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Kenwood R-5000 vs. Icom IC-R75?

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Bruce Jensen

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May 8, 2001, 5:30:34 PM5/8/01
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Hi, all - anyone here had a chance to compare these two receivers? Apart
from
the audio DSP capability on the R75, they seem about evenly matched as to
features and potential performance (especially in view of the quality of the
unmodified Synch Det on the R75), and I wonder if anyone has any opinions as
to the quality of reception afforded by one as opposed to the other...?
Scanning and memory is not an important feature to me.

Many thanks,
Bruce Jensen

Best regards,
Bruce Jensen

Bill Crocker

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May 8, 2001, 5:44:34 PM5/8/01
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With all due respect to Kenwood, and especially the R-5000 receiver, truth
of the matter is, it's a very old design. Even if you can find one in good
cosmetic condition, chances are it will require some attention. Aging
capacitors, solder joints going bad, etc. It has been discontinued for
quite sometime, and yet will command a premium in price, primarily because
in it's day, it was state-of-the-art!

I would consider the ICOM IC-R75, or the Palstar R30! Some might also
suggest the Drake R8, R8A, or R8B. While the Drake certainly performs well,
it looks like it would be more at home with some stereo equipment, or
entertainment center, rather than in the communications shack.

Bill Crocker


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Brian Denley

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May 8, 2001, 10:32:52 PM5/8/01
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I use my R-5000 under computer control with Fineware's great software. I
have several other high end receivers but the Kenwood is clearly my best DX
radio. It has 5 Hz tuning, passband tuning, two NBs, a notch filter, 2
switchable antennas, clocks, timers, etc. It is a very stable receiver so
ECSS works well.

The Icom is also a fine receiver. Too bad about that sync detector.

I would say that the decision might be based on how the R-5000 is
configured: what filters? Are the IC-10 chips installed? Does it have the
VHF converter, etc.

--
Brian Denley
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FAugustine

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May 8, 2001, 10:43:11 PM5/8/01
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Have Kenwood R5000, Drake R8A, Palstar R30, Lowe HF225 Europa, and others.
Ordered Icom R-75 from Universal Radio.with DSP option. Lousy audio and hum
pickup from poorly designed "Wall-Wart" ac power supply. OK for SSB but very
unpleasant for SWL listening. Sent it back.

Disagree totally with earlier message on R5000 and "age" problems. Many old
receivers still perform beautifully. Drakes, Collins, AND Kenwood. Controls are
quirky and keypad layout is strange, but IMHO and in spite of its quirks is
better than R-75. Palstar is the big (pleasant) surprise. This rig rocks! It is
a superb radio, but it just looks sooooo plain compared to the rice-radios.

Dave

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May 9, 2001, 11:41:13 AM5/9/01
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Please explain your reason for the slam below.

On Tue, 08 May 2001 21:44:34 GMT, "Bill Crocker" <bcro...@home.com>
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Bruce Jensen

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May 9, 2001, 11:57:10 AM5/9/01
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>===== Original Message From faugu...@aol.com (FAugustine) =====

Thank you, gentlemen. As usual, it seems all radios will have their
champions
and detractors. The more I look, the more I come back to the R8-series as
the
best all-around receiver *for me*, but these two still seem to be possible
contenders. I appreciate your help!

Best regards,
Bruce Jensen

Michael Moore

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May 9, 2001, 1:44:39 PM5/9/01
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FAugustine wrote:
>
> Have Kenwood R5000, Drake R8A, Palstar R30, Lowe HF225 Europa, and others.
> Ordered Icom R-75 from Universal Radio.with DSP option. Lousy audio and hum
> pickup from poorly designed "Wall-Wart" ac power supply. OK for SSB but very
> unpleasant for SWL listening. Sent it back.


You must have received a defective Icom wall-wart. I have two of these
and have no pickup from the wall-wart. The unpleasant AM sound can be
fixed.

