Six Flags America accused of being racist!
tanth...@yahoo.com
steelforce
tanth...@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/16/AR2006061601801.html
Please read this carefully then think about your racism claim
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The recent dust-up at Six Flags America probably resulted from the
effort by the new general manager, Terry Prather, to enforce the policy
since he came on board in February. The Largo park was taken over last
year by Washington Redskins owner Daniel M. Snyder, and its new
management has pledged to tighten up operations at the park -- and make
it more "family friendly."
Prather, who is black, said that allowing employees to wear hairstyles
that violate the park's policy would lead to customer service problems.
He said he has dealt with the ethnic hairstyles of his children, ages
23 to 33. "I totally understand it," he said. "I live with it."
He denied that the policy was antiquated or discriminatory, although he
understands why some employees might be upset.
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Its called LOOKING GOOD for your customers. PLUS long hair can be a
safety hazard when working on the rides.
An issue that has to do with race? YES, Racism, I don't believe so.
Also note that the former WHITE GM did not enforce the policy.
Rastus O'Ginga
wrote:
>
>Its called LOOKING GOOD for your customers. PLUS long hair can be a
>safety hazard when working on the rides.
So having long hair is not looking good? The balding middle-aged guy
cut isn't the choice for all of us, Sam.
Rastus O'Ginga
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Rob Ascough
"steelforce" <steel...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Prather, who is black, said that allowing employees to wear hairstyles
> that violate the park's policy would lead to customer service problems.
> He said he has dealt with the ethnic hairstyles of his children, ages
> 23 to 33. "I totally understand it," he said. "I live with it."
It's hilarious- and sad- when black people cry racism when another black
person is in question, like when Barry Bonds claims that people don't want
him to break Hank Aaron's home run record because he's black. I'm
completely against racism but it gets thrown around all the time- save it
for when it's an actual instance of racism.
tommyo
and they were hired with the long hair and never informed about the
policy. Six Flags has made some great changes this year, this isn't
one of them
steelforce
tommyo wrote:
> These were costumed characters, Sam - their natural hair was never seen
> and they were hired with the long hair and never informed about the
> policy. Six Flags has made some great changes this year, this isn't
> one of them
Were you there? Did you see the braids coming out the neck of
Sylvester when he bent over to greet a child? Company policy is
company policy, if you don't like the policy you shouldn't work for
that company!
Six flags is trying to clean up their act and adhering to the companies
policies is a good place to begin. I can assure you, as a long time
visitor to SFA the hair and grooming issue is quite a bit larger than
just the costumed characters.
SAM
Shawn Mamros
>So having long hair is not looking good? The balding middle-aged guy
>cut isn't the choice for all of us, Sam.
If the NY Yankees can force their overpaid players to cut their hair...
You do realize that you're actually agreeing with the ACLU's stance
on this one, right?
-Shawn Mamros
E-mail to: mamros -at- mit dot edu
Rastus O'Ginga
Shawn Mamros wrote:
> Rastus O'Ginga <ras...@kingwoodXXXXXcable.net> wrote:
> >So having long hair is not looking good? The balding middle-aged guy
> >cut isn't the choice for all of us, Sam.
>
> If the NY Yankees can force their overpaid players to cut their hair...
Those guys make millions, and have contracts. That's a huge
difference.
>
> You do realize that you're actually agreeing with the ACLU's stance
> on this one, right?
Yep. It frightens me. But, a good religious conservative doesn't
judge folks on thier appearance. Jesus had long hair, ya know.
Rastus O'Ginga
betsyb
<tanth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/16/AR2006061601801.html
>
These grooming standards have been in place since way before Six Flags came
there. It has always been company policy.
Betsy
tbar...@yahoo.com
Rastus O'Ginga wrote:
> Shawn Mamros wrote:
>
> Yep. It frightens me. But, a good religious conservative doesn't
> judge folks on thier appearance. Jesus had long hair, ya know.
>
earth (which no one can even prove), but I digress. . The problem I
have is that the guy with long hair was a character. No one ever saw
him. I guess it depends on how they are enforcing the policy with
other groups. The mohawk statement I found rather disingenuous,
because clearly Six Flags wouldn't allow anyone with a Mohawk to enter
the park. This really is a case where you need to be there to really
know what is happening.
garciy...@hotmail.com
When I worked for the security dept. at SFNE they told me my hair was
too long. I laughed and told them for a job where the hourly rate
wouldnt even cover the cost of the cut, it wasnt a job worth having. I
worked there for about a week, keeping my hair tucked under my hat
while by the gate and letting it out anywhere else. They should focus
on hiring "smart" people, not those that fit their standards.
