Eton E1 Recall

[dxAce]

http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/portable/0101recallH.html

dxAce
Michigan
USA

[Michael Lawson]

"dxAce" <dx...@milestones.com> wrote in message
news:43C6B37E...@milestones.com...
> http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/portable/0101recallH.html

Now that's something the Sat 800 never had.

--Mike L.

[MnMikew]

"Michael Lawson" <mtl@[REMOVE-TO-REPLY]fuse.net> wrote in message
news:6c731$43c6b4e4$d8c4c9aa$22...@FUSE.NET...

A fixed radio and a free FR200 to boot. Not bad.

[RHF]

DX Ace,

The Eton Corporaton Sales Director Ryan Giordano, states
that affected units are found in the range of 3067 to 5462.

My Eton E1 Radio Serial Number (S/N) is 00350
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ETON-E1-XM-Radio/message/717
Guess I do not qualify for the Recall ;-) ~ RHF

Interesting to note that the Eton E1 AM/FM Shortwave Receiver
with XM Satellite Radio is up to 5000 plus Production Units in
about 5 Months of sales.

e1'ing you all ~ RHF

. . .
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. . . Out !

Go Here : To Find News and Information concerning the
Eton E1 ( E1 XM ) AM / FM and Shortwave World Band
Receiver with 'Optional' XM Satellite Radio.
ETON E1 RADIO GROUP => http://tinyurl.com/9lfd7
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ETON-E1-XM-Radio/>
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[RHF]

Please Note - This Sale is OVER {CLOSED/ENDED}

Wednesday Special at JC Penny OnLine - E1 for $349

= = = In ETON-E1-...@yahoogroups.com,
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ETON-E1-XM-Radio/message/2410
= = = "Lee H. Badman" <b*dm*n@l**...> wrote:
>
> Pretty sweet deal- says for today 1/11/06 only!
>

Eton E1 AM/FM Shortwave Receiver

with 'optional' XM Satellite Radio
JC PENNEY => http://tinyurl.com/72txd
* XM Satellit-ready Shortwave Radio
* Eton XM satellite-ready AM/FM shortwave radio
offers the latest technology at an incredible price.
* Synchronous Detector & Passband powered
* Digital PLL synthesized tuning
* Programmable memory
* Large, easy-to-read LCD

[James Douglas]

dxAce wrote:
> http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/portable/0101recallH.html
>
> dxAce
> Michigan
> USA
>
Well that sucks for them. The quality was something they wanted to
have very high for the product, 2395 units effected? Did they have
a new guy one the line for a week, doing about 60 radios a day? I
wonder the total number of E1's sold to date?

Heh, if anyone is effected and sends in their radio put some type
of mark on it where only you would know where it is, see you if get
the same radio back. Does anyone know if Eton has technical dept
here in the states or does it go back to India?

I am going to wait another 6 months till I get one, better quality
and the price should be down some.

[sdan...@nyc.rr.com]

For those who are royally pissed off about this, you might want to
consider the following:

http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/commrxvr/0321.html

http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/commrxvr/0330.html

http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/commrxvr/0175.html

[David]

Eek. The E1XM is a happier radio than any of those.

[sdan...@nyc.rr.com]

Yes, and "happiness" certainly comes at a price, doesn't it? A monthly
subscription, no less.

[nonl...@rogers.com]

Kepner-Tregoe Problem Analysis says something changed in the production
line in India.

Either with the parts or with the personnel or with the procedure. It
is usually a person.
We had a problem here at work with a valve traceable to a supplier who
had an untrained summer student for about a month who did not get
trained on a small critical detail.

This is typical KT Problem Analysis, look for what changed on the the
Time Line for this radio production

Paul

[sdan...@nyc.rr.com]

Ordinarily I wouldn't blink an eye over something like this. Recalls
happen. They're a fact of life for all manufacturers. However, Eton's
case is different. How many false production deadlines did they
announce to their customers and the general public? Was anyone even
able to keep track? If you're going to jerk your customers around in
such a brazen way for close to a freaking decade, then quality control
had better be A-OK when the product finally reaches the customer. So
far as I can tell, Eton doesn't have one whit of respect for its
customers, which is also probably why it resorts to silly tricks like
E1 to sell more radios to the untutored buyer.

