(OT) General Electric.
cuh...@webtv.net
light bulb factory.
http://www.devilfinder.com
General Electric closing down last incandescent light bulb factory
There used to be a General Electric light bulb factory on Highway 80
here in Jackson, many years ago.I reckon I am going to the store and
load up on more General Electric Reveal 60 Watt Incandescent Light
Bulbs.
It is the end of an Era, boys and girls.
cuhulin
dave
We've advanced past etching grooves in shellac to store sound, too.
Does anyone still use stock tickers? Kinetoscopes?
DEFCON 88
My only beef with compact flourescents is the buzzing noise they
sometimes cause on the radio, plus they're rumored to contain toxic
material in their base.
DEFCON 88
And how much you wanna bet that all the compact flourescents are, or
soon will be, made overseas? More American jobs lost.
D. Peter Maus
Actually, it's Mercury. In the tube, not the base.
Most of the newer ones don't make as much noise as flourescents
used to. You have to be pretty much on top of them to hear a bump in
the noise level.
Even so, I put grounded metal screens around mine. Pretty easy to
do with recessed lighting. The brass screen makes a subtle grille.
Less simple, but no more difficult, with free standing lamps.
The most noise from my CFL's comes from the switching transients
in the electronics in the base. Safetly caps across each socket
eliminated that.
D. Peter Maus
Nearly all of them are made in China, now.
cuh...@webtv.net
just the other side of my kitchen door burnt out.I think it lasted about
three or four months before it burnt out.I replaced it with a new
G.E.Reveal incandescent 60 Watt light bulb.
I am real Smart when it comes to light bulbs.I know which ones are the
Best.
cuhulin
Brenda Ann
"D. Peter Maus" <dpete...@att.net> wrote in message
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lamps, of which a few gazillion are in service worldwide...
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
dave
>> Nearly all of them are made in China, now.
>>
> Note: There's far less mercury in CFL's than in standard 4' fluorescent
> lamps, of which a few gazillion are in service worldwide...
>
>
An incandescent lamp causes more mercury to enter the biosphere, due to
increased use of fossil energy to power the less efficient bulb. Coal
plants release more radioactive material than nukes, too, BTW.
cuh...@webtv.net
is over 100 years old now.They don't build them like that anymore.
cuhulin
RHF
> On 9/8/10 16:37 , DEFCON 88 wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 8, 5:33 pm, DEFCON 88<DEFC0...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> On Sep 8, 2:11 pm, dave<d...@dave.dave> wrote:
>
> >>> cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
> >>>> JT, on his radio talk show, said G.E.is closing down last incandescent
> >>>> light bulb factory.
>
> >>>>http://www.devilfinder.com
> >>>> General Electric closing down last incandescent light bulb factory
>
> >>>> There used to be a General Electric light bulb factory on Highway 80
> >>>> here in Jackson, many years ago.I reckon I am going to the store and
> >>>> load up on more General Electric Reveal 60 Watt Incandescent Light
> >>>> Bulbs.
> >>>> It is the end of an Era, boys and girls.
> >>>> cuhulin
>
> >>> We've advanced past etching grooves in shellac to store sound, too.
> >>> Does anyone still use stock tickers? Kinetoscopes?
>
- - - is the buzzing noise they sometimes cause
- - - on the radio,
Now said to be centered around 14 MHz ?
- - - plus they're rumored to contain toxic material
- - - in their base
It's Electronics -ie- Lead
It's a Fluorescent -ie- Mercury
Note - The new Cold-Cathode CFLs [CCFLs /C2FLs]
are said to be Mercury Free and can actually last
25K Hours and save on Electricity too.
http://www.betterbulb.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_cathode
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp
http://www.cfluniversenew.com/servlet/the-Cold-Cathode-fdsh-25000-Hour-CFL/Categories
- - And how much you wanna bet that all the compact
- - flourescents are, or soon will be, made overseas?
- - More American jobs lost.
- Nearly all of them are made in China, now.
The Chinese Workers Glow-in-the-Dark . . .
Saves on the cost of electricity for their families.
.
RHF
FWIW,
Have some Outside Yellow LED Bug Lits
that are now 7 Years Old and run from D2D
Have some other Outside Yellow Cold Cathode
CFLs that are now 3 Years Old and run from D2D
Twain Harte, CA Hot in the Summer and Cold in
the Winter. ~ RHF
.
arthr...@webtv.net
Let's come back in 2030 and see if any of them last more than 20-25
years! There are some real champions in the incandescent world.
Several are over a 100 years old. And some of them have never been
shut off ! Florescent lights are detrimental all-around. Most CFLs
are poorly made and overpriced. LED bulbs may be the current winner by
most standards,but the price is quite steep,last time I checked. Long
live the incandescent light bulb !
