SPECIAL: Did Blago Break Any Laws?
Dave
Mike
> I think this guy is gonna walk. Did any cash change hands?
Conspiracy charges don't require the actual transfer.
Mike
Dave
I don't believe conspiracy is a crime.
Mike
Then you need to study law, Dave. Conspiracy to commit a crime is,
indeed, a crime. Ask any lawyer or police officer.
Dave
> On Dec 11, 10:08 am, Dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
>> Mike wrote:
>>> On Dec 11, 9:10 am, Dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:
>>>> I think this guy is gonna walk. Did any cash change hands?
>>> Conspiracy charges don't require the actual transfer.
>>> Mike
>> I don't believe conspiracy is a crime.
>
> Then you need to study law, Dave. Conspiracy to commit a crime is,
> indeed, a crime. Ask any lawyer or police officer.
The law doesn't change my belief. Thought crime is a slippery slope.
Bob Campbell
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>>> I don't believe conspiracy is a crime.
>>
>> Then you need to study law, Dave. Conspiracy to commit a crime is,
>> indeed, a crime. Ask any lawyer or police officer.
>
> The law doesn't change my belief. Thought crime is a slippery slope.
Your belief has no effect on the law.
He wasn't "thinking" about this. He was openly talking to friends and
colleagues about breaking the law, about how he wanted to get the most for
the Senate seat. That is conspiracy.
Mike
>
> The law doesn't change my belief. Thought crime is a slippery slope.
Well, what you think is not against the law. But once you start
communicating with other people and advocating breaking the law you
have committed a crime. If you attempt to persuade someone to commit a
crime, you are guilty if the crime is committed.
For example, I may think that someone should suffer for something
they've done wrong to me. That's not a crime. But when I attempt to
persuade someone to join me in exacting some sort of illegal revenge
then I have committed a crime.
That's been the law for a very long time and I'm a little surprised
you seem unaware that conspiracy to committ ilegality is, in itself,
illegal,
Dave
He's gonna walk. That is one flimsy-ass case.
Bob Campbell
> He's gonna walk. That is one flimsy-ass case.
You're dreaming. They have him on legal wiretaps. The only place he is
walking to is prison.
Mike
> "Dave" <d...@dave.dave> wrote in message
I particularly enjoyed the transcripts with his wife screaming
obcenities in the background! He's toast - his approval ratings have
fallen into the single digits.
RHF
> On Dec 12, 9:13 am, "Bob Campbell" <b...@bob.bob> wrote:
>
> > "Dave" <d...@dave.dave> wrote in message
>
> >news:49426d12$0$31151$bd46...@news.dslextreme.com...
>
> > > He's gonna walk. That is one flimsy-ass case.
- - You're dreaming.
- - They have him on legal wiretaps.
- - The only place he is walking to is prison.
TBL - Facing 30 Years in Jail . . .
Blagojevich will roll-over and Tell All on All
-oops- Or Blagojevich will Commit Suicide
{With Assistance If Necessary}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Blagojevich
- I particularly enjoyed the transcripts with his wife
- screaming obcenities in the background!
His 'wife' is Patricia Mell Blagojevich who is the
Daughter of Richard Mell [D] Chicago Alderman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Mell
- He's toast - his approval ratings have fallen into
- the single digits.
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David
We should change the laws;
They're outdated.
This way, say some rich FUCK wants to buy a senate seat
get contracts for his family business
Import Illegal workers and have them work in Factories at sub Min wage
& maybe just stop paying Pension benefits to retired workers
And
Pocket the difference..
He can do it !
Amereica,
The Smell of Napalm in the morning . .
Mike
You've now drifted of the topic of conspiracy law. And hiring illegal
immigrants is illegal under the current law. It happens, but rich
companies (like Wal-Mart) are being caught and fined for it on a
regular basis.
Mike
RHF
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1 - Its Against The Law {Ethics}
2 - He Got Caught {Ratted-Out}
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Dave
Have him what? Running his mouth? Do they have a conversation between
the governor and a prospective interim Senator (or delegate) discussing
trading the appointment for some form of consideration?
Being a jerk and an idiot is not a crime.
dxAce
Dave wrote:
He opened his mouth,
The Feds were on the line,
Gov. Blago will soon be doing time.
He opened his mouth,
He can't explain why,
Now it's bye bye Blago,
Bye bye.
Yeah, it's bye bye Blago,
Bye bye.
Dave
A profane spouse is not a crime. Neither is falling popularity (except
in Hollywood).
Dave
> We should change the laws;
> They're outdated.
>
> This way, say some rich FUCK wants to buy a senate seat
>
> get contracts for his family business
> Import Illegal workers and have them work in Factories at sub Min wage
>
> & maybe just stop paying Pension benefits to retired workers
> And
> Pocket the difference..