[John S.]

nonl...@rogers.com wrote:
> Kepner-Tregoe Problem Analysis says something changed in the production
> line in India.

Common sense will tell you the same thing at considerably lower cost.
Either a bad batch of components (high on the list) or a change in
manufacturing process ( much lower but possible).

>
> Either with the parts or with the personnel or with the procedure. It
> is usually a person.
> We had a problem here at work with a valve traceable to a supplier who
> had an untrained summer student for about a month who did not get
> trained on a small critical detail.
>
> This is typical KT Problem Analysis, look for what changed on the the
> Time Line for this radio production

That is old wine in new bottles. It was seen previously as TQM, QA and
all the other acronyms consultants made millions from.

>
> Paul

[wavetrapper]

Well, I think we should give Eton a little credit here. (1) They
fessed up to a problem [they did not do so with the Sat800] and (2)
they are offering make the owners whole plus provide a "premium" for
the inconvenience.

They learned from last time, so that's good.

CCRadio owners with the failing display problem would have liked
similar treatment.

They do have a lot to learn, however, about creating false expectations
with those availability dates. They'd be much better to overshoot the
date by a lot and then be hero's when the radio becomes available
"ahead of time." All those missed dates did become comical.

I hope they succeed as a company. Not many sw mfgrs remaining.

[cuh...@webtv.net]

Seeeee,I told y'all aboot them Stupid E1's a longgg time ago.(why dont
y'all listen to auld Hansom Larry? Ladies,, Hanso...@webtv.net I
need to get some of my emails out of there first if y'all ladies want to
flirt with me) Flatly speaking,I still sayyyy,,, too much money for the
amount of bread.And,I will never buy an E1 unless one shows up at the
Goodwill thrift store for two dollars.Sheesh,they dont even put an AM
Antenna in them Stupid E1's! y'all can have them! It's like buying a
Motorscooter with a blown engyne.LQQK,them E1's are NOT worth the money!
cuhulin

[cuh...@webtv.net]

Sangean radios? Dont forget,I did once buy two of those Sangean ccrane
radios.The first one was the AM/FM/Weather Band/a couple of tv channels
(I am watching 007 shaken not stirred Live and Let Die James Bond movie
on my Radio tv right now,well,sort of anyway) that Stupid Art Bell and
Stupid George Noory sometimes tout on C to C (Art Bell and George Noory
really ARE STUPID!,THE LQQK STUPID TOO!) and I sent that Sangean piece
of Crap BACK to Fortuna,California and then I bought and tried out a
Stupid plastic Sangean ATS (or whatever they call it) 909 so-called
Stupid plastic piece of Crap radio from Stupid ccrane.I sent that Stupid
piece of plastic JUNK! BACK to Fortuna,California too.Please,do not
deign to sell me a Stupid radio!
cuhulin

[cuh...@webtv.net]

SCREW!!! ccrane!!!!
cuhulin

[David]

Is that anything like Six Sigma?

I vote for the wrong Zener Diode.

[cuh...@webtv.net]

Do NOT buy any Sangean radios.You WILL get Gyped BIG TIME!
cuhulin

[David]

Are you an America hater? At least it ain't a dog-eating Jap company.

[cuh...@webtv.net]

My last name is Ryan.When I used to drive a bread truck for Koestler's
Sunbeam Bakery a million years ago,there used to be a Giordinos food
store in Pearl,Mississippi that I used to put sandwich bread and rolls
and cakes and snacks in that store.One time,I saw a young woman leaving
that store and her big dog was licking at her in a strange way,,, I
didn't know what to think about that,I put it out of my mind.
www.ryans.org
cuhulin

[Jim Hackett]

The ONLY reason the radio is being recalled is because it's MUCH cheaper to
fix the radio than to have to pay MILLIONS to people for burning their house
to the ground...