RHF
Now that is True One CFL Bulb = 1
Original and Five Replacement Incandescent Bulbs = 6
Incandescent Bulbs* to One CFL Mercury Emissions
over the Life of One CFL Bulb : 6-to-1
* The Mercury Emissions from Coal Powered Electric
Power Plants for One Incandescent Bulb during it's
short life; is about the same as the Mercury in One CFL
for it's much longer life.
Cold Cathode CFLs [CCFLs] are 25-to-1 ~ RHF
Note - The new Cold-Cathode CFLs [CCFLs / C2FLs]
are said to be near Mercury Free; and can actually
last 25K Hours and save on Electricity too.
http://www.betterbulb.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_cathode
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp
.
.
bpnjensen
The incandescent bulb with which I am familiar - that champeen in
Livermore, California - is something like an 8- or 12-watt carbon
filament bulb. It just keeps on burning that low wattage forever.
I have never had an incandescent bulb last more than about 5 years in
light service. Traditional Fluorescents are no betters. The CFLs I
have used, however, have yet to fail...the oldest is 6 years and
running, AND it uses a LOT less energy for same light output.
Bruce Jensen
bpnjensen
wrote:
> "D. Peter Maus" <dpeterm...@att.net> wrote in messagenews:i690tf$ki4$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
And I would also note - there is also far less Hg when the bulb is
finally wasted than in the fossil fuel smoke the thing saved while it
operated. A bulb with Hg in it is *manageable Hg*, something that can
be dealt with - the heavy-metal-laden smoke that comes out of a coal
plant, even heavily filtered, is essentially unmanageable.
Bruce Jensen
bpnjensen
Livermore, California firehouse. Well over 100 years old and still
burning nonstop.
RHF
> On Sep 8, 8:06 pm, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > I wonder if that old light bulb in Dallas is still working? I think it
> > is over 100 years old now.They don't build them like that anymore.
> > cuhulin
- Livermore, California firehouse.
- Well over 100 years old and still
- burning nonstop.
IIRC - The LFD have been running this Bulb
on 85 VAC for several decades . . .
Like a lot of the so-called Long Life Bulbs that
operate at reduced Lumins or are designed for
150 VAC and Operate with less Light-Output
at 120 VAC; and both cost you more to buy.
~ RHF
.
Brenda Ann
<arthr...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Let's come back in 2030 and see if any of them last more than 20-25
years! There are some real champions in the incandescent world.
Several are over a 100 years old. And some of them have never been
shut off ! Florescent lights are detrimental all-around. Most CFLs
are poorly made and overpriced. LED bulbs may be the current winner by
most standards,but the price is quite steep,last time I checked. Long
live the incandescent light bulb !
Those ancient incandescents have gotten to be ancient because they are being
run WAAAAY below the light output considered standard today. To get to a
decent light output, they would have to run at least 50% higher voltage, and
would likely die quickly at that point. If you use 220V incandescents in
your home, they will last virtually forever, but won't put out much light...
same with those antique Edisons...
arthr...@webtv.net
The one in Texas was in an Opera House in Ft.Worth. I believe it is in
a museum now. Insofar as AC voltages are concerned- if I'm correct
nearly all small early electrical devices were rated at 100V
( whether AC or DC is unimportant,since the earliest electricity was
DC,until Tesla proved otherwise and the first AC power stations
appeared in upstate NY). If Livermore FD has only 85 volts supplying
the champion bulb that may be necessary. By the way, the average Con
Ed supplied voltage over here has been over 120 volts for years,closer
to 125 and even higher in some places! Last few years even florescent
lights seem to burn out much quicker than the so-called life cycle
claimed and the incandescents pop almost immediately.Some of them last
only a few weeks/months. Even the best brand-names. Entire China must
been laughing non-stop all the way to the bank ...
cuh...@webtv.net
twenty years ago? I almost never use it, but it requires a 40 Watt
Incandescent light bulb for light and the heat from the Incandescent
light bulb to make it work.
I reckon I ought to stock up on some G.E.40 Watt Incandescent Light
Bulbs too.
cuhulin
bpnjensen
> On Sep 8, 10:38 pm, bpnjensen <bpnjen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 8, 8:06 pm, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > > I wonder if that old light bulb in Dallas is still working? I think it
> > > is over 100 years old now.They don't build them like that anymore.
> > > cuhulin
>
> - Livermore, California firehouse.
> - Well over 100 years old and still
> - burning nonstop.
>
> IIRC - The LFD have been running this Bulb
> on 85 VAC for several decades . . .
I thought it was even less than that. That light is a very dim bulb.
dave
Sure they do. Run a 130V traffic signal bulb on 30 or 40 Volts and it
will glow orange forever.
dave
Huh? Why?
dave
That's an oven bulb. They'll be around forever. A CFL will melt on broil.
dave
>
> I thought it was even less than that. That light is a very dim bulb.