>
This is the way things are done in AmeriKKKa. Always have been.
Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds?
Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in
here.
Croupier: Your winnings, sir.
Renault: Oh. Thank you very much. Everybody out at once.
Renault is handed his gambling winnings by the croupier as he finishes
his pronouncements.
Telamon
Dave <da...@dave.dave> wrote:
Popularity? Well, there is this thing called impeachment.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Frank Dresser
"Dave" <da...@dave.dave> wrote in message
The senate seat thing has national attention but the play-for-pay scandal
has been investigated for a couple of years. I suspect the arrest was timed
to prevent other politicians from getting themselves dragged in. There was
no need to let Blago hang himself even further.
Blago may be more than just a jerk and an idiot, even by Illinois political
standards. Here's but one example, not on the national news:
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2008/12/blagojevich-childrens-memorial.html
Frank Dresser
Dave
>
> Popularity? Well, there is this thing called impeachment.
>
Really? Why is Cheney still free?
Bob Campbell
> Telamon wrote:
>
>>
>> Popularity? Well, there is this thing called impeachment.
>>
>
> Really? Why is Cheney still free?
What impeachable offense has he committed? Be specific - "they knew" or
"they lied" is not enough.
Also, an allegation of a crime is not enough. You need evidence, like
being recorded on wiretaps in a conspiracy to break laws.
cuh...@webtv.net
Detroit used to have The Purple Mob.Maybe they still have.
cuhulin
Billy Burpelson
Telamon wrote:
>> Popularity? Well, there is this thing called impeachment.
Dave wrote:
> Really? Why is Cheney still free?
Didn't you mean to say "Bush and Cheney"?
Billy Burpelson
>>> Popularity? Well, there is this thing called impeachment.
"Dave" <da...@dave.dave> wrote:
>> Really? Why is Cheney still free?
Bob Campbell wrote:
> What impeachable offense has he committed? Be specific - "they
> knew" or "they lied" is not enough.
Lying us into a bogus war is not enough? 'Outing' a working CIA agent
isn't TREASON?
Bob Campbell
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> Lying us into a bogus war is not enough? 'Outing' a working CIA agent
> isn't TREASON?
No. Lying is not against the law. If it was, every politician in the word
would be in jail. Besides no one has proved they actually lied. Congress
and other countries saw the same intelligence reports and believed them,
including Clinton in 1998.
No one has proved Bush or Cheney "outed" any CIA agents either.
You can't impeach people just because you don't like their policies.
Try again.
cuh...@webtv.net
he was bird hunting in Texas.ShotgunCheney shot Mr.Whittington.
cuhulin
Telamon
Dave <da...@dave.dave> wrote:
You want Cheney gunning for you? I don't.
<http://www.dickcheneygunclub.com/>
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Billy Burpelson
> "Billy Burpelson" <bi...@burpelsonafb.net> wrote in message
> news:v4e1l.10251$be....@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> Lying us into a bogus war is not enough? 'Outing' a working CIA agent
>> isn't TREASON?
Bob Campbell wrote:
> No. Lying is not against the law.
Even if it causes a bogus war, tens of thousands of lives and a Trillion
dollar drain on the Treasury?
> If it was, every politician in the
> word would be in jail.
Not every politician has lied us into a useless, bogus war either.
>Besides no one has proved they actually lied.
Several books have been written by several insiders saying that W was
spoiling to get into Iraq almost since day one of his Administration.
Furthermore, if you haven't already done so, I respectfully suggest that
you read "What happened : inside the Bush White House and Washington's
culture of deception" by Scott McClellan. McClellan, an insider who had
daily access to Bush, an honest man whose conscience finally got the
better of him and who blew the whistle on Bush's...ahem..."manipulation"
of the intelligence. No tape recording or 'iron clad' proof, but where
there is smoke, there is fire -- and there sure has been a lot of smoke
over his Administration. The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming.
> No one has proved Bush or Cheney "outed" any CIA agents either.
It seems fairly obvious to the not-so-gullible that Libby fell on his
sword for Cheney. Hard to believe that Cheney's -top- aide went off
totally on his own, working in a vacuum without any direction from
above. Again, the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming.
Feel free to have the last word.
Bob Campbell
> Even if it causes a bogus war, tens of thousands of lives and a Trillion
> dollar drain on the Treasury?
No. Again, you have not proved anything, Don't you think that if there
were ANY evidence to support the "Bush Lied" allegation, the
Democrat-controlled Congress would be all over it?
On one hand we have "Bush is stupid". On the other hand we have "Bush is so
smart and shrewd he concocted a watertight lie that convinced the Congress
and the entire world, to get us into a war. BTW, Bill Clinton believed
the evidence in 1998, so Bush was at work on this before he was elected!"
So which is it?
