Thanks
<apogeus...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Move the Tivoli away from the wall. Otherwise, these sound very nice:
http://www.cambridgesoundworks.com/store/category.cgi?category=aud_radio&item=c173rdnb
The ''Super Radio'' is not that super.
For FM performance only (both sound quality and reception quality) you
won't go wrong with a GE Superadio (I, II, or III), especially
considering the price. I own examples of all series (including both
versions of Model I) and I am pleased with their FM performance.
That said, I am a bit surprised that you are not satisfied with the
Tivoli Model 1. While I do not own this radio, I have heard it in
several stores and it certainly sounds good to me. Before you buy
another radio to replace it, try moving it to different locations, even
other rooms, and see if the excessive bass output is tamed. Especially
place it in the middle of your room, even though you may have no
intention of putting it there permanently, and listen carefully. If,
placed well away from any boundaries, the sound is much improved to
your ears, you will then know that it is your placement of the radio
rather than the radio itself which is causing your dissatisfaction. At
that point you may be able to find a satisfactory compromise regarding
positioning of the radio.
If, however, the sound is still as unsatisfactory to you, no matter
where you place the radio, then it's time to buy another one.
The GE Superadio is a good one to try. (Please remember that this
plastic radio is not nearly as good looking as the Tivoli. That might
be a consideration for a "significant other.") I hope the above is of
some use to you.
Best,
Joe
>Hi all:
>Can you recomend a very good tabletop radio to buy ?
>I need a radio with very good sound (bass and treble),
>and I only need FM reception.
>What do you think about GE superradio ?
I personally like my recent-model GE SuperRadio. I mainly listen to FM
music on it. It has a 5" woofer & a smaller tweeter; monaural but a
nice setup, I think. For 50 dollars it's pretty hard to beat. The dial
is analogue, but for tuning in local stations of decent power, even on
the lower end of the FM band, it does fine. Also takes an external FM
antenna, if you want to connect one; I use the RShack twinlead dipole.
It's ain't a Tivoli; it's a clunky but pleasant beast :-)
Bob
k5qwg
Don't buy the Grundig S350-types, Superadio-types, RS WX radios - they
all have quality-control problems, and are way over-hyped.
Forgeot to mention, the over-hyped CCrane CCRadio.
Frank
> I have a Tivoli model one radio, but I'm disappointed (excessive bass
> output).
The Boston Acoustics Recepter HD Radio has a bass EQ adjustment while its
analog Recepter equivelent does not.
I have both and they each perform excellently.
Nonsense. The S350 is a great radio, and is outstanding for local AM and FM
reception. Very drifty on shortwave of course, but is fine for locals. I
have 2 - a Grundig and a Tecsun. While I wouldn't want one as my only
shortwave radio, it would do fine as my only AM/FM radio, particularly
considering the price and battery life.
Mike
The Chinese-made (no longer German made) S350 is cheap, low-grade
plastic, with a low-resolution display, suffers from drifting and
tuning backlash, has a smelly imitation-leather-handle, cheap
dials/switches, 1960's-grade electronics, plastic speaker grill, SW
images galore, antenna flops and doesn't snap into place, etc... Is
that enough ?
My $10 Sony ICF-S10MK2 AM/FM pocket-radio, gets the same stations, as
my now-returned S350 to crappy Radio Shack.
I have both the Eton S350Dl and the Redsun RP2100. They are both
excellent radios for the money. The FM quality is very good. The SW
quality is also good. For SW there are certainly better radios. For my
serious SW listening I use my Drake R8B and my Kenwood R5000.
No. It still has great local AM/FM reception, great sound and outstanding
battery life.
You obviously had a defective unit - assuming you ever really had one at
all.
Mike
Uh huh, yeah, sure. Whatever.
Mike
Do you have the dipole, for the Receptor HD, mounted on the roof, or in
the attic ? Oh boy, more HD channels of the same terrestrial radio
garbage, if they can even be received. HD Radio/IBOC - a fraud and a
farse !
I tried more than one - they are all made the same, under Chinese slave
wages. What a piece of cheap shit !
The Resuns and S350s are all the same cheap crap.
The RS 12-150 smells of the S350 (same cheap plastic box and switches)
and has quality-control problems too:
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6263
Extreme range my ass - all of the S350s, CCradios, SuperAdios are just
over-hyped, cheap plastic boxes. My $10 Sony gets the same stations as
my now-returned S350.
She is one of me Heroes.So are Charlie's Angels gals that are on Radio
tv right now.
cuhulin
In your opinion.
