Grundig Satellite 6000
Joe
excessive current.
They have strange numbers and colors on them.
My Grandfather was hard of hearing had played it to loud and burned up the
audio outputs.
Does anyone know about and schematics or cross references for this ?
Joe
Bill Meacham
Joe, I can't speak for this particular radio, but with a Zenith TO3000
for example, you really have to watch the voltage that you're feeding it
with. Many folks logically use a 12 volt wall-wart since its a 12 volt
radio. But, it doesn't load down the wart enough and you wind up with
15 or 16 volts hitting it. There's no additional internal voltage
regulation.
In the case of that radio, the output transistors will run very
hot...and eventually self-destruct. The obvious cure is to use a smaller
wall wart, 9v for example, or a regulated one....or batteries.
--
Bill Meacham
Vieques, PR
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Peter Maus
Bill Meacham wrote:
>
> Joe wrote:
> >
> > I have a Grundig Satellite 6000, the audio output transistors are drawing
> > excessive current.
> > They have strange numbers and colors on them.
> > My Grandfather was hard of hearing had played it to loud and burned up the
> > audio outputs.
> > Does anyone know about and schematics or cross references for this ?
> >
> > Joe
>
> Joe, I can't speak for this particular radio, but with a Zenith TO3000
> for example, you really have to watch the voltage that you're feeding it
> with. Many folks logically use a 12 volt wall-wart since its a 12 volt
> radio. But, it doesn't load down the wart enough and you wind up with
> 15 or 16 volts hitting it. There's no additional internal voltage
> regulation.
> In the case of that radio, the output transistors will run very
> hot...and eventually self-destruct. The obvious cure is to use a smaller
> wall wart, 9v for example, or a regulated one....or batteries.
Cheap insurance is a pair of heatsinks..the kind that press on to
the finals.
For the Grundig, get all the numbers off of each transistor, and
see if you can find a real electronics supply store. One that's been
around for awhile, staffed by a bunch of over 50 guys who remember
using jars of 20 Mule Team Borax solution as rectfiers for their
radio sets when they were kids.
Show them those numbers and they may be able to come across a
decent substitute. Most likely a Phillips/ECG.
Failing that, you might want to try to find a Grundig/Telefunken
service shop. There are a few around and they import their own stock
of European parts. These shops are tough to find, but they do
exist. You just have to look for them.
You might also be able to write to Grundig and ask them. Not
Lextronix, the North American Distributor for Grundig, and the
company that goes by the Grundig name in North America, but Grundig
of Germany.
There's contact information here, much of it in German, but there
are a few English pages.
Try also some of the fine Satellit Collectors pages. These guys
have a wealth of information about thse rigs. One such:
http://home.telia.no./~Satellit
There are others.
Good luck.
Joe
Thats the problem, opened it up and it's even worse as I got deeper
!.........no numbers at all.
All the power transistors have color codes (like resistors)...Yes color
bands !
The audio module is packed like sardines and assembled into a puzzle of
folded PCBs
screws, bent together aluminum fingers.
(Built like a old Blaupunkt Mercedes radio)
Looks like the best thing is to build a small amp with a common inline IC
and passive tone control
The Satellite 6000 is a real German made radio from 1966 (not a Sangeon
Korean or Chinese)
See it sister the 6001
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1243957204
Joe
Bill Meacham wrote in message <3B239265...@coqui.net>...
Knut Otterbeck
Hi Peter (& All),
Thanks for trying to point to my Grundig Satellit Homepage ,but
unfortunately the link you supplied is no longer in operation. The
right link-address is now:
http://home.enitel.no/grundig_satellit
I think what the user should do first ,is to check the operation by
the use of six D-size batteries (remember to select "Batt" in the
battery/line switch in the connection socket in the back of radio)
To operate the Satellit 208/Transistor 6000 from a mains (line
supply) ,the onboard "power pack" TN 12 was required. The
power pack has an output lead ,clipped to the unit by press
studs. The TN 12 was a highly sophisticated unit ,I have one for
five of my own sets and they are all still operating flawlessly.
If you don't have a TN 12 unit ,use a good ,regulated unit with
an output of 9V. Cheap unregulated power adapter will result in
a humming noise from the radio. Please also observe that there
are two selectable output settings on the TN 12 (7.5V/9V).
The Satellit 208/Transistor 6000 was the first commercially
available double conversion portable ,and its wooden chassis
together with the large twin coaxial speakers produces great
sound. Back in 1967 this set was quite a sensation !
PS: I trust all Grundig Satellit friends will find a nice tip or two
at the site ...
--
Greetings,
Knut Otterbeck
Oslo - Norway
http://home.enitel.no/grundig_satellit
Grundig Satellit info & Radio links
(Alternate e-mail: otte...@c2i.net)
"Peter Maus" <Pete...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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Joe
It turns out its a Satellite 205 Transistor 5000 (short-wave version) with
the 2nd turret-tuner
After trying everything I have confirmed the audio amp board was shot (it
was just about a dead short on the batteries it also got red hot.)
I went to the PC Micro center and found a cracked Altec amplified PC speaker
for $5 and removed the PC board.