Hello!
cuh...@webtv.net
to collect all kinds of very old, old, old thingys, it's not all junk
either) that accept two 40 Watt Incandescent light bulbs, (oven bulbs)
that will be 80 Watts? I still prefer G.E.Reveal 60 Watt Incandescent
Light Bulbs.
cuhulin
DEFCON 88
-------------------------------------------------------
[...]
>
> By the way, the average Con Ed supplied voltage over here has been
> over 120 volts for years,closer to 125 and even higher in some places!
>
-------------------------------------------------------
I have an AC line voltage meter (digital LED) plugged into an outlet.
Several times over the last few years the voltage exceeded the
allowable maximum of 126 volts, sometimes reaching 130. I always
reported this to the electric company and the problem always turned
out to be with a regulator at a substation. The scary part is that had
I not reported it, there's no telling how long the problem might have
gone unnoticed. Voltage here usually ranges between 122 and 124
depending on time of day and overall load (lower during the day,
higher at night). It's almost always above 120. The engineers at the
electric company told me that their equipment is designed to keep the
voltage between 114 and 126 volts (120 volts plus or minus 5%), and
anything outside that range is abnormal.
Have any of you guys experienced abnormal voltage issues? What is your
average voltage range? Just how robust are modern electronic
appliances when faced with _modest_ abnormal voltages.
Geoffrey S. Mendelson
> Have any of you guys experienced abnormal voltage issues? What is your
> average voltage range? Just how robust are modern electronic
> appliances when faced with _modest_ abnormal voltages.
I can't speak for US appliances. Since the EU "normalized" their line voltage
to 230 volts, appliances destined for sale in the EU have to work with line
voltages of 220 volts (Continental Europe) up to 240 volts (UK).
In plain English the EU by law made everything 230 volts, but range is wide
enough so that anything between 220-240 volts (and some "give" on each end)
is acceptable and the devices must accomodate them.
Some things are sold on a more reality based plan, they list the wattage
at 220 and 240 such as some 5-7 watt bulbs I bought.
Here in Israel, the line voltage has been 230 volts for a long time so that
people bringing 220 volt equipment from the EU or 240 volt equipment from
the UK could just change their plugs and go.
As far as I know, Australia uses 240 volt household current and actually
says it. :-)
Geoff.
--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM
To help restaurants, as part of the "stimulus package", everyone must order
dessert. As part of the socialized health plan, you are forbidden to eat it. :-)
RHF
- - arthrny...@webtv.net wrote:
- - Long live the incandescent light bulb !
- Huh? Why?
Something to do with the Illuminati . . . maybe . . .
RHF
last
- only a few weeks/months. Even the best brand-names. Entire China
must
- been laughing non-stop all the way to the bank ...
Yes for many decades the Incandescent Light Bulb
has defined : Planned Obsolescence.
RHF
The Solar Array Inverted requires that the AC Line
Voltage is below 126 VAC otherwise it will not feed
back into the Grid. The Solar people put a Meter
on the AC Drop for a few days and ours was 130+
most of the time. PG&E had to come out and replace
the Pole-Transformer with a different one; and adjust/
reset something at the substation. Now we are feeding
Power into the Grid at least on Sunny Days :o)
We have one room where I have replace the AC Line
Clocks three times; because they all ran fast by up
to 5 Minutes a day. Had to go with a Battery Clock.
No problem with any other AC Clocks in any of the
other rooms; and those clocks worked a-ok in other
locations; both before and after being in 'the room'.
~ RHF
.
.
RHF
> On Sep 8, 11:33 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 8, 10:38 pm, bpnjensen <bpnjen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 8, 8:06 pm, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > > > I wonder if that old light bulb in Dallas is still working? I think it
> > > > is over 100 years old now.They don't build them like that anymore.
> > > > cuhulin
>
- - - Well over 100 years old and still
- - - burning nonstop.
- - IIRC - The LFD have been running this Bulb
- - on 85 VAC for several decades . . .
- I thought it was even less than that.
- That light is a very dim bulb.
Yeah I have read 85 VAC a couple of times; but
once read 67 VDC supplied by a Set-Down
Transformer with some big old Selenium Rectifiers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selenium_Rectifier
http://www.theodoregray.com/PeriodicTable/Samples/034.2/s7s.JPG
.
RHF
- - bpnjensen wrote:
- - I thought it was even less than that.
- - That light is a very dim bulb.
- Hello!
Yes speaking of 'Dim Bulbs' how are you Dave ;;-}}
.
cuh...@webtv.net
Alternating Voltage in Foreign Countries
I have an (old, very old) AC line voltage meter too, the kind that sits
on a shelf or bench or whatever and it plugs into a wall outlet.I
haven't used it in a few years, but when I did use it, it was showing a
steady 120 Volts Alternating line current.That needle was rock steady on
120 Volts AC.
Actually, an old buddy of mine and another guy was throwing away a bunch
of old thingys at a scrap iron yard about thirty years ago.The AC Volt
(the one that I have) meter was one of at least two they were throwing
away.