"wavetrapper" <k3...@arrl.net> wrote in message
news:1137171267....@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

[junius]

If you're going to jerk your customers around in
> such a brazen way for close to a freaking decade

Yeah, I guess we first saw the Satellit 900 ads in, what?, the '96
Passport to World Band Radio? Then, nothing! I think that a lot of us
had simply stopped thinkin' about the '900 until The Shortwave Store in
Canada in 2000 or 2001 posted something about the forthcoming release
of the '900.

The real buffoonery began in late 2002 when we started seeing pictures
of the E1 in the couple of months preceding CES 2003. It was from
there that things really degenerated with multiple, multiple missed
release targets.

Of course, the '900 as designed by Grundig never saw the light of day:

http://www.satellit700.com/900/900all.html
http://www.satellit700.com/900/900lcd.html
http://www.satellit700.com/900/900label.html

The E1 is an entirely different radio altogether.

[junius]

Some nice radios, but I'd say the E1 occupies a niche quite distinct
from any of these. If I didn't have an SW8, however, I would likely
make the plunge for one of those Palstar units.

junius

[D Peter Maus]

wavetrapper wrote:
> Well, I think we should give Eton a little credit here. (1) They
> fessed up to a problem [they did not do so with the Sat800] and (2)
> they are offering make the owners whole plus provide a "premium" for
> the inconvenience.
>

The case of Sat800 was different than the E1 recall, in that Sat 800
issues were matters of inconsistent quality, with a number of technical
bugs that were worked out on the refurb table.

The matter of E1 is a safety issue. And one that occurs with
increasing frequency across many electronic lines as battery technology
and chemistry changes. I just got a new battery in the mail, unbidden,
btw, from Delphi for my MyFi. Seems that the original battery, too, has
a bit of an overheating problem, related to a series of batteries
manufactured in China.

A similar recall was issued by Nikon for my DSLR battery, which was
also a short run Chinese issue. Overheating and potential damage or
injury, again, the case. In both cases, replacement of the battery, made
in India was the solution.

A recall for Sat 800 would have made no sense. Whereas in the case of
E1, a recall forestalls a number of potentially larger problems.

[cuh...@webtv.net]

Metinks she was doin six or more with that big male dog.But,y'all know
how crazy them wimmins are,nowdays.Which reminds me,maybe I need to go
to me FlowerinThWater webtv thangy and cuss out that divorced woman (she
likes it) in Petal,Mississippi again?
cuhulin

[cuh...@webtv.net]

zener diodes can get your scooters running again.
cuhulin

[rkhalona]

The E1 seems to be an SW8 in a *Grundig* Sat900 case plus XM added.

RK

[sdan...@nyc.rr.com]

Then it should stop using gimmicks like XM.

[RHF]

John S - Thanks for the Millions ! ~ RHF
{ Still Running Around In Quality Circles :o}

[cuh...@webtv.net]

Etons,,, bunch of Worthless pieces of Crap! My old Goodwill thrift store
beat up auld Radios are Much Better than Eton can ever put out!
Made in India pieces of S..T!!!!!
cuhulin

[cuh...@webtv.net]

Your Eton,,, their Etons,,, y'all go play with your ownnnnn Etons!
cuhulin

[cuh...@webtv.net]

Dont Forget,, I am Larry,and I KNOW what I am talkin aboot.
cuhulin

[RHF]

DaviD - "dog-eating Jap company."

DaviD - Once Again 'you' treat us to more Enlightened Liberalism !
{Liberal Bias and Left-Wing Bigotry}

DaviD - 'you' make such a Great 'little' Spokes Person
for the Democrat Party of the USA ! ~ RHF

[cuh...@webtv.net]

E1's are pieces of S..t!
cuhulin

[cuh...@webtv.net]

I wouldn't have a satelite anything unless you sold it to me for two
dollars.
cuhulin

[cuh...@webtv.net]

The ONLY reason E1's are being recalled is because they are no good
pieces of S..t!
cuhulin

[cuh...@webtv.net]

Just dont jerk me.The Living Daylights flick 007 shaken not stirred
movie is just now crankin up on my Radio tv right now.
cuhulin

[David]

On 13 Jan 2006 11:25:18 -0800, "RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net>
wrote:

Neither a Democratic nor a Liberal, Flanders.