Job didnt last that long actualy anyway, I had posted on this NG about
when superman would be running and when the Six Flags NG snoop saw the
post, they googled the poster and found that I had also posted about
puffing a blunt on superman and doing bong hits on collosus.
Just for fun, I told them I didnt use drugs and they could test me. I
went home, smoked a huge joint with my wife, drank a bottle of zydot
and went and took their test. The test came back negative for all
narcotis they tested for. Gotta love Zydot, be buzzed when you take
the test, and still come out negative.
Chuck
Keith Hopkins
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> On 19 Jun 2006 17:13:35 -0700, "steelforce" <steel...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>>Its called LOOKING GOOD for your customers. PLUS long hair can be a
>>safety hazard when working on the rides.
>
> So having long hair is not looking good?
Some people look good with long hair. The vast majority look like slovenly
tards. Get a haircut, hippie.
--
Keith Hopkins
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Rastus O'Ginga
tbar...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Rastus O'Ginga wrote:
> > Shawn Mamros wrote:
> >
> > Yep. It frightens me. But, a good religious conservative doesn't
> > judge folks on thier appearance. Jesus had long hair, ya know.
> >
> According to WESTERN images of him painted centuries after his time on
> earth
Italy is West of Israel, I guess. But, many paintings were done in
Italy, the capital of the Roman Empire when Jesus lived. I don't think
many pictures of Jesus have been done in the Orient.
> (which no one can even prove), but I digress. .
As I've asked before. Please prove that your parents are actually your
parents. Depending on the level of evidence expected, you might not be
able to do it.
The problem I
> have is that the guy with long hair was a character. No one ever saw
> him. I guess it depends on how they are enforcing the policy with
> other groups. The mohawk statement I found rather disingenuous,
> because clearly Six Flags wouldn't allow anyone with a Mohawk to enter
> the park. This really is a case where you need to be there to really
> know what is happening.
Agreed. If it was a guy with with Joe Dirt length mullet, the ACLU
wouldn't care.
But that doen'st excuse those on here with "the long hair = bad"
mentality. I wonder how the kids of today will even get jobs. Tattoos
have always been a major no-no. With the anti-long hair
stick-up-the-asses still around, I don't see tattoos being accepted any
time soon.
Rastus O'Ginga
Rob Ascough
<garciy...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Job didnt last that long actualy anyway, I had posted on this NG about
> when superman would be running and when the Six Flags NG snoop saw the
> post, they googled the poster and found that I had also posted about
> puffing a blunt on superman and doing bong hits on collosus.
>
> Just for fun, I told them I didnt use drugs and they could test me. I
> went home, smoked a huge joint with my wife, drank a bottle of zydot
> and went and took their test. The test came back negative for all
> narcotis they tested for. Gotta love Zydot, be buzzed when you take
> the test, and still come out negative.
And thousands of people can thank you for their increased safety now that
someone like you isn't working security for a theme park.
garciy...@hotmail.com
actually...thousands of people can now return to their cars with their
food which six flags banned and security guards like myself would allow
in. I wont even touch the stupidity of your statement other than to
say that. I know SF moniters these boards so I will only say that
there are a lot of of high people wearing nametags at six flags, some
of them in upper management positions....
how safe you feel now?
Chuck
garciy...@hotmail.com
> someone like you isn't working security for a theme park.
Okay, i wasnt gonna touch it, but I will say this.....
everywhere you go, you run into people who smoke pot in their own homes
at nite. Doctors, Lawyers, Bankers, cashiers, clerks, cops, fireman,
etc.
In the past 2 weeks, I have smoked with at least 1 person from each
profession. None of these people are putting anyone at risk.
security at a theme park is a joke of a job. If you think for one
minute 75% of these people are capable of keeping you safe you are
wrong. There is no restraint training, no classes on recognizing signs
of impairment and most certainly no training in crime solving.
a six flags security guard is not going to put his life on the line for
you. He is gonna call the code for the cops on his radio and run like
hell. Maybe he will take a day or 2 off to recover from the stress of
a traumatic incident. My guess is he also calls in sick for his mall
security job.
So tell me, the fact I was puffing nugs in the vaperizor on a teusday
makes six flags less safe on a friday, How?
Chuck
steelforce
I think this joker is the Pot Smoking Equivalent to Rob Viands
AirtimeJunkie
Back off of the hippies, dude! :)
Kevin "deadhead" Coley
AirtimeJunkie
Rob Ascough
<garciy...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> everywhere you go, you run into people who smoke pot in their own homes
> at nite. Doctors, Lawyers, Bankers, cashiers, clerks, cops, fireman,
> etc.