Back in the 1970's, I traded him a 1931 Ford car I used to own (I bought
that 1931 Ford car for $700.00 from an old guy in Sublette,Kansas back
in the 1970's) for his 1939 Ford car.Later on, he told me the brakes on
the 1931 Ford car failed and he said he went to dodging!
cuhulin
dave
> Have any of you guys experienced abnormal voltage issues? What is your
> average voltage range? Just how robust are modern electronic
> appliances when faced with _modest_ abnormal voltages.
>
>
State of the art power supplies are switch mode and usually will work
from way below 114 to way above 126.
I lost Neutral once on my 120/240 single phase. It was creepy.
dave
> when I once worked for a metropolitan agency.
> [69w/130v clear with edison base]
> Weren't the brightest in the house,
> but produced enough light and the price was right.
> As with any low paid government job
> it was considered lagniappe.
>
They use them in FAA fixtures, too.
cuh...@webtv.net
Irish woman wayyyyyyyy over yonder across the big pond.I already knew
they have different AC voltage and plugs over there, so I also sent her
an adapter thingy with different plugs.And a bag of Cornmeal so she
could make some Cornbread.Her Cornbread turned out to be a disaster.They
just don't know how to cook in Limeyland.T'IS True!
cuhulin
arthr...@webtv.net
>
> - Show quoted text -
That is very strange! I always thought modern AC alarm clocks used 60
Hertz as time reference.
RHF
Strange in-deed the Radio in the Room would
pick-up C2C AM 24&7 - nbr ~ RHF
.
m II
>> it was considered **lagniappe**.
There's a word you don't see everyday. Thanks for giving it me.
mike
m II
They use 240 volt bulbs at some traffic crossings. It's a 120 V
supply. They do last forever. I once read somewhere that the life
doubles for every 7 percent reduction in voltage.
That would make sense. The heat produced would be the square of the
voltage change, hence 49 percent lower with a 7 percent voltage reduction.
mike
Brenda Ann
<arthr...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>
> We have one room where I have replace the AC Line
> Clocks three times; because they all ran fast by up
> to 5 Minutes a day. Had to go with a Battery Clock.
> No problem with any other AC Clocks in any of the
> other rooms; and those clocks worked a-ok in other
> locations; both before and after being in 'the room'.
>
> ~ RHF
> .
> .- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
That is very strange! I always thought modern AC alarm clocks used 60
Hertz as time reference.
Many don't use the line for reference anymore, this is because they use a
battery backup that has a crystal oscillator and frequency divider to keep
the time when the power goes out. They use that same oscillator as the
reference on AC, too. All of these digital clocks are really susceptible to
line noise. They also go nuts if you have them on a UPS and the power goes
out. I've had some of ours gain up to 15 minutes with the power out for only
5 minutes..
RHF
wrote:
> <arthrny...@webtv.net> wrote in message
>
> news:bf721f33-56b3-4fd5...@z25g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > We have one room where I have replace the AC Line
> > Clocks three times; because they all ran fast by up
> > to 5 Minutes a day. Had to go with a Battery Clock.
> > No problem with any other AC Clocks in any of the
> > other rooms; and those clocks worked a-ok in other
> > locations; both before and after being in 'the room'.
>
> > ~ RHF
> > .
> > .- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
- That is very strange! I always thought modern
- AC alarm clocks used 60 Hertz as time reference.
At least the old Clocks with a Round Face
and Hands did. -circa- 1930s + + + + +
60 Hz AC Motor:Gears>Seconds:Gears>Minutes:Gears>Hours
and many seemed to last forever . . . , , ,
- Many don't use the line for reference anymore, this is because they
use a
- battery backup that has a crystal oscillator and frequency divider
to keep
- the time when the power goes out. They use that same oscillator as
the
- reference on AC, too. All of these digital clocks are really
susceptible to
- line noise. They also go nuts if you have them on a UPS and the
power goes
- out. I've had some of ours gain up to 15 minutes with the power out
for only
- 5 minutes..
Yeah AC-to-DC
DC-to-Time Source
Time Source-to-Numeric Display[DC]
Strange Indeed : This happen about 4-Years ago
in a new room addition.
First bought a 'new' Digital Clock and plugged it in
the new room. Within a week or two I noticed it was
almost an Hour ahead.
Swapped It Out with another Good Right-On-Time
Clock [Years of Being On-Time] from another room.
New Clock Worked A-OK in the other room; and
the Old Clock started to run fast in the new room.
Checked the AC Volts several times N&D 125~130
and Checked the AC Hertz *On 60 Hz
Tried the Swap-out thing another time; with the same
'strange' results.