I am a pragmatic anarchist.

[David]

On 13 Jan 2006 11:25:18 -0800, "RHF" <rhf-new...@pacbell.net>
wrote:

>DaviD - "dog-eating Jap company."

Or is it anarchic pragmatist?

[dxAce]

David wrote:

No you're not. You're a mentally ill 'tard boy.

LMFAO at the stem.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

[cuh...@webtv.net]

Dont Forget,,, I am always Right.
cuhulin

[cuh...@webtv.net]

Danceeeee into the Fireeeee,,,,,,,
cuhulin

[cuh...@webtv.net]

Bratslaca,Checko,,,,,,,,
007
cuhulin

[junius]

There are similarities, although not to the degree as between the SW8
and the Satellit 800. In Van Horn's E1 review in Monitoring Times, it
is written that "Drake did have a major hand in the electronics of this
unit."

www.monitoringtimes.com/html/mtfirstlook-etone1xm.pdf

Someone in the Yahoo! E1 group had grouped together some comparative
data from the current and previous editions of Passport to World Band
Radio. Perhaps you might find it interesting:

Dynamic Range/IP3 (5 kHz):

1. AOR AR7030 82 dB / +1 dBm
2. Drake R8B 75 dB / -20 dBm
3. Watkins-Johnson WJ-8711A 74 dB / -18 dBm
4. Sony ICF-2010 68 dB / -21 dBm
5. Drake SW8 67 dB / -26 dBm
6. Sony ICF-SW77 64 dB / -37 dBm
7. Eton E1XM 55 dB / -50 dBm
8. Ten-Tec RX-340 46 dB / -55 dBm

Dynamic Range/IP3 (20 kHz):

1. AOR AR7030 100 dB / +28 dBm
2. Watkins-Johnson WJ-8711A 99 dB / +20 dBm
3. Ten-Tec RX-340 93 dB / +9 dBm
4. Drake SW8 92 dB / +11 dBm
5. Drake R8B 89 dB / +2 dBm
6. Eton E1XM 87 dB / -2 dBm
7. Sony ICF-SW77 82 dB / -10 dBm
8. Sony ICF-2010 80 dB / -9 dBm

Image Rejection:

1. Ten-Tec RX-340 >100 dB
1. AOR AR7030 >100 dB
2. Eton E1XM >90 dB
3. Drake R8B 85 dB
4. Watkins-Johnson WJ-8711A 80 dB
4. Sony ICF-SW77 80 dB
5. Drake SW8 64 dB
6. Grundig Satellit 800 63 dB
7. Sony ICF-2010 62 dB

First IF Rejection:

1. Ten-Tec RX-340 >100 dB
2. AOR AR7030 95 dB
3. Drake R8B >90 dB
4. Grundig Satellit 800 86 dB
5. Sony ICF-2010 85 dB
6. Sony ICF-SW77 80 dB
6. Drake SW8 80 dB
7. Eton E1XM 75 dB

Blocking:

1. Drake R8B 135 dB
2. Grundig Satellit 800 132 dB
3. AOR AR7030 >130 dB
4. Drake SW8 125 dB
5. Watkins-Johnson WJ-8711A 123 dB
5. Eton E1XM 123 dB
6. Sony ICF-SW77 121 dB
7. Ten-Tec RX-340 109 dB
8. Sony ICF-2010 109 dB

AGC Threshold:

1. Drake R8B 0.9 uV, Superb
1. Drake SW8 0.9 uV, Superb
2. Grundig Satellit 800 0.8 uV, Superb
3. Sony ICF-2010 0.6 uV, Excellent
4. Ten-Tec RX-340 0.5 uV / 0.13 uV (preamp off/on,
Excellent/Poor)
5. Eton E1XM 0.3 uV, Good
6. Sony ICF-SW77 2.0 uV, Good
7. AOR AR7030 2.25 uV, Good
8. Watkins-Johnson WJ-8711A 0.11 uV, Poor

Phase Noise:

