lead, but it wasn't
> that long ago that it was at about 92%.

It depends what audience you're sampling. For instance, 95% of Joyrides
hits come from IE, and about 4% from Netscape/Mozilla.

--
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the joy and beauty of amusement park rides, especially roller coasters!

lkng4chubs

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> Drinking around the world?
I do that

> MK came first.
I knew that

> ...and then the 'wired in' My Pal Mickey interactive plush

Didn't know that, I'll have to get one next time I'm there. Does it work
for every park? What's the low-down?

Chester "learned something new about WDW" Bell


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Dave Althoff Jr

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Chris Simon (osia...@slcszetnet.co.uk) wrote:

: Dave Althoff Jr wrote:
: > About the only thing that IE does that other browsers don't (on any
: > supported platform) is ActiveX. These days, the fact that other browsers
: > don't handle ActiveX is frequently considered a *benefit*.

: MS's decision to freeze IE development (and basically kill it off) is a
: strange one. They are banking on everyone upgrading to Windows 2005
: (whatever it's called) where the browsing technology will be completely
: integral to the OS, and of course it doesn't matter since they are the
: suppliers of the major desktop operating system. But in this 2 or 3
: year gap, IE is getting a pretty bad reputation for being buggy and
: non-standards compliant and for pushing MS proprietary technology, in
: comparison to the other browsers that are in continual development -
: will a lot of people abandon IE in the interim, find a browser that they
: like and stick with it even if they upgrade to Windows 2005??
: (Hopefully, yes!) I saw some recent statistics on browser usage, and IE
: holds about 86% of the share. Of course, that's still a commanding
: lead, but it wasn't that long ago that it was at about 92%.

Question about that browser usage statistic...

Does AOL identify itself as IE? And what happens when AOL switches to
Mozilla?

How many of those IE users are really using Opera but haven't changed the
user agent string?

Joe Schwartz

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dal...@gcfn.org (Dave Althoff Jr) wrote:

> Does AOL identify itself as IE?

Yes, and it also adds "AOL" to the user agent string.

> And what happens when AOL switches to Mozilla?

Presumably, it'll change.

> How many of those IE users are really using Opera but haven't changed the
> user agent string?

Good question. Opera includes both "Opera" and "MSIE" in the user agent
string.

Chris Simon

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Dave Althoff Jr wrote:
> How many of those IE users are really using Opera but haven't changed the
> user agent string?

This is one slight problem. Opera is IE by default isn't it? Shooting
themselves in the foot there! Mind you, it's to get around sites that
reject browsers other than IE, so I suppose it's swings and roundabouts
(to keep this on topic!) as if people find that Opera is locked out of
certain sites then they'll switch to IE...

The statistics I quoted were from a site called Browser News I think -
it has 4 sources and admittedly they do vary quite a bit, one puts IE
much higher than I stated.

Wolf

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> Question about that browser usage statistic...
>
> Does AOL identify itself as IE? And what happens when AOL switches to
> Mozilla?
>
> How many of those IE users are really using Opera but haven't changed the
> user agent string?

Opera can also spoof Mozilla/Netscape, can't it?

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Dave Althoff Jr

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Wolf (bus...@adelphia.net) wrote:
: > Question about that browser usage statistic...

Yeah, just hit F12 and pick from a list. What I found was that if I left
it to spoof IE, it would frequently crash on ad banners and on sites
trying to do IE-specific stuff. If I told it to identify as Opera, it
generally worked fine, but some sites would assume it couldn't do things
that it could, so occasionally it would do strange things on some dynamic
pages (I remember ebay having some minor rendering issues...) but most of
those problems went away when I told it to spoof Mozilla.

Nice of Opera to let you change the user agent string on the fly. But all
of the user-agent strings also note that they are really Opera. Kind of
like Apple mentioning Mozilla in the Safari user agent string.

Ted Ansley

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On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 17:20:35 GMT, Joe Schwartz <j...@joyrides.com> wrote:

>Chris Simon <osia...@slcszetnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I saw some recent statistics on browser usage, and IE holds about 86%
>> of the share. Of course, that's still a commanding lead, but it wasn't
>> that long ago that it was at about 92%.
>
>It depends what audience you're sampling. For instance, 95% of Joyrides
>hits come from IE, and about 4% from Netscape/Mozilla.

Wow, that's really sad. I remember when Netscape was over 50%. I rarely
use IE, except of course when a page won't load on Netscape or the other
occasional browser I use. I could get by on my computer now with no MS
software,except for OS, if I so desired. I don't use Outlook Express for
Mail and News, I use Eudora and Free Agent. I also use Netscape,
OpenOffice.org, and other various software packages on a regular basis.