Mike
Also try stuffing cotton batten into the bass porthole (if there is
one). The Tivoli has been highly rated so I agree with Joe's
suggestions to try things that moderate the bassiness. Alternatively,
maybe trade for a Tivoli PAL or SongBook - they should not be as bassy
due to smaller drivers. I'm looking at those in-store tomorrow.
I've also listened to the Boston Acoustics Recepter in-store - very
impressive sound output and I understand the tuning knob can also be
switched to select presets.
Just tried briefly in-home the CENTRIOS WOODEN CABINET RADIO from The
Source
http://www.thesourcecc.com/estore/Product.aspx?language=en-CA&catalog=Online&category=Table+Radios&product=1219025
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Looks like the Sangean WR-1. Also somewhat woofy and tiresome over
extended listening but seemed to have excellent sensitivity and
selectivity. My wife did not like its appearance in the kitchen so we
have it no longer.
I wonder if Radio Shack has the same unit under its label: Hi-Fidelity
Table-Top AM/FM Radio 12-204
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2560351&cp=2032057.2032185&parentPage=family
Tom
Plug-Up the "Base Port" located in the bottom suface
of the Radio and then give it a re-listen.
- - - Read Page #8 "Placement" in the Owners Manual.
http://www.tivoliaudio.com/files/user_guides/model_one_radio_manual.pdf
-IF- The Radio's AM & FM {Tuning} Reception is A-OK
and only the Sound is an Issue - Try a set of Powered
{Computer} Speakers. Use the "Record Out" Jack
-Note- This is a Fixed Line Level Stereo Output.
Use the Tioli Model One as the Center Independent "Base"
Speaker -and- the Two Powered {Computer} Speakers as
the separate Left and Right Speakers.
- - - Read Page # 7 "Guide to Features" [Rear Panel]
http://www.tivoliaudio.com/files/user_guides/model_one_radio_manual.pdf
read-the-manual - yes it is that simple ~ RHF
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= = = On Dec 29, 5:11 am, apogeusiste...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all:
> Can you recomend a very good tabletop radio to buy ?
> I need a radio with very good sound (bass and treble),
> and I only need FM reception.
> What do you think about GE superradio ?
> I have a Tivoli model one radio, but I'm disappointed (excessive bass
> output).
> What do you think about Sony icf704L ?http://www.comet.co.uk/cometbrowse/product.do?sku=194409&tab=specific...
>
> Thanks
On Dec 29, 4:01 pm, nsarejectnsarej...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Mike wrote:
> > <nsarejectnsarej...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:1167414803.7...@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > apogeusiste...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> Hi all:
> > >> Can you recomend a very good tabletop radio to buy ?
> > >> I need a radio with very good sound (bass and treble),
> > >> and I only need FM reception.
> > >> What do you think about GE superradio ?
> > >> I have a Tivoli model one radio, but I'm disappointed (excessive bass
> > >> output).
> > >> What do you think about Sony icf704L ?
> > >>http://www.comet.co.uk/cometbrowse/product.do?sku=194409&tab=specific...
>
> > >> Thanks
>
> > > Don't buy the Grundig S350-types,
>
> > Nonsense. The S350 is a great radio, and is outstanding for local AM and FM
> > reception. Very drifty on shortwave of course, but is fine for locals. I
> > have 2 - a Grundig and a Tecsun. While I wouldn't want one as my only
> > shortwave radio, it would do fine as my only AM/FM radio, particularly
> > considering the price and battery life.
>
> > MikeThe Chinese-made (no longer German made) S350 is
- cheap,
- low-grade
- plastic,
> with a low-resolution display, suffers from drifting and
> tuning backlash, has a smelly imitation-leather-handle, cheap
> dials/switches, 1960's-grade electronics,
- plastic speaker grill,
> SW images galore, antenna flops
> and doesn't snap into place, etc... Is
> that enough ?- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
Plastic ! - Did You Say Plastic ? ~ RHF
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On Dec 29, 7:27 pm, "Mike" <n...@where.man> wrote:
> <nsarejectnsarej...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1167448527.7...@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > The Resuns and S350s are all the same cheap crap.In your opinion.
>
> Mike
Mike - His 'opinion' is the only thing left
that he can reasonably call his own.
Everything Else Has Turned To Plastic ! :o) ~ RHF
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I´m thinking to open my Tivoli and put a little tweeter to increase
treble.
What do you think ? It´s possible ? Need I put in paralel with
original speaker ?
$120 for "The best sounding table radio in the world" that doesn't even have
single tone control? LOL!