>
> In the past 2 weeks, I have smoked with at least 1 person from each
> profession. None of these people are putting anyone at risk.
Smoking, drinking, whatever is fine in the comfort of your own (or someone
else's home). Doing it on the job- ANY job- is just plain idiotic. That's
all I have to say.
gk
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I don't think long hair is bad, but I do think a company like Six Flags has
the right to set some standards for appearance of it's employees,
particularly those who are customer-facing.
Maybe he was going to be wearing character costumes, but it's dubious to
think that they should make an exception for some employees and not others,
especially when they may want their people to be flexible enough to be able
to work in other areas as scheduling needs dictate.
I'm fairly liberal on a lot of subjects, but on this I side with the park,
unless there really is a racially motivated angle here (say if they are
letting white guys with long hair off and only enforcing it on the blacks.)
David F
>The mohawk statement I found rather disingenuous,
>because clearly Six Flags wouldn't allow anyone with a Mohawk to enter
>the park.
SFGA Monday: Two twin boys, must have been 9 or 10, with Mohawks.
Father had a mullet. Mother was a literal blue-hair.
Regards,
David
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<ras...@kingwoodcable.net> wrote:
>Italy is West of Israel, I guess. But, many paintings were done in
>Italy, the capital of the Roman Empire when Jesus lived. I don't think
>many pictures of Jesus have been done in the Orient.
>
Rastus,
I don't know what your specific education in your religion is. I do
know mine wouldn't answer the following question:
Does any part of the New Testament actually contain a physical
description of what Jesus looked like?
Rastus O'Ginga
> Rastus,
>
> I don't know what your specific education in your religion is. I do
> know mine wouldn't answer the following question:
>
> Does any part of the New Testament actually contain a physical
> description of what Jesus looked like?
I think there are vague mentions, but I really don't know. Jesus'
depiction changes and is different in various places in the world, but
he always has long hair and a beard. I recently was going through my
old childhood stuff and found my vacation bible school certificates
from the 70s. THe Jesus on there practically looked like the Marlboro
man. MUCH older than usual, pushing 40. My wife and I found them very
strange.
No matter how he is depicted, at least Christians don't go killing
people over it like Mohammed and his salmon helmet.
Rastus O'Ginga
Rob Ascough
"Rastus O'Ginga" <ras...@kingwoodcable.net> wrote in message
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>
> Rob Ascough wrote:
>> Smoking, drinking, whatever is fine in the comfort of your own (or
>> someone
>> else's home). Doing it on the job- ANY job- is just plain idiotic.
>> That's
>> all I have to say.
>
> different than your employer putting cameras in your house.
I realize that, and I realize that many employers' desires to test their
employees for drugs is flawed (because you ARE being tested for what you do
while not on company time), but that wasn't the point of my post. I think
it's completely irresponsible for someone to be working at an amusement park
while high, just like it's irresponsible for a bus driver to be working
while drunk.
Rastus O'Ginga
Rob Ascough wrote:
>
> I realize that, and I realize that many employers' desires to test their
> employees for drugs is flawed (because you ARE being tested for what you do
> while not on company time), but that wasn't the point of my post. I think
> it's completely irresponsible for someone to be working at an amusement park
> while high, just like it's irresponsible for a bus driver to be working
> while drunk.
Oh, absolutely. I totally agree.
-r
Rob Ascough
And just for the record, I do not totally agree with drug testing. I don't
do drugs but I do drink (casually) and I wouldn't like it if employers
started testing for that. As long as someone is responsible enough to do
what they do and not have it affect how they operate while at work, I see no
reason to test people for anything.
When I worked at a supermarket years ago, part of the hiring process was to
take a drug test. It was laughable because it didn't take a brain surgeon
to realize who came in high and who didn't. The fact that the company
needed people to piss in a cup to prove that was a sad reminder of how inept
people can be.
AirtimeJunkie
While I do not condone drug testing, I would never support someone
doing drugs on the job, especially when it could affect the safety of
other people. That is just plain stupid.
Kevin
Rob Ascough
"AirtimeJunkie" <airtim...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> While I do not condone drug testing, I would never support someone
> doing drugs on the job, especially when it could affect the safety of
> other people. That is just plain stupid.
That's exactly the point I was getting at.
rogros...@yahoo.com
are hired that you are subject to drug testing, that way if you dont
want to be tested for drugs you can find other employment or start your
own business where you wont be subjected to these tests or have your
company offer them.
And while some people can consume alcohol or drugs and not have it
affect there job, there are large groups of people who cant properly
drink etc and it directly affects there job, be it from getting hurt at
work, calling in sick or being less productive, and that is something
we all pay for wjen in comes to purchasing products as it is factored
into the costs of everything we do. > Rob Ascough wrote:i
Steven Wilson
--snip--
> I don't think long hair is bad, but I do think a company like Six Flags has
> the right to set some standards for appearance of it's employees,
> particularly those who are customer-facing.
>
> Maybe he was going to be wearing character costumes, but it's dubious to
> think that they should make an exception for some employees and not others,
> especially when they may want their people to be flexible enough to be able
> to work in other areas as scheduling needs dictate.
The policy on costumed characters in theme parks almost always includes
having the characters accompanied by non-costumed escorts. It's not
unusual for employees to alternate between performing the character and
escort roles. While non-compliant hairstyles wouldn't likely be visible
inside the costume, they would be fully apparent while acting as a
character escort. Do costumed character employees at Six Flags America
usually perform the character escort role, too?
Steven GREAT AMERICA parks.
eze...@yahoo.com http://www.greatamericaparks.com/
Rastus O'Ginga
>I have no problem with drug testing as long as you are told before you
>are hired that you are subject to drug testing, that way if you dont
>want to be tested for drugs you can find other employment or start your
>own business where you wont be subjected to these tests or have your
>company offer them.
>
That's such a crock. Find me a place that doesn't drug test. I've
noticed recently more and more companies make you sign a waiver for
pre-employment screening. These waivers basically say you willingly
give up every protection you have from the law, so the company can
look into your private life as much as possible. I'd never work for a
company like that. But more and more companies do it. How many years
until they all do it, effectively nullifying all equal employement
protection laws? We're very close to that point already.
>And while some people can consume alcohol or drugs and not have it
>affect there job, there are large groups of people who cant properly
>drink etc and it directly affects there job, be it from getting hurt at
>work, calling in sick or being less productive, and that is something
>we all pay for wjen in comes to purchasing products as it is factored
>into the costs of everything we do.
More poppycock. Smoking absolutely causes every company orders of
magnitude more costs than anything else. I recall one company saying
they were going smoke free, but only one.
Even then, when will it stop? Will companies start running police
reports at random on employees? If you get a speeding ticket, will it
affect your job? Will you get fired for a spousal abuse charge or a
DWI? WIll there be anyone that will live up to the perfection
expected of the far from perfect management of that company?
I'm shocked at how much things like this has changed over the last ten
years. Just because it's easier to prod into everyone's lives,
doesn't mean a company should.
People complain about government phone tapping. There's a lot more
invasions into your privacy that you should be worrying about. One's
that will absolutely impact you personally. I have nothing to hide,
but when a convicted murderer shares your name and lived less than a
hundred miles away from you, you realize that flippant checks into
your personal life may not bet a good thing.
Rastus O'Ginga
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Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence.
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John-David
standards and enforce them. It seems like everytime this $h1T comes up,
someone has to run crying saying the company is racist......then they claim
their hair is that way for "Religious" reasons. Give me a freakin break....
*rolls eyes*
deadand...@gmail.com
>
> everywhere you go, you run into people who smoke pot in their own homes
> at nite. Doctors, Lawyers, Bankers, cashiers, clerks, cops, fireman,
> etc.
>
> In the past 2 weeks, I have smoked with at least 1 person from each
> profession. None of these people are putting anyone at risk.
>
> security at a theme park is a joke of a job. If you think for one
> minute 75% of these people are capable of keeping you safe you are
> wrong. There is no restraint training, no classes on recognizing signs
> of impairment and most certainly no training in crime solving.
>
> a six flags security guard is not going to put his life on the line for
> you. He is gonna call the code for the cops on his radio and run like
> hell. Maybe he will take a day or 2 off to recover from the stress of
> a traumatic incident. My guess is he also calls in sick for his mall
> security job.
>
> So tell me, the fact I was puffing nugs in the vaperizor on a teusday
> makes six flags less safe on a friday, How?
>
>From a sociological level, there is so much to be said about a post
like this. So, so much. I have to say, if you need justification for
the existence of USENET, here it is, plain as day.
In any case, this fellow is one hundred percent serious and correct.
About the only park I can think of that's markedly different is Cedar
Point, where security often carries guns.
deadand...@gmail.com
> safety hazard when working on the rides.
>
>
> Also note that the former WHITE GM did not enforce the policy.
Its funny. Disney, Cedar Point, and Universal all have similar
policies. No one complains about those places.