You can keep repeating "Bush Lied" all you want. That does not make it
true, nor is it evidence. Books being written is not evidence either.
There are people repeating the allegation that Obama is not a U. S. citizen,
and I'm sure there will be books written about it. Therefore we all "know"
it's true, right?
"Knowing" something is true and proving it legally are two very different
things.
Thank heavens.
Dave
Outing Valerie Plame.
Dave
> "Billy Burpelson" <bi...@burpelsonafb.net> wrote in message
> news:v4e1l.10251$be....@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> Lying us into a bogus war is not enough? 'Outing' a working CIA agent
>> isn't TREASON?
>
>
> No. Lying is not against the law. If it was, every politician in the
> word would be in jail. Besides no one has proved they actually lied.
> Congress and other countries saw the same intelligence reports and
> believed them, including Clinton in 1998.
>
> No one has proved Bush or Cheney "outed" any CIA agents either.
>
Bob Campbell
> Outing Valerie Plame.
You can prove this, right? Allegations are not enough.
Bob Campbell
>> No one has proved Bush or Cheney "outed" any CIA agents either.
>>
> No one has tried to prove it.
Then there is nothing to the allegation, is there?
>Ron Paul doesn't lie.
Right.
Billy Burpelson
> "Billy Burpelson" <bi...@burpelsonafb.net> wrote in message
> news:bIr1l.8512$as4....@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
>> Even if it causes a bogus war, tens of thousands of lives and a
>> Trillion dollar drain on the Treasury?
Bob Campbell wrote:
> No. Again, you have not proved anything,
No, -I- didn't, but have you read Mr. McClellan's book yet?
> On one hand we have "Bush is stupid".
Agreed
> On the other hand we have "Bush is so smart...
You never heard me utter those words. ;-)
> You can keep repeating "Bush Lied" all you want. That does not make
> it true, nor is it evidence. Books being written is not evidence
> either.
Maybe not 'evidence' per se, but then not all books were written by an
insider with a conscience and -daily access- to Bush. If you don't
believe McClellan's book (you -have- read it, haven't you?), what would
it take to convince you? A self-incriminating confession signed in blood
by W?
Finally, you present me with a difficult choice...
Do I believe Scott McClellan, an insider with daily access to Bush or do
I believe Bob Campbell. (Who?). :-)
However, I consider myself to be a fair person. If you can show me your
credentials that you've been on the national and international political
stage, were one of Bush's insiders with daily access to him and tell me
the title of -your- book, I will be glad to entertain the idea that you
think you know more than Mr. McClellan.
Bob Campbell
> Maybe not 'evidence' per se, but then not all books were written by an
> insider with a conscience and -daily access- to Bush. If you don't believe
> McClellan's book (you -have- read it, haven't you?), what would it take to
> convince you? A self-incriminating confession signed in blood by W?
So you believe everything you read?
Again, books are not proof of anything. Books contain allegations, all of
which we have heard before. If there was ANYTHING to them, don't you think
the Democrat controlled Congress would have been all over it? Don't you
think Congress had their own behind the scenes investigations going on?
They were looking, HOPING for a reason to impeach Bush. Yet nothing ever
came of it. Why do you suppose that is?
No, I haven't read it. There are lots of books I haven't read. If
McClellan thought he had something concrete, why didn't he go to the
police/FBI/CIA/Justice Department/Congress/whoever? Why did he just write
a book? Money, perhaps? Or maybe he had no real evidence, just his
"recollections" and "interpretations and conclusions"? "Washington
Insider" books are a time honored tradition, generating millions of dollars
for the authors regardless of what they have to say.
I claim no "insider experience". For you to suggest that is just silly.
But the facts, viewed objectively, say that either Bush didn't lie, or he is
a political/intelligence/tactical genius who perpetrated the greatest scam
in U. S. history, starting while Clinton was President. Remember, Bill
Clinton in 1998 was talking about WMD in Iraq. AND Bush did all of this
without ANY evidence left behind! Truly amazing!
Which is it?
EVERYONE believed the Iraq intelligence. Bush, Congress, England, Bill
Clinton in 1998 etc. etc. The intelligence was simply wrong.
Of course, that answer is too easy. Everything *must* be a gummint
conspiracy!
Look, I'm no fan of Bush. He clearly has fucked things up on a scale not
seen since Jimmy Carter. But if he is as dumb as he appears, then he
simply could not have pulled off what you accuse him of.
Dave
Impeachment doesn't require proof. It requires a trial, during which
proof is offered. Without impeachment, no chance for proof.
Dave
>> If
> McClellan thought he had something concrete, why didn't he go to the
> police/FBI/CIA/Justice Department/Congress/whoever?
Yeah. Simple Scotty should have told Attorney General Alberto
"Torquemada" Gonzales all about it. That would've gone really far.