Mike
>
>-IF- The Radio's AM & FM {Tuning} Reception is A-OK
>and only the Sound is an Issue - Try a set of Powered
>{Computer} Speakers. Use the "Record Out" Jack
>-Note- This is a Fixed Line Level Stereo Output.
>
Why not use the headphone out?
You ever heard of Henry Kloss?
You ever heard of tone controls? Anything purporting to be "Hi Fi" needs a
minimum of a single tone control, but preferably separate Bass and Treble.
Not everyone's hearing is the same, and different programs require different
settings (speech, orchestra, rock).
Mike
>> You ever heard of Henry Kloss?
>
>
> You ever heard of tone controls? Anything purporting to be "Hi Fi"
> needs a minimum of a single tone control, but preferably separate Bass
> and Treble. Not everyone's hearing is the same, and different programs
> require different settings (speech, orchestra, rock).
>
> Mike
>
Kloss was known, among other things, for minimalism. Tone controls
are not part of that program. And given the size of the panel, a tone
control may would have disrupted the clean lines, while making the panel
more busy than it needed to be.
All of which is a matter of taste.
However, your assertion that 'anything purporting to be "Hi Fi" needs
a minimum of a single tone control," flies in the face of high end
design, where the most expensive, and highest performance hardware have
no tone controls or spectral contouring circuitry at all.
That said, there are simple ways to mitigate undesireable bass content.
One of the simplest ways to control the bass perception of Model One
is to place the radio on a sound absorbant pad (one that extends several
inches from the front sides and back of the set) on a table at least one
foot from a barrier--a wall, or other raised vertical surface.
Minor mitigation of the boom (the offensive part of the bass
response) without reducing bass perception can be achieved by setting
the radio flush with the edge of a table about a foot from a barrier.
You'd be surprised at how much tone control you actually have, by
varying the staging of the set.
Great. So to make up for the poor design, you can't place it wherever you
want to. It has to be on a special pad at precise distances from other
objects.
Yeah, that's what I want.
Mike
Hey, Physics is a bitch, what can I tell you.
Now, you don't have to do any of these. And thousands of users don't
find any objections to the Kloss design, and enjoy the radio as is
daily. I do so, myself.
But if, as some do, you would like to reshape the audio to your
specific tastes, you have options.
You may exercise them, or not, at your discretion.
But bitching doesn't really contour the bass, now does it.
I'd suspect you may be happier with a different set.
Thank God for the free marketplace that will accomodate your
preferences.
Good listening to you.
p
I thought you were busy listing to low bit rate audio from the BBC. Tone
controls won't help that.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Please tell us what radio do you use?
No, the included dipole is mounted on the wall right next to the radio.
You would need an antenna on any radio trying to pick-up any signal that is
1/100th the power level of the main carrier (IBOC) - you nitwit. You seem
to
constantly and conveniently omit this important fact about IBOC in your
propaganda.
> Oh boy, more HD channels of the same terrestrial radio
> garbage, if they can even be received.
Far better than the garbage on shortwave.
> HD Radio/IBOC - a fraud and a farse !
A fraud and a farce in your own mind.
"Washington Post disses HD Radio"
http://www.hear2.com/2006/06/washington_post.html
And, HD Radio is now dead in-dash:
http://www.hear2.com/2006/12/at_ford_windows.html#comments
HAHA !!!
> Far better than the garbage on shortwave.
Ah yes, this being rec.radio.shortwave what excuse do you have for
posting this garbage here?
I think you are just one of the handful of KOOKS that keep changing
their handle to get read after most people kill file them.
--
Telamon
Ventura, California
Says, the proud owners of the crappy Redsuns and S350s ! Just like I
did, you fell for a pretty face (you should have looked at her mother,
first).
I found a very good site about radios (www.eham.net), and there is a
very good review about Tivoli model one there:
"The issue I have is that many of the commercial stations (all playing
music I don't want to hear-but you might) around here pump up the audio
and boost the bass in the transmission process, this excessive bass
boost by the station added to the bass boost included in the radio to
offset the tiny speaker can make the radio sound boomy and tubby with
distorted lows, and there aren't any tone controls to fix this."
"Washington Post" - BWAHAHAHA
> And, HD Radio is now dead in-dash:
>
> http://www.hear2.com/2006/12/at_ford_windows.html#comments
>
> HAHA !!!
What will you be bidding on - the AM frequencies or FM frequencies? -
BWAHAHAHA
The broadcast bands will be around for many decades, but HD Radio will
fail - BWAHAHAHA !