Went out an bought a Battery Powered Wall Clock
Octagon Face and 3-Hands and the Time has been
A-OK ever since. -knock-on-wood-
Oops as a matter of fact I do not think that I have
replace the battery in that Clock since I hung it on
the Wall around . . . -add-to-to-do-list-
Note the same Power Plug powers a LCD TV,
DVD Player and Radio al of which have always
worked A-OK.
~ RHF
.
D. Peter Maus
> That is very strange! I always thought modern AC alarm clocks used 60
> Hertz as time reference.
They do. If the line frequency is stable.
I had a similar problem with SWEPCo when I was in Texas. The
studio clocks drifted by as much as 10 seconds either way every hour
because the line frequency drifted.
dave
>
> That is very strange! I always thought modern AC alarm clocks used 60
> Hertz as time reference.
Can you get an inverter to lock to an external time reference. Quartz
crystals wander all over the place. I use atomic clocks almost exclusively.
dave
But over an extended period of time a synchronous clock in the USA will
not gain nor lose any time. The power plants speed up under light load
and slow down under stress, but they average 60 Hz precisely over the
long term. Specifically to keep old school clocks accurate.
Less civilized places don't bother.
arthr...@webtv.net
No,leave the Illuminati alone . I tend to favor vacuum (tubes/valves/
lamps) most of the time. Hail to the Incandescent Lamp!
arthr...@webtv.net
> >> On Sep 8, 10:38 pm, bpnjensen <bpnjen...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> >> > > I wonder if that old light bulb in Dallas is still working? I think it
> >> > > is over 100 years old now.They don't build them like that anymore.
> >> > > cuhulin
>
> >> - Well over 100 years old and still
> >> - burning nonstop.
>
> >> IIRC - The LFD have been running this Bulb
> >> on 85 VAC for several decades . . .
>
> >I thought it was even less than that. That light is a very dim bulb.
>
> I used to get the old incandescent traffic signal bulbs
> when I once worked for a metropolitan agency.
> [69w/130v clear with edison base]
> Weren't the brightest in the house,
> but produced enough light and the price was right.
> As with any low paid government job
> it was considered lagniappe.
>
>
> Operator Bob
> Echo Charlie 42- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
NYC MTA used to install left-threaded light bulbs years ago. Many
people didn't know that fact, and must have been greatly puzzled when
they brought them home!
arthr...@webtv.net
Now it starts making sense.Wow. Out of curiousity I started to check
local AM broadcast tone at the beginning,during half hour... my AT@T
cell phone... against WWV and CHU. Indeed,most of the time radio
stations are off up to 20 seconds ! Cell phone time is lagging a bit
(around 5 seconds) . Must be the notorious 60Hz fluctuation .
D. Peter Maus
It's rare, now, that line frequency is that unstable. Here in
Illinois, it's pretty much on target most of the time. Some
variation occasionally. But for the most part, by the end of the
day, it's made up, and clocks are on the mark.
But 20 years ago, there was a lot of variation.
RHF
- Hail to the Incandescent Lamp!
Arthrny - ? Hail ? is it 'Hail' you say . . .
May our Great Lord Obama "HEAL" you of your Addiction
to Wasting Energy by Using Incandescent Light Bulbs.
Turn-On the "Obama-Rays"© and 'Heal' This Energy Addict !
http://www.wreckthetapedeck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/3.jpg
* "Obama-Rays"© Channeling Energy Direct from the Sun
http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/images/sunearth_lg.gif
.
Here are the "Obama-Rays"© in Black and White
if you can not receive them in Color. {in DreamLand}
http://www.obamaspast.com/images/similarities/obama_rays_propaganda_01.jpg
.
-Tip- Place your Left Ear on the PC Monitor Screen
to improve your reception of the "Obama-Rays"©
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_N7Gq7V1jfdE/Saw9k3pWNAI/AAAAAAAAATQ/x6yG_o34D9M/s400/mar02-09-image1.jpg
.
-Warning- Beware of the Peanut-Rays©
and of getting Carter-Rized© by them ;-}
http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/peanut-rays.jpg
.
arthrny - have a solar empowered obama-day :o) ~ RHF
http://wahinoho.net/images_temp/logobama.jpg
.
.
Kevin Alfred Strom
It's very unlikely that modern broadcast facilities are using
AC-synchronous clocks. The delay you notice is probably due to
satellite network delays, talk radio delay devices, and the like.
With best wishes,
Kevin, WB4AIO.
--
http://kevinalfredstrom.com/
D. Peter Maus
I believe he was being facetious.
Due to the large amount of satellite delivered programming, much
of it automated, the bulk of modern stations' clocks are sync'ed to
a satellite delivered time standard. The most delay you're going to
see there, is a second or two. If the station is a mix of
automated/live, and it's a talk station, you'll see an additional 8
seconds or so of delay.
But there will be significant consistency. Otherwise they
wouldn't be able to meet network feeds on time.
The last station I worked using an AC synchronous clock was in
Louisiana during the mid-80's. Also SWEPCo. There was still some
swing, but less than a second or two an hour.
Everything since has been sync'ed to a satellite delivered
network clock.
Joe from Kokomo
> On Sep 10, 8:06 am, "D. Peter Maus"<dpeterm...@att.net> wrote:
>> On 9/10/10 24:09 , arthrny...@webtv.net wrote:
>>
>>> That is very strange! I always thought modern AC alarm clocks used 60
>>> Hertz as time reference.
>>
>> They do. If the line frequency is stable.
>>
>> I had a similar problem with SWEPCo when I was in Texas. The
>> studio clocks drifted by as much as 10 seconds either way every hour
>> because the line frequency drifted.
On 9/11/2010 12:28 AM, arthr...@webtv.net wrote:
> Now it starts making sense.Wow. Out of curiousity I started to check
> local AM broadcast tone at the beginning,during half hour... my AT@T
> cell phone... against WWV and CHU. Indeed,most of the time radio
> stations are off up to 20 seconds ! Cell phone time is lagging a bit
> (around 5 seconds) . Must be the notorious 60Hz fluctuation .
60 Hz fluctuations at the telephone company would be unusual -- because
they don't use 60 Hz for a time standard.
I can't speak for the cell phone industry, but here in the Great Midwest
10 or 12 years ago, all the land line telco central offices installed
GPS receivers. No, not to find out where they were, but to derive very
accurate timing from the GPS satellites. Although I can't yet state that
for sure, I would think the cellular offices use a similar GPS timing
scheme.
I don't know what is causing the variation in time you are seeing, but
you can take it to the bank that 60 Hz has NOTHING to do with it.
Joe from Kokomo
> NYC MTA used to install left-threaded light bulbs years ago. Many
> people didn't know that fact, and must have been greatly puzzled when
> they brought them home!
Interesting thought, but the reason they used the left hand threads was
to keep the knuckle draggers from stealing the bulbs. So, presumably
(and hopefully), not too many bulbs found their way "home". :-)
cuh...@webtv.net
cuhulin
RHF
-
- There really is such a thing as a left handed monkey wrench.
- cuhulin
Left-Handed Monkey Wrench: Stories and Essays
-by- Richard McKenna
http://www.amazon.com/Left-Handed-Monkey-Wrench-Stories-Essays/dp/0870213458
.
dave
Radio stations are required to have profanity delays. Some networks
haven't compensate so the ids and news are late. Some stations dump the
delay when on the network. Live TV shows start 10 seconds early.
dave
> or they wouldn't have ever been 'sampled'.
> I've never seen wrong threaded edison base bulbs,
> nor mogul or candelabra for that matter.
> Only left hand threads I've ever encountered were in gas plumbing.
>
The FCC requires reverse thread SMAs on WiFi gear.
arthr...@webtv.net
>
> - Show quoted text -
This occured during the last summer. May be the heavy energy
consumption is the the reason.
arthr...@webtv.net
> On Sep 10, 9:04 pm, arthrny...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > On Sep 9, 3:47 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 9, 8:50 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:- - arthrny...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > > - - Long live the incandescent light bulb !
>
> > > - Huh? Why?
>
> > > Something to do with the Illuminati . . . maybe . . .
>
> > No,leave the Illuminati alone . I tend to favor vacuum (tubes/valves/
> > lamps) most of the time.
>
> - Hail to the Incandescent Lamp!
>
> Arthrny - ? Hail ? is it 'Hail' you say . . .
>
> May our Great Lord Obama "HEAL" you of your Addiction
> to Wasting Energy by Using Incandescent Light Bulbs.
>
> * "Obama-Rays"© Channeling Energy Direct from the Sunhttp://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/images/sunearth_lg.gif
> .
> Here are the "Obama-Rays"© in Black and White
> .
> -Tip- Place your Left Ear on the PC Monitor Screen
> .
> -Warning- Beware of the Peanut-Rays©
> and of getting Carter-Rized© by them ;-}http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/peanut-rays.jpg
> .
> arthrny - have a solar empowered obama-day :o) ~ RHFhttp://wahinoho.net/images_temp/logobama.jpg
> .
> .
Over the years some people claimed that florescents cause vision
impairment. Seriously.
arthr...@webtv.net
> or they wouldn't have ever been 'sampled'.
> I've never seen wrong threaded edison base bulbs,
> nor mogul or candelabra for that matter.
> Only left hand threads I've ever encountered were in gas plumbing.
>
>
> Operator Bob
> Echo Charlie 42
Only in NYC.
dave
>
> Over the years some people claimed that florescents cause vision
> impairment. Seriously.
Psychosomatic twaddle. An incandescent lamp pulses 60 times a second, a
CFL flashes 10,000 times a second. Imperceptible to the human eye.
RHF
> On Sep 11, 6:45 am, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 10, 9:04 pm, arthrny...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 9, 3:47 pm, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 9, 8:50 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:- - arthrny...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > > > - - Long live the incandescent light bulb !
>
> > > > - Huh? Why?
>
> > > > Something to do with the Illuminati . . . maybe . . .
>
> > > No,leave the Illuminati alone . I tend to favor vacuum (tubes/valves/
> > > lamps) most of the time.
>
> > - Hail to the Incandescent Lamp!
>
- -
- - May our Great Lord Obama "HEAL" you of your Addiction
- - to Wasting Energy by Using Incandescent Light Bulbs.
- -
- - Turn-On the "Obama-Rays"© and 'Heal' This Energy Addict !
- - http://www.wreckthetapedeck.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/3.jpg
- - * "Obama-Rays"© Channeling Energy Direct from the Sun
- - http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/images/sunearth_lg.gif
- - .
- - Here are the "Obama-Rays"© in Black and White
- - if you can not receive them in Color. {in DreamLand}
- - http://www.obamaspast.com/images/similarities/obama_rays_propaganda_0...
- - .
- - -Tip- Place your Left Ear on the PC Monitor Screen
- - to improve your reception of the "Obama-Rays"©
- - http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_N7Gq7V1jfdE/Saw9k3pWNAI/AAAAAAAAATQ/x6yG_o3...
- - .
- - -Warning- Beware of the Peanut-Rays©
- - and of getting Carter-Rized© by them ;-}
- - http://sheikyermami.com/wp-content/uploads/peanut-rays.jpg
- - .
- - arthrny - have a solar empowered obama-day :o) ~ RHF
- - http://wahinoho.net/images_temp/logobama.jpg
- - .
- - .
- Over the years some people claimed that
- florescents cause vision> impairment.
- Seriously.
As does Watching TV . . . in a darkened room
.
RHF
- - florescents cause vision impairment. Seriously.
- Psychosomatic twaddle.
- An incandescent lamp pulses 60 times a second,
- a CFL flashes 10,000 times a second.
- Imperceptible to the human eye.
'Special Dave',
That was a 'claim' about old time Fluorescent
Light Tubes; and had to do with the Flickering
and Color; while working in Offices 40 HaW+
Yes new CFLs do have far less 'Flicker' and the
Color of the new CFLs is greatly improved.
~ RHF
.
.
D. Peter Maus
Bell Labs did a study that concluded some fluorescent tubes'
flickering caused personality disorders, and physical health ills.
The study also concluded that the extra blue, and especially
ultraviolet, contributed to, but did not cause, cataracts. But did
cause eye strain and headaches.
So, AT&T standardized on warm white tubes with less flickering
for office lighting, as a result. And by painting the office walls a
specific shade of beige, and recessing the tubes in fixtures that
limited direct exposure to the tubes, attenuated the amount of
visual flickering in the ambient light, so productivity could be
improved.
Incandescents were considered too expensive per lumen to use
effectively, and the higher red content contributed to general
irritability in some workers, while the heat generated drove up
cooling costs. So, fluorescents were the choice.
Gotta love the Bell System.
RHF
- On Sep 12, 7:14 am, dave <d...@dave.dave>
- wrote:- - arthrny...@webtv.net wrote:
- - - Over the years some people claimed that
- - - florescents cause vision impairment. Seriously.
- - Psychosomatic twaddle.
- - An incandescent lamp pulses 60 times a second,
- - a CFL flashes 10,000 times a second.
- - Imperceptible to the human eye.
- 'Special Dave',
-
- That was a 'claim' about old time Fluorescent
- Light Tubes; and had to do with the Flickering
- and Color; while working in Offices 40 HaW+
-
- Yes new CFLs do have far less 'Flicker' and the
- Color of the new CFLs is greatly improved.
-
- ~ RHF
- .
- .
Follow-up to 'Special Dave',
-wrt- Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulbs . . .
The Best Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulbs
a PM Lab Test -by- Popular Mechanics
http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/reviews/news/4215199
.
Tips for Buying Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulbs
http://www.thriftyfun.com/tf87568988.tip.html
.
Seven Problems* with Compact Fluorescent Light
(CFL) Bulbs Prevent Wider Acceptance and Use
http://saving-energy.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_downside_to_compact_fluorescent_bulbs
* The Downside to CFL Bulbs
.
Sunlight's Long Legacy of Healing
http://products.mercola.com/light-bulbs/
.