1. AOR AR7030 130 dBc
2. Sony ICF-SW77 122 dBc
3. Watkins-Johnson WJ-8711A 115 dBc
4. Drake R8B 114 dBc
4. Sony ICF-2010 114 dBc
5. Ten-Tec RX-340 113 dBc
5. Eton E1XM 113 dBc
5. Drake SW8 113 dBc
6. Grundig Satellit 800 111 dBc

Overall Distortion, sync:

1. Drake R8B 0.4 %
2. Drake SW8 1.2 %
3. AOR AR7030 2.0 %
4. Sony ICF-SW77 2.3 %, 3.3 % (Wide/Narrow)
5. Grundig Satellit 800 2.4 %
6. Ten-Tec RX-340 2.6 %
6. Eton E1XM 2.6 %
7. Sony ICF-2010 2.9 %, 3.5 % (Wide/Narrow)
8. Watkins-Johnson WJ-8711A 8.2 %

Max. Sensitivity:

1. Watkins-Johnson WJ-8711A 0.13 uV
2. Ten-Tec RX-340 0.14 uV
3. Sony ICF-2010 0.15 uV
3. Eton E1XM 0.15 uV
4. Sony ICF-SW77 0.16 uV
5. Drake R8B 0.2 uV
6. AOR AR7030 0.2 uV
7. Grundig Satellit 800 0.23 uV
8. Drake SW8 0.32 uV

Ultimate Rejection:

1. AOR AR7030 90 dB
2. Watkins-Johnson WJ-8711A >80 dB
3. Drake R8B 80 dB
3. Eton E1XM 80 dB
4. Ten-Tec RX-340 70 dB
4. Grundig Satellit 800 70 dB
4. Drake SW8 70 dB
4. Sony ICF-SW77 70 dB
4. Sony ICF-2010 70 dB

[wavetrapper]

No doubt the safety issue is more severe than performance problems, so
I fully understand that.

Maybe "recall" isn't the right terminology to describe post-sale
corrections of known & widespread performance related problems due to
faulty design, etc. In those cases, I think the mfgr has some
obligation to make things right.

[cuh...@webtv.net]

Ahhhhh,to Hell with anything made in India!!!!
cuhulin

[cuh...@webtv.net]

I Hate yahoo.I Never do yahoo.RHF,those yahoo links you send out,,,
Include me OUT.I need to eyeball that purty woman in this 007 movie on
Radio tv again,now.
cuhulin

[David]

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 13:43:48 -0600, cuh...@webtv.net wrote:

>Dont Forget,,, I am always Right.
>cuhulin
>

I'm half left.

[dxAce]

David wrote:

You're a half wit, 'tard boy.

LMFAO yet again at the stupid stem.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

[rkhalona]

junius wrote:
> There are similarities, although not to the degree as between the SW8
> and the Satellit 800. In Van Horn's E1 review in Monitoring Times, it
> is written that "Drake did have a major hand in the electronics of this
> unit."
>
> www.monitoringtimes.com/html/mtfirstlook-etone1xm.pdf
>
> Someone in the Yahoo! E1 group had grouped together some comparative
> data from the current and previous editions of Passport to World Band
> Radio. Perhaps you might find it interesting:
>
> Dynamic Range/IP3 (5 kHz):
>

> 5. Drake SW8 67 dB / -26 dBm

> 7. Eton E1XM 55 dB / -50 dBm
>

> Dynamic Range/IP3 (20 kHz):

>
> 4. Drake SW8 92 dB / +11 dBm

> 6. Eton E1XM 87 dB / -2 dBm

> Image Rejection:

>
> 2. Eton E1XM >90 dB

> 5. Drake SW8 64 dB
> 6. Grundig Satellit 800 63 dB
>

> First IF Rejection:

>
> 4. Grundig Satellit 800 86 dB

> 6. Drake SW8 80 dB
> 7. Eton E1XM 75 dB
>
> Blocking:
>

> 2. Grundig Satellit 800 132 dB

> 4. Drake SW8 125 dB

> 5. Eton E1XM 123 dB
>
> AGC Threshold:
>

> 1. Drake SW8 0.9 uV, Superb
> 2. Grundig Satellit 800 0.8 uV, Superb

> 5. Eton E1XM 0.3 uV, Good
>

> Phase Noise:

>
> 5. Eton E1XM 113 dBc
> 5. Drake SW8 113 dBc
> 6. Grundig Satellit 800 111 dBc
>
> Overall Distortion, sync:
>

> 2. Drake SW8 1.2 %

> 5. Grundig Satellit 800 2.4 %

> 6. Eton E1XM 2.6 %
>
> Max. Sensitivity:

>
> 3. Eton E1XM 0.15 uV

> 7. Grundig Satellit 800 0.23 uV
> 8. Drake SW8 0.32 uV
>
> Ultimate Rejection:
>

> 3. Eton E1XM 80 dB

> 4. Grundig Satellit 800 70 dB
> 4. Drake SW8 70 dB

Thanks for the data; it's interesting. As you can see from above,
comparing the E1 to the SW8 (the parent design, I think), the SW8 is
better in every category, except for Image/Ultimate Rejection and
Sensitivity (the phase noise spec is identical for both radios).
Perhaps the E1 benefits from advances in low cost filters that have
taken place in the intervening years.

IIRC, the SW8 cost ~$700 when it came out. The E1 at $500 is not a bad
radio at all, but since I already have a bunch of better radios (R8B,
SW8, Lowe 225E) I doubt I'll be getting one until after QC problems are
resolved and the price drops a bit more.

RK

[junius]

>The E1 at $500 is not a bad
> radio at all, but since I already have a bunch of better radios (R8B,
> SW8, Lowe 225E) I doubt I'll be getting one until after QC problems are
> resolved and the price drops a bit more.
>
> RK

Admittedly, it can be found available for less than $500:

Buying online from J.C. Penney, it can be purchased for $419.99 (I
believe the shipping is in the realm of $30 though).

I purchased mine through Sharper Image when a 20% promo was going on.

That said, under present circumstances, I can certainly understand
putting off an E1 purchase for now.

Junius

[John S.]

RHF wrote:
> John S - Thanks for the Millions ! ~ RHF
> { Still Running Around In Quality Circles :o}

You are not with Florida Power & light by any chance????

[John S.]

wavetrapper wrote:
> Well, I think we should give Eton a little credit here. (1) They
> fessed up to a problem [they did not do so with the Sat800] and (2)
> they are offering make the owners whole plus provide a "premium" for
> the inconvenience.
>

> They learned from last time, so that's good.

I agree - once they became aware of the problem action was taken. I
just wish J.C. Penney had E1's for $350.00.

>
> CCRadio owners with the failing display problem would have liked
> similar treatment.
>
> They do have a lot to learn, however, about creating false expectations
> with those availability dates. They'd be much better to overshoot the
> date by a lot and then be hero's when the radio becomes available
> "ahead of time." All those missed dates did become comical.
>
> I hope they succeed as a company. Not many sw mfgrs remaining.
>
>
>
> sdan...@nyc.rr.com wrote:
> > Ordinarily I wouldn't blink an eye over something like this. Recalls
> > happen. They're a fact of life for all manufacturers. However, Eton's
> > case is different. How many false production deadlines did they
> > announce to their customers and the general public? Was anyone even
> > able to keep track? If you're going to jerk your customers around in
> > such a brazen way for close to a freaking decade, then quality control
> > had better be A-OK when the product finally reaches the customer. So
> > far as I can tell, Eton doesn't have one whit of respect for its
> > customers, which is also probably why it resorts to silly tricks like
> > E1 to sell more radios to the untutored buyer.

[DeWayne]

<sdan...@nyc.rr.com> wrote in message

>So far as I can tell, Eton doesn't have one whit of respect for its
> customers, which is also probably why it resorts to silly tricks like
> E1 to sell more radios to the untutored buyer.
>

Seems to me that Eton is bending over backwards to make their problems right
for their customers.

[David]

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:50:12 -0500, dxAce <dx...@milestones.com>
wrote:

Some people call me a wit, and they're half right.

[RHF]

DaviD - A Man's Got To Know His Limits :o) ~ RHF