We're raising a whole generation of kids to whom bass response is an
end in itself. I'm thinking of the cars with the monster, reverbbing
bass notes booming incessantly. The "natural" sound of the old
acoustic suspension folks appears to be a thing of the past.
bob
k5qwg
On Dec 30, 6:49 am, "Mike" <n...@where.man> wrote:
> "David" <rick...@knac.com> wrote in messagenews:cctcp2dd0b7u8qfac...@4ax.com...
>
> >>$120 for "The best sounding table radio in the world" that doesn't even
> >>have
> >>single tone control? LOL!
>
> >>Mike
>
> > You ever heard of Henry Kloss?You ever heard of tone controls? Anything purporting to be "Hi Fi" needs a
> minimum of a single tone control, but preferably separate Bass and Treble.
> Not everyone's hearing is the same, and different programs require different
> settings (speech, orchestra, rock).
>
> Mike
Mike - So the last time you went to a Live Musical Performance
like a Band-on-Stage, a Concert, or aSymphony did 'you' bring
Your Tone Control ? ~ RHF
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On Dec 30, 9:04 am, "Mike" <n...@where.man> wrote:
> "D Peter Maus" <DPeterM...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in messagenews:Miwlh.301340$Fi1.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> > One of the simplest ways to control the bass perception of Model One is
> > to place the radio on a sound absorbant pad (one that extends several
> > inches from the front sides and back of the set) on a table at least one
> > foot from a barrier--a wall, or other raised vertical surface.Great. So to make up for the poor design, you can't place it wherever you
> want to. It has to be on a special pad at precise distances from other
> objects.
>
> Yeah, that's what I want.
>
> Mike
Mike - Intelligent Radio Design often requires
and equally Intelligent Radio Listener. ~ RHF
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On Dec 30, 11:41 am, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
- I don't own a Tivoli radio.
- Why should I buy one of those?
- cuhulin
Cuhulin - So that you can Tivoli Along with the rest-of-us ~ RHF
OBTW - Cuhulin - Don't Worry with out a Tone Control
many of the Tivoli Model Ones are clearly heading to
the Thrift Stores near you soon.
- - - A Tivoli Model One for Two Bucks - Such-a-Deal !
My Tivoli Model One is Silver-and-Black - Go Raiders !
- - - Hey I was Born and Raised in Oakland, CA ~ RHF
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RHF wrote:
> On Dec 30, 11:41 am, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
> - I don't own a Tivoli radio.
> - Why should I buy one of those?
> - cuhulin
>
> Cuhulin - So that you can Tivoli Along with the rest-of-us ~ RHF
>
> OBTW - Cuhulin - Don't Worry with out a Tone Control
> many of the Tivoli Model Ones are clearly heading to
> the Thrift Stores near you soon.
> - - - A Tivoli Model One for Two Bucks - Such-a-Deal !
That's almost as good as a mint SR II for $4.
dxAce
Michigan
USA
On Dec 30, 6:19 am, David <rick...@knac.com> wrote:
> On 29 Dec 2006 23:25:56 -0800, "RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
- - -IF- The Radio's AM & FM {Tuning} Reception is A-OK
- - and only the Sound is an Issue - Try a set of Powered
- - {Computer} Speakers. Use the "Record Out" Jack
- - -Note- This is a Fixed Line Level Stereo Output.
- Why not use the headphone out?
David - Now that is using your Head {Phones that is} ~ RHF
The way I suggested uses the Radio as the Center Mini-Woofer
with it's separate Volume Control {Loudness} -and- the Pair of
Satellite Speakers as the Left-and-Right Stereo Channels.
Results in the Audio Output being Three Channels [2:1]
=IF= As you have suggested the Headphone Jack is used for
the Sound Output to the Powered {Computer} Speakers :
1 - The Tivoli Model One Radio's very good quality Speaker
with it's Ported Bass is out of the circuit and lost - a waste imho.
2 - The Pair of Satellite Speakers are then controled by the
Radio's Volume Control and their own Volume and Tone Controls
Two Sets of Controls -and- imho two confussing.
3 - Audio Output is Only Two Channels [2:0]
and that's the way i hear it ~ RHF
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On Dec 31, 12:34 pm, dxAce <d...@milestones.com> wrote:
> RHF wrote:
> > On Dec 30, 11:41 am, cuhu...@webtv.net wrote:
> > - I don't own a Tivoli radio.
> > - Why should I buy one of those?
> > - cuhulin
>
> > Cuhulin - So that you can Tivoli Along with the rest-of-us ~ RHF
>
> > OBTW - Cuhulin - Don't Worry with out a Tone Control
> > many of the Tivoli Model Ones are clearly heading to
> > the Thrift Stores near you soon.