Mounted tied in post from the tone controls (negitive ground and B-) and
BINGO is sounds beautiful and only drawing 75 MA at low volume.(both
speakers are OK, nor dry rotted)
At this point I did a disassembly cleaned everything (3hrs)and lubed what
was necessary internally.
Externally I couldn't believe what this radio looks like after cleanup, (it
had been hidden in a boiler room for 17 years)the padded vinyl is still soft
!
Looks brand new except some slight dents in speaker grill, going to give a
good listen tonight out on the dock.
Going to research the old audio module in my spare time, wile I enjoy my new
toy.
>>>Cheap unregulated power adapter will result in
>>>a humming noise from the radio
YOUR NOT KIDDING Knut ! (going to use Alkaline batteries)
Regard's
Joe
Joe
Knut Otterbeck wrote in message <8IQU6.6070$qR5.5...@news01.chello.no>...
Brian Denley
Thanks Peter - made my whole day!
--
Brian Denley
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/bdenley/index.html
"Peter Maus" <Pete...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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NANCY GIANAKOPOULOS
start with BF for their part number. You might try this; BF, and then
crossing the colors to numbers, following the resistor color code. I've
had three of these radios (TR6005) over the years, and I USED to have
service information, but no more. My wife liked my last one so much, that
I gave it to her several years ago. Anyway, there used to be a place in
New York City that serviced German radios, and if they are still around,
they might have the information on fiche. Also, there was a place called
S&S, on the North side of Chicago that had the fiche for this unit. I
need to find them myself, because I need to adjust the FM discriminator on
my wife's unit. I will post any information that I find.
Good luck!
Pete
Joe <joe...@NOSPAMverizon.com> wrote in message
news:PsNU6.11701$rg.43...@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net...
Peter Maus
NANCY GIANAKOPOULOS wrote:
>
> I am pretty sure that this unit uses Siemens devices; these units would
> start with BF for their part number. You might try this; BF, and then
> crossing the colors to numbers, following the resistor color code. I've
> had three of these radios (TR6005) over the years, and I USED to have
> service information, but no more. My wife liked my last one so much, that
> I gave it to her several years ago. Anyway, there used to be a place in
> New York City that serviced German radios, and if they are still around,
> they might have the information on fiche. Also, there was a place called
> S&S, on the North side of Chicago that had the fiche for this unit.
S&S has either moved, or gone away, Pete. I went looking for them
about 2 years ago, and they were nowhere to be found at their
address on Irving Park.
If you find them, definitely let me know...I need some parts for a
Telefunken receiver.
NANCY GIANAKOPOULOS
Pete Gianakopoulos
Peter Maus <Pete...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:3B244A02...@worldnet.att.net...
Mike Knudsen
<joe...@NOSPAMverizon.com> writes:
>t turns out its a Satellite 205 Transistor 5000 (short-wave version) with
>the 2nd turret-tuner.
Wow -- I still have mine. Got it in 1967 while in grad school, and it was my
favorite radio, and my only FM set. Great to run into another owner.
>After trying everything I have confirmed the audio amp board was shot (it
>was just about a dead short on the batteries it also got red hot.)
The audio amp module, I always called it "the brick" from its shape and weight.
I agree with your earlier statements about how hard this would be to get
inside and fix.
Using a PC speaker amp was a great idea. Some purists may say you've spoiled
the Grundig sound, but frankly I always thought the bass was sort of flatulent
and distorted. There's a little trim pot on the brick you can adjust the
output transistors' bias with, and I tried various settings, but could never
get rid of some crossover distortion. So I bet your PC amp sounds better.
>BINGO is sounds beautiful and only drawing 75 MA at low volume.(both
I have the German service data, and it says to adjust that trim pot to draw QQQ
mA at no volume. I'll look up QQQ, but I'd bet it's over 75 mA, so you're
probably ahead there too.
>At this point I did a disassembly cleaned everything (3hrs)and lubed what
>was necessary internally.
You're lucky if you didn't have to hose down the pushbutton assembly with
Deox-It. My buttons are just about totally inoperative, and I nned to take
this set apart again.
>Externally I couldn't believe what this radio looks like after cleanup, (it
>had been hidden in a boiler room for 17 years)the padded vinyl is still soft
Yep, my vinyl is still soft too. Needs a cleanup just like yours, though I
never kept it in a bad place.
>Looks brand new except some slight dents in speaker grill, going to give a
>good listen tonight out on the dock.
You'll find the main SW tuner (general coverage) is pretty hot, though the
tuning is a bit stiff and springy due to the high-tension dial cords (pray they
never break). This has a 3-gang tuning capacitor, probably the only time a
German ever saw one :-) You'll need that little Fine Tube tweaker knob. The
FM is pretty decent too, though only a 2-gang tuner.
The Trans-Oceanic style turret SW tuner feels great to operate, but is only a
2-gang tuner (no RF stage), so isn't as sensitive as the main section, and
images of utility stations mess up much of the SW BC stations.
>Going to research the old audio module in my spare time, while I enjoy my new
>toy.