"Full Spectrum"* Compact Fluorescent Lamps (Bulbs)
* -aka- "Full Color Daylight" CFL Bulbs
http://www.amazon.com/Full-Spectrum-CFL-Light-Bulb/dp/B001DTOKBC
Note - I like the 30 Watts CFLs that give out
around the Lumens of a 120 Watt Incandescent
Bulb and use 30% of the Watts of a old 100 Watt
Incandescent Light Bulb
http://www.expresslightbulbs.com/compact-fluorescent-cfl-full-spectrum-light-bulbs-p-290.html
=result= 20% More Light {Noticeable} & 70% Less
Energy; and really sells the switch over to CFLs.
.
Verilux "Natural Spectrum" CFL Bulbs are good but pricy
http://www.verilux.com/full-spectrum-lightbulbs/compact-fluorescent-cfl
.
BlueMax Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulbs
http://www.fullspectrumsolutions.com/compact_fluorescent_32_ctg.htm
.
Indoor Sunshine "Full Spectrum" [Natural Day Light]
Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulbs
http://store.lightforhealth.com/divinity-cart/category/1/Spiral-Bulbs-CFLs-/1.html
-about- Indoor Sunshine CFLs "Light For Health"
http://www.lightforhealth.com/
-caution- GE 'Reveal' CFL Bulbs
-promise- Clean, Beautiful Light
http://www.gelighting.com/na/home_lighting/products/reveal_cfl.htm
-but- they are NOT Daylight
-and- they are NOT Full Spectrum
.
.
dave
> On Sep 12, 6:55 am, RHF<rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> .
More twaddle.
You must have shit for brains.
cuh...@webtv.net
down cheap enough.
Which reminds me, Cheap Charlies floating restaurant that was in
beautiful Saigon.You ever eat there before? I haven't, but I heard some
Troops reccomending Cheap Charlies a few times before.I wonder if Cheap
Charlies is still there? I reckon, probally not.
http://www.devilfinder.com
Cheap Charlies Floating Restaurant Saigon,Vietnam
Meet meeeee at the slop chute by the olddd Wang Puuuuuuu,,,, day old
potatos for a fiery stewwwwwww,,,,,
Doggy and I have to watch Lassie Come Home movie on the TCM channel
right now.
cuhulin
RHF
> RHF wrote:
> > On Sep 12, 6:55 am, RHF<rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > .
>
-
- You must have shit for brains.
'Special Dave' speaking of 'shit for brains'
so how was your Sunday Dinner . . . ;;-}} ~ RHF
.
The Best Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulbs
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/e17cdd2d4897732b
.
.
dave
> On Sep 12, 10:53 am, dave<d...@dave.dave> wrote:
>> RHF wrote:
>>> On Sep 12, 6:55 am, RHF<rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>> .
>>
> - More twaddle.
> -
> - You must have shit for brains.
>
> 'Special Dave' speaking of 'shit for brains'
> so how was your Sunday Dinner . . . ;;-}} ~ RHF
> .
> The Best Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulbs
> http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/e17cdd2d4897732b
> .
> .
It's 3 oclock. I've had watermelon and a grilled cheese sandwich so far
today. And an orange.
arthr...@webtv.net
I believe that is precisely what they claimed.Many moons ago.
RHF
> RHF wrote:
> > On Sep 12, 10:53 am, dave<d...@dave.dave> wrote:
> >> RHF wrote:
> >>> On Sep 12, 6:55 am, RHF<rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >>> .
>
> > - More twaddle.
> > -
> > - You must have shit for brains.
>
> > 'Special Dave' speaking of 'shit for brains'
> > so how was your Sunday Dinner . . . ;;-}} ~ RHF
> > .
> > The Best Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulbs
> >http://groups.google.com/group/rec.radio.shortwave/msg/e17cdd2d4897732b
> > .
> > .
- It's 3 oclock.
- I've had watermelon and a grilled cheese
- sandwich so far today. And an orange.
Good For You Dave Good For You
May the Blessings of Peace Be Upon Your Mind
and Love Fill Your Heart - amen ~ RHF
.
RHF
> On Sep 12, 9:55 am, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 12, 7:14 am, dave <d...@dave.dave> wrote:- - arthrny...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > - - Over the years some people claimed that
> > - - florescents cause vision impairment. Seriously.
>
> > - Psychosomatic twaddle.
> > - An incandescent lamp pulses 60 times a second,
> > - a CFL flashes 10,000 times a second.
> > - Imperceptible to the human eye.
>
> > 'Special Dave',
>
> > That was a 'claim' about old time Fluorescent
> > Light Tubes; and had to do with the Flickering
> > and Color; while working in Offices 40 HaW+
- - Yes new CFLs do have far less 'Flicker' and the
- - Color of the new CFLs is greatly improved.
- - ~ RHF
- I believe that is precisely what they claimed.
- Many moons ago.
Mini Twisted CFLs with that
Once-in-a-Blue-Moon 'Glow' . . .
http://www.oceanicsystems.com/assets/006/12810_400wh.jpg
.