- - - A Tivoli Model One for Two Bucks - Such-a-Deal !
- That's almost as good as a mint SR II for $4.
-
- dxAce
- Michigan
- USA
DX Ace - That It Is. - THAT IS I$ ! ~ RHF
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I sent that married Irish woman in Bognor Regis,England a
devilfinder.com thingy,Bonanza The Legacy
cuhulin
How helpful. In the US, there are practically no stations in C quam any
more, and practically no music on AM to listen to anyway.
Oh boy, now I can listen to news/talk in stereo, while I DX to my local
stations with my HD radio !
I hear several AM stations broadcast music most of the time. Two of them
are right in town. The "Boomer" on 1450 is one of them. Those are the
english stations and then there are several mexican stations that are
also music broadcasters.
Couldn't tell you anything about C quam.
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Telamon
Ventura, California
I'll return to the darkside now and let you boys go back to
playing with your oatmeal boxes and catwiskers.
Steve
Many of them were optimized for AM/FM, set up to drive REAL speakers
and many have impressive equalizers in them.
At the prices of $10-20 for cutting edge technology of the last decade,
it is the best bargain for AM/FM listening if you don't need
portability.
TMT
apogeus...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all:
> Can you recomend a very good tabletop radio to buy ?
> I need a radio with very good sound (bass and treble),
> and I only need FM reception.
> What do you think about GE superradio ?
> I have a Tivoli model one radio, but I'm disappointed (excessive bass
> output).
> Before I would buy any new radio I would haunt the thrift shops and
> look for an used stereo receiver with speakers.
>
> Many of them were optimized for AM/FM, set up to drive REAL speakers
> and many have impressive equalizers in them.
I picked up a like new (suspect it's been in storage for a long time) 1960's
Sansui 2000X at an estate sale recently for $10. I stuck it back in my
radio/computer room with four Minimus 7's hooked to it. Haven't hardly
turned on a SW since I got it. RM~
On Jan 1, 9:34 am, "Rob Mills" <robmi...@cox.net> wrote:
> "Too_Many_Tools" <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1167621860.1...@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Before I would buy any new radio I would haunt the thrift shops and
> > look for an used stereo receiver with speakers.
>
> > Many of them were optimized for AM/FM, set up to drive REAL speakers
> > and many have impressive equalizers in them.I picked up a like new (suspect it's been in storage for a long time) 1960's
> Sansui 2000X at an estate sale recently for $10. I stuck it back in my
> radio/computer room with four Minimus 7's hooked to it.
- Haven't hardly turned on a SW since I got it.
- RM~
RM - The Devil You Say ! ~ RHF
{Enjoy Listening To Your Radios}
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No, because the instruments have already been tuned and placed for that
hall. That's what tome controls do in your home - compensate for your
particular room and music *recordings*.
What a silly comparison!
Mike
If this Tivoli junk was "intelligently designed" you might have a point.
Mike
I only use the "tome" controls when playing the Grateful dead.
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Telamon
Ventura, California
On Jan 1, 2:27 pm, "Mike" <n...@where.man> wrote:
> "RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote in messagenews:1167596587.5...@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Mike - Intelligent Radio Design often requires
> > and equally Intelligent Radio Listener. ~ RHF
- If this Tivoli junk was "intelligently designed" you might have a
point.
-
- Mike
Mike - Two Words "Henry Kloss" ~ RHF
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On Jan 1, 2:27 pm, "Mike" <n...@where.man> wrote:
> "RHF" <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote in messagenews:1167596403.2...@k21g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Mike - So the last time you went to a Live Musical Performance
> > like a Band-on-Stage, a Concert, or aSymphony did 'you' bring
> > Your Tone Control ? ~ RHF
- No, because the instruments have already been tuned
- and placed for that hall. That's what tome controls do
- in your home - compensate for your particular room
- and music *recordings*.
-
- What a silly comparison!
-
- Mike
Mike - So to use your logic : A Deaf Person
could Hear Perfectly in a Concert Hall.
it boogles the mind ~ RHF
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There are about nineteen Music Radio Stations in my local area.AM and FM
Music Radio Stations.
cuhulin,Music Country
I'm very satisfied with my Tivoli Model One. It has a very pleasant
sound, and is reasonably sensitive on FM, which is what I use it for
(to listen to FM). I have a C Crane FM Reflect indoor FM antenna hooked
to it. But the Tivoli sucks on AM. I can probably hear more AM stations
with a brick.
Don't mistake the Tivoli for a serious FM DX machine, it's not. For
that I use an SAE T101 FM tuner.