Radios with AM Sync Detection

[Kevin Nathan]

Hi All,

I would like to acquire a radio with AM sync detection. I'm not too
concerned with the size of the thing since it will primarily be my bed side
receiver. Could those who have used them give me some feedback concerning
the relative quality of the Sony 7600GR vs. the Grundig Satellite 800 or any
other receivers out there which have their own built in antennas? Due to
lack of room and too many antennas in the air already, I need something
which does not need much beyond its whip antenna or 20 to 25 feet of wire
laid along the floor and hung out the window.

Thanks much in advance for the help.

--

Kevin :)
Amateur Radio: K7RX
Navy Marine Corps MARS: NNN0SHS

[charli...@peoplepc.com]

The Sony ICFSW-07 Has Sync and
is small enought for a shirt pocket.

The package includes an
AC adapter, and an AN-LP2 active window antenna.

Great for a traveller.

[John S.]

"Could those who have used them give me some feedback concerning the
relative quality of the Sony 7600GR vs. the Grundig Satellite 800 or
any other receivers out there which have their own built in antennas?

JS> IMHO the radio with the best sync detector is the Sony 2010. The
combination of selectable sideband detector, two filters and 100hz
tuning accuracy makes for a high performance portable. They can be
found used on Ebay.

I would compare the 7600 to the Yacht Boy 400 and Sangean ATS909 and
not to the Satellit 800. The first three are of comparable size and
audio quality. The great sound quality and other features of the 800
comes at a much higher price and in a much larger package.

I used a 2010 with sync detector for about 6 years, and to be honest I
came away with mixed feelings about the real value of selectable
sideband sync detection. In many hours of listening I found only a few
situations where that feature could make a difference in audio quality,
but in no situation did it extract a listenable signal where none could
be gotten in AM mode. I found detuning slightly and switching filters
could do as well or better most of the time. Another issue is that the
sync detector on every radio I've tried seems to introduce it's own
noise level...it is usually a slight hiss, but it is there.

Take a look at the detailed reviews of those four receivers on
http://www.radiointel.com/reviews.htm
as well as the numerous and somewhat varied reviews on
http://www.eham.net/reviews/products/8

Of the three comparably sized portables I would probably give the nod
to the 7600 because I've used it's predecessors and found them to be
built with a lot of attention to detail and to receive AM and SSB very
well. I'm not a fan of push button tuning, but I could live with it.
A close second would be the Sangean mostly because of it's tuning knob.

[Ron Hardin]

The 7600GR is good for the price. It introduces noise on _weak_
signals but most places you want sync detection aren't weak, but
rather selective fading (carrier fades below sidebands resulting in
audio distortion, try Radio Japan from Sackville without synch
detection and see what I mean) and adjacent channel splatter, which
you simply select the opposite sideband for. I've seen the 7600GR
as low as $99 on clearance and snapped up a couple extras.

The 2010 cheats a little by automatically turning off the synch
detection on weak signals, not that that isn't a good feature.

The other radio I know about synch detection on is the Drake R8B,
which is superb. I listen to AM all the time and it's always with
synch detection on, never with it off.

I didn't like the Satellit 800 when I had one for a few hours, owing
to its clunky size and large audio hum on the MW band from the power
supply that came with it; so didn't particularly pay attention to the
synch detection.
--
Ron Hardin
rhha...@mindspring.com

On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk.

[David]

On Wed, 11 May 2005 14:58:31 GMT, Ron Hardin <rhha...@mindspring.com>
wrote:

My brother has a Universal Satellit 800 and it is a fine radio,
particularly well suited to MW DX reception.

[sdan...@nyc.rr.com]

Maybe your brother would be willing to help you repair your antenna?

[David]

On 11 May 2005 09:36:34 -0700, sdan...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

>Maybe your brother would be willing to help you repair your antenna?
>

I doubt it. He does like to fuck people up however...

[dxAce]

David wrote:

Hmmmmm... interesting comment, perhaps you might elaborate a bit more, 'tard
boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

[John S.]

Hmmm...sounds like your brother has an unusual sexual provclivity.

[David]

On 11 May 2005 10:20:37 -0700, "John S." <hjs...@cs.com> wrote:

>Hmmm...sounds like your brother has an unusual sexual provclivity.
>

If that's another way of saying he likes to hurt people, I suppose he
does.

[John S.]

I could not tell what you were saying from your description.

[dxAce]

David wrote:

Is he a 'tard boy like you? Does it run in the family?

Does he tote as well?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

[sdan...@nyc.rr.com]

Well, maybe you could make a deal with him. He can fuck you up, but
when he's done he has to repair your antenna.

[dxAce]

sdan...@nyc.rr.com wrote:

> Well, maybe you could make a deal with him. He can fuck you up, but
> when he's done he has to repair your antenna.