--------------------------
Ted Ansley
ans...@usa.com
RollerCoaster Fan<atic>

Joe Schwartz

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Ted Ansley <ans...@usa.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 17:20:35 GMT, Joe Schwartz <j...@joyrides.com> wrote:
>
> >Chris Simon <osia...@slcszetnet.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> I saw some recent statistics on browser usage, and IE holds about 86%
> >> of the share. Of course, that's still a commanding lead, but it wasn't
> >> that long ago that it was at about 92%.
> >
> >It depends what audience you're sampling. For instance, 95% of Joyrides
> >hits come from IE, and about 4% from Netscape/Mozilla.
>
> Wow, that's really sad. I remember when Netscape was over 50%.

It *is* sad, because Netscape totally blew it. I used Netscape for several
years before switching to IE, and I switched because Netscape crashed on me
several times a day. IE had fewer features than Netscape back then, but at
least it was stable. That's all it took for me to switch, and IE improved
very quickly over the next year or two.

Here's a good blog (from 2000) discussing one of Netscape's fatal mistakes:

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html

Coaster Enthusiasts of Canada

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William December Starr (wds...@panix.com) wrote:
: In article <tommy-90A811....@news.easynews.com>,
: tommy <to...@tommy.com> said:

: >> I get a page that says I need to upgrade my web browser and it
: >> suggests that for OS-X I should download Safari. Uh, yeah.
: >> Right. I'm *using* Safari. [Dave Althoff Jr]
: >
: > haha.. I get that too. It says Safari (greatest browser ever) is
: > Netscape 6.

*** I dislike websites which say to upgrade to `X' browser. It says to
me "I am too lazy to make this page accessible to everyone." I usually
send them a nasty note telling them to adhere to international
accessibility standards.


: I use Opera and I'm pretty happy with it, but I'm always willing to


: hear about something better. What's Safari's story?

: -- William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>

*** Opera is an excellent browser. I personally use Lynx and Arachne. I
find both stable and to work well.

Richard Bonner

Managing Director:
The Coaster Enthusiasts of Canada
www.CEC.chebucto.org

Coaster Enthusiasts of Canada

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William December Starr (wds...@panix.com) wrote:
: tommy <to...@tommy.com> said:

: > Safari, http://www.apple.com/safari/, is Apple's own browser.

: Ah, thanks. Well, let me know if they ever release a Windoze


: version. (Yes, I use Windows rather than Mac/Apple/whatever (that
: is, when I'm doing stuff that involves pictures and the like;
: otherwise I live on an old DOS box).

*** Ahh, the DOS window can do pictures, too, William. (-:


: No, I'm not going to apologize for it. :-)

: -- William December Starr

*** Power users need not apologise for anything.

If you like DOS, see my DOS website:

www.chebucto.ns.ca/~ak621/DOS/

Coaster Enthusiasts of Canada

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Dave Althoff Jr (dal...@gcfn.org) wrote:
: I use Opera at the office. It's fantastic, and it handles just about

: everything just fine, except for the occasional web page that sniffs it
: out and decides to play nasty. Try visiting Microsoft's knowledge base
: using Opera sometime...enjoy the microscopic text!

*** It is well documenmted that sleazy Microsoft places items on its
webpages to screw up Opera and other browsers.

Want to see other MS prejudices? Enter "Linux" into an MS search
engine, then enter it into, say Google. The number of hits differences is
amazing.


: At home, I use Safari almost exclusively, although there are a couple of


: things that don't work right...to do online banking, for instance, I have
: to use Camino (Mozilla), and the Burstnet intersitials on CoasterBuzz are
: all screwed up (don't pass URLs correctly) in Safari.

:
: --Dave Althoff, Jr.

*** Were those pages made with an MS web page maker?

Coaster Enthusiasts of Canada

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William December Starr (wds...@panix.com) wrote:
:I keep IE around for viewing

: the occasional site which by chance or design doesn't work well with
: Opera, but that's about it.) (Well, I also keep it around because
: there's no really good way of surgically excising it from Win98, but
: except for the above I generally ignore its existence.

: -- William December Starr

*** When I used to use Windoze 98 and Internet Deplorable, I used to
have a lot of problems with both. The two worst IE problems were that
it would regularily dump me right out of the program with no warning. The
program would be closed and the line hung up. (-:

Also, every so often it would try to downlaod something on its own and
I'd see that little letter with wings animation. I could never get rid of
it. I had people try and try. It would appear everytime I started IE. The
solution? Why, *reintall*, of course!

After three reinstalls over the course of a year and a fourth one
looming, I issued my all time favourite DOS command:

DELTREE C:\WINDOWS

Good riddance!

Coaster Enthusiasts of Canada

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Chris Simon (osia...@slcszetnet.co.uk) wrote:

: MS's decision to freeze IE development (and basically kill it off) is a
: strange one. They are banking on everyone upgrading to Windows 2005
: (whatever it's called) where the browsing technology will be completely
: integral to the OS, and of course it doesn't matter since they are the
: suppliers of the major desktop operating system.

*** Ahh, but it does matter. That system will likely make it virtually
impossible for a user to employ a non-MS browser on such a setup.


: But in this 2 or 3

: year gap, IE is getting a pretty bad reputation for being buggy and
: non-standards compliant and for pushing MS proprietary technology,

*** Of course. That is done to *force* people to use MS products. Is it
any wonder MS-free offices are springing up all over? MS is slowly
shooting themselves in the foot.