I hope I can dig up some info on that audio section from my docs. It's very
conventional, transformer drive and output, The output trannies are already
heat-sinked to the aluminum case of the brick, and probably NPN, but you can
still get replacements in the "tab" form. It's a great radio, and now you've
inspired me to get cracking on fixing mine up.
If you've already got the Holy Grail cup, you might like for the BFO Module
that optionally mounts in the back of the radio. Best wishes, Mike K.
Life is a game. Play to enjoy!
Joe
brick
>What a can of worms
>This is an outrage..... utter sacrilege !
>You put Japanese parts in a rare classic Grundig,
ROTFL! Are you sure you have that right Karl?
WHAT.... I opened a can of Japanese parts
and put worms in the radio? Glow worms perhaps...yes ?
>You put Japanese parts in a rare classic Grundig,
I used Israeli parts and a Polish transistor and Italian spagetti tubing :-)
You can help me restore the honor of the Vaterland by sending me
the Aryan replacement transistors for the Brick (audio amp module).
They must be some hidden in a cave in Berchtesgaden somewhere :-)
>you should face a firing squad.
Take it easy, no need to call the doctor to administer blood pressure
medication and Valium
>I will go throw up my dinner now !
Sorry to hear you are that ill over this, I will send you a photo...the
radio's OK
The radios audio is much cleaner than the failed "Brick" ever was
with the replacement wideband 2 watt audio IC amplifier board.
, Joe
Karl wrote in message ...
>What a can of worms here !!
>This is an outrage..... utter sacrilege !
>You put Japanese parts in a rare classic Grundig, you should face a firing
squad and be shot slowly.
>I will go throw up my dinner now !
Karl
Joe wrote in message ...
>Thanks everyone !
>It turns out its a Satellite 205 Transistor 5000 (short-wave version) with
>the 2nd turret-tuner
>After trying everything I have confirmed the audio amp board was shot (it
>was just about a dead short on the batteries it also got red hot.)
>I went to the PC Micro center and found a cracked Altec amplified PC
speaker
>for $5 and removed the PC board.
>
>Mounted tied in post from the tone controls (negitive ground and B-) and
>BINGO is sounds beautiful and only drawing 75 MA at low volume.(both
>speakers are OK, nor dry rotted)
>At this point I did a disassembly cleaned everything (3hrs)and lubed what
>was necessary internally.
>Externally I couldn't believe what this radio looks like after cleanup, (it
>had been hidden in a boiler room for 17 years)the padded vinyl is still
soft
>!
>Looks brand new except some slight dents in speaker grill, going to give a
>good listen tonight out on the dock.
>Going to research the old audio module in my spare time, wile I enjoy my
new
>toy.
>
>>"Peter Maus" <Pete...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>>news:3B23A324...@worldnet.att.net...
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill Meacham wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Joe wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > I have a Grundig Satellite 6000, the audio output transistors are
>drawing
>>> > > excessive current.
>>> > > They have strange numbers and colors on them.
>>> > > My Grandfather was hard of hearing had played it to loud and burned
>up the
>>> > > audio outputs.
>>> > > Does anyone know about and schematics or cross references for this ?
>>> > >
>>> > > Joe
>>> >
>>> > Joe, I can't speak for this particular radio, but with a Zenith TO3000
>>> > for example, you really have to watch the voltage that you're feeding
>it
>>> > with. Many folks logically use a 12 volt wall-wart since its a 12
volt
>>> > radio. But, it doesn't load down the wart enough and you wind up with
>>> > 15 or 16 volts hitting it. There's no additional internal voltage
>>> > regulation.
>>> > In the case of that radio, the output transistors will run very
>>> > hot...and eventually self-destruct. The obvious cure is to use a
>smaller
>>> > wall wart, 9v for example, or a regulated one....or batteries.
>>>
>>> Cheap insurance is a pair of heatsinks..the kind that press on to
>>> the finals.
>>>
>>> For the Grundig, get all the numbers off of each transistor, and
>>> see if you can find a real electronics supply store. One that's been
>>> around for awhile, staffed by a bunch of over 50 guys who remember
>>> using jars of 20 Mule Team Borax solution as rectfiers for their
>>> radio sets when they were kids.
>>>
>>> Show them those numbers and they may be able to come across a
>>> decent substitute. Most likely a Phillips/ECG.
>>>
>>> Failing that, you might want to try to find a Grundig/Telefunken
>>> service shop. There are a few around and they import their own stock
>>> of European parts. These shops are tough to find, but they do
>>> exist. You just have to look for them.
>>>
>>> You might also be able to write to Grundig and ask them. Not
>>> Lextronix, the North American Distributor for Grundig, and the
>>> company that goes by the Grundig name in North America, but Grundig
>>> of Germany.
>>>
>>> http://www.grundig.de
>>>
>>> There's contact information here, much of it in German, but there
>>> are a few English pages.
>>>
>>> Try also some of the fine Satellit Collectors pages. These guys
>>> have a wealth of information about thse rigs. One such:
>>>
>>> http://home.telia.no./~Satellit
>>>
>>>
>>> There are others.
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >