Sony ICF-SW7600GR vs. Grundig G5
SQ
Suggestions?
I hear that G5 has better speaker while 7600GR has better sensitivity.
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/1534?page=5
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/5687
user
The grundig with sync detection coming??
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> SQ wrote:
> > Trying to decide between Sony ICF-SW7600GR �and Grundig G5.
> > Suggestions?
>
> > I hear that G5 has better speaker while 7600GR has better sensitivity.
>
> >http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/1534?page=5
> >http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/5687
>
> The grundig with sync detection coming??
>
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Right now, The Sony's sync detection makes it slightly better. IMHO,
the G5/E5/DE1103 (all really the same radio) has better sensitivity
and audio, though. That's why so many of us are waiting to try the new
G3 that's due out next month. The G3 will add sync to the G5 -
possibly producing a better alternative.
Many also promote the Sony as being of better quality. The 7600GR that
I've owned for about a year, though, is already losing the SSB/sync
detection to an internal parts failure. The E5 I've owned for about
2.5 years and it seems to be doing fine.
Mike
Louisville, KY
~ RHF
> On Jun 18, 3:45 am, user <d...@allemaale.be> wrote:
>
>
>
> > SQ wrote:
> > > Trying to decide between Sony ICF-SW7600GR and Grundig G5.
> > > Suggestions?
>
> > > I hear that G5 has better speaker while 7600GR has better sensitivity.
>
> > >http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/1534?page=5
> > >http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/5687
>
> > The grundig with sync detection coming??
>
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> > 700+ Radio Stations on SWhttp://swstations.tk/
> > Shortwave transmissions in English, Francais, Nederlands, Deutsch,
> > Suid-Afrikaans, Chinese, Dansk, Urdu, Cantonese, Greek, Spanish,
>
> Right now, The Sony's sync detection makes it slightly better. IMHO,
> the G5/E5/DE1103 (all really the same radio) has better sensitivity
> and audio, though. That's why so many of us are waiting to try the new
> G3 that's due out next month. The G3 will add sync to the G5 -
> possibly producing a better alternative.
>
> Many also promote the Sony as being of better quality.
- The 7600GR that I've owned for about a year,
- though, is already losing the SSB/sync
- detection to an internal parts failure.
? Based on what testing, analysis, facts, etc . . . ?
Mike
>
> - The 7600GR that I've owned for about a year,
> - though, is already losing the SSB/sync
> - detection to an internal parts failure.
>
> ? Based on what testing, analysis, facts, etc . . . ?
>
At least two posts on this on the 7600GR Yahoo group in the past two
weeks. Check it out.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/7600GR/message/4825
SSB signals can't be completely clarified into intelligible speech.
Lost the ability to tune a broadcast signal in selectable ECSS, as can
easily be done, usually. Loses sync lock easily when in sync mode,
makes a lots of tonal noise (howling) around the loss of sync.
Interestingly, no problems at all with my 14 year old Sony 7600G.
I've been busy playing with a Radio Shack DX-390 the past few days.
Makes me miss my old DX-440, which I gave to my brother years ago. I
may have to pick one of those up on eBay...
Have a happy day, RHF!
Mike
Stormy Louisville
D. Peter Maus
One of the things that characterizes Sony's foray into SMD
construction is an eerily consistent and predictable SMD
electrolytic failure. This results in all sorts of things. Top of
the list howling on AM, sometimes SSB.
"Grundig" radios (not made by, or even with the involvement of
Grundig AG, in most cases) seem not to develop this problem.
One of the great advantages touted by Sony advocates is the sync
detector, often hammered by Larry "The Greatest Shortwave Radio Ever
Made" Magne as an indispensible necessity to shortwave listening.
These two items taken together give you what? Great radios that
reliably fail almost on a schedule. And Sony service is an
experience that would drive a Zen Master to a clock tower with a 30-06.
Compare to the Lex-Tecs-Pass-dig-sahn specials marketed under the
Grundig handle these days. Better sound. Decent sensitivity, lower
failure rate, less sophisticated detection.
It looks pretty much either/or.
Until you consider that sensitivity is only a practical issue up
to a threshold. Reception on the lower HF bands, especially, is
limited more by atmospheric noise than sensitivity. Nearly every
radio has the sensitivity. It's the noise that kills you. And the
more sensitive your radio is, the more noise you're going to hear.
And the ratio of desired signal to atmospheric noise on the same
antenna is going to be the same no matter the sensitivity. So, look
at raw sensitivity as secondary priority. Only a few radios lack
meaningful sensitivity. The 'Grundig' YB 500 and its clones and
variants is an example of an amazingly deaf radio. It's in the
minority.
And, even in that case, if you need more input to the radio, use
more antenna.
The sync issue seems to be the biggest issue, here. Some will
tell you not to buy a radio without it. Truth is, it's a useful
tool. Like a selection of filters. But it's not the be-all and the
end-all of radio detection. I have it on many of my radios. I use it
sparingly. You can often do as well using ECSS and a selection of
filters as many can with sync. I've found passband tuning to be far
more useful than sync. And in many cases, liberal use of PBT
precludes decent sync lock anyway.
So, it really is an either/or.
And YOUR priorities are going to determine the outcome of this
decision. Not anyone's advice. Not anyone's numbers. You need to
decide what your primary listening interests are. Select a radio
that meets them. In YOUR location. That can't be overstated. Some
radios benefit from higher dynamic range to avoid overload in high
signal areas. If you don't have high signal levels in your area, you
don't need to worry about overload, its artifacts, and it's real
listening consequences.
The best advice: Go listen to a lot of radios. Listen to them in
your area. Get a real feel for what you like, and what you don't
like. And when you find something you like that does what you need
it to do, screw the all the advice, screw all the numbers, and buy it.
Buy what you want, and you'll never experience buyer's remorse.
m II
> Sony service
An oxymoron, if ever there was one.
That company defines Corporate Arrogance.
mike
Mike
wrote:
Very well put, Peter. I have emphasized several of your points in
threads were I have defended the Eton E5 as being a better receiver
for my purposes than the Sony7600GR. I've also had SMD problems with
both a Sony 2010 and an SW77.
My favorite implementation of sync has probably been my Grundig SAT800
and Eton E1XM (definitely related to Grundig design), and in both I
probably do more DXing in ECSS mode as opposed to sync. The PBT on the
E1 is probably used 20X more than I use the sync function.
How you been doing lately, Peter?
Mike
Louisville, KY
Mike Mc Manus
Just listening to the Sony and the Grundig G5- the Grundig has better
sound . The Grundig also has a much larger memory ( 700 vs. 100 for
the Sony). I find the single sideband better on the Sony by far. The
sony also has synch detection for AM listening. I would compare a
Grundig G3 to a Sony 7600 GR when the Grundig arrives in July of this
year (hopefully).
Mike
~ RHF
> On Jun 18, 12:36 am, SQ <onestatus...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Trying to decide between Sony ICF-SW7600GR and Grundig G5.
> > Suggestions?
>
> > I hear that G5 has better speaker while 7600GR has better sensitivity.
>
>
> Just listening to the Sony and the Grundig G5- the Grundig has better
> sound . The Grundig also has a much larger memory ( 700 vs. 100 for
> the Sony). I find the single sideband better on the Sony by far. The
> sony also has synch detection for AM listening. I would compare a
> Grundig G3 to a Sony 7600 GR when the Grundig arrives in July of this
> year (hopefully).
> Mike
If you are a "Program Listener" who Listens to the
Radio for Hours and Hours : Go With 'The Sound'.
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Mike
The E5/G5/DE1103 receivers are really better in a couple of major
ways:
1. Smaller and lighter.
2. Better audio.
3. Far more advanced synthesizer circuitry, resulting in a
significantly lower noise floor, making the radio seem super-
sensitive.
4. A pretty good narrow filter. I used to think that the sync on the
Sony gave it better ultimate selectivity, but side-by-side listening
shows me that my E5/G5/DE1103s compete pretty well with the
selectivity of the 7600G/GR.
5. A hell of a lot more memories than the Sony.
I look forward, of course, to owning a G3.
Mike
Louisville, KY