At one time MS was compatible with other manfacturers and MS products
could read those other softwares. Now, that is not the case. When I get an
MS document I cannot open, I send a nasty letter telling them to send it
in a *usable* form or don't bother to send it at all.


: in

: comparison to the other browsers that are in continual development -
: will a lot of people abandon IE in the interim, find a browser that they
: like and stick with it even if they upgrade to Windows 2005??

*** Many are still on the MS bandwagon and are too ignorant of what is
going on out there. However, I believe many businesses will adopt
alternatives. Then when they find such alternatives won't run on WIN
2005 (which will require a Pentium 15 running at 2.2 terahertz), they will
drop Windoze.


: (Hopefully, yes!) I saw some recent statistics on browser usage, and IE

: holds about 86% of the share. Of course, that's still a commanding
: lead, but it wasn't that long ago that it was at about 92%.

*** It holds it because it is *included* with every new PC sold! What
happend to consumer choice?


: The thing is, if Windows 2005 takes off and everyone does use it, MS

: will be in an even more dominant position than they are now. Of course,
: that's what they are hoping.
: --
: Chris Simon

*** As per my speculations above, I believe this will not turn out to be
the case. People are finally starting to wise up.

Coaster Enthusiasts of Canada

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Dave Althoff Jr (dal...@gcfn.org) wrote:
: Question about that browser usage statistic...

: How many of those IE users are really using Opera but haven't changed the
: user agent string?

*** I often wondered that, too. Given that all new PCs come with IE,
how many converts think to do that?

Coaster Enthusiasts of Canada

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Dave Althoff Jr (dal...@gcfn.org) wrote:
: Wolf (bus...@adelphia.net) wrote:
: : > Question about that browser usage statistic...
: : >
: : > Does AOL identify itself as IE? And what happens when AOL switches to
: : > Mozilla?
: : >
: : > How many of those IE users are really using Opera but haven't changed the
: : > user agent string?

: : Opera can also spoof Mozilla/Netscape, can't it?

: Yeah, just hit F12 and pick from a list. What I found was that if I left
: it to spoof IE, it would frequently crash on ad banners and on sites
: trying to do IE-specific stuff.

(Snip)
:
: --Dave Althoff, Jr.

*** Would not a better term be "impersonate"? Does Opera use the word
"spoof"?

Coaster Enthusiasts of Canada

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Joe Schwartz (j...@joyrides.com) wrote:
: I used Netscape for several

: years before switching to IE, and I switched because Netscape crashed on me
: several times a day.

*** But was the reason for crashing that Netscape was running under
Windows? I know Mac users whom swear by Netscape.


: IE had fewer features than Netscape back then, but at
: least it was stable.

*** I found IE to not be stable on my old WIN 95 and 98 systems.

Joe Schwartz

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Jan 6, 2004, 11:39:14 AM1/6/04
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c...@chebucto.ns.ca (Coaster Enthusiasts of Canada) wrote:

> Joe Schwartz (j...@joyrides.com) wrote:
> : I used Netscape for several
> : years before switching to IE, and I switched because Netscape crashed
> : on me several times a day.
>
> *** But was the reason for crashing that Netscape was running under
> Windows?

No, it was crashing because it was written poorly. Despite what you might
think, Windows rarely causes well-written programs to crash. However, it's
very good at exposing poorly written crap.

Joe Schwartz

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Jan 6, 2004, 11:55:12 AM1/6/04
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c...@chebucto.ns.ca (Coaster Enthusiasts of Canada) wrote:

> Chris Simon (osia...@slcszetnet.co.uk) wrote:
>
> : MS's decision to freeze IE development (and basically kill it off) is a
> : strange one. They are banking on everyone upgrading to Windows 2005
> : (whatever it's called) where the browsing technology will be completely
> : integral to the OS, and of course it doesn't matter since they are the
> : suppliers of the major desktop operating system.
>
> *** Ahh, but it does matter. That system will likely make it virtually
> impossible for a user to employ a non-MS browser on such a setup.

It'll be no harder to use a non-MS browser than it is today. You really
should get a clue before spouting such nonsense.

Pete McCutchen

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On 31 Dec 2003 14:22:34 GMT, steel...@aol.come2Mypark (Sam Marks)
wrote:

>>I'm typing this in the morning, just so you know, I'm not drunk.
>
>You might as well have been drunk, your complaints make no sense. Disney
>doesn't need to offer discounts (even though they are discounting room rates
>left and right) Disney consistantly offers more than value on its admission
>tickets.

They do? They've got three parks with what, half a dozen good rides
between them?

Sure, if your children are timid and cowardly, or if you have elderly
relatives, maybe Disney is the place to go. But in terms of actual
ride value, all three parks are the functional equivalent of one Six
Flags park.

When the Six Flags park is running the rides, that is.
--

Pete McCutchen

Coaster Enthusiasts of Canada

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