--
Michael Moore

Bill Crocker

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May 9, 2001, 8:34:04 PM5/9/01
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It's not a "slam", it's just a matter of opinion. It has the look of some
home entertainment equipment, i.e.; component stereos, etc.

Bill Crocker


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Skeptic

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May 9, 2001, 8:58:37 PM5/9/01
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On Thu, 10 May 2001 00:34:04 GMT, "Bill Crocker" <bcro...@home.com> wrote:

>It has the look of some
>home entertainment equipment, i.e.; component stereos, etc.

Ever take a gander at a McKay-Dymeck DR33? I have one of these, I think they
*really* have the look of a home stereo component. In fact, mine is set up with
some Marantz discretes (preamp, tuner, amp) and looks pretty nifty there, IMHO.

:-)

-Sk


Ross Archer

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May 9, 2001, 10:55:20 PM5/9/01
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Dave wrote:

> Please explain your reason for the slam below.

The Drake R8 looks, to my eyes at least, more like a piece of
consumer electronics than a ham rig or pro communications
receiver. The paradigm of a rectangular metal box, with
open cooling vents on top, the vaccum florescent display, and IEC AC
power plug in back fairly screams "stereo receiver"
to me. Whereas most ham rigs and pro comms. receivers I've
seen are LCD-based (some color LCD-based), and run from
12 volts only and with no on-board AC supply. Also, the better
pro gear has a much more pro looking tuning knob than the R8.
By these criteria,
I can see what the poster might have meant.

But looks aren't everything. The R8(B)'s a pleasure to use, sounds
terrific,
especially with IF shift and sync. used to maximum advantage,
digs out weak signals well, and overall is pretty hard to fault
in any important regard other than being a bit on the common-looking
side.

I guess it depends on whether you want an impressive looking radio
or an impressive performing radio. :)

-- Ross

Mark S. Holden

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May 9, 2001, 11:27:32 PM5/9/01
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Ross Archer wrote:

>
> The Drake R8 looks, to my eyes at least, more like a piece of
> consumer electronics than a ham rig or pro communications
> receiver. The paradigm of a rectangular metal box, with
> open cooling vents on top, the vaccum florescent display, and IEC AC
> power plug in back fairly screams "stereo receiver"
> to me. Whereas most ham rigs and pro comms. receivers I've
> seen are LCD-based (some color LCD-based), and run from
> 12 volts only and with no on-board AC supply. Also, the better
> pro gear has a much more pro looking tuning knob than the R8.
> By these criteria,
> I can see what the poster might have meant.
>
> But looks aren't everything. The R8(B)'s a pleasure to use, sounds
> terrific,
> especially with IF shift and sync. used to maximum advantage,
> digs out weak signals well, and overall is pretty hard to fault
> in any important regard other than being a bit on the common-looking
> side.
>
> I guess it depends on whether you want an impressive looking radio
> or an impressive performing radio. :)
>
> -- Ross
>

While the consumer audio appearance of the R8 makes it look less
intimidating in a room dedicated to radio, it also makes it look more at
home in a typical living room, den or bedroom.

Michael Moore

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May 10, 2001, 12:08:31 AM5/10/01
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Bill Crocker wrote:
>
> It's not a "slam", it's just a matter of opinion. It has the look of some
> home entertainment equipment, i.e.; component stereos, etc.

And it has the buttons and tuning knob of low-end stereo
components.

Dave

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May 10, 2001, 12:40:40 PM5/10/01
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To me, the ICOM has a more "Buck Rogers" look, to be sure. The Drake,
while admittedly having less than "pro" tactile feedback (who cares, I
use a computer to run it?), the layout is very professional-grade
like. My home-theater gear has very few buttons and rounded corners.
95% of the pro gear at work uses blue vacuum fluorescent dispalys.

On Thu, 10 May 2001 00:34:04 GMT, "Bill Crocker" <bcro...@home.com>

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