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If you speak English, please tell us all what this means. I'm not the
only one who doesn't understand. If you don't speak English, oh well,
ok.
Ride on,
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AJ
along with strange symbols and fractions...
-Adrenaline Junky of Florida
Dave Althoff Jr
: That's a language? I see equal signs, question marks, and capital letters..
: along with strange symbols and fractions...
Let me see...I don't have a modern code-page chart handy, but in
old-fashioned ASCII let's see what it says...
B1 EA D7 BC BC FE 2E CE E5 BD F0 BC FE
1 j W < < ~ . N e = p < ~
Hmmm... " 1jW<<~.Ne=p<~ " Still doesn't make sense. Maybe somebody
made a wrong move while playing Q*Bert.
AD AD C4 E1 F6 E5 A0 C1 EC F4 E8 EF E6 E6 AC A0 DD DB 8D
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Paul Asente
pli...@aol.comma (AJ) wrote:
> That's a language? I see equal signs, question marks, and capital letters..
> along with strange symbols and fractions...
Chinese, Japanese, and other Asian languages use 16-bit character sets
since they have too many characters to fit into an 8-bit character set.
If your computer is not set up to handle 16-bit characters, then it will
interpret each 16-bit character as two 8-bit characters, yielding
incomprehensible gibberish.
-paul asente
to reply, make the return host the same as my last name
Shawn Mamros
>Let me see...I don't have a modern code-page chart handy, but in
>old-fashioned ASCII let's see what it says...
>
>B1 EA D7 BC BC FE 2E CE E5 BD F0 BC FE
>1 j W < < ~ . N e = p < ~
Strictly speaking, Dave, ASCII is seven bits only; in octet representation,
the high-order bit is always zero. Only one of those characters (2E) is
"proper" ASCII; the rest all have a high-order bit of one. Yeah, your
translation is right if you mask that bit off, but it still isn't "right".
(And yeah, it's a pedantic nit all right, but then again I get paid to
do this stuff for a living...)
>AD AD C4 E1 F6 E5 A0 C1 EC F4 E8 EF E6 E6 AC A0 DD DB 8D
Two can play at that game, but I'll do it with the "right" high-order bit...
2D 53 68 61 77 6E 20 4D 61 6D 72 6F 73 20 28 48 69 20 44 61 76 65 21 29
45 2D 6D 61 69 6C 20 74 6F 3A 20 6D 61 6D 72 6F 73 40 6D 69 74 2E 65 64 75
Niomosy
> That's a language? I see equal signs, question marks, and capital letters..
> along with strange symbols and fractions...
>
>
> -Adrenaline Junky of Florida
Those characters are coming through perfectly fine for me.
It's Chinese fonts. Try going to Google's newsgroups and view it
there. That's what I'm doing. The Chinese fonts show fine. Not that
I can read Chinese, I just know they are (that and the poster had a
.cn address which denotes China)
Dave Althoff Jr
: Dave Althoff Jr <dal...@gcfn.org> wrote:
: >Let me see...I don't have a modern code-page chart handy, but in
: >old-fashioned ASCII let's see what it says...
: >
: >B1 EA D7 BC BC FE 2E CE E5 BD F0 BC FE
: >1 j W < < ~ . N e = p < ~
: Strictly speaking, Dave, ASCII is seven bits only; in octet representation,
: the high-order bit is always zero. Only one of those characters (2E) is
: "proper" ASCII; the rest all have a high-order bit of one. Yeah, your
: translation is right if you mask that bit off, but it still isn't "right".
My translation is more or less what my computer would interpret, though
admittedly that doesn't match the common ASCII code page. But that's the
only ASCII table I happened to have handy.
: (And yeah, it's a pedantic nit all right, but then again I get paid to
: do this stuff for a living...)
Remember, I come from the Apple ][ world. There, that eighth bit is
significant, in that when you write the value to the screen, values
$00-$3F show up as inverse uppercase, $40-$7F show up as flashing
uppercase, $80-$9D are treated as control characters, and $9E-$FF are
normal printable characters. Furthermore, the keyboard sends values with
the high bit set because the high bit is used to determine whether a new
keystroke is sitting in the keyboard buffer or not. Luckily, Applesoft
fixes all this for BASIC programmers, as GET always returns a keystroke
with the high-bit cleared, and PRINT CHR$() doesn't do exactly as you
would expect...a PRINT CHR$(68) will actually write a $C4, $04, or $44
depending on whether the screen mode is set to NORMAL, INVERSE or FLASH.
My signature actually alludes to this quirk of the Apple not only because
of the set high bit, not only because of the 'naked CR' used as a
delimiter, but because if you decode it, it looks like this:
: >AD AD C4 E1 F6 E5 A0 C1 EC F4 E8 EF E6 E6 AC A0 DD DB 8D
- - D a v e A l t h o f f , ] [ CR
: Two can play at that game, but I'll do it with the "right" high-order bit...
: 2D 53 68 61 77 6E 20 4D 61 6D 72 6F 73 20 28 48 69 20 44 61 76 65 21 29
: 45 2D 6D 61 69 6C 20 74 6F 3A 20 6D 61 6D 72 6F 73 40 6D 69 74 2E 65 64 75
...making it slightly more difficult for me to read, but was able to manage!
AD AD C4 E1 F6 E5 A0 C1 EC F4 E8 EF E6 AC 00 DD DB 8D A0 A0 A8 C8 E9 AC A0
D3 E8 E1 F7 EE A1 A1 A9 8D
Wolf
For the love of God, someone buy this man an Apple ][e!
We feel for you Dave.
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-Wolf (who thought his P2-400 was feeling underpowered)
Dave Althoff Jr
: For the love of God, someone buy this man an Apple ][e!
I have a ][e. And an enhanced //e, although its HD has gone flaky (yes, a
HD on an enhanced //e with a couple of megs of RAM...it has a Ramworks
card, but I am not sure how big it is). And a //c. And a couple of
IIgs's, one of which I just added a 355Mb hard drive to last night. I
need a good portable display for the //c, though...
Another reason I haven't upgraded yet: I don't have enough desk space for
the machines I have (the Amiga still sits in a closet, the Lisa 2/5 in the
spare bedroom) let alone for a new machine...!
: We feel for you Dave.
If I could bring myself to spend the money I'd buy a new Apple G4. Maybe
once Avid releases Xpress DV for Macintosh......... 8-)
--Dave Althoff, ][.
Sandy A. Nicolaysen
>> : Two can play at that game, but I'll do it with the "right" high-order
>bit...
>>
>> : 2D 53 68 61 77 6E 20 4D 61 6D 72 6F 73 20 28 48 69 20 44 61 76 65 21 29
>> : 45 2D 6D 61 69 6C 20 74 6F 3A 20 6D 61 6D 72 6F 73 40 6D 69 74 2E 65 64
>75
>>
>> ...making it slightly more difficult for me to read, but was able to
>manage!
>>
>> AD AD C4 E1 F6 E5 A0 C1 EC F4 E8 EF E6 AC 00 DD DB 8D A0 A0 A8 C8 E9 AC A0
>> D3 E8 E1 F7 EE A1 A1 A9 8D
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>> /-\ _ _ *** Closed for the season. ***
>> /XXX\ /X\ /X\_ _ /X\__ _ _ _____
>> /XXXXX\ /XXX\ _/XXXX\_ /X\ /XXXXX\ /X\ /X\ /XXXXX
>> _/XXXXXXX\__/XXXXX\/XXXXXXXX\_/XXX\_/XXXXXXX\__/XXX\_/XXX\_/\_/XXXXXX
>
>For the love of God, someone buy this man an Apple ][e!
>
>We feel for you Dave.
Don't laugh! I still own an Apple ][ (no + and no e), serial number
57 that I bought in 1979. It cost $1700 back then. Came with 32K
(yes K!) of memory. Funny thing is that darned computer still works!
2nd place winner is an HP Laserjet II+ that I bought in 1986. Still
works too.
There are people that post in RRC that are younger than both!
And don't get me started on the Apple III or the Apple Lisa! :-)
- Sandy "old and crusty" Nicolaysen
Jeffrey Cook
I still have my Atari XL 1200 and my Amiga 1000 somewhere. And my
Laserjet III that I bought in 1990. It still is works perfectly. The
PC clones I have had over the years have been cabbaged for parts
though.
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______________________
Jeff Cook
Jeff....@verizon.net
Dave Althoff Jr
: Don't laugh! I still own an Apple ][ (no + and no e), serial number
: 57 that I bought in 1979. It cost $1700 back then. Came with 32K
: (yes K!) of memory. Funny thing is that darned computer still works!
32k is the smallest machine you can have and still use both DOS 3.3 and
one page of hi-res (280x192, 1-bit 4-color) graphics. I think. Let's
see, DOS buffers start at $9600 on a 48k machine, back that up by $4000,
that would be $5600, which is right near the end of hi-res Page 2
($4000-$5FFF). Both pages exist on a 32k machine, but clearing Page 2
would trash DOS. Not that it would be a big deal...the Apple ][ came with
Integer BASIC, which had no built-in routines for hi-res graphics...that
came with Applesoft which requires a 64k machine to load into RAM, a ROM
card, or an Apple ][+ which would have not only Applesoft, but the
Autostart ROM as well.
Yeah, Sandy, I know about the screenfull of inverse question marks on startup,
too! 8-)
: 2nd place winner is an HP Laserjet II+ that I bought in 1986. Still
: works too.
: There are people that post in RRC that are younger than both!
: And don't get me started on the Apple III or the Apple Lisa! :-)
I don't have a III or an original Lisa, but I have acquired a Lisa 2/5.
Big 5.25" Seagate drive loud enough to wake the dead packed into a huge
case designed to sit on top of an Apple III. 5Mb. By comparison, the
IIgs I am using right now has 5.25Mb of RAM! 8-)
--Dave Althoff, ][.
Keith Hopkins
news:a3sd5a$b29$1...@acme.gcfn.org...
> Another reason I haven't upgraded yet: I don't have enough desk space for
> the machines I have (the Amiga still sits in a closet,
A 1000?
> the Lisa 2/5 in the
> spare bedroom) let alone for a new machine...!
Holy cow. A Lisa. I've never physically seen a Lisa.
--
Keith Hopkins
suss...@blockvisi.com (clear the block to reply)
Ayn Rand: "Choosy Moral Objectivists choose Jif!"
Jeff Tolotti
>If I could bring myself to spend the money I'd buy a new Apple G4.
Highly recommended... :)
************
Jeff Tolotti
Dave Althoff Jr
: From: dal...@gcfn.org (Dave Althoff Jr)
: >If I could bring myself to spend the money I'd buy a new Apple G4.
: Highly recommended... :)
...and I just read today that Avid is releasing Xpress DV 3.0 for the
Macintosh "in the second quarter of 2002." The program I want for the
platform I want...whoo boy...! Now, how to avoid the debt load that would
require.........!
--Dave Althoff, Jr.
Flare
> ...and I just read today that Avid is releasing Xpress DV 3.0 for the
> Macintosh "in the second quarter of 2002." The program I want for the
> platform I want...whoo boy...! Now, how to avoid the debt load that would
> require.........!
I know Xpress is a nice, tempting platform from the industry stardard (Avid)
for non-linear editors, but I think Final Cut Pro is truly worth a look.
They've recently release version 3 and it's primed for the (pentium CRUSHING,
unix based G4) 10.1 OS... Every profesional I've spoken with about the
"native" road, from a price perspective speaks solely of FCP... And now with
the dual processor capabilities with real time effects (etc.) software
efficiency on every level will improve...on macs anyway. :-)
And incidentally, Dave (Though you've probably seen, but it's worth
mentioning), mac has also released the dual 1GHz G4... With a price tag of
$2,999. And the new i-macs (I test drove one yesterday) are absolutely
stunning, and brilliantly FAST!
It is definitely an investment, but one that's sure worth it.
Dave
Dave Sandborg
<sfog...@aol.comNOSPAM> wrote:
> From: dal...@gcfn.org (Dave Althoff Jr)
>
> >If I could bring myself to spend the money I'd buy a new Apple G4.
>
> Highly recommended... :)
I'll vouch for the Titanium PowerBook! :-)
Niomosy
news:20020205213914...@mb-fa.aol.com...
Considering they're posting from a .cn address, I'd guess it's in China.
Don't have the Chinese fonts installed so I can't say for sure.