That certainly sounds like an excellent plan of action!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

[jamulc]

In addition to the radios already mentioned, you might consider the
Drake SW8 (later models had synchronous selectable sideband, whereas
earlier models the sync mode was not sideband selectable) or the Sony
ICF-SW77. Both of these models have been discontinued, but if you can
find either a decently priced used, might be worth considering. The
7600GR would probably represent the best value for money, however. But
then you're looking at less in way of features. I use all three of
these radios, plus a '2010. I tend to use the SW77 more than the
others, simply because it's more portable than the SW8, and I tend to
use the radio out of doors quite a bit. Plus it's better on batteries
than the '2010 and I tend to prefer the tighter bandwidth filters of
the SW77, regardless of the somewhat downgraded audio as compared to
the '2010.

Afraid I don't know too much about the Satellit 800, however. When it
came out years back, I thought that it was to take the mantle of the
SW8, but I've read so many reviews on this product that seem to go one
extreme or the other, either lovin' it wholeheartedly or hatin' it
altogether, that, if you decide to go with the '800, you might consider
buying it on a basis whereby you can readily return it if it's not your
cup of tea. Also, the Eton E1 (what was earlier to be the Grundig
Satellit 900) is presumably to be released in June (this model is best
known for its annoying habit of repeatedly pushing its release date
farther and farther into the future).
http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/portable/0101.html Looks nice,
but I'd be hesitant to be one of the first buyers of this model, given
the experience of some of the early buyers of the Satellit 800
(presumably a lot of kinks in production of the '800; reportedly
quality control issues were remedied later; but a lot of
people...according to reports...got their hands on lemons).

[D. Martin]

The YB400 and Sat800 Grundigs are very fine radios. I have one of
each. For bedside radio useage, the 400 would do nicely. The sync
detector is a useful feature to have. The 800 works wonderfully, but
the price makes you have to really want it. The 400's lack of sync, and
the 800's price and size, would probably steer you towards the Sony
7600, of which I have no hands-on experience.

Darren

http://hometown.aol.com/darren1965co/myhomepage/profile.html

[Brian Hill]

"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
news:42823D11...@milestones.com...

I think Dave just showed his stupidity once again.

B.H.

[m II]

dxAce wrote:

>>I doubt it. He does like to fuck people up however...
>
>
> Hmmmmm... interesting comment, perhaps you might elaborate a bit more, 'tard
> boy.
>
> dxAce
> Michigan
> USA
>
>

Looking for a phone number, pervert? Dates must be difficult for your type.
Cuhulin, being a notch above you on the evolutionary scale, had no such problems.

mike

[RHF]

KN,
.
If you were talking about a Walk-Around-the-House Radio with
AM-SYNC then I would simply say get the Sony ICF-SW7600GR.
* Sony ICF-SW7600GR - Two In-Door Antennas for AM/MW
and FM Radio Bands
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/message/2936
.
For a "Bed-Side" Radio with AM-SYNC :
.
If you do not want to send the money on the Grundig Satellit
800 M then get the Sony ICF-SW7600GR and add a pair of
self-powered External Speakers to improve the Audio Quality
of the Radio's small speaker.
+ Add the Sony AN-LP1 Active Shortwave Loop Antenna for
Shortwave Listening.
+ Add a Lazy Susan with a Select-A-Tenna for AM/MW Broadcast
Band Listening.
* Sony ICF-SW7600GR Radio and the Sony AN-LP1 {SW} Antenna
and the Select-A-Tenna {AM/MW} Antenna
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/message/2588
* Shortwave Listener (SWL) Antenna 'options' for a
Sony ICF-SW7600GR Radio
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/message/2892
.
If you want a Radio with the Big Box "Full" Sound then get
the Grundig Satellit 800 M.
+ The Grundig Satellit 800 M has the added advantage of it's
Mega Size Whip Antenna and the built-in Pre-Amplifier for
the Whip Antenna and AM/MW Ferrite Rod Antenna.
* Some Thoughts on Antennas and the Grundig Satellit 800 M
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/message/880
Note - Add a Select-A-Tenna on top of the Grundig Satellit 800 M
above the Speaker (Left-Side) can really improve AM/MW DXing.
* Improving the Grundig Satellit 800 M's AM/MW Reception for DXing
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/message/865

.
READ - Sony ICF-SW7600GR 'portable' -=V=- Grundig Satellit
800-M "Desk Top"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Shortwave-SWL-Antenna/message/2502
.
.
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[Henry Kolesnik]

AOR 7030 and Lowe have options for synch but I haven't heard either with
synch. Perhaps someone here will comment.

--

73
Hank WD5JFR
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[mi...@sushi.com]

Sync is standard on the 7030, it works on weak signals, and it doesn't
growl like other radios. I'm not a big fan of sync, but there are times
when